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Michael Moore is angry about private contributions funding George W. Bush’s inauguration:

Lobbyists join corporate America in “soft money” funding of the second inauguration which is expected to cost $40 million. Two-thirds of the country thinks that sum is too lavish. Without doubt, $40 million will not erase George’s legacy.

What’s the Michigan Mass complaining about? $40 million is nothing to him:

In just three days, Moore’s new film has surpassed the domestic box-office of his previous docudrama, Bowling For Columbine, which took nearly 10 months to earn $20 million. The Oscar-winner earned about $40 million abroad.

If $40 million isn’t enough to “erase George’s legacy”, maybe the Flint Couchbreaker should donate some scraps from his propaganda earnings.

Posted by Tim B. on 01/22/2005 at 12:49 AM
    1. Whoever attacked Moore for being consistent?  The man’s in the entertainment business.  If people choose to take him seriously that’s their problem.

      Posted by rexie on 01/22 at 01:11 AM • #

 

    1. off topic – 7.39 Report takes a lead from Margo and her doctrine of the Nobility of non – achieving. First they celebrated Steven Smith for not standing for the ALP leadership stakes.Silly Sara then reported in detail from Zimbabwe profiling Morgan Changurai who with his opposition party is not standing for election against Robert Mugabe. Well done Aunty – it’s marvellous what a difference Margo makes…

      Posted by crash on 01/22 at 01:55 AM • #

 

    1. Gah.  The Fat Tub O’ Lard is nothing if not a complete ass.  Let him send out $40 mil to erase his own legacy.

      I sound confused.  Must be the cold medicine…

      Posted by ushie on 01/22 at 02:51 AM • #

 

    1. Tim: Just to clarify—Mr. Moore is from Davidson, a suburb of Flint, not Flint. I have relatives in Flint, as well as several family members who work for GM, and hope to keep them untainted.

      Michigander.

      Posted by RDO on 01/22 at 02:55 AM • #

 

    1. Some knuckle head on NPR a week or two ago complained about the private funding of the inauguration as well. What was his grand solution? Make the government (read tax payers) pay for it. I’m sure he would then complain that the government was wasting tax payers’ money on a frivolous celebration. Why complain about how private citizens spend their money? Why blame the presidnet for it?

      Posted by Samantha on 01/22 at 03:23 AM • #

 

    1. I guess Ol’ Tub-O-Guts thinks the inauguration should’ve been funded using tax-payers money.  Basically forcing Democrats, and Greens, and socialists to pay for part of it.  And, either adding to the deficit, or taking funding from some other program.

      Posted by David Crawford on 01/22 at 03:23 AM • #

 

    1. How much would Fatso, Kos, the swimmer, moonbats, et al have raised for a Kerry inauguration?

      Would he have demanded that they do away with inauguration parties and just go have some big macs and watch MTV?

      Posted by Abu Qa’Qa on 01/22 at 03:29 AM • #

 

    1. Oh, leave Mikey alone. $40mil barely covers his food tab……..

      Posted by Crusader on 01/22 at 03:30 AM • #

 

    1. Soft money, soft arteries, who needs it?

      Posted by Jim Treacher on 01/22 at 04:58 AM • #

 

    1. Tim,

      I’d disagree with you, except that I don’t.

      But on the plus side, at least you don’t try to
      charge me for contrary comments (as at least one Leftie site – follow the link – is, yes, now trying to do in an effort to avoid having to even acknowledge differences of opinion).

      Sure hope I didn’t give you any ideas!

      Posted by localharbor on 01/22 at 05:59 AM • #

 

    1. $2.00 to read a comment that probably takes a second to read. There must be a bloody powerful union for bloggers that some of us aren’t a member of. That’s hilarious and stupid.

      Shoot, Moore will probably make a film about the costs of the swear-in do now in which he will track down sellers of ice-cream and other such products and accuse them of something or rather on camera.

      Posted by Darlene Taylor on 01/22 at 06:29 AM • #

 

    1. I bet Moore never complained about Clinton’s $33M inaugural in 97.

      That’s different, right?

      (Me, I think both are just fine. But I want consistency from my punditry. It’s good to want, eh?)

      Posted by Sigivald on 01/22 at 07:12 AM • #

 

    1. The left (or at least many on that side) wants to take more money from people and spend it as the (the left) see fit. But the money that people keep after taxes, they want to say how it’s not spent?

      Perhaps my paycheck should just go to them. That way they can control 100% of what I make.

