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Further to the NYT’s trail of death, here’s the WSJ:
A platoon of Times reporters “found 121 cases in which veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan committed a killing in this country, or were charged with one, after their return from war.”
The Times didn’t try to establish a causal relationship between war service and homicide. It didn’t even try to establish a correlation. The 7,000-word article contained no statistics on the size of the veteran population, or on the prevalence of homicide either in the general population or among young men, who are disproportionately represented among active-duty and recently discharged service members.
Various commentators performed their own back-of-the-envelope calculations, including Ralph Peters of the New York Post, who estimates that if the Times figures are accurate, recent war vets are only about one-fifth as likely to be implicated in a homicide as the average 18- to 34-year-old.
Which leads to a fine suggestion from John Hinderaker:
Next time, why don’t they undertake a research project to identify all murders and other forms of homicide committed (or allegedly committed–no finding of guilt necessary!) by people who are, or recently have been, employed by newspaper companies?
It would appear that the NYT is anti-military. Shit, even the lefty marchers are holding placards that say “SUPPORT THE SOLIDERS”.
Posted by wronwright on 2008 01 16 at 09:20 AM • permalink
The NYT reporters were engaging in the same tired smear campaign many of the media have been involved in.
It would have been nice (and a refreshing change!) for them to have worked out the statistics in total, as well as consider the rest of the facts. But knowing what you’re talking about, that’s not real journalism these days is it?
for anyone stressed by these lies and distortions Id suggest a nice game of this.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2008 01 16 at 09:45 AM • permalink
With the WSJ taking them to the woodshed I wonder how many other mainstream outlets will as well. Of course I don’t think the NYT will change it’s stripes any time soon because of this either but some good wall-to-wall counseling sure would feel good!!!
Nice to see you Tim 🙂
Posted by Old Tanker on 2008 01 16 at 10:01 AM • permalink
Thank God we still have some first-rate journalists.
I see that the NYT employs the same statisticians as the Lancet.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 01 16 at 10:07 AM • permalink
Ah ha!
A new post, obviously from deep within the infirmary. Oh yes, it seems obvious at first that Tim has equipped himself with a laptop computer, complete with wireless hot-spot connectivity.
But in a world first, this is no ordinary framework of source, message, channel and receiver.
In pre-op readiness, Tim is now beaming ideas out via the internet through what can only be described as a network of minds, or Interminds. How is this possible? Thanks to scientific advancements and patented nano-technology, a bolus of radio-marked Perception Activated Cognitive Output™ miniature transmitters has been orally ingested by the patient in a plastic cup of kool-aid.
For the first time ever, right here on the internet, patient Tim will be able to broadcast thoughts, even as doctors are operating, such as… “I’m unconscious now, it’s very dark and I can’t feel anything”.
miniature transmitters has been orally ingested by the patient
Splice, I saw that movie as a kid. Had Raquel Welch et al. miniaturized in some sort of pod, puttering through a fellow’s bloodstream.
Posted by Rittenhouse on 2008 01 16 at 10:43 AM • permalink
For the first time ever, right here on the internet, patient Tim will be able to broadcast thoughts
Tim, don’t drink it! Last year paco’s laboratory scientists “tested” their invention on a few unsuspecting and innocent persons at VRWC HQ. Without our permission I might add.
One of the unfortunates, whose name I will keep confidential, had a dream broadcasted on this blog. One that involved a romantic picnic lunch in a meadow lying beside a placid pond with: Margo Kingston. It was bad enough when he woke up the next day, thoroughly shaken and questioning his manhood. He was absolutely horrified when he found out it was shown on the Jumbotron in the VRWC Control Room – in real time.
Posted by wronwright on 2008 01 16 at 11:13 AM • permalink
#16: Wronwright: I laughed uncontrollably was appalled by the images of that dream, as they paraded – or rather, thrashed – across the screen. The whole thing was a bizarre mixture of the grittily realistic (small mammals fleeing in terror from the banks of the pond), the surreal (sex with Margo), and the physically impossible (sex with Margo). What I found particularly odd was the love-talk: an incongruous farrago of references to “accelerated depreciation” and “corporate tax rates” and “Cincinnati chili”. Good thing that the dream was in first person, i.e., seen through the eyes of the dreamer, so that we don’t know who the unfortunate fellow was.
Remember those “night dreams” all male teenagers had? They invariably involved one or more beautiful woman, such as a movie or TV star (think Barbara Eden and Elizabeth Montgomery, together, the first in a diaphanous genie outfit, the second in a baby doll nightie). This was NOT one of those dreams.
