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Take a look at these two:
If you’re thinking they look like the type who might be hyper-alert to any perceived infringement of their rights and always prepared to press charges, you’re right.
We can now officially hold the wake for England. Whatever was left of that once great nation is dead.
Lyle, could you please say a few words over the corpse.
<bows head in silence>Posted by joe bagadonuts on 2007 11 30 at 08:39 AM • permalink
Mr Steele reads all about the detestable racist Mick Forsythe and his car-crushing RWDB killing machine in the Daily Mail.
Uncle Fester has a girlfriend!Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2007 11 30 at 09:02 AM • permalink
Is that a wart on her schnozz? (rhetorical question)
No No…Here. Is that a schnozz on her wart? (not a rhetorical question)
Christ, she could be mistaken for a submarine, with it’s periscope up, in the water.
When she turns to gaze upon one…One should say, it isn’t nice to point.
Bet you ciggies don’t get wet, huh?
Better stick to cigars, they’re longer.
Although, she does have nice lips and would look great while…Nevermind.
Gavin, what can one say about, Gavin. Nothing!
They have a tatoo parlo(u)r? Since when are tatted folks crybabies? Makes me proud I never got one.Posted by dean martin on 2007 11 30 at 09:13 AM • permalink
Uncle Fester? My first thought was Mr. Clean. Gavin doesn’t wear an ear ring, (and he owns a tat parlor?) nor does he smile.
So yeah, it’s uncle Fester
Fair enough…if you can name an empire has has a higher body count (apart from the American, of course) then this would obviously be a horrible travesty. Aside from that, I encourage the assembled wingnuts to post their oh-so-attractive personal photo’s…
Enjoy the next ten year’s as the 21st Century’s Timothy McVeigh’s cheer squad…
Not totally OT: Political Correctness Gone Mad from the B3ta Question of the Week. (Skip the first one, it’s a bit of a wank.)Posted by We apologise for the inconvenience. on 2007 11 30 at 09:44 AM • permalink
The hypocrite makes his appearance, like the turd from the ass of bin Laden hisself. No, we celebrate McVeigh’s execution as much as you worship the 19 hijackers of 9/11.Posted by dean martin on 2007 11 30 at 09:46 AM • permalink
I disagree, the precedent has been set! The very next time I walk down Mitchell St in Darwin and a person “of no fixed address” accosts me and yells “Hey Whitey! Give me $2 you white c*&t!” I’ll be straight off to the Magistrate’s Court and filing for racial discrimination. Goose, Gander etc.Posted by Richard Sharpe on 2007 11 30 at 10:15 AM • permalink
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Just as long as you realise that human rights are as foreign to Stalinism as they and democracy are to the US empire.
Oh, fuck off. The “US empire” sure has stifled your ability to spout the garbage you call your opinions, hasn’t it?
Sometimes I think we should act the way retards like Gehlen say we do. But that quickly passes, not just because it’s repulsive, but also because I realize that what those retards are doing is striking a pose to make their worthless lives seem important, while they studiously ignore the real evil in the world. Much safer to oppose an imaginary tyranny than to stand against the real thing, eh?Posted by Rob Crawford on 2007 11 30 at 10:34 AM • permalink
#39. “Much safer to oppose an imaginary tyranny than to stand against the real thing, eh?”
Well, hell yeah, it sure is! Now, lets tally up the death’s from Islamic ‘terrorism’ compared to those caused by US interventions…I’ll see you 2 million dead in Vietnam and raise you another million in Laos/Cambodia…
Btw, how’s it going opposing tyranny in your suburb..?
.if you can name an empire has has a higher body count (apart from the American, of course) …
Non-sequitur alert, folks! Gehlen clearly doesn’t like us wingnuts bashing his fellow idiots. Boo hoo, sweetheart.
BTW….I name the Soviet Union. And that was a REAL empire, unlike the fantasy world you and your fellow leftards live in.Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 11 30 at 10:43 AM • permalink
“After 589, the Christian Visigoths of Hispania persecuted the Jews severely; therefore, the Jews welcomed the Muslim Arab and mainly Berber conquerors in the 8th century. The conquered cities of Córdoba, Málaga, Granada, Seville, and Toledo were briefly placed under the control of the Jewish inhabitants, who had been armed by the Moorish invaders. The victors removed the Christian Visigoths’ oppressive restrictions and granted the Jews full religious liberty, requiring them only to pay the tribute of one golden dinar per capita(Jizya).”