      Hey, Mr. Moore, if you send me your bank’s routing number and your checking account number, I’ll set that right up. You got my e-mail address, right Michael?

      Posted by basil on 01/22 at 07:31 AM • #

 

    1. I would like to have seen the inaugural run 100 million dollars, funded entirely by cuts in the 2005 PBS (Public Broadcasting) budget.

      The left is already screaming, so complaints wouldn’t have been an issue.

      It would have helped to curtail PBS’ 2005 efforts at undercutting Republicans (with Republican provided funds) at every oppurtunity.

      And most important, it would have been hillarious, and I could’ve laughed and laughed and laughed and laughed and………

      Posted by Thomas on 01/22 at 08:05 AM • #

 

    1. Michael Moore…. Isn’t that name familar? I’m sure he used to be quite famous back during Bush’s first term. Whatever happened to him?

      Posted by Ross on 01/22 at 09:33 AM • #

 

    1. What percentage of the inauguration is publicly funded? Is it totally private funding? Just curious.

      Moores true colours were shown in the whole “distributor fiasco” before F9/11 was released. Plenty of offers were made to release it to the public for free, but were rejected by the capitalist prick.
      Still, with that food bill……

      Posted by Gibbo on 01/22 at 09:59 AM • #

 

    1. If Michael Moore didn’t exist Karl Rove would have had to invent him.

      Posted by Randal Robinson on 01/22 at 10:12 AM • #

 

    1. Maybe Hamas could fund the inaguration? After all, didn’t they assist distributing Moore’s latest epic?

      Posted by Quentin George on 01/22 at 10:32 AM • #

 

    1. Michigander,

      I glad you pointed that out. Now Grand Funk Railroad can’t be tainted as well. The wild shirtless lyrics of Mark Farner… the bong-rattling bass of Mel Schacher… the competent drumwork of Don Brewer… Oh, man!

      Anyway, marginally more on topic, I heard an interview with some bloke from Australia National University yesterday arguing that it was unfair that DC has to pay the security bill for the inauguration because only a minority of DC residents voted for Bush!! Now, given the fact that the Republican Party has never won DC in a presidential poll (e.g. along with Massachusetts, it was the only win by McGovern in the Nixon 72 landslide), the only inference I could draw is that no Republican should ever be inaugurated in Washington. Anyway, I was touched by this academics newfound concern for the taxpayer

      Posted by Adam B on 01/22 at 10:59 AM • #

 

    1. When I put Moore’s comments into Babelfish it gave me this

      “Lobbyists join corporate America in “soft money” funding of the second inauguration which is expected to cost 10 million Big Mac Meals. Two-thirds of the country thinks that sum is too lavish. Without doubt, 10 million Big Mac meals will not erase George’s legacy.”

      curious.

      Posted by giles on 01/22 at 11:58 AM • #

 

    1. Our very own Michael Moore , John Pilger, is one of The Age’s “50 Australians who matter” :-
      “JOHN PILGER, journalist.
      Born in Sydney in 1939, he now lives in London. In print and on film he exposes the machinations of multinationals and the hypocrisy of governments. Some of Pilger’s fans wish he could combine his investigative skills with the sense of humour of Michael Moore.”

      Others merely wish he would tell the truth from time to time

      This also shows that The Age is getting dottier and loonier left each day under its new Scottish git editor

      Posted by arnienelly on 01/22 at 01:06 PM • #

 

    1. Gibbo.  Most of the inauguration is private funding.  All of the construction for the ceremony is public funds along with alot of the security expense.  I heard a figure of 2.8 million.  This may be close or not.  Hope that helps.

      Posted by yojimbo on 01/22 at 02:53 PM • #

 

    1. arnienelly,

      Our very own Michael Moore , John Pilger, is one of The Age’s “50 Australians who matter” :-

      He’s also has the (dubious) distinction of a having a word coined in his honor: pilgery.:^P

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 01/22 at 03:13 PM • #

 

    1. A point of order if you please.  Clinton’s 1993 fandango probably cost just about as much as the 2005 inauguration.  The 1993 spectacular cost 33 million bucks.  That was over a decade ago.  If you comp that out in constant dollars( that’s adjusting for inflation) you come close to the 2005 amount.  Yes, thank you, that is a good point.  This doesn’t fit the MSM agenda so you’ll never hear that brought up but it is true.  Wonder why Republicans don’t bring this up?  You don’t think the buck has depreciated in purchasing power by that much in over a decade?  Guess again.

