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Chris Ahmelman, a Queenslander working as a contractor in Iraq, has been murdered in a roadside attack. Also killed were James Hunt, from Kentucky, and Stefan Surette, from Nova Scotia.

In other attacks on workers rebuilding Iraq, six Americans, three Bulgarians and two Filipinos died when their Bulgarian Mi-8 helicopter was shot down, and an employee of the British defence services company Aegis was killed by a roadside bomb.

The ghouls at Daily Kos think this is all just dandy.

Posted by Tim B. on 04/21/2005 at 08:25 PM
    1. The ghouls at Daily Kos think this is all just dandy.

      Screw them.

      Posted by jic on 04/21 at 08:32 PM • #

 

    1. Death is now the only thing that lifts the spirits of the left. Yes, they’re ghouls but the bright news is they’re now finished as a moral/intellectual force. They have Islamism, Michael Schiavo and maybe France. Heh.

      Posted by C.L. on 04/21 at 08:55 PM • #

 

    1. Geezuz! That “Militarytracy” chick is a psycho!

      Posted by cal on 04/21 at 09:01 PM • #

 

    1. It’s pretty easy for the bedwetting types that hang out in Kos’ Playpen to parrot whatever paranoid conspiracy theories the LLL is pandering from the comfort of their college dorms.

      Unfortunately, at some point some of them will be shoved into the real world, where reality will take hold and show them that callous disregard for human life is only a trivial matter from a safe distance.

      Posted by Nash Kato on 04/21 at 09:04 PM • #

 

    1. I my opinion you are being hypocritical Mr. Blair.

      You have now featured several jocular posts regarding the death of young American activist, Rachael Corrie.  In these posts you and your commentators openly ridicule and laugh at her death.  Why?  Because your opinions differ from hers.

      For the record, I think that NO death should be ridiculed, regardless of which side they represent.

      Posted by mushtaq_omar on 04/21 at 10:26 PM • #

 

    1. Mushtaq Omar

      Get real. Tim never mocked Rachel Corrie’s death, but mocking those who would say that her death, which occurred in the course of committing a crime, was somehow a noble thing.

      In contrast those who have been killed in Iraq were all seeking to help the Iraqis rebuild their country and were murdered by cowardly criminals.

      Posted by Toryhere2 on 04/21 at 10:47 PM • #

 

    1. I my opinion you are being hypocritical Mr. Blair

      Why?  Rachel Corrie was an filthy anti-semite and conspirator to genocide and murder, whereas the contractors were performing a noble task.  Are you unable to tell the difference?

      For the record, I think that NO death should be ridiculed, regardless of which side they represent

      bollocks

      Posted by murph on 04/21 at 11:03 PM • #

 

    1. Murph, You have no credibility, so please don’t bore me with your pitiful diatribes.  You are a disease, and I will no longer respond to your comments.

      Tory,

      Tim gleefully linked to LGF’s “st pancake day” I suppose that is meant as a compliment?

      Posted by mushtaq_omar on 04/21 at 11:12 PM • #

 

    1. Rachel Corrie was working for a cause whose end result would be the destruction of Israel and the second Genocide of the Jews. The people murdered in Iraq were working to rebuild Irag. Spot the difference?

      Posted by Susan Norton on 04/21 at 11:15 PM • #

 

    1. Mushtaq, I think you missed the ruefulness in Tim’s posts, comments, and tone. Corrie died unnecessarily through an act of very great personal stupidity – a Darwin Award.

      She did so while actively supporting a terrorist organisation by word and deed. Nobody wanted her to die, and she essentially killed herself. Anyone close to heavy machinery knows to stay in direct line of sight of the driver. If you cannot see him, he cannot see you. She was a supposed Christian, working with Muslims desirous of the death of Jews.

      Her death was an object lesson in individual stupidity proving fatal. It has not IMHO been celebrated here, but there has been some gallows humour related to the stupidity of her actions.

      Descend into the cesspit of Kos. They are actively celebrating the murder, by terrorists, of civilians – all Christians, I believe – actively working to ameliorate the damage inflicted on Arab Muslim Iraqi society by 30 years of living under an Arab Muslim National Socialist fascist dictatorship. And they are calling for the murderers to murder more such civilians. They truly are celebrating the death of these people as a wonderful thing.

      There is a huge difference in style, tone, and intent.