…because I realize that what those retards are doing is striking a pose to make their worthless lives seem important, while they studiously ignore the real evil in the world. Much safer to oppose an imaginary tyranny than to stand against the real thing, eh?
Nicely said, Rob. Gehlen is another loser, living in a fantasy world where he’s a super important person fighting the good fight against an evil empire….largely because he’s afraid to face the real evil. It’s easier (and safer) to sneer at countries that won’t shoot him for expressing his “dissent”.
A clueless idiot practicing moral equivalism, and an apologist for terrorism and murder.
And boringly unoriginal to boot. At least Miranda Divide tries to be eloquent (if equally unoriginal) in her rants.Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 11 30 at 10:51 AM • permalink
but please JeffS, I’ve mentioned my hostility to Stalinism already…
But Maoism and the Khmer Rouge? They’re completely innocent in your eyes?Posted by Rob Crawford on 2007 11 30 at 10:55 AM • permalink
Ah, how sweet it is…
Interesting that you don’t provide a link to your source. Equally interesting is the fact that Mohammed was born in AD 570….and didn’t found Islam until he was 40*. That would be in AD 610. Your quote says “589”.
The Moorish Empire started conquering Europe in around AD 700 or so.
If you’re going to quote history, quote it right.
*: Yeah, I know, Wikipedia, grab yer salt shaker.Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 11 30 at 10:58 AM • permalink
#38. Sorry El Cid, I’m not an American Rightist and/or dissafected member of the security establishment. So, I don’t know…but maybe you can enlighten us..?
No, that I can’t do. Being that you brought it up, surely you must know something. Come on, just a little slip. What have you got Toulouse-Lautrec, except your legs?
#46. “…living in a fantasy world where he’s a super important person fighting the good fight against an evil empire….largely because he’s afraid to face the real evil. “
Welll…I wouldn’t say Bush is THAT important, and his ‘evil empire’ act is obviously stolen from Reagan (the distinction being that to my knowledge the US didn’t train and supply the USSR during the Cold War, unlike Bin Laden and co.) but I would agree he’s afraid to look himself in the mirror…or at least sneak a peak at Cheney…
#44. A REAL empire! Unlike the British one in India…or the European colonies in Africa and Asia…but please JeffS, I’ve mentioned my hostility to Stalinism already…
I referred to your sneering at the “US Empire”, idiot.
And I believe that Stalin and his peers murdered more people in 90 years than the British Empire killed in several centuries. It’s a matter of intent, you see.
Or maybe not; I bet you’re really good at self-denial as well.
Anywho, our two idiotic but politically correct friends in Wales would love you, I’m sure. Why don’t you pop up there for a Ménage à trois?Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 11 30 at 11:03 AM • permalink
Much simpler over here in the land of excess.
A guy calls my wife a bitch in my presence he gets a face full of knuckles. No cops needed, or wanted. If he then wanted to call the cops himself we’d all have a good laugh.
I’m sure this woman keeps her husband’s balls in her pocketbook, so complaining to the police is the only thing she could do.
Re #52: congrats, Gehlen! You hit all the major talking points thus far! You’re a well trained leftie, indeed.Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 11 30 at 11:07 AM • permalink
“Ugly bitch” would have kept him out of trouble.
That’s just mean to ugly people… I would have said stupid bitch but then that would be insulting to Gehlen……Posted by Old Tanker on 2007 11 30 at 11:08 AM • permalink
“English bitch?” Well, he was half-right.
That lady operates a tattoo parlor with her husband, but she makes most of her money from selling strap-on dildos.Posted by Mystery Meat on 2007 11 30 at 11:21 AM • permalink
I meant the stupid part…..you are a bright one eh???Posted by Old Tanker on 2007 11 30 at 11:22 AM • permalink
Calls in Sudan for Execution of Briton
KHARTOUM, Sudan (AP) – Thousands of Sudanese, many armed with clubs and knives, rallied Friday in a central square and demanded the execution of a British teacher convicted of insulting Islam for allowing her students to name a teddy bear “Muhammad.”