      Posted by yojimbo on 01/22 at 04:01 PM • #

 

    1. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050114/ap_on_go_pr_wh/inaugural_price_tag

      “President Roosevelt held his 1945 inaugural at the White House, making a short speech and serving guests cold chicken salad and plain pound cake,” according to a letter from Weiner and Rep. Jim McDermott (news, bio, voting record), D-Wash. “During World War I, President Wilson did not have any parties at his 1917 inaugural, saying that such festivities would be undignified.”

      Quite.  No one begrudges Bush the right to mark his inauguration.  But a simple ceremony on the Supreme Court steps, followed by getting back to work is the historically appropriate thing to do in a time of war and devastation (e.g. the tsanami relief operation which is still ongoing).  Instead, we get a coronation and obscene amounts of money spent by the ultra rich, fiddling the night away while Rome burns down around them.  Perspective, people, perspective.

      I can’t shake the feeling that if Kerry had been elected, his response would have been to donate much of the money to tsunami relief, hold a simpler ceremony, and then move the “movers and shakers” meetings off-stage.  The rich would have still gotten their access in the weeks that followed, but without the whole thing appearing crass.

      Posted by RhysW on 01/22 at 04:08 PM • #

 

    1. RhysW,

      Instead, we get a coronation and obscene amounts of money spent by the ultra rich, fiddling the night away while Rome burns down around them. Perspective, people, perspective.

      LOL! A little heavy with the hyperbole, no?Perspective, indeed.

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 01/22 at 04:30 PM • #

 

    1. In response to my “Rome is burning” comment, Spiny Norman says, “LOL! A little heavy with the hyperbole, no?”

      A deeply divided country, shouting matches across dinner tables between family members, wishful thinking masquerading as foreign policy, Christian fundamentalists attemping to dismantle the Constitution and create a theocracy, civil rights being eroded, corporate interests put ahead of social interests, … ?

      Nah, Rome isn’t burning.  Nothing to see.  Move along.  Wonder what’s happening on Survivor this week?

      Posted by RhysW on 01/22 at 04:45 PM • #

 

    1. Would you like some lotion, Rhys?  You must be starting to chafe.

      Posted by Sortelli on 01/22 at 04:46 PM • #

 

    1. “I can’t shake the feeling that if Kerry had been elected, his response would have been to donate much of the money to tsunami relief, hold a simpler ceremony, and then move the “movers and shakers” meetings off-stage. The rich would have still gotten their access in the weeks that followed, but without the whole thing appearing crass.”

      BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

      Are you taliking about John “Scaramouche” Kerry? He of the five homes? He of the bought-in-Europe-and-shipped-to-Idaho antique ski villa? The wind-surfing, Martha’s Vineyard-vacationing, let’s-pretend-to-eat-at-Wendy’s-and-have-a-catered-seafood-feast-on-the-bus, “Our friends don’t think it’s appropriate that the help dines with us” plutocrat? Jesus, Rhys, this guy would have requested a coronation robe and a golden chalice. Come on, how far in the sand was your head buried during the campaign?

      Posted by Dave S. on 01/22 at 04:48 PM • #

 

    1. Dave:  If questioned about the cost of his inauguration, Kerry would probably have said “It’s not mine, it’s the family’s!”

      Posted by Sortelli on 01/22 at 04:53 PM • #

 

    1. RhysW, you are starting to sound like the pundits sneering about “Dubya’s plastic turkey”, and ignoring the facts.

      You wouldn’t have voted for Kerry by any chance, and aren’t just a little bit disgruntled about the actual results?

      It’s either that or start using that lotion, ‘cuz that chafing must really be wearing.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 01/22 at 05:09 PM • #

 

    1. “A deeply divided country”

      When you disagree with lefties, you’re “divisive.” That’s bad. When they disagree with you, they’re “dissenting.” That’s good.

      “shouting matches across dinner tables between family members”

      Yes, that only started happening after November, 2000. I remember well the halcyon days of college kids coming home to chat with their folks about how swell Ronald Reagan was. And oh, how peaceful the dinner tables of America were during the Clinton days.

      “wishful thinking masquerading as foreign policy”

      Oh, how I wish those theocratic scum in Afghanistan could be deposed. Oh, if only Uday Hussein would die for raping twelve-year-old Iraqi girls. What idle dreams I have.