      MarkL
      Canberra

      Posted by MarkL on 04/21 at 11:39 PM • #

 

    1. For the record, I think that NO death should be ridiculed, regardless of which side they represent.

      What about Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Pol Pot, Josef Mengele, Saddam Hussein, Adolf Eichmann, Charles Manson, Idi Amin, Jeffrey Dahmer, Benito Mussolini, Ayatollah Khomeini, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Vlad the Impaler, Timothy McVeigh, Slobodan Milosevic, Mommar Khadafy, and Jack the Ripper?

      Posted by david on 04/22 at 12:16 AM • #

 

    1. Get fucked Mushy

      Posted by murph on 04/22 at 12:27 AM • #

 

    1. MO

      Thanks for calling me a disease.  I would assume if I had called you something similar I would have been accused of being racist or something.  Not that you seem to know the either true meaning nor the seriousness of the term.

      Anyhow, I’m not going to call you racist – you’re simply a dickhead.  Go do something useful like lie in front of an IDF bulldozer.

      Love

      Murph

      Posted by murph on 04/22 at 12:40 AM • #

 

    1. Mushtaq, I’m with MarkL on this one.  You can mourn the loss of human life, and should not mock that loss, but you can mock and degrade the reason for which they died.

      Just as one can respect and even praise the reasons for which a person died, while still mourning the loss.

      The litmus test here is which side you are dancing on.  The Kos Kids are figuratively spitting on the Blackwater dead, who are helping to rebuild Iraq.  Yes, for a price, but what value is money in the grave?  They knew that, and weren’t there just for the money.  And they were helping people, not killing them.

      Rachel Corrie, as a “political activisit”, enthusisastically supported a known terrorist group who are killing people in vicious, cowardly attacks.  And got herself killed in a very stupid fashion.

      I know which side I stand on.  And it ain’t with those fools at Kos’s cesspool.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 04/22 at 12:42 AM • #

 

    1. I’ve heard that they themselves were unarmed when they were attacked. My question: Why the hell didn’t these security personnel have their own weapons? They would have been useless at protecting anybody in any situation. I hope the message to other civillian security personnel gets around – Get a bloody gun! At least have a chance at defending yourselves. Poor buggers didn’t have half a chance.

      Posted by Jaked on 04/22 at 12:48 AM • #

 

    1. But if anyone causes one of these little ones who trusts in me to lose faith, it would be better for that person to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around the neck. (Matthew 18:6-7).

      Rachel Corrie.

      Posted by C.L. on 04/22 at 01:00 AM • #

 

    1. CL, such love and tolerance in that passage, don’t you agree?

      Posted by mushtaq_omar on 04/22 at 01:47 AM • #

 

    1. Believers… put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. (The Imrans 3:149)

      Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. (Repentance 9:123)

      We can do this all day long, mushtaq_omar…

      Posted by david on 04/22 at 02:22 AM • #

 

    1. Though on the “left” I find some of the Daily Kos submissions and subsequent comments a little extreme.

      Having said that, I cannot understand why Tim Blair chose to link to an LGF article that criticised the Kos, rather than linking straight to the Kos himself.

      LGF use the comment:

      They aren’t “civilians�? (4.00 / 8)

      as an attack on the site, however, the full comment was.

      …I hope Kos nor anyone else does the “f-k them” statement this time.

      That said, though this was a commercial helicopter, these Blackwater types are not “civilian” casualties in my mind.

      An enormous difference in my opinion, and a gross misrepresentation of what was actually written.

      Many of the Kos comments that followed, far from rejoicing in death, appeared to be more critical of mercenaries and their motives for being there in the first place.

      There was an overriding theme that mercenaries actually increased the risk of injury or death to American/coalition soldiers.

      I’ve noticed that there may be some military people who contribute to this site.  I’d be interested in hearing their opinions about mercenaries, their role in war, and whether they believe that their presence increases the risk for military personal.

      Posted by Alex J on 04/22 at 02:29 AM • #

 

    1. “For the record, I think that NO death should be ridiculed, regardless of which side they represent.”

      You probably think such an attitude makes you high, and noble.

      It doesn’t. Your so-called relativism merely spits in the face of people who sacrifice their lives for freedom and justice, while giving a free pass to those who would enslave, and murder.

      Posted by Sheriff on 04/22 at 02:35 AM • #

 

    1. sheriff.  Your attitude is frightening and barbaric.

      However, is a small insight into fundamentalism, which decrees that some lives are more important than others.  Dangerous, but predictable.

      Posted by mushtaq_omar on 04/22 at 02:46 AM • #

 

    1. However, is a small insight into fundamentalism, which decrees that some lives are more important than others.  Dangerous, but predictable.

      Have you even read the Koran?

