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Regular commenter saltydog:
The first article I read today was about Bush offering nuclear technology to Iran. Then I got a call from my sister that my nephew was killed in action today.
Read the whole thing. Salty, deepest sympathies from your friends in Australia.
UPDATE. Commenter stats sends a note to salty: “You break our hearts with love. Keep up the good work for us and your courageous family.” Thousands of amens to that.
UPDATE II. Ben Johnson: “If Bill Clinton had unveiled George W. Bush’s Iran policy, we would have called it appeasement.”
- My deepest sympathies for your loss and your nephew’s sacrifice.Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 06 07 at 09:31 AM • permalink
- You hit a few nails on the head about the appeasment factions within Australia and the US I think.
For my 2 bobs worth I hope Bush is just giving the EU and UN enough rope to hang themselves. Iran will play the diplomacy game until they feel secure, then throw it all back into the faces of the so called “peace” lobbies.
Again sorry for your loss.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 06 07 at 09:44 AM • permalink
- They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.But where our desires are and our hopes profound,
Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight,
To the innermost heart of their own land they are known
As the stars are known to the Night;As the stars that shall be bright when we are dust,
Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain;
As the stars that are starry in the time of our darkness,
To the end, to the end, they remain.Posted by Whale Spinor on 2006 06 07 at 09:47 AM • permalink
- I’m so very sorry for you and your family. I presume that it was in Iraq? I hope you guys can take some solace from the fact that he died for a noble cause.
“Greater love hath no man than he who layeth down his life for another.”
John 15:13Posted by Mr Snuffalupagus on 2006 06 07 at 09:49 AM • permalink
- My condolences, saltydog.
No need to apologize. You merely speak the truth, something that we all need to hear.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 06 07 at 09:51 AM • permalink
- A grieving heart has strengthened a fine mind. Thank you for your example.Posted by chinesearithmetic on 2006 06 07 at 09:59 AM • permalink
- Sincere sympathy.Posted by Susan Norton on 2006 06 07 at 10:15 AM • permalink
- Our condolences, saltydog.
And our sincerest thanks.
Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2006 06 07 at 10:18 AM • permalink
- Saltydog,
Take as long as you need. I doubt Tim is going anywhere anytime soon, or his commentors. We’ll be here when you’re ready to return
Posted by mythusmage on 2006 06 07 at 10:43 AM • permalink
- As I said below, my sincere condolences for you and your sister.
Elizabeth
Imperial KeeperPosted by Elizabeth Imperial Keeper on 2006 06 07 at 10:51 AM • permalink
- Saltydog,
Whenever loss occurs in war it becomes difficult to see what purpose that loss serves and when there seem to be no signs of victory the temptation to give in to frustration can be overwhelming. I have seen this with soldiers in the combat zone and it is difficult to talk of the larger strategic imperatives at those times-the heart will always overrule the head in the short term. But we will not have many moments that signal a clear victory in this conflict, no “marching through Paris” or “Battleship Missouri” against our current foe. Our enemies know this and construct their strategy accordingly, relying on what they perceive as our lack of will.
It has now been almost five years since September 11th, but I think we all have vivid memories of that day. When the first plane hit it wasn’t immediately clear to me what was happening and I went to my first class of the day. As students started to dribble in more details began to emerge and I understood that we were at war with all that that implied: I knew that there would be war with whoever sponsored this (though at the time I did not know who that was), I knew that there would be war between Israel and the Palestinians, and I knew that we would have to depose Saddam because he was our avowed enemy and in wartime you cannot allow your enemies the freedom to plot against you.
By the time I went to my second class all of this was clear in my mind, but I was still agitated over the events of the morning so I dismissed my class. I remember distinctly one of my students exclaiming “I am not going to fight in any war”. Now, I swallowed hard and let it pass, but it was troubling. Thousands of Americans were dead and we were facing the most serious crisis for our nation in some time and this person’s only thought was for himself. In retrospect I should have told the little shit that no one was asking him to and that he was unworthy of the sacrifices of those who would go to fight in the coming war.