      “Christian fundamentalists attemping to dismantle the Constitution and create a theocracy”

      Whatever you’re on, it’s causing severe paranoia. If not, cite examples. Not fevered projections, please. I’m an agnostic who despises fundamentalist Christians, but I recognize how unthreatening they are. The chances of America becoming a theocracy are zero, zilch, and nada. So take a Librium and relax. If you want to worry, worry about the folks who want to turn the ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD into a theocracy. You know the folks I mean – the ones who lop off heads, fly buildings into skyscrapers, and are one coup away from atomic weapons. Don’t worry about the poodle sniffing your geraniums, while a pit bull is headed towards your baby.

      “civil rights being eroded”

      Been arrested yet for your dangerous dissension? Know anybody who has?

      “corporate interests put ahead of social interests”

      Boilerplate. And guess what, junior – those eeeevil corporations give us the luxurious standard of living we enjoy. Why, I dare say you couldn’t bitch about corporations on a computer if not for corporations.

      “Nah, Rome isn’t burning. Nothing to see. Move along. Wonder what’s happening on Survivor this week?”

      God, do you people have a handbook? “And remember, comrades, to always conclude your rant of angered sadness with a snide remark indicating the preference of the ignorant lumpenproles for popular entertainment over sophisticated political awareness. Cite a specific example, but be careful – nothing is more embarassing than citing a movie or television show which other smart, sophisticated, liberal intellectuals appreciate as kitsch.”

      Posted by Dave S. on 01/22 at 05:13 PM • #

 

    1. “You wouldn’t have voted for Kerry by any chance, and aren’t just a little bit disgruntled about the actual results?”

      Being an Australian, I actually voted for Latham.  Wasn’t eligible to vote for Kerry, but would have if I could.  I’m disappointed, but not disgruntled.  Now Bush has to clean up his own mess.  Should be fun watching him try.

      Dave S says, “The chances of America becoming a theocracy are zero, zilch, and nada.”

      I suggest you look up the word Dominionism.  Because right now, you’re being ruled by them.  Most of the senior Republicans are part of that movement, or at least pay lip service to get themselves elected in the South.

      “Been arrested yet for your dangerous dissension? Know anybody who has?”

      There are a lot more civil rights than Free Speech.  Quite a few people have been locked up for being Muslim, in the wrong place at the wrong time, without access to a lawyer for years on end.  Being openly gay in the South isn’t exactly the way to live a long and healthy life.  While you are looking things up, try “Pastor Neimoller”.

      “Why, I dare say you couldn’t bitch about corporations on a computer if not for corporations.”

      I run Linux, which was built by a world-wide group of individuals in their spare time for the good of humanity.  I use open PC hardware, based on open standards that corporations normally don’t like because it drives their profits down.  I use the Internet, built by lefty academics to be open to all while the corporations tried to create proprietry networks that locked everyone in.

      Your point?  *You* wouldn’t be able to bitch if it wasn’t for Liberals like me.

      Posted by RhysW on 01/22 at 05:57 PM • #

 

    1. Dave S, you have his number!

      Posted by blogstrop on 01/22 at 06:02 PM • #

 

    1. RhysW, if it seems we aren’t taking you seriously, it’s only because we aren’t.  Feel free to panic as much as you want, though.  Your hyperventilating makes your sincerity and moral superiority that much more amusing.

      Posted by Steve Skubinna on 01/22 at 06:26 PM • #

 

    1. RhysW, I’ve got a great idea. You could move to North Korea since there are no evil corporations to offend your delicate sensibilities. There’s also no electricity, so we’d be spared your sanctimonious, pathetic whining.

      Posted by ArtVandelay on 01/22 at 06:34 PM • #

 

    1. I use the Internet, built by lefty academics to be open to all while the corporations tried to create proprietry networks that locked everyone in.

      You need to look up DARPAnet.

      Posted by david on 01/22 at 06:34 PM • #

 

    1. Steve: I don’t expect you to take me seriously.  I’m merely providing a counterpoint, and deriving great amusement from watching you all go Ad Hominem on me rather that argue the merits of the argument.  I’m perfectly calm.  No hyperventilation here.  How are you doing?

      Posted by RhysW on 01/22 at 06:51 PM • #

 

    1. I use the Internet, built by lefty academics to be open to all while the corporations tried to create proprietry networks that locked everyone in.

      Ahh…no…

      The Internet has its origins in the much-despised-by-lefties Military Industrial Complex.

      The core networks forming the Internet started out in 1969 as the ARPANET, created by the United States Department of Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA). Some early research which contributed to the ARPANET included work on decentralised networks, queueing theory, and packet switching. On January 1, 1983, the ARPANET changed its core networking protocols from NCP to TCP/IP, marking the start of the Internet as we know it today.