      Posted by david on 04/22 at 03:13 AM • #

 

    1. sheriff.  Your attitude is frightening and barbaric…a small insight into fundamentalism, which decrees that some lives are more important than others…

      Wrong, Mushtaq.  Simply wrong.  Sheriff does not make that judgement.  He points out—correctly!—that your attitude supports terrorism by failing to condemn those who support it.  You do this by assuming the moral high ground over the common attitude on this blog towards Corries’ worthless and stupid death, under the guise of, “People, she doesn’t deserve such disrepect as a human being!”

      What you fail to grasp (or possibly deny as a valid perception) is that many of us here do mourn her loss as a human being, because of the potential wasted through her blindly supporting terrorism, and dying in such a stupid fashion.  I, for one, mock her purpose in life, not her life itself.

      “Relativism” may be a dirty word in your vocabularly, but you reek of it.  I don’t expect you to get teary over these latest tragic deaths at the hands of the insurgents, but it would be nice if you displayed a little respect for them by not changing the subject of this thread.

      Nice, Mushtaq, very nice.  Your assuming that you hold the moral high ground is in error.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 04/22 at 03:22 AM • #

 

    1. C.L., re #16:  Highly appropriate.  Thank you.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 04/22 at 03:24 AM • #

 

    1. a small insight into fundamentalism, which decrees that some lives are more important than others

      I would like to see an end to the use of the word “fundamentalism” unless, at the very least, it is qualified by some other word that lets the reader know which particular sort of fundamentalism the writer has in mind.  Used by itself the word has become little more than an insult.  Those who use it reveal more about their own sense of superiority than about the shortcomings of those against whom they’ve cast the slur.

      Posted by Janice on 04/22 at 04:04 AM • #

 

    1. There was an overriding theme that mercenaries actually increased the risk of injury or death to American/coalition soldiers.

      What is the basis of this “theme”?
      (I doubt that many non-moonbats think its anything other than part of the ongoing desperation to justify Kos’s widely reviled and damaging “screw them” comments, but I’d love to know how they are trying to back-up this “theme”)

      Posted by Michael42 on 04/22 at 04:16 AM • #

 

    1. Before I am distracted again…..

      My condolences to the family of Chris Ahmelman, and to the families of the other victims of the insurgents as well.  Those people died trying to do a good thing.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 04/22 at 04:49 AM • #

 

    1. NO death should be ridiculed, regardless of which side they represent.
      Great. see this article:
      (link below for some reason does not work but the story is at either Yahoo or LGF.)

      The video begins with an unseen cameraman breathing heavily and running with the camera toward burning wreckage. Two bodies are visible, one of them severely charred, nearly all its clothes burned away.

      “Look at that filth,�? someone says in Arabic at the sight of the body. There are brief glimpses of a man carrying an assault rifle along with the cameraman.

      The scene moves to tall grass, where a man with thinning, gray hair and wearing a blue flight suit is lying on his back, the right side of his head bloody.

      “Stand up! Stand up!�? the cameraman shouts to him in English.

      “I can’t, it’s broken. Give me a hand,�? the survivor says in accented English, raising his hands for help. “Give me your hand,�? he repeats.

      It appears the militants help pull him to his feet. “Weapons?�? the gunmen shout at him in Arabic.

      The cameraman tells the crewman, whose face is visible, to step back.“Go! Go!�? he shouts.

      The survivor then tries to walk, limping with his back to the insurgents, who then say something to him that makes him turn around. He raises his hands to somebody off camera as if gesturing to them to stop what they are about to do.

      The militants open fire, continuing to shoot him after he fell to the ground as someone shouts “Allahu Akbar.�?
      http://beta.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050422/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_helicopter_killing

      Posted by blogstrop on 04/22 at 04:50 AM • #

 

    1. Jeff’s, nice try, but your rhetoric is NEVER going to work with me.

      We’re never going to agree, and I’m sick of being accused of things that I am not.

      I’ve continually stated my abhorrence for death and violence, but apparently I support terrorism because I don’t denounce it.  How do you work that one out Jeffs??  Are words not enough for you?

      Finally I would just like to remind you Jeffs, that you are the guy with the gun.  You are an apologist for all that I despise, and I am deeply sorry for you.

      Having said that, I appreciate that you and a couple of others have engaged me in civil discussion.  Something that is extremely rare on this site.