Religion of peace AND tolerance eh?Posted by Old Tanker on 2007 11 30 at 11:27 AM • permalink
If ever there was a poster boy for the pussy-whipped it’s that guy.Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 11 30 at 11:38 AM • permalink
Ignore R Gehlen. He’s obviously a left leaning student type, possibly Adrian, Mars, or one of the other dorks at Tim Dunlop’s place. They can only recite what they’ve been taught. No wisdom or experience or understanding of context whatsoever.
And for the record, America has no empire. Unless you count Puerto Rico. A territory in which a vote for independence has been voted down by its citizens.Posted by wronwright on 2007 11 30 at 11:41 AM • permalink
57. Please continue to demonstrate the sophisticated debating standards of the Right
Wow, is that what the little creature is doing? Seems more like some sort of fetish being acted out in public.Posted by Furry Lewis on 2007 11 30 at 11:50 AM • permalink
I was struck with the “had to” mentality.
Confucius was out walking one day when he came upon a stranger. The stranger began hurling terrible insults at him(no, I don’t know why either, it’s a parable so get off my back!). Confucius just smiled. This really made the stranger angry. The stranger then doubled the insults. Confucius simply smiled. The stranger looked bewildereed. Confucius then stated;
“If an insult is thrown, and not accepted, to whom does it belong?”
I’ll bet li’l Gehlen does a very nice head tilt.Posted by Furry Lewis on 2007 11 30 at 11:52 AM • permalink
Ah fer cryin out loud–it’s first thing in the morning here! I don’t even know who they are but now I don’t feel so good.
Note to self: check Blair’s site for help with appetite control.Posted by tabitharuth on 2007 11 30 at 11:57 AM • permalink
Is anyone getting Déjà vu to that scene from Trainspotting where Begbie realizes that some numpty wants to have a go, then her just yells “Yeaaaah!” and starts obliterating people? I get that same feeling watching R Ghelen try and fight a rearguard action after those ridiculous comments about Stalinist Russia and the USA. So many statements that are just adolescent and purely ignorant. Oh where to start? I take it that the reference to the British Empire having some kind of bodycount record is a reference to the story Tim linked to. OK, let’s start there.
It seems that in Retard World (closely aligned to Bizarro World, but where instead of just being the reverse, everyone is stupid) racism is justified if it against white/Anglo-Saxon/English speaking/successful/motivated type people. Ignore the fact that in the case mentioned, a white British person was convicted of racism against another white British person, lets go with a hypothetical here that should clear up the moral stand that fucktard here is trying to make. Say, oh I don’t know, a Pakistani British person called an English British person an English bitch. That would be justified in the wrong but right viewpoint of the mentally challenged left, because the person offering the racist comment was of a minority in the British Isles, it would then be OK because of the inherent racism of the native British people against immigrants. But wait, would not the English British person then be able to claim some kind of native title type defence based on the fact that England is in fact an island in Northern Europe, populated by, wait for it, Northern Europeans. It seems not. Racism is only racism if it directed against a minority in any given location…..or is it? Say a white British person referred to a Chinese person in Beijing as a Chinese bitch, that would be OK because the white British person was in the minority……..wrong again. The left don’t see racism as purely a case of one racial group discriminating against another; they have to impose some kind of cultural guilt filter over it to determine that no matter the circumstances, the white/Anglo-Saxon/English speaking/successful/motivated type person would be in the wrong. It would help if they were wealthy as well.
I lived in PNG for a while. If you want to see racism, have a look at that society. They are not only racist against non-black people; it goes as far as region, tribe and then village. Only in PNG would a darker skinned tribe refer to a lighter skinned tribe as redskins, and not see the irony.
I won’t even go into the braindead assertion that our resident “special needs child” has been making about relative bodycounts. I’ll leave that to other members of the VRWC, but suffice to say, cultural relativity is an exercise that only those embedded in their own cultural superiority can revel in.Posted by Richard Sharpe on 2007 11 30 at 12:00 PM • permalink
we really should have some kind of audition process for trolls- gehlen’s sub par at every level.Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 11 30 at 12:00 PM • permalink
This is WORSE than that hideous Pink photo you had on here for weeks Tim. As long as this is hanging on the front page I’m going to have to boycott. A man can only stand so much. God.Posted by ThinAndBritish on 2007 11 30 at 12:04 PM • permalink
“How ugly is she, Mambo?”