      Posted by Quentin George on 01/22 at 06:52 PM • #

 

    1. Wasn’t eligible to vote for Kerry, but would have if I could.

      Yup.  ‘Bout what I figured.  A blue stater at heart, since you do live in Oz.  And Dave is right, you are quoting from some handbook that is mostly in error (please do, look up DARPAnet.  Algore did not invent the INTERNET).

      Oh, and we would bitch if “Liberals” like you were never born.  Why?  ‘Cuz people aren’t the mindless sheep you believe them to be.  You want mindless sheep?  Move to North Korea.  Sounds like you would fit right in.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 01/22 at 06:55 PM • #

 

    1. I run Linux, which was built by a world-wide group of individuals in their spare time for the good of humanity.

      For fucks sake Rhys, it’s a fucking computer operating system.  Let’s not compare it to a cure for cancer.

      Posted by Quentin George on 01/22 at 06:56 PM • #

 

    1. I suggest you look up the word Dominionism. Because right now, you’re being ruled by them. Most of the senior Republicans are part of that movement, or at least pay lip service to get themselves elected in the South.

      Name names, Rhys. Or please, give us some reputable evidence for this creeping theocracy you are scared of.

      <i>Quite a few people have been locked up for being Muslim, in the wrong place at the wrong time, without access to a lawyer for years on end.</i.

      Do I smell the stench of yet another strawman being paraded around? Name a single person who has been arrested for the crime of “being a Muslim.”

      Please.

      Just one.

      Posted by Quentin George on 01/22 at 06:58 PM • #

 

    1. Yeah, I was about to say, you obviously don’t know the history of the internet. DAPRA honey. And who made all the parts in your “open PC hardware”? Were they made out of organic hemp by Guatemalans and fairly traded to socialist lesbians from Seattle for sacks of non-gmo corn? Let’s see, what else did you say that can be mocked? Oh, have you ever been to the southern part of America? I’ve been openly gay there many times (and closedly gay too, for that matter) and as far as I know, I haven’t been hung from a magnolia tree. Sure, there are scary people in the south, but there are scary people right here in south Brooklyn too. Scarier actually.

      I also love how you peace loving liberals take such delight in watching Bush try to “clean up his own mess”. It’s almost a delight for you to watch things go bad for the Iraqis so that their misery can liven up your little “Bad Bad Bush Wahh Wahh” game.

      “*You* wouldn’t be able to bitch if it wasn’t for Liberals like me”

      Wrong. We wouldn’t be able to bitch if it weren’t for liberals like Jefferson, Franklin, or FDR to name a few. If it wasn’t for liberals like you, the world would be a much brighter and freer place.

      Posted by goldsmith on 01/22 at 06:59 PM • #

 

    1. “You need to look up DARPAnet.”

      I’ve been using the Internet since 1990, kiddo.  I’m well aware of its history.  DARPA is the research arm of the US military, with most work parcelled out to universities and the like.  Including the home of the hippies, Berkeley, where most of the TCP/IP infrastructure was first developed and made popular.  BSD Sockets, anyone?  You’re probably using that hippie code on your computer right now.

      Posted by RhysW on 01/22 at 07:01 PM • #

 

    1. And here’s how the cost of the inauguration actually compares in cost to to those in the last twenty-four years (adjusted for Inflation).

      1981 Reagan $44.47 mil
      1985 Reagan $36.36 mil
      1989 Bush $47.9 mil
      1993 Clinton $44.43 mil
      1997 Clinton $36.12 mil
      2001 Bush $43.88 mil

      Posted by Quentin George on 01/22 at 07:01 PM • #

 

    1. I’m well aware of its history.

      Fooled the hell out of me.

      Posted by david on 01/22 at 07:06 PM • #

 

    1. It’s difficult to play ball when the goalposts keep getting moved, don’t you think?

      We’ve gone from:

      “I use the Internet, built by lefty academics to be open to all while the corporations tried to create proprietry networks that locked everyone in.”

      to “Yes, it was a military project, but some left-wing types did the coding”.

      Really? Well I’ll be fucking knackered. I bet some vicious right-wingers did some coding as well. What the hell does this have to do with anything? It was still a project created for the use of the military.

      And yes, it probably assisted in killing someone.

      I’m sure the hippies loved that.

      Posted by Quentin George on 01/22 at 07:14 PM • #

 

    1. “Name names, Rhys. Or please, give us some reputable evidence for this creeping theocracy you are scared of.”