      Over and out…Bye

      Posted by mushtaq_omar on 04/22 at 04:56 AM • #

 

    1. Speaking of apologists:
      Markos Moulitsas Zuniga of Daily Kos has done his best to make it hard to find the comment he posted on April 1, 2004, about the Americans who were torn apart and hung from a bridge in Fallujah. He erased it from the Google cache and the Internet Archive, and redirects the “permalink�? on the page to an unrelated page at his site, but I managed to find a URL that still works—until the Daily Koward notices our referrals: Daily Kos: Corpses on the Cover.

      Every death should be on the front page (2.70 / 40)

      Let the people see what war is like. This isn’t an Xbox game. There are real repercussions to Bush’s folly.

      That said, I feel nothing over the death of merceneries [sic]. They aren’t in Iraq because of orders, or because they are there trying to help the people make Iraq a better place. They are there to wage war for profit. Screw them.

      by kos on Thu Apr 1st, 2004 at 12:08:56 PDT

      UPDATE at 4/21/05 10:06:04 pm:

      To see Kos’s back-room machinations at work, click the date next to his name at the bottom of the post, which is supposed to be the permalink to his comment, and see where you end up.

      06:33 PM PDT | link: 80 comments | link only
      last comment: Rancher 12:01:07 am 4/22/05
      email this article

      (from LGF)

      Posted by blogstrop on 04/22 at 04:59 AM • #

 

    1. Sorry, back again,

      Janice, your comprehension skills require some revision.

      The sentence that you quote contains the underlying definition of fundamentalism.  Read it again, this time slowly.  Remember read as a means to understand, not as a means to respond.

      Posted by mushtaq_omar on 04/22 at 05:03 AM • #

 

    1. …mercenaries, their role in war…

      Here is a discussion on mercenaries.  It’s fairly decent, in fact.  It answers your question about their role in war.

      The article also includes the definition of mercenary within the Geneva Convention.  Here’s the money quote:

      The legal status of civilian contractors depends upon the nature of their work and their nationality in respect of the combatants. But if they have not in fact, taken a direct part in the hostilities (APGC77 Art 47.b) they are not mercenaries and are entitled to the protection of the Geneva Conventions.

      The next paragraph is equally interesting, and it starts with:

      The situation during the Occupation of Iraq 2003 – ?? shows how difficult it is to define what a mercenary is.

      Read the whole thing.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 04/22 at 05:04 AM • #

 

    1. Blogstrop, the attitude of the terrorists depicted in the article is frightening and barbaric.

      However, is a small insight into fundamentalism, which decrees that some lives are more important than others.  Dangerous, but predictable.

      Posted by david on 04/22 at 05:08 AM • #

 

    1. Too bad, Mushtaq Omar.

      All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

      Edmund Burke (1729 – 1797)

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 04/22 at 05:09 AM • #

 

    1. Damn, can’t stay away!

      Just had to thank david.

      I don’t know if you realised it, but you made my point beautifully.  The knife cuts both ways.  I hope that you will come to understand that.

      Take care all,
      M

      Posted by mushtaq_omar on 04/22 at 05:16 AM • #

 

    1. As for Mercenaries, remember A E Housman’s epitaph for them:

      Their shoulders held the sky suspended.
      They stood, and Earth’s foundations stay.
      What God abandoned, these defended,
      And saved the sum of things for pay.

      Posted by Susan Norton on 04/22 at 05:21 AM • #

 

    1. How about this death:
      Man Accused of Blasphemy Shot Dead
      ISLAMABAD (Reuters) – A Pakistani man accused of desecrating the Koran was shot dead Wednesday after being chased by an angry crowd.

      Ashiq Nabi, in his thirties, was accused of being disrespectful to Islam’s holy book and had been in hiding since Monday, a senior police official said.
      “Today, a mob spotted him and shot him dead,” said Mazahar ul Haq, police chief of Nowshera town, about 100 km (62 miles) west of the capital, Islamabad.
      Blasphemy, including desecrating the Koran, is a capital offence in deeply Islamic Pakistan and carries the death sentence, but convictions have always been turned down by high courts because of a lack of evidence.
      Witnesses said the man was chased through fields and climbed a tree to get away from an angry crowd of up to 500 men. When he refused to come down, someone shot him dead, they said.
      Human rights activists want the blasphemy law to be struck off the books saying it is often abused by people to settle personal disputes or religious rivalry.

      From Reuters/Yahoo

      Posted by blogstrop on 04/22 at 05:22 AM • #

 

    1. The knife cuts both ways.

      Yeah, because the news is just full of Christians blowing innocent civilians out of the sky, shouting “God is great!”

      That’s sarcasm, by the way. (Use the 2nd definition.)