Or, at least, that’s what that unnamed person told me.
Posted by wronwright on 2008 01 16 at 12:11 PM • permalink
#21: Oh, no, Splice, not at all. Heh. Calm yourself, Old Top.
Splice is relieved to hear the news and relaxes . . . relaxes . . . “That’s odd. There’s a slight, and strangely pleasurable, buzzing in my head. And . . . I’m suddenly overwhelmed by the desire to buy . . . Paco products. Lots and lots of Paco products. Must . . . break out . . . credit card . . . go to . . . Paco . . . products . . . online . . . store. Ahhhh! “Special no-money-back guarantee” . . . Two . . . of everything. . . should do it . . .
- I was gonna say something pithy (to me at least) about the NYT doing this crap all the time until paco started that hypnosis.
No, I don’t want a Projectile Activated Colon Organizer… oh, shit. Now I want two…Posted by Gary from Jersey on 2008 01 16 at 02:21 PM • permalink
Paco has a clearance on tin hats, missred, but they won’t work either.
Posted by Gary from Jersey on 2008 01 16 at 02:38 PM • permalink
Ahhh. Tim’s posting again, and the Blairites are falling like mead-soaked barflies for Paco Products. All’s right with the world.
I had a dream once. I dreamed I was being chased by a Purchase-Activated Consumer Organism. It was horri— wait a minute! Maybe it’s not a drea— That’s funny, I have this sudden urge to go to Paco’s Cantina for a couple of Quixote Specials and a mug of Cerveza de Hemmingway.
Ah, I see blogstrop is making a valiant attempt to take this comment thread from Paco Infomercials and direct it back onto the topic of the NYT debacle. That’s very brave of you blogstrop. Dangerous, yes. But brave.
Posted by wronwright on 2008 01 16 at 05:00 PM • permalink
I always have imagined paco industries as the M & M Enterprises of our age.
“But how do you make any money buying eggs for 2 cents and selling them for 1.5 cents each?”
“Because I don’t buy them for 2 cents each. I buy them for 1 cent each, then ….”
…. the rest involves something about flying them to different cities and mark ups, but I don’t want to give paco any ideas now!
The NYT article is all about looking after the Vets. They are trying to say there are potentially 1.5 million rambos waiting to explode, so you better be nice to the Vets. I think they are doing returned Vets a huge service! See, you just need to read the article with these here funny looking glasses (wait, is that “paco” written on the side?), and it’s all good.
“#16, and what an entertaining broadcast it was, wronwright!”
I saw it on the VRWC Network, and yes, it was quite amusing. Though I’m still trying to figure out just why there was a tub of whipped cream and 15 liters of tequila.
Posted by Urbs in Horto on 2008 01 16 at 06:08 PM • permalink
Oh, and speaking of the NY Times, does anyone remember the Data Enrichment Method described in the Journal of Irreproducible Results? Looks like the Times and the Lancet both have been using it nonstop lately.
Posted by Urbs in Horto on 2008 01 16 at 06:10 PM • permalink
#2 – Sorry about the delay here..
I suspect when you see a lefty holding a “Support the SOLIDERS” placard he is infact NOT meaning OUR troops.
Posted by curious george on 2008 01 16 at 06:26 PM • permalink
The NYT is working on its ex war on terror veteran stereotype. Once this has been established, it will be left to Hollywood to perpetuate it for the next 20 years. Then there will be fit of remorse, the veterans will be welcomed back followed by a swag of Hollywood films about American soldiers saving Iraqis rather than the present batch of rape and atrocity films.
Ralph Peters of the New York Post, who estimates that if the Times figures are accurate, recent war vets are only about one-fifth as likely to be implicated in a homicide as the average 18- to 34-year old.
When If (due to the above) the NYT revise the suggestion implicit in their article it could lead to the following headline:
CONSCRIPTION INTRODUCED AS ANTI CRIME MEASURE
P.S Does anyone know why is there a massive pile of plastic turkeys in my living room with a receipt from PACO products? Did I buy these?
These people bleat about America’s tarnished image around the world when it is this kind of bullshit article that causes it. This story has been published all over the world and I guarantee you not one of the news outlets that carried it will publish anything that puts it in the right perspective. I see this all the time where perfectly rational people in other countries believe this far left crap because that is all they get from the media, generally pulled directly from the likes of the NYT. They never hear the opposing view point, correction or clarification.
Posted by alien kiwi on 2008 01 16 at 06:28 PM • permalink
SciFi channel does some community service announcements. One of them is (paraphrased):
Safety Tip #78. If it has eyes in the back of its head, don’t try to sneak up behind it.