      Not scared.  Concerned.  Tom DeLay, leader of the Republicans in the House, for one.  http://www.theocracywatch.org can supply you with all the names you require.  Amazing what you can find with Google.

      “Name a single person who has been arrested for the crime of “being a Muslim.” “

      Note, I said “arrested for being a Muslim in the wrong place at the wrong time”.  Perhaps you have heard of this place called Guantanamo Bay?  Take your pick amongst the names of people who were released after three years with no charges, no apology, and no due process.

      Posted by RhysW on 01/22 at 07:18 PM • #

 

    1. Tell you what, Rhys, when George W is sworn for his fourth term, I’ll bet his inauguration is just as simple as FDR’s was.

      And you’ve been using the internet since 1990.  Well, guess that makes you an expert.  When I went on in the late 1960’s it was DARPAnet, and, trust me, most of the money to build it came straight from the military-industrial complex.  Some of us were there.  We saw it.  How much of your university research was funded by the military, huh?

      The problem with trying to refute lefties is that they just pull stuff out of their *ss, then backtrack and cover like crazy when called on it.  It seems truth truly is relative with them.

      Possibly, if lefties like you would stop condescending to anyone who disagrees with you a decent conversation could ensue.  Seems pretty unlikely that the condescension will stop, though.

      Posted by JorgXMcKie on 01/22 at 07:18 PM • #

 

    1. Where, exactly, Rhys, were these innocents in Gitmo picked up?  St Louis, MO?  Maybe Chattanooga, TN?  Perhaps Berkeley?  Nope.

      If all the info you’re attempting to foist off is from the likes of theocracywatch.com, you’d better increase your order of double-strength tinfoil.  You’ll be needing it.

      Posted by JorgXMcKie on 01/22 at 07:21 PM • #

 

    1. Not scared. Concerned. Tom DeLay, leader of the Republicans in the House, for one. http://www.theocracywatch.org can supply you with all the names you require. Amazing what you can find with Google.

      I’ll repeat.  Give us some reputable evidence for this creeping theocracy you are scared of.

      A site called “theocracywatch” is already well on its way to the land of the moonbats.

      Take your pick amongst the names of people who were released after three years with no charges, no apology, and no due process.

      Give me a name, and tell me why he is innocent. How do you know anyway?

      You fucking don’t.

      You are so blinded by your anti-americanism that you just believe that those nasty Americans are imprisoning innocent Muslims.

      Posted by Quentin George on 01/22 at 07:25 PM • #

 

    1. I will bet you right here, right now, that in 2008, the US will still be a democratic republic.

      You think its about to become a theocracy? Put some money on the table.

      I’ll bet ten thousand dollars it’s not going to happen. Care for a wager?

      Posted by Quentin George on 01/22 at 07:26 PM • #

 

    1. Quentin, he probably can’t stump up the money until his Australia Council grant cheque comes in…

      Posted by ArtVandelay on 01/22 at 07:30 PM • #

 

    1. “I can’t shake the feeling that if Kerry had been elected, his response would have been to donate much of the money to tsunami relief, hold a simpler ceremony, and then move the ‘movers and shakers’ meetings off-stage.”

      In this little scenario, is he wearing a Spider-Man costume? As long as we’re discussing your fantasies.

      Although I agree that the shouting matches across dinner tables between family members are truly a sign of the End Times. It used to be you could just sit down to a nice meal. Damn you, George Bush!

      Posted by Jim Treacher on 01/22 at 07:43 PM • #

 

    1. “Give me a name, and tell me why he is innocent. How do you know anyway?”

      I believe the technical term for such an argument is “Argument from Ignorance”.  i.e. because I didn’t supply an example, then none must exist.  That is a logical fallacy.

      However, what I did do is characterise the class of people who I believe fall into this group, which is an adequate answer in the circumstances (I never claimed to be a human rights expert).  What, you can’t use Google and find the names yourself?

      “I will bet you right here, right now, that in 2008, the US will still be a democratic republic.”

      Since I’m not a sucker, I won’t be taking that bet.  You’ve picked an arbitrary date (2008), so I lose if the theocracy comes down in 2009.  I also lose if theocracywatch actually succeeds at its goal.  Which is to help society veer away before things get too stupid.

      Basically, you want me to bet against my favoured outcome (no theocracy).  Sorry, no.  I don’t bet against myself.

      What all this has to do with the inauguration and Moore, escapes me.