      Posted by david on 04/22 at 05:33 AM • #

 

    1. All right, that’s it. Mushtaq-omar, whatever your real name is, your remarks starting here have gotten you banned from this website. I allowed you to post here even though all your comments pretty much consisted of you telling us what moral inferiors we are here compared with your own wonderful self because you were generally polite, but I see that like other trolls you got too comfortable here.

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 04/22 at 06:06 AM • #

 

    1. OK, as an ex-military man, I’ll bite, Alex J

      “That said, though this was a commercial helicopter, these Blackwater types are not “civilian�? casualties in my mind. “
      COMMENT: You are wrong. They were civilians under the Laws of Armed Conflict.

      An enormous difference in my opinion, and a gross misrepresentation of what was actually written.
      COMMENT: See above. These were civilian contractors in an unarmed civil aircraft.

      Many of the Kos comments that followed, far from rejoicing in death, appeared to be more critical of mercenaries and their motives for being there in the first place.
      COMMENT: The game is obvious. Incorrectly define them as mercenaries, then rejoice at their deaths. THis allows a coward and a poltroon to disguise the depth of his viciousness. But that is all that it is. These were civilians.

      There was an overriding theme that mercenaries actually increased the risk of injury or death to American/coalition soldiers.
      COMMENT: How? The ability for properly trained military personnel to perform civil development functions was removed by the US, UK and Australian governments during the 1990s to save money, so it could be spent on welfare and the civilian economy. Mostly, but only just so, these governments were not conservative ones (they did not object, though). Remember the “peace dividend” shouted to the skies by the left in teh early 1990s? So there is now no choice (mark those words no choice) but to use civilian contract personnel

      “I’ve noticed that there may be some military people who contribute to this site.  I’d be interested in hearing their opinions about mercenaries, their role in war, and whether they believe that their presence increases the risk for military personal.”
      COMMENT: OK. You’re on.
      1. Mercenary troops are forbidden under LOAC. We do not use them. Period.
      2. Civilian contract personnel are just that. Civilians. The UN agrees.
      2. There are no mercenary troops in Iraq on our side. Period.
      3. Mercenaries have a long and mostly honourable role in war, and act to civilise it and reduce casualties in most circumstances where the respective social structures stay intact. However, they act just like a defeated army in retreat when things collapse (see the broken-backed phase of teh 30 years war, see the worst excesses of the Spanish Campaign of the Napoleonic War) Mercenary formations have been very rare in ANY army since about 1700. What are called mercenaries now (’Mad Mike’ Hoare’s 5th Commando in the Congo, for example) were useful only within a small range of tasks, and never had enough combat power (numbers x training x firepower) to do much beyond a narrowly specialised role.

      Alex, you have labelled civil contract personnel with an emotive name, to try and excuse their murder and score the cheapest of points.

      I watched an injured civilian survivor of a mass murder be caught and then murdered in cold blood tonight. They shouted ‘God is Great’ as they murdered him. They are barbarians, and they deserve to die.

      He was not a military man.
      He was not a mercenary.
      He was a civilian, like you.
      He was murdered.
      He will be avenged.

      I’d give my right knacker to get a stint in Iraq, just to have the chance to get some of the murderers in the crosshairs.

      THAT is my professional opinion, and is shared by those of my comrades still in uniform. They are angry about this, right now.

      You do not have a clue about the real world, do you?

      MarkL
      Canberra

      Posted by MarkL on 04/22 at 06:33 AM • #

 

    1. And take your mate NWAB (Not Worth Answering Back) with you.

      Posted by blogstrop on 04/22 at 06:34 AM • #

 

    1. MarkL!  Well said!  Certainly better than I did.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 04/22 at 06:38 AM • #

 

    1. Mark L,

      You misunderstood.  I was asking a question in response to an article in the Kos.  They used the word mercenary, and suggested such people increased the risk of injury to the military.

      Your post clearly points out to me that this term was being used incorrectly.  Thanks.

      I didn’t mean offence, and certainly wasn’t excusing deaths.

      Posted by Alex J on 04/22 at 07:01 AM • #

 

    1. Mark—very well put.

      Posted by Rob Crawford on 04/22 at 07:06 AM • #

 

    1. Blogstrop, I didn’t say anything. In fact I agree with TRJ. Again.

      Posted by nwab on 04/22 at 08:09 AM • #

 

    1. I’ve continually stated my abhorrence for death and violence, but apparently I support terrorism because I don’t denounce it.

      Dang.  Got here too late.  I wanted to ask Mushtaq why he couldn’t see the contradiction here.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 04/22 at 09:30 AM • #

 

    1. Finally I would just like to remind you Jeffs, that you are the guy with the gun.  You are an apologist for all that I despise, and I am deeply sorry for you.