She’s so ugly that when she was born the doctor, instead of slapping her bottom, slapped her mother.Posted by Mambo Bananapatch on 2007 11 30 at 12:08 PM • permalink
Every time Gehlen expresses itself, it proves Mark Steyn’s profound truth: “The socialist’s two most feared enemies are history and reason.”Posted by Mambo Bananapatch on 2007 11 30 at 12:13 PM • permalink
She looks like she fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.
She’s so ugly her Momma had to tie a pork chop around her neck to get the dog to play with her.
As for the latest troll, would someone put his full-time bike helmet back on his head before he hurts himself?Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2007 11 30 at 12:24 PM • permalink
Andrea, someone mentioned the other day that the San Francisco Chronicle (I think) is using software that hides banned posters’ comments from everyone but themselves. The idea of boring trolls like Gehlen sitting there posting furiously and patting themselves on the back over how no-one dares respond to them while being invisible to the rest of us is delicious. Any chance of getting this software?
By the way, why does he choose a Nazi general’s name as his nom de blog? Is it simply some lackwit’s misconceived idea of witty irony?
I guess his point is this:
especially re post-war CIA recruitment.Posted by ThinAndBritish on 2007 11 30 at 12:34 PM • permalink
Incidentally, if you’re using Firefox, and you should be, get the Adblock extension. You can use it to block that sickening fucking picture of those two wastes of human skin.Posted by Mambo Bananapatch on 2007 11 30 at 12:39 PM • permalink
By the way, why does he choose a Nazi general’s name as his nom de blog? Is it simply some lackwit’s misconceived idea of witty irony?
Looks like it, Burbank. Good catch, by the way…..I missed that reference completely.
I’d say that Gehlen does feel like “…he’s a super important person fighting the good fight against an evil empire…”, and assumed his current nom de blog as a result.
Oh, and please note, everyone, that Herr Gehlen has yet to respond to this.
Embarrassing, isn’t it, getting caught out with a glaring historical error?Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 11 30 at 12:41 PM • permalink
T&B, ya beats me to it! Good work!Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 11 30 at 12:43 PM • permalink
Congratulations for crossing the line by calling the commenters here fans of mass murderers, R Gehlen. For this you have finally been banned.Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 11 30 at 12:47 PM • permalink
#93 The using-wikipedia part is easy. It’s getting past the two gargoyles currently guarding this site every time I go back to it which slows me down a bit.Posted by ThinAndBritish on 2007 11 30 at 12:51 PM • permalink
PS: thanks for the info on his name. I didn’t catch the reference either, but I should have known it was something lame like that. “Ooh, I’ll name myself after a Nazi! That’ll show those wingnuts!”Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 11 30 at 01:10 PM • permalink
Thanks for banning Herr Gehlen, Andrea. Not only is he an unimaginative troll (seriously, he started sounding like THE ALPHTARD™, only with better grammar), I got the impression that he’s the one who is a fan of mass murders.Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 11 30 at 01:15 PM • permalink
#96 His point, I think, is a dig at the fact that US intelligence employed him, i.e. America employs ex-NMazis so America is bad too.
This is the usual common-sense-versus-niceness argument that we so often see between right and left. Yes he richly deserved justice but why should US intelligence waste the resources available to them once they had hold of him?
Hell if David Hicks turned round and started using his Al-Qaida connections for the benefit of the CIA I wouldn’t be whining about keeping him out of jail for it. Totally implausible and unlikely of course…Posted by ThinAndBritish on 2007 11 30 at 01:20 PM • permalink
#102 Well that’t the point isn’t it. How many ex-Nazis did the Russians get?Posted by ThinAndBritish on 2007 11 30 at 01:38 PM • permalink
Maybe Gehlen is really the Uncle Fester in the picture and got his little ‘ole feelings hurt.
🙁Posted by Kathy from Austin on 2007 11 30 at 03:08 PM • permalink
How in sam hell is a Northern Irishman calling a Welshwoman “an English bitch” an act of racism? It’s rude, yes. But it’s not racism. I want the frickin judge to explain himself.
What’s next? Melbuns calling Sidneyslickers “puny Perthy pricks” an act of racism? Common sense, that’s all I’m asking for.Posted by wronwright on 2007 11 30 at 03:16 PM • permalink
Aside from that, I encourage the assembled wingnuts to post their oh-so-attractive personal photo’s…
“Wingnut” means right-winger, right? Well, I’m an ugly libertarian, but my wife is a card-carrying Republican.