I assume that your nephew either enlisted or reenlisted after September 11th. So all I can say is that he obviously knew what was required of him-where his duty lay-and he did not shrink from it. What more can you say of a man? I honor his sacrifice and the fact that millions-and not just in America-are unworthy of that sacrifice does nothing to cheapen it. Winning or losing against those we fight in Iraq, Afghanistan and many other places matters more than most now understand, but we must win or else the forces which stand in direct opposition to all those things that the west stands for will be greatly strengthened.
I am sorry if the tone of this message has been blunt. You have my most sincere condolences.
- Deepest sympathy to you and your family, Saltydog. I flew my flag yesterday to commemorate D-Day. I raised it again today in honor of your nephew and his sacrifice.Posted by Polish Frizzle on 2006 06 07 at 12:25 PM • permalink
- #21 91B30 – How beautifully put. How absolutely, beautifully put.
I remember reading somewhere that however short a man’s life, or whatever kind of life he has led, in the end he can at least die well. Your nephew may not have had a long life, Salty, but imagine the intensity and heroism and nobility of that life, as short as it may have been. There are those of us who may live to be ninety who’s earthly span will not have been even a fraction as useful and noble and heroic as that of your nephew.
- Saltydog
I am so sorry. I cannot find the words to express the sorrow. As most regulars here know I am not very articulate in expressing things so I can only follow what others have said.
El Cid at 14 and 91B30 come closest to expressing what I feel. As Blue Hen points out, we are a family here.
May God watch over you and your family and guide you at this time.
- Salty, sincere condolences on the loss in your family. We feel it here, too.
This was the poem we read for my dad, one of his favorites.
In Flanders Fields
By: Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae, MD (1872-1918)
Canadian ArmyIN FLANDERS FIELDS the poppies blow
Between the crosses row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.G-d bless you and yours, Salty.
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- Once again saltydog, my deepest sympathies to you, your sister and family. It doesn’t matter we likely have never met. This has saddened me as if we were old friends.
I keep thinking that it was just a few days ago we had to see off some unworthy piece of trash who had come here to gloat at the finest and most noble of men and women who have willingly put themselves in harm’s way to stand between him and those who would cut his throat. Like all wars this is a time for cowards and worse and they seem to be everywhere. They will learn the cost if they get their way and we were to lose the war.
But it is also a time for heroes. Like your nephew. Because of him and others like him, and with God’s grace, we have the chance to honour them forever in freedom and peace.
All the very best to you and yours.
- saltydog,
Auntie KC took the words out of my mouth. I was just introducing my son to the poem this past Memorial Day. I think it bears repeating:Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch, be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.I have the great fortune to live in a country that is protected by people like your nephew, and populated by families like yours who are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice so that I may live in peace and freedom.
With deepest thanks and sympathies, our prayers are with you and your family.
NMP
Posted by Not My Problem on 2006 06 07 at 01:43 PM • permalink
- Condolences, Saltydog, to you and your family. I salute your nephew for choosing to serve and for his service. Seldom have so many asked so much of so few. And never have those few responded with more courage and sense of purpose. God bless and keep them all and may He hold your nephew in the palm of His hand.
Tony Blankley has some on-target thoughts about the unprecendented nature of the sacrifice we ask today:
It is particularly commendable of our American troops that they willingly go into battle under such restrictive rules of engagement that they are required to constantly risk their own lives in order not to offend civilians/terrorists(?) until they are almost sure they are really combatants.
No other military force in history has been so tightly limited in its defensive actions. And probably no other military force has been sufficiently disciplined to maintain such restrictive rules in the heat of combat. God bless our troops—if not necessarily the policy that so restricts them.
For the parents, wives, husbands and children of our young warriors who are killed because they followed the restrictive rules and didn’t fire first, this is a damned bitter pill to swallow—whatever the geopolitical wisdom of it.
A damned bitter pill indeed. I pray the good Lord will provide succor and comfort to the family members and friends who struggle to come to terms with such devastating loss.
More than an end to war, we want an end to the beginnings of all wars.
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 06 07 at 03:00 PM • permalink
- My condolences, saltydog. We are all grateful to your family for your sacrifice.Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 06 07 at 03:23 PM • permalink
- Dear Saltydog,
My prayers and thoughts are with you and yours.God bless you all, and God be with you.
I am not eloquent at times like this, and others have already expressed themselves, so I’ll close off now.