      In the end, we finally got established that mushtaq was really just a moronic peacenik who hates U.S. soldiers and what they do. I don’t remember any such emphatic statements that he “despises” terrorist acts, just lots of mealy-mouthed talk about the abhorrence of killing in general.

      All in all, good riddence.

      Posted by PW on 04/22 at 11:35 AM • #

 

    1. And Mushtaq got it wrong again, as well, PW.  In a manner of speaking, I’m the other guy with the gun weapon.  The one he doesn’t have to worry about, whether he knows it or not.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 04/22 at 11:59 AM • #

 

    1. but apparently I support terrorism because I don’t denounce it.

      Mustaf, you don’t denounce terrorism?  The car bombings of Iraqis shopping for groceries in open air markets?  The blowing up of innocents in pizza parlors?  The little kids hanging out of school bus windows?  The car bombing of Shiite mosques?

      I do read your comments and try to understand your point of view.  But that threw me for a loop.

      You might very well be a good and sensible person.  In truth, that line is very hard to justify.

      Posted by wronwright on 04/22 at 12:36 PM • #

 

    1. Well, I don’t know.  Deaths are serious if you’re family, and the material of entertainment if you’re not.  Entertainment doesn’t mean “made happy,’’ but just interested enough to stay tuned.

      Since mostly deaths are not family, there being 6 billion people and over 100,000 deaths on any given day, mostly they’re potential entertainment.

      In the Kos case, it’s just a measure of how much they hate Bush, and not much of a measure of their humanity, or whatever moral attribute is entertainingly being denied them here.

      _Of course_ people you are having a moral argument with are morally incompetent.  That’s the result of moral argument in general.

      The question would be what hatred of Bush trumps, in the mind of Kos.

      I mean, you can see the other side and their point of view, but not why you might take it.

      Chimp BusHitler doesn’t quite do it for me, and Bush has made some strikingly good foreign policy choices since 9/11

      Posted by rhhardin on 04/22 at 12:37 PM • #

 

    1. MarkL-

      Damn well said. May I buy you a beer?

      Posted by nofixedabode on 04/22 at 01:11 PM • #

 

    1. What you fail to grasp (or possibly deny as a valid perception) is that many of us here do mourn her loss as a human being, because of the potential wasted through her blindly supporting terrorism, and dying in such a stupid fashion.

      Getting here a bit late, but ‘amen.’

      Pity MO got booted.  He really needed an education in why ‘civilians should not be attacked’ is not the same as ‘some lives are worth more than others.’ Not that it would’ve gotten through, but the discussion would’ve been enlightening.

      Posted by Achillea on 04/22 at 01:12 PM • #

 

    1. When I heard about what happened in Iraq with the downing of the helicopter and the execution of the civlian I actually thought of Kos.

      I thought well that idiot and the vermin who populate his site will get off on this. /cream their jeans as we used to say.

      The people who did this are the same guys who kill Shia civilians and blow up little kids and in general make life difficult for the Iraqis that the Left professes such concern for.

      Recently the Catholics lost and gained a Pope. The world watched. There was tradition and pomp and grief and joy.

      Then comes along deranged madmen screaming God is great in Arabic while the kill a civilian. Once upon a time I respected Islam as a religion. I have to say that is getting more difficult with every film of crazy people dancing in manic ghoulish glee around some dead man’s body.

      Posted by terryelee on 04/22 at 05:06 PM • #

 

    1. Andrea, mushtaq_omar joined Ozipilotsonline on the 18-03-2005 and hasn’t posted once on there forum.

      Was this the same day he started posting on this site?

      Posted by Gary on 04/22 at 06:22 PM • #

 

    1. Gary:

      Linkage

      Posted by david on 04/22 at 06:36 PM • #

 

    1. Yo, Terry Hall & Mushtaq Omar – They Gotta Quit Kicking My Dog Around

      Thats “They Gotta Quit Kicking My LoadeDog Around”

      Posted by rog2 on 04/22 at 06:56 PM • #

 

    1. Thanks david, I see no indication of practical/personal knowledge of the Middle East or Islam in his rhetoric just regurgitation of what can be found on the net. Given his tone and same joining times I speculate he is a previously banned person pretending to be Muslim.