This applies to the NYT and their current attempt at sneaking up on a prey item.
This current generation of soldiers are fully aware of the treachery and deceitful, near total lack of honor and/or integrity of the msm in regards to the US in general and the military specifically.
- #49 Grimmy, do you think our young people, with their lives on the line over there, might make these bullshit stats come true in a sense by beating seven colours of shit out of any NYT journo they come across?
We used to fantasize doing the same to unionists during the ‘Nam police action when we didn’t get any food, booze, mail or ammo.
spot, your linky is bad, ya gots an extra “http//”. Try this linky.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 01 16 at 11:45 PM • permalink
PS: Good article at your linky, spot! Thanks!
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 01 16 at 11:46 PM • permalink
TRJ, sorry about that chief – thanks for fixing it for me!
Posted by spot_the_dog on 2008 01 16 at 11:53 PM • permalink
Paco, as long as you’re here, could you please explain the black helicopters hovering over my house pelting my roof and garden with… are those acorns?
Posted by spot_the_dog on 2008 01 17 at 12:39 AM • permalink
Hey, put that rolled-up newspaper away. Already been got once by the_real_jeffs @53!
Posted by spot_the_dog on 2008 01 17 at 02:56 AM • permalink
“been got” … oops, can youse tell I did went to a Publik Skool?
Posted by spot_the_dog on 2008 01 17 at 02:57 AM • permalink
My wife preferred Bill’s version: Out, damned Spot! out, I say!
And you’re not an idiot, you loser. 😉
Posted by spot_the_dog on 2008 01 17 at 03:17 AM • permalink
- Posted by mr creosote on 2008 01 17 at 05:10 AM • permalink
#Wronwright. I remember clearly the teenage dreams but what I don’t understand is how Barbara Eden could be in mine and in yours, unless…you don’t mean….and Raquel?? and the chick in F Troop…and Jane Fonda…and Delvene Delaney…I’m devastated. I thought I was the only 15 year old who showed them any long distance affection.
I was this// close to reading your “showed them any long distance affection” as “showered them with my long distance affection”.
/although either may be accurate.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2008 01 17 at 07:44 AM • permalink
- Posted by wronwright on 2008 01 17 at 10:20 AM • permalink
Hmmm. From wikipedia:
The Paul Hogan Show aired on Australian television from 1973 until 1984. It made a star out of Paul Hogan who later appeared in Crocodile Dundee. Hogan’s friend and producer of Crocodile Dundee John Cornell, also appeared in the show, as Strop. The series also regularly featured attractive female models and actors in its sketches – frequently in revealing costumes. Television actor and presenter Delvene Delaney who later married Cornell, was the most frequent and best-known of these. Other women to appear in the series were Sue McIntosh, Anya Saleky and Abigail.
Yes, yes. This is all beginning to make sense. An Australian version of Benny Hill.
Posted by wronwright on 2008 01 17 at 10:31 AM • permalink
The truth is women like Barbara Eden, and Delvene Delaney, and Barbara Bain (remember her?), and Mary Tyler Moore (in both the role of Laura Petrie and Mary Richards), and Hayley Mills (yes, Hayley Mills, get over it!), and Raquel Welch, and all the girls on The Benny Hill Show were in all teenage boys’ dreams. In essence, they were “dream sluts”.
On the other hand, they were very nice and friendly to every young male. We owe them a great deal.
Posted by wronwright on 2008 01 17 at 12:55 PM • permalink
Oh shit, wouldn’t you know it. Instapundit linked to Tim’s comment. And here we are discussing paco’s sale strategy involving mind control technology and teenage boys’ night dream women. I have to blame Bush for this. Or at least mehaul.
People, let’s get back on topic so visitors don’t think we’re a bunch of know nothing layabouts who drink bitter and argue over cricket all day.
Um, what was it anyway?
Posted by wronwright on 2008 01 17 at 01:13 PM • permalink
And, OH NO! I discussed that dream that involved Margo Kingston! And millions of conservatives and liberatarians will read about it. Liberatarians!
Andrea! Please erase this thread!
Posted by wronwright on 2008 01 17 at 01:16 PM • permalink
Oddly enough, I am not really heavily concerned about shoddy, anti-vet journalism from the NYT. They simply regurgitate the tropes their readers already have installed in their craniums.
Those that know us, can simply shake their heads and say “I don’t know any vets that have killed anyone”. I get more pissed off when they try to paint us as mentally disturbed, dysfunctional, homeless bums.
