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Phillip Adams pines for his Cuba-based heroes:
At one end of the island, Fidel Castro is dying. At the other, David Hicks is being driven insane.
It’d be a short drive. Does Adams seriously imagine that sane people travel overseas to join the freakin’ Taliban? Is a sane person given to Jewish global-domination conspiracies? Do sane people want to demolish democracy and install sharia law? Adams continues:
Hicks has had five years in and out of wire cages and solitary confinement, John. That’s 60 months, Philip. Or more than 1800 days, Alexander.
Keep the numbers coming, mate. That’s 260 weeks, Shlomo. More than 43,800 hours, Morgan. In excess of 2,629,000 minutes, Zebulon!
Though treated as cruelly as any criminal on earth …
Nonsense.
In the long run it isn’t Hicks’s rights we should be defending; it’s my rights and your rights and the rights of other Australian kids who may be swept up in some mutated form of idealism or religious enthusiasm.
Not too many have been swept up by “idealism” since Dave moved to his current address. Interesting, that.
We’ve got standards to maintain: Australian standards of justice. Instead, we’re in bed with a government that rips up its constitution in regards to the civil rights of its citizens …
Examples, please.
… that allowed the horrors of Abu Ghraib …
Abu Ghraib’s bodystacking leash-enthusiasts have all been prosecuted. The only government that allowed horrors at Abu Ghraib was run by Saddam Hussein—who’d still be in charge if it were up to Phil.
it’s my rights and your rights and the rights of other Australian kids who may be swept up in some mutated form of idealism or religious enthusiasm.
Adams has pissed on my idealism and religious enthusiasm for years. Why is he now standing up for those of this Hicks wanker?
Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 12 26 at 01:11 AM • permalink
- Phillip Adams is not at all well. He really should seek professional help for that delusional paranoia. I’d like to quote Santayana here, but Adams has gone far beyond failing “to learn from history”, he’s shoved it down the Memory Hole.Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 12 26 at 01:42 AM • permalink
Though treated as cruelly as any criminal on earth …
So, I guess Phillip “Look the Other Way” Adams never quite got around to noticing how cruelly prisoners were treated in Saddam’s Iraq – or in the Taliban’s Afghanistan, for that matter. Despite the “cruel treatment” meted out to him, we’ve yet to see David Hicks turn up in a mass grave anywhere. Or any grave anywhere. Would that the same could be said for Saddam’s prisoners or the Taliban’s prisoners.
- The “Horrors of Abu Ghraib”. F*ck me, I’ve seen worse treatment meted out to people on their buck’s night, for crying out loud. And as for that little nutjob in Gitmo, f*ck him, he was a footsoldier for a repressive fundamentalist regime whose power came from the barrel of a gun. He was an illegal combatant, and could (and should) have been shot. I know I’ve said it elsewhere, but what would he have done if he had been in the position of capturing one of our soldiers? Would he have quoted the Geneva Conventions pertinent to fair treatment of POWs? Pull the other one, it plays “Jingle Bells”.
Yes, repeating myself again, but the fact is, If I saw him walking down my street, I could well commit murder.
- Hicks travelled overseas to voluntarily join an organisation that had formally declared war on the United States, and which regularly carried out large terrorist attacks on the US. He was an armed combatant captured in a war zone on what was effectively a battlefield.
He is a prisoner of war. As such he has no “rights” to be charged or tried for anything. His only real human right is to be held under humane conditions until the war is over. Even this right does not exist under the Geneva Conventions, which applies only to regular soldiers in uniform.
If the Americans want to charge him with anything, fine, but he has no right to such treatment.
- From what I can recall there shouldn’t have been to much ripping, the Australian constitution actually has very few civil rights and I doubt any of them have been broken in any case, unless that is he has been refused the right to vote?
Then I guess Davy hasn’t exactly kept himself on the electoral role?
- Mr Adams might like to get real and support a worthy cause.
“It is curious that those who parade their own religious conviction, devotion to spirituality and moral superiority as they flourish petitions for Hicks appear totally blind to the plight of a true prisoner of conscience in desperate need of support, Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury.”
“Choudhury, a Bangladeshi journalist, stands accused of damaging the image and relations of his nation “by praising the Jews and Christians, by attempting to travel to Israel and by predicting the so-called rise of Islamist militancy in the country and expressing such thorough writings inside the country and abroad”, as well as charges of blasphemy, sedition, treason and espionage.”
“He was arrested at Zia International Airport on November 29, 2003, as he was about to fly to Israel to attend a writers’ conference in Tel Aviv on how the media can foster world peace.”