      Posted by Gary on 04/22 at 07:00 PM • #

 

    1. Be careful what you wish for.

      “Damn, can’t stay away!”
      ~ mushtaq_omar ~

      “All right, that’s it…”
      ~ andrea harris ~

      Posted by guinsPen on 04/22 at 07:14 PM • #

 

    1. The sentence that you quote contains the underlying definition of fundamentalism

      No.  It contains your underlying definition of fundamentalism – “that some lives are more important than others”.

      Perhaps if you read more widely you would know that your definition is not one that is widely accepted even among the great variety of definitions that are circulating in the world.  The only thing it has in common with any of them is that it is derogatory.

      Here are a few:

      H. L. Mencken: “a terrible, pervasive fear that someone, somewhere, is having fun”
      http://www.uuworld.org/2004/01/feature2.html

      “A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.”
      http://www.answers.com/topic/fundamentalism

      “anti-modernist movements in various religions …
      fundamentalism in popular usage sometimes refers derogatorily to any fringe religious group, or to extremist ethnic movements with only nominally religious motivations”
      http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/fundamentalist

      “Since September 11, the dictionary definition of “fundamentalist” has given way to a newer meaning: one who seeks to destroy anyone who subscribes to another belief system.”
      http://www.jewishmediaresources.com/article/257/

      “these days fundamentalist seems to have a much wider meaning. Like for example
      ‘someone who has strong opinions that I disagree with’
      ‘bigot’
      or perhaps especially
      ‘bigot with a gun’.”
      http://clublet.com/c/c/why?WhatFundamentalismMeans

      “a progression from the original meaning of “fundamentalist” to one which can be applied to “anyone who I find it convenient to label as a brainwashed zealot”. Fundamentalism today usually connotes this latter, mostly derogatory, meaning.”
      http://clublet.com/c/c/why?FundamentalismIsATotallyUselessWord

      Posted by Janice on 04/22 at 07:41 PM • #

 

    1. An interesting thing: mushtaq_omar, our latest banned commenter, has almost the same IP address (220.236.112.124) as the unlamented yet not forgotten David Heidelberg (220.236.117.221).

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 04/22 at 07:44 PM • #

 

    1. Forgot to add: it could be he’s for real and it’s just a coincidence, but I’m thinking we had a case of a fake identity from beginning to end here. The little jerk also emailed me claiming that Tim “has a reputation as a racist in the Muslim community.” I’m thinking that representing a community as a sort of hive-mind is pretty racist myself, but what do I know?

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 04/22 at 07:47 PM • #

 

    1. Dern!

      I move that henceforward nobody be banned while zeppenwolf is hard at work making pizza.  Can I get a second?

      I note that Mush starts out reasonably enough, (in some relative sort of way), asking merely why it is ok to mock Rachel’s death.  Clearly, the notion that it is ok to mock any contractor’s death is not an issue– that half of the equation is not even on the table– the only issue is whether it is hypocrisy to mock Rachel’s, (either seemingly or truly).

      As one who willingly celebrates St. Pancake’s Day, I will answer, in case Dr. Mush is still “listening”.

      As stated above, the contractors were in the service of liberation, and their deaths are tragedy without qualification; Rachel’s death, (and life), was in the service of… well, what to call them, except “terrorists”?  The restraint and forebearance of the IDF is well chronicalled, and not open to debate– if they were actively engaged in bulldozing, (Go Cat™!), a home in the “occupied territories”, the implication is direct and of very high confidence that this individual home housed a terrorist or their activities.  It so happens that it also housed Rachel.

      But that’s only the beginning.  While I agree that any death is regrettable, (hopefully Al Zarqawi will drop his arms, move to Ohio, work at a mini-mart and vote Republican after six years), there is an ironic humor in Rachel’s death, even if it is the blackest kind.  To wit:

      What is the “purpose” in lying down in front of a (truly well engineered and inexpensive) Caterpillar™ bulldozer?  The idea is that the driver, seeing Rachel, will be morally unable to proceed, knowing that Rachel would die.  Thus it is exactly the goodwill of the driver which Rachel gambitted would prevent her from being harmed– she played a life and death game of poker, confident in the knowledge that she held four aces.

      But the driver didn’t see her; it was karma, (together with Rachel’s possible stupidity), which called Rachel’s hand, dealing the (awesome and affordable) Caterpillar™ a royal flush, (even where no aces were available!)

      Sorry, Rachel, but you got only what you mockingly invited but never thought could happen, basing your judgement on the goodness of others, a goodness of which you yourself seemed rather devoid.  In truth, you seem to have been a rather stupid and hateful b*tch.

      And quite likely you were cognizant and implicitly supportive of terrorism.

      Well, that should be enough.  I likely need to wrap this up before I go over some character limit:

      Mush: “We’re never going to agree…”

      Which makes it easier for Admin to decide to ban you.