      Posted by RhysW on 01/22 at 07:45 PM • #

 

    1. What all this has to do with the inauguration and Moore, escapes me.

      Hey, you brought it up, not us. (Go check, we’ll wait.)

      Posted by david on 01/22 at 07:50 PM • #

 

    1. RhysW,

      Bush’s $40 million is small change. Let’s aim higher: would you prefer that the Australian government donate an extra $750 million to the affected nations or that the same amount be given to the ABC?

      Which is more important – the ABC or aid?

      Posted by tim on 01/22 at 07:53 PM • #

 

    1. What, you can’t use Google and find the names yourself?

      Why should I? You’re the one making the claim.  He who asserts, must prove it. You keep shifting the burden of proof. (“You have Google, go find the stuff to back me up!!!111)

      Basically, you want me to bet against my favoured outcome (no theocracy). Sorry, no. I don’t bet against myself.

      In other words you’re gutless, and you probably, deep down, know its not going to happen anyway…

      That is a logical fallacy.

      Well, let’s see, you’ve already committed

      A) Appeal to authority (“theocracywatch”)
      B) Appeal to Belief (I believe that they are innocent, therefore they are)
      C) Appeal to Fear (“We have to stop these Republicans before they institute a theocracy!”
      D) Multiple Appeals to Motive
      E) Appeal to Probability (“There is a slim chance that this will happen, therefore it will)
      f) Guilt by Associated (“Tom De Lay is a theocrat. Therefore all Republicans are”)
      I’m sure other commentators could point out more.

      Posted by Quentin George on 01/22 at 08:01 PM • #

 

    1. i.e. because I didn’t supply an example, then none must exist. That is a logical fallacy.
      No, but you did make the charge in the first place, and as such the burden of proof is on you.

      Since I’m not a sucker, I won’t be taking that bet. You’ve picked an arbitrary date (2008), so I lose if the theocracy comes down in 2009.
      Erm, I’m thinking he picked 2008 cause thats the last year (+3 weeks or so into 2009) that Chimply McHitler Shrub’s term in office runs to.

      Methinks we need to de-regulate the Tin-foil hat industry, the standard of product coming from the producers now is obviously not good enough.

      Posted by RhikoR on 01/22 at 08:31 PM • #

 

    1. Tim asks, “Which is more important – the ABC or aid?”

      Health and education.

      $750 million for aid does not necessarily imply that it is has to come out of the ABC’s budget.  It is a poor government that can only fund one thing at a time.

      On my personal importance scale, ABC is lower than aid, because I don’t watch the ABC much.  But neither should its funding be cut entirely.  It provides a left-of-center counterpoint to the right-of-center of the commercial networks and newspapers.  Balance is good.

      Posted by RhysW on 01/22 at 08:54 PM • #

 

    1. Whereas in Australia we have lawyers who constantly seem to represent muslims in terrorism type troubles. They appear to be Australians of perhaps lebanese background and they get wheeled out every time to complain about human rights.The media who generally regard lawyers as scumbags(unless of course they are ind relations,refugee or asylum seeker advocates, indigenous legal aid or war crimes specialists) fawn all over them and they get heaps of exposure.Just let Mr or Ms SUBURBAN holler for a lawyer.unless they have a fistful of dollars.

      Posted by crash on 01/22 at 09:06 PM • #

 

    1. Jeez, RhysW, you got your ass kicked.  Just admit it, and slink away and go wipe your bloody nose.  At my local tavern the girls would be screaming “don’t hit him anymore, you beat him up enough”.  Of course beating up a little panty-waste like you would bring no honor to a regular guy, it would be the equivalent to taking out the garbage.

      Posted by David Crawford on 01/22 at 09:36 PM • #

 

    1. ‘On my personal importance scale, ABC is lower than aid, because I don’t watch the ABC much.’

      ‘Because’ says it all.

      Posted by ilibcc on 01/22 at 09:48 PM • #

 

    1. David Crawford, “Of course beating up a little panty-waste like you would bring no honor to a regular guy, it would be the equivalent to taking out the garbage.”

      Beating up anyone, panty-waste or not, would hardly bring honor to the beater, now would it?  Resorting to violence to settle disputes is hardly the mark of an enlightened man.

      But, if you makes you feel better, I will now “slink” away.  To get a good night’s sleep, untroubled by the need to prove my manliness with Ad Hominem attacks on my peers.  ‘Night all.