“Over the past three years, he has been bashed, held in a detention centre for the criminally insane, had his legs broken while being tortured, been vilified in the Bangladeshi press, refused permission to attend his mother’s funeral, denied medical treatment and had his office bombed.”
“He has pleaded not guilty but his travails have escaped the noisy ranks of the civil liberties lobby.”
- #6 Zscore: No, read the Conventions pertaining to POWs mate. He is not, in fact, a POW. He is an illegal combatant, and as per the Conventions, liable to be executed upon capture. The Conventions were written that way with the purpose of people following them, something little Dahwood and the Tailbs never f*cking did.
- #6 If it is accepted that he is a POW, then one must also accept that the Taliban were the legal governing body of Afghanistan prior to US action against them. Which they clearly weren’t. The next question is, if he was fighting on behalf of the Taliban, was he granted citizenship, because if not, he would be considered a “mercenary” and as such, has no legal protections whatsoever. He’s lucky not o have been summarily executed after his capture as it was.
I could have sworn that Hickshit was granted UK citizenship as of about July this year. Why the hell should Australia agitate for the repatriation of another country’s problem? A problem that has committed themselves to the destruction of the very lifestyle Australian leftists want him returned to?
- David Hicks’ father Terry is going to run a campaign against the Howard Government in the run up to next year’s election. He has been told ‘it can cause a swing of up to 3%”
Old Tezza doesn’t mention which way – I’d wager a 3% swing TO the Governemnt.
Piers Akerman in today’s Tele has an interesting take on the whole lunatic Hicks family here
- Adams writes:
“We now export the death penalty for Australian kids by special arrangement with Indonesia. In Iraq, in Abu Ghraib, we’ve exported war crimes.”
I almost wrote that it would be interesting to know what bizarrely twisted mental processes could make writing sentences like the above possible. But of course it wouldn’t be interesting, really.
- why am i not surprised ACT chief minister John Stanhope was the one who nominated Terry Hicks
for father of the year?and not a bad word for Castro from phatty – the KGB really got their moneysworth out of this stooge
Posted by eeniemeenie on 2006 12 26 at 04:27 AM • permalink
- 185600 : Re LOAC, Geneva Protocols etc. Even illegal combatants must be treated with a measure of humanity, boiling them in oil, live vivisection without anaesthetic etc are all out.
About the worst we could do legally would be solitary confinement with hard labour and no release, or a firing squad.
Re Hicks: since there’s no evidence I’ve seen that he was particularly worse than any other Taliban illegal combatant, repatriation to the legal government of Afghanistan would seem reasonable, as soon as the conflict with the Taliban is over.
That might take a few decades, of course. And what they would do with him might not be to his liking. But that’s what the Law says we must do.
- #14 CB
I could have sworn that Hickshit was granted UK citizenship as of about July this year.
Yes you are right but he was stripped of it one day after the UK government was forced by the UK High Court to grant it. Interesting eh? We could well ask why the UK government decided that it was not in the public interest for Hicks to remain a UK citizen yet the same government (allegedly) lobbied for the successful return of other UK nationals to the UK. Perhaps that’s academic and maybe he was stripped of his citizenship because it could be done.
CB you also said
Why the hell should Australia agitate for the repatriation of another country’s problem? A problem that has committed themselves to the destruction of the very lifestyle Australian leftists want him returned to?
I agree that even as Hicks remains an Australian citizen, we are not obliged to agitate for his return. Why bother? If anything from our national perspective I say we are better off leaving him precisely where he is because it would be difficult to successfully prosecute him here. The only issue with his being in Gitmo is the time taken so far to bring him before a tribunal. The sooner that happens, and Hicks is dealt with, the better.
- #24, Agitation by the British govt for the release of their citizens was BEFORE the London Tube/Bus suicide bombings.
Those bombings, and the post-release conduct of some of the “poor” British Gitmo detainees has caused a diametric reversal of the mood in Britain.
Posted by Steve at the pub on 2006 12 26 at 04:47 AM • permalink
- #23 Zoe Brain
Re Hicks: since there’s no evidence I’ve seen that he was particularly worse than any other Taliban illegal combatant, repatriation to the legal government of Afghanistan would seem reasonable, as soon as the conflict with the Taliban is over.
That is probably the Pentagon’s intention.
That might take a few decades, of course. And what they would do with him might not be to his liking.