      “…and I’m sick of being accused of things that I am not.”

      Fair enough– I accuse you of being somewhat dense.  Also, I accuse you of being banned.

      Posted by zeppenwolf on 04/22 at 08:44 PM • #

 

    1. An interesting thing: mushtaq_omar, our latest banned commenter, has almost the same IP address (220.236.112.124) as the unlamented yet not forgotten David Heidelberg (220.236.117.221).

      Damn, I guessed Bryla.

      Posted by jic on 04/22 at 09:01 PM • #

 

    1. jic, me too.

      Posted by Hanyu on 04/22 at 09:29 PM • #

 

    1. Fundamentalism implies parsimony, a preference for the least complicated explanation and the unbending application of that explanation.

      Fundamentalists apply empirical ‘formulas’ to every situation without making allowances for local variations.  They will not hear of any criticism or contrary analysis of their beliefs and enforce blind allegiance.

      It is this facet of Islam which has allowed whole countries to be held held captive to a set of religious beliefs, with the religious leaders pronouncing death sentences on those whom that dare challenge them.

      Posted by rog2 on 04/22 at 09:42 PM • #

 

    1. One other anomaly: Mushtaq gave the impression that he was Arabic but the name is Urdu or something.

      Posted by murph on 04/23 at 12:14 AM • #

 

    1. 400 suicide bombers sign up, the Grand Ayatollah decreed that “martyrdom operations” were permissible in the “occupied Islamic countries” as a weapon of war against modern armies.

      Posted by rog2 on 04/23 at 12:20 AM • #

 

    1. I’m backing Bryla or even Professor Q or that insufferable windbag twat – Bahnisch.  The IP address is with Optus in Brisbane.

      whois 220.236.112.124?

      Blacklist Status:  Listed – Cached Today (details)
      Cached Whois:  Cached today
      Record Type:  IP Address
      IP Location:  Australia – Queensland – Brisbane – Optus Internet – Retail
      Reverse IP:  No websites hosted using this IP address
      Reverse DNS:  d220-236-112-124.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au

      ——————————————————————————–
      % [whois.apnic.net node-2] % Whois data copyright terms http://www.apnic.net/db/dbcopyright.html

      inetnum:  220.236.0.0 – 220.239.255.255
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      descr:  INTERNET SERVICES
      descr:  Chatswood, Sydney
      country:  AU
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      role:  Optus Internet
      address:  Level 3, 11 Help Street
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      country:  AU
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      e-mail:
      trouble:  Send spam/abuse reports to
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      notify:
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      Posted by murph on 04/23 at 12:25 AM • #

 

    1. btw, somebody has already done all of us a favour and registered Mushy as a spammer

      Posted by murph on 04/23 at 12:27 AM • #

 

    1. Personally, I like the claims of “racism” whenever Islam is criticized, as well as the laws making illegal such criticisms. How much longer does a religion have left in its existence, when it can’t stand any inspection of its basic tenets?

      Posted by david on 04/23 at 01:17 AM • #

 

    1. Hey Mushtaq,

      just in case you’re still reading, how are the flying lessons going? I hope you’re taking some landing lessons as well.

      Posted by steve68 on 04/23 at 03:15 AM • #

 

    1. Well, guys, here’s the last email I received from “mushtaq”:

      Good detective work there Andrea.  I’m impressed.

      Actually I do have a serious question for you.  After reading your victory
      blog, I’ve become quite a fan of your writing style – actually jealous is
      a better word. I find your writing clear, intelligent, without being too
      wordy and pretentious.  Don’t get me wrong; I’m talking about style not
      content!

      Are you a writer/author, or just a keen blogger?  What did you study at
      college?  Serious questions.

      DH

      Freak.

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 04/23 at 08:59 AM • #

 

    1. Further to #28 above:
      Some suspects have been apprehended, and the locals were apparently involved, according to the post at LGF.
      The Iraqi civilian told soldiers he knew where a blue pickup truck used in the attack was parked and led them to the site, the military said. When the soldiers reached the area, several other local residents confirmed the initial tip and showed them where the suspects lived, the statement said.
      If this level of cooperation continues, there is some writing on the wall for the “insurgents”, aka “murdering criminals”. The locals now know where their interests lie.

      Posted by blogstrop on 04/23 at 09:01 PM • #

 

  1. Andrea, we all know and love your writing style. I’m sure your head will not be turned by well known cavity filler DH.

    Posted by blogstrop on 04/23 at 09:03 PM • #