Since their circulation and influence have been falling, I doubt this tired old storyline will spread as far as it once would have…
Say, does PACO make any Portable Anti-Coalition Obstructors? I’d like something a little extra to stop anyone from trying to blow me up or shoot me. Thanks.
Posted by Major John on 2008 01 17 at 01:32 PM • permalink
Speaking of out-of-the-bag classified projects, Wronwright, about that R.U.S. breeding program …
In. Sta. Lanche.
Ixnay on the VRWC progams nay. Especially, um, certain ones. And straighten up this place. Reynolds’ readers might be reading us.
Why hasn’t Andrea erased that Margo comment yet? Can’t rely on her for nothin.
Posted by wronwright on 2008 01 17 at 03:19 PM • permalink
#73 Major John: Paco Enterprises’ defense industry subsidiary, Praise Allah Combat Ordnance, is already providing strong support to the coalition by only selling to islamicists – things like bazookas with u-shaped barrels, TOW missile launchers based on “paddle-ball” technology, boomerang grenades, and the famous “OK-47” assault rifle (with the little flag that pops out saying “Ok, I’m screwed”).
*looks around* *begins kicking empty bottles and cans under the Bird of Prey’s cloaking field*
. o O (must distract … back on topic …)
It would be interesting, too, to see rates of gun ownership (which is probably higher among veterans) factored into this equation. I suspect it would make further hash of certain lefty shibboleths.
. o O (Flying Monkey merlot? what the hell?)
- *trixi walks into the room in her french maid outfit – the one with the cute hat to match – and with speed and efficiency cleans up the place for the libertarian lawyer types. she smiles graciously as she offers them mini maryland crab cakes with cornichon remoulade and champagne.
glares at wronwright for making her drop everything to come to his rescue
but its all for her beloved boss, tim*
The NYT mentality is an exact repeat of the pacifist intellectuals in Britain before WW2 – the notorious Oxford debate where the pro side won with ‘I will never fight for my King and Country’.
Adds to the eerie feeling that we are repeating that whole decade, except for the recession, which was their excuse later….
- Who was it that said when you ban guns only the criminals end up having them?
These guys had to have guns to rob a couple of old people. The SMH fails to mention that their accents suggested MOMEA. The fatc that there were three and they all had guns might have suggested this too.
Howard’s rather extreme gun laws still have wide support from the left, although the right might see it differently.
WSJ = Washington Science Journal?
They certainly apply critical reasoning; an important invention of Western Civilization, and none other, which is being abandoned in droves by the “bien-ponces”.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2008 01 17 at 08:47 PM • permalink
Related news: http://www.quickrob.com/weblog/?p=1184
All these studies seem pretty fishy
Yes it is funny. I’m not sure she is a “fine journalist” but for me, I saw someone working in a pressure cooker obliged to provide “informed comment” as well as “the news”. She did OK as far as I saw.
Mind you, I’d like to get in her pants, but I digress. Seriously, she did as well as any other “news anchor”. The problem is the TV NEWS programs, which must deliver NEWS, DRAMATIC NEWS, each and every hour. Did you not notice near the start, where she changed “the pentagon released statement or footage or whatever” to “the pentagon released DRAMATIC whatever”. Her job is to make THE NEWS spicey.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2008 01 17 at 09:11 PM • permalink
The Minister for plastic bags.
Oh, so good. The PM of Great Britain, Gordon Brown, has actually made a speech on this, a MAJOR speech, full of political importance.
Obviously the world has advanced so much that peace reigns throughout, and all are surfing the web, that the biggest problem national governments can find to wrestle to the ground….is … plastic bags! Does ayone want to larf…(or barf)…?
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2008 01 17 at 09:25 PM • permalink
Why not do a study on the number of subscribers to the NYT who die (eventually). Its an astonishing 100% OMG!!!! NYT ought to be banned right now!!! Obviously something in their paper is causing people to die.
Posted by Wylie Wilde on 2008 01 17 at 11:58 PM • permalink
- Given that Arthur “Pinch” Sulzberger Jr., publisher of the Times, once said during the Vietnam War that if a North Vietnamese soldier ran into an American soldier, he’d rather see the American soldier shot, none of the NYT’s antipathy to vets is that surprising. At least Jane Fonda (sort of) apologised for some of her more extreme statements.
(link via Bob Owens)Posted by spot_the_dog on 2008 01 18 at 12:58 AM • permalink
Good to have you back and blogging so quickly. The VRWC just wasn’t as much fun without you after all.