:^)
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 12 26 at 04:49 AM • permalink
- #23 Zoe: I possibly didn’t state my position properly? I totally agree with you, and please mate, don’t quote LOAC at me, I reckon I know enough about them. My point is that Dahwood could have, and should have been executed in the spot as per the rules that I have to live by every time I deploy. He wasn’t following the rules, thus, as you also said, the protections afforded POWs don’t apply to him. If I was captured over there, do you really think that the side he supported (or even Dahwood himself) would have followed the LOAC or GCs? We won WW1, and WW2, and other conflicts also, by ruthlessness, and it strikes me that the battlefield is no place to be PC about things.
- Phat Phil is reminding me of the woeful hand-wringer who delivered the sermon at my Christmas Eve mass. The congregation who were expecting, y’know, something about ‘unto us a child is born, rejoice’, etc., were instead treated to a recital of Fairfax op-ed talking points on Iraq, Israel, AWB (not kidding!) and…David Hicks. According to Father Bleeding-Heart, David Hicks is an example of how ‘we’ are all suffering under the ‘so-called’ war on terror. Well, gee, Father, last time I looked, I wasn’t in an orange jumpsuit because – guess what? – I never travelled around the world to shoot women in the head and stone gays to death. And a happy Christmas to you too: hope you get a plastic turkey.
(No better was the piece on SBS news tonight about how if Joseph and Mary were trying to get to Bethlehem today, they’d be held up by Israeli checkpoints and that evil wall. I venture to suggest that Mary wasn’t carrying a bomb disguised as a baby-bump. Therein lies the difference.)
- LOAC are meant to prevent atrocities between belligerents, under the understanding that hostilities will eventually cease and diplomatic relations must recommence in some way, shape or form. As far as the religious fundamentalists of the Taliban are concerned, the concepts of democracy and abiding by ‘the rules’ are infidel suggestions and not worthy of consideration. No sympathy for their plight. No consideration of mercy. No pleas for clemency. These are our sworn enemies, and always will be until either our side wins or theirs does. Hicks is but a pawn, for both sides.
- #10 ‘brown-eye pyramids’
the Pyramid of the Moons?
Posted by eeniemeenie on 2006 12 26 at 07:06 AM • permalink
- #34 CB: Exactly it (and again put more cogently than I could, b*stard). If it wasn’t for the media siding with our enemies (and most are, even if they don’t say it), they would fear our response to their actions more. They have only learned to fear our response thanks to fairly robust ROE that certain of our units have used in the ‘Ghan, but it’s the hearts and minds of our own countries we have to win. To many people have the idea that nothing positive is coming from this war (something I personally believe is untrue).
- It would be interesting to note Phillys mates the soviets treatments of “collaborators” from the Nazi regime.
From memory slave laborers were often imprisoned. Hiwis or Russians who had joined the Nazi forces (usually as a means to escape the near death camp conditions of the POW camps for the Russians) were pretty well all shot out of hand.
Those taken prisoner were pretty well all sentenced to terms in labor camps and ineligible for many sorts of state support.
Lord Haw Haw, hung.
Many others were shot, hung and disenfranchised all across the world as a result for backing the wrong horse in a time of war.
My only question to Phill the methane man is why does he think our enemies are owed any more consideration than has been customary?
You lie with dogs you get up with fleas…Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 12 26 at 07:47 AM • permalink
- Copped the same sermon as you, Cuckoo (#33).
Father “Save Th Reffos” (sic) launched into the same political diatribe, thankfully, avoiding references to Mohammed Dawood or I would have been excommunicated forthwith.
185600, (hope that’s not your PMKeys), I am seriously glad to see that the “now” generation of diggers are as full of piss and vinegar as ever. God bless you and your mates and I wish you every success in the coming deployment.
From one of the “Old Faithful” battalion from times past.
Keep off the skyline, young Digger, I want to see you home safe.
Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2006 12 26 at 09:18 AM • permalink
- 43: unfortunately, he does have a mate, one Patrice Newell, a former model I believe.
Good lord! What did she model, car covers? No, I googled the name and she looks to be of considerably less heft than Phil, rather attractive, actually, based on the photo. I note, as well, that she and Phil seem to have co-authored/co-edited a number of joke books. I’m trying to imagine what Phil would find amusing: Vietnamese Communist re-education camps? Refugees from Cuba? Lavrentiy Beria? Screamingly funny stuff, no doubt.
- #42 Pedro: Old Faithful? Well, we have probably jumped out of the same Hercs, since they’ve been around forever. 🙂 Nope, not Pmkeys, abortion that it is, Regimental number.