      Posted by RhysW on 01/22 at 10:16 PM • #

 

    1. Don’t forget your ball.

      Posted by Jim Treacher on 01/22 at 10:51 PM • #

 

    1. Isn’t debate fun?

      Posted by Andrea Harris on 01/23 at 03:03 AM • #

 

    1. Gosh, RhysW sounds just like the pricks at my grad school.  Christ, they were a supercilious, condescending bunch, and I’m pretty sure that, in the words of DH Lawrence, “…their spunk is that watery it’s a marvel they can breed…”

      Now RhysW will point out Lawrence was talking about the effete English, instead of the effete twits of the left…

      Posted by ushie on 01/23 at 04:51 AM • #

 

    1. RhysW � “I can’t shake the feeling that if Kerry had been elected, his response would have been to donate much of the money to tsunami relief, hold a simpler ceremony, and then move the “movers and shakers” meetings off-stage.” … and I can’t shake the feeling you haven’t been paying attention for the last thirty years…

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 01/23 at 06:48 AM • #

 

    1. Tim asks, “Which is more important – the ABC or aid?”

      Health and education.
      That doesn’t answer the question.

      $750 million for aid does not necessarily imply that it is has to come out of the ABC’s budget. It is a poor government that can only fund one thing at a time.
      Nor should the private donations made for the inauguration necessarily have to be donated to aid. Particularly when they were made for the express purpose of paying for the inauguration. Like you said, “It is a poor government that can only fund one thing at a time”

      It provides a left-of-center counterpoint
      So you admit that the ABC has a leftist bias. Thankyou for your honesty.

      counterpoint to the right-of-center of commercial networks and newspapers
      Admittedly we do need an alternative to the bastions of biased journalism that are:
      The Sydney Morning Herald
      The Age
      MSNBC
      (US)ABC
      CNN
      CBS
      NY Times
      LA Times
      Washington Post
      Boston Herald
      BBC
      Al-Jazeera
      PBS.
      Do you know who that is?
      It aint the Australian Bolshevik Collective champ, Nor is it Indymedia, or Green Left Weekly. I’m a generous chap so i’ll give you a hint.
      You guys are trying to ban its namesake from being hunted in Britain.

      Posted by RhikoR on 01/23 at 07:28 AM • #

 

    1. I said, “Why, I dare say you couldn’t bitch about corporations on a computer if not for corporations.”

      Rhys pathetically replied, “I run Linux, which was built by a world-wide group of individuals in their spare time for the good of humanity. I use open PC hardware, based on open standards that corporations normally don’t like because it drives their profits down. I use the Internet, built by lefty academics to be open to all while the corporations tried to create proprietry networks that locked everyone in.”

      You’ve been set straight on the military origins of the Internet. And I was talking about your COMPUTER, Reesey. You know – the hard drive, the monitor, the keyboard, the mouse. Invented and built by eeeevil corporations. Stop being an ingrate. If the world were run by you and your lot, we’d be living in huts and dying of appendicitis.

      Posted by Dave S. on 01/23 at 10:08 AM • #

 

    1. “I suggest you look up the word Dominionism”

      I suggest you look up “Freemasons”, “Illuminati”, “Trilateral Commission”, and “Roswell.”

      Posted by Dave S. on 01/23 at 10:27 AM • #

 

    1. Let’s see, he runs in and squats out the biggest heaping, steaming pile of hyperbolic outrage that he can, calls it an “argument” and then acts indignant when no one addresses him on his “merits”.

      Why is he still here?  Are we having fun yet?

      Posted by Sortelli on 01/23 at 11:30 AM • #

 

    1. Man, RhysW is gonna need a crowbar to get that copy of the Utne Reader out of his cloaca.

      Posted by Rob C. on 01/23 at 11:31 AM • #

 

    1. Why is he still here? Are we having fun yet?

      I think he’s run away crying, Sortelli.

      And really, if this whole thing doesn’t prove to me that politics is circular, and eventually the far-right and far-left hold hands and join together in an orgy of Neo-con-Zionist hatred.

      I mean, fer christsake? Bush is going to institute a theocracy? That’s as tinfoiled hat as you can get. It’s like the right-wing wackjobs who huddled in their bomb shelters fearful that Clinton was going to institute martial law, complete with Chinese troops and black helicopters…

      Posted by Quentin George on 01/23 at 11:38 AM • #

 

  1. If he is sobbing big wet snotty tears right now, then I am having fun, I guess.  🙂

    Posted by Sortelli on 01/23 at 12:54 PM • #