Sending lots of hugs you way, because you can never have enough.
nilk.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 06 07 at 04:56 PM • permalink
- Salty
tears for your nephew
I hope you have someone close, to hold if you need to, and to hold you
see you soon
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.
- Saltydog
It is because of resolve and sacrifice like this that my family lives in peace.
My sincere condolences to you and your family.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 06 07 at 06:51 PM • permalink
- saltydog- Words fail… Condolences and sincerest sympathy to you and your family. God be with you.Posted by nofixedabode on 2006 06 07 at 07:16 PM • permalink
- Dear Saltydog:
I have enjoyed your erudite comments for years. Know that you and your family, especially your brave nephew are in our prayers.
My father died recently and though I’m not a particularly religious person this oldie comforted me and I hope it will you and your family:
“The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want.
He makes me lie down in green pastures;
he leads me beside still waters; he restoreth my soul. He leads me in right paths for his name’s sake;Even though I walk through the darkest valley, I shall fear no evil;
for thou art with me;
your rod and staff—they comfort me.You preparedest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies; thou annoint my head with oil, my cup overfloweth.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me, all the days of my life,
and I shall dwell in the house of the Lord my whole life long.
Psalm 23
My best thoughts to you and yours during this trying time.
Posted by Kathy from Austin on 2006 06 07 at 09:46 PM • permalink
- My sympathy to you and yours, saltydog.Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 06 07 at 10:18 PM • permalink
“If Bill Clinton had unveiled George W. Bush’s Iran policy, we would have called it appeasement.”
Guess Ben Johnson should ask Kim Jong Il and the ever vibrant people of North Korea. Clinton’s way worked there real well…have a picture of Madeline Albright clinking glasses with Jong Il and what I assume was at least day old aged, North Korean champagne.
Now one must understand that North Korea has NO oil, so I believe the deal with Persia, will work out infinitely better.
Now that that is dispensed with, I have this bridge, it a quite lovely bridge and…..
- Day is done, gone the sun,
From the hills, from the lake,
From the sky.
All is well, safely rest,
God is nigh.Go to sleep, peaceful sleep,
May the soldier or sailor,
God keep.
On the land or the deep,
Safe in sleep.Love, good night, Must thou go,
When the day, And the night
Need thee so?
All is well. Speedeth all
To their rest.Fades the light; And afar
Goeth day, And the stars
Shineth bright,
Fare thee well; Day has gone,
Night is on.Thanks and praise, For our days,
‘Neath the sun, Neath the stars,
‘Neath the sky,
As we go, This we know,
God is nigh.
- Addamo: I’m proud of you.Posted by Kathy from Austin on 2006 06 08 at 12:01 AM • permalink
- Saltydog: Deepest sympathies to you, your sister, and the rest of your family. Be assured your nephew’s sacrifice was for a noble cause and there are many of us who appreciate it beyond words.Posted by Tommy Shanks on 2006 06 08 at 01:26 AM • permalink
- Someone should explain to Ben that Bush’s Iraq policy is appeasement, too. First, he kicked the Sunnis out of the government. Now, he demands that they be kicked back in.
And screw the Kurds.
Posted by Harry Eagar on 2006 06 08 at 04:00 AM • permalink
- Saltydog, my thoughts and prayers are with you and your loved ones.Posted by Art Vandelay on 2006 06 08 at 07:58 AM • permalink
- Ah, saltydog . . .
Two days ago I lifted a glass for a neighbor, now gone to his reward, a small (5’5” , 130# or so) farmer who physically humped ammo across Europe from D-day on, mostly for Patton. He NEVER,EVER said anything except that there are times when men (and I think today he would merely say humans or people) must do what they can to conquer evil.
I would think your nephew was similar. Two of my great-grandfathers survived combat in the Civil War. One grandfather survived combat in WWI. My father survived combat in the South Pacific from the Solomons to nearly the end. I was lucky, as was my son and my cousins and nephews not to have to face combat, partly due to those who fought before and those like your nephew who stepped up to the challenge that we didn’t have to.
We can never, never repay him or your family for the sacrifice made, but we can honor it so long as we live.
“Greater love” indeed.
My most sincere condolences.
Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2006 06 08 at 01:07 PM • permalink
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A rallying cry for personal freedom if ever I heard one. And again, my deepest sympathies for the loss of that gallant young man.