I remember my essess mate, skyline was the unofficial one, and considering where I’m going, pertinent, but hey, I’ve been there a couple of years ago, so we’ll see. Ta but:)
- McAnzac
Been there, done that, the lazy sod wont respond. I emailed him some time ago on one of his refugee crock of shits, which by chance, I had been front and centre at. (Busted ribs)
I pointed out the many falicies he had spoken, and outright lies he had told and challenged him to put me on his show (LNL).
Not a peep from the lying piece of shit, Hes lower than a snakes balls in a waggon rut.
They call him ankles cos hes 3 foot lower than an arsehole.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 12 26 at 09:40 AM • permalink
- Paco, I’ve bought the joke book when it came out and mostly it was pretty good. Here is an example:
What is the difference between a mountain goat and a goldfish?
The goldfish mucks about the fountain.Until recently I thought Patrice was the sane one but with her excursion into politics it wrecks that theory.
- 48. Follickingmole
Even if he won’t respond, it’s worth doing. Talking to ourselves about it is all very well, but it’s basically just glorified wanking (nothing wrong with that, as far as it goes). But it’s not enough to hate and despise the likes of Adams – let them know every day that they are hated and despised!!!!
- How come when the “horrors” of Abu Ghraib is the subject no-one seems to remember the 930-odd bodies dug out of the floor.
Qusay Hussein had a way of managing prisons. If the prisoners don’t fit, don’t embiggen the prison. Just kill some until they do fit.
On one occasion, 2,000 prisoners were killed in one day. Twenty times higher than the daily civilian death toll that had the MSM running around like the Chicken Littles of Iraq not so long ago…
- good news for phatty in today’s courier mail
Dr Garcia Sabrido,… , described Castro’s condition as “fine’‘.
“Everyday he asks to go back to work but the doctors won’t allow it,’’ He said he was full of admiration at Castro’s “excellent and fantastic intellectual activity”.
Cuba’s iconic leader had suffered from “a benign process with a series of complications”,
iconic?, benign process?? Castro’s failure to die is benign how?Posted by eeniemeenie on 2006 12 26 at 06:55 PM • permalink
- “Everyday he asks to go back to work but the doctors won’t allow it.’’
Excuse me?
If the Big C is really ‘fine’ then any doctor telling him to STFU would soon be hanging from a tree. Ergo, he’s soon worm food.Exception: modern medicine can keep a body warm long after it’s a potato. At this point it’s politics, not health care.
- “Allowed”?
The U.S. government was prosecuting the perpetrators of those crimes months before Mr. Adams ever mentioned the place. The photos were not released to the press by a whistleblower, but by the defense attorneys of one of the perpetrators as they tried to embarrass the United States out of court-martialing the slime.
To say the U.S. “allowed” the abuses at Abu Ghraib is like saying that the colonial government of Victoria “allowed” Ned Kelly to engage in murder and bank robberies, or that the British in 1939 “allowed” Germany to invade Poland.
Posted by Warmongering Lunatic on 2006 12 27 at 12:38 AM • permalink
Good lord! What did she model, car covers? No, I googled the name and she looks to be of considerably less heft than Phil, rather attractive, actually, based on the photo. I note, as well, that she and Phil seem to have co-authored/co-edited a number of joke books. I’m trying to imagine what Phil would find amusing: Vietnamese Communist re-education camps? Refugees from Cuba? Lavrentiy Beria? Screamingly funny stuff, no doubt.
You remember when back at grade school, you’d crack a joke and there’d be that kid who wouldn’t laugh at your joke because he didn’t like you?
Well, I’ve never read any of Phatty’s joke books for the same reason. I’d be that kid at school as far as he’s concerned. No matter how funny the jokes, I’d never crack a smile, because I’d only be too aware of who was telling me they’re funny.
Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 12 27 at 01:25 AM • permalink
- Its Phillys claim top be a “best selling author”, his own tripe sells like wax Lenins at a KKK convention, so he pinches jokes and puts them into sections.
Thats it, not great skull work involved, just a bit of pinching and editing, much like everything he does, second hand and shop soiled.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 12 27 at 01:41 AM • permalink
- It’d be a short drive. Does Adams seriously imagine that sane people travel overseas to join the freakin’ Taliban? Is a sane person given to Jewish global-domination conspiracies? Do sane people want to demolish democracy and install sharia law? Adams continues:
It’s an easy comeback, one I’ve been tempted to make myself, but it’s not entirely accurate.
Just because al Qaeda et al are evil doesn’t mean that they’re insane. If they were mentally ill, they wouldn’t be able to co-ordinate on large scale projects involving over a dozen people, such as September 11.
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Jesus Christ. These “horrors” were frat initiations without the beer.