If they are “tilters”, does that make those like us who have to look at it “tiltees”?Posted by ThinAndBritish on 2007 11 30 at 03:46 PM • permalink
As a strong proponent of the idea that profanity should be seldom employed so as to maximize its effect, let me note this whole situation is fucking nuts.
People often quote, “Be afraid, be very afraid,” as a joke. I’m not joking.
And I’m sure this point has been belabored, but how the hell does hating the British make you a racist?
People, people, you just don’t get it. The Welsh are most definitely not English.
A lot of them still consider themselves an oppressed people after a few centuries of English overlords.
A scouser mate of mine who taught in Wales for about 10 years or so was regarded as an interloper until he got the hell out of Dodge, even though he came from only a couple of hours down the road.
They are a breed of their own, and calling a taffy English is a truly disgusting thing to say.
That said, the idiot woman and her mangina husband need to get over themselves and grow a thicker skin.
I’m not even going to consider starting on the idiotic policies that allow this sort of fiasco to occur, considering I live in Melbournistan.Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 11 30 at 04:35 PM • permalink
- Posted by alien kiwi on 2007 11 30 at 04:40 PM • permalink
Your honour, I am deeply hurt at being called an English bitch when anyone can clearly see I’m a Welsh slag (who married an English prick).Posted by alien kiwi on 2007 11 30 at 04:50 PM • permalink
I was in Cardiff last month and the cab driver told us about his 5 yr old grandaughter who was mortified to learn that he had been born in England while the family was on holiday and asked him not to tell anyone else.Posted by alien kiwi on 2007 11 30 at 04:59 PM • permalink
#109: English policeman approaches Wronwright
Policeman: Ho! Wot’s all this?
Wronwright: What’s all what, officer?
Policeman: Hi see that you’re using an ‘ostile and racially hoffensive term.
Wronwright: Well, in the first place, it’s not racially offensive, and in the second place, you’re a British bobbie; I’m talking about Australians, here, so it’s out of your jurisdiction, anyway. Flatfoot.
Policeman (Turns lapel over, showing badge – “Special Duty: Interpol”): As you can see, sir, Hime on special assignment with a hinternational constabulary force at present. (Takes citation book and pen out of pocket) Now, let’s just ‘ave your name an’ address, like a nice gentleman, sir. ‘ave you any hidentification?
Wronwright: Not on me, no. But my name is, er, Mohammed. Mohammed Smith.
Policeman (putting away citation book): Ho! Well, that’s a different kettle of fish, altogether, sir! ‘ave a good day, Mr. Smith.
’A grandfather has been given a prison sentence for racial harassment after calling a Welsh woman “English”.’
Good thing he didn’t call her “French”. That would probably a hanging offense.Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 11 30 at 05:50 PM • permalink
#120 Do I need to take my tongue out of my cheek then? 🙂
Reminds me of what my uncle used to say about an aboriginal crying racist for being called a black bastard: Was he upset because he was black or because his parents weren’t married?
Of course this crap shouldn’t go to court.
#124 Skeets, you’re joking, right?
(Probably not, because we are talking the Welsh, after all.)
disclaimer: my best friend is half-Welsh, half-English and all Australian. Her uncle proudly displays the Welsh flag even though he’s been here for decades.
So there.Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 11 30 at 05:52 PM • permalink
Well, done folks, a first rate squishing of a third rate troll.
…if you can name an empire has has a higher body count (apart from the American, of course) then this would obviously be a horrible travesty.
I love it when the more retarded neocommies come out to play (and thanks Andrea for ridding us of this particular piece of filth so efficiently). This one was a gross ignoramus (144 times worse then a normal ignoramus). I love the way it implied that ‘Stalinist Russia was not an empire’: when it took over the precise borders of the Czarist Empire – and then started adding new territory.
And this gem, which you will find from the mouth of both this little fascist-wannabe and in National Socialist propaganda:
Just as long as you realise that human rights are as foreign to Stalinism as they and democracy are to the US empire.
Obviously, our little neocommie had not even read the Soviet constitution, in which are to be found guarantees of all the human rights and democratic freedoms one could ever hope for. It is just that individuals somehow could not access them.
I could go on, but there is no point, as self-absorbed fabulists like this are perfectly immune to reality.
As usual, he’ll be lurking, and spraying the screen with spittle. Pitiful
“For this you have finally been banned.”
Good riddance. Listening to guys like that spew the communist party line (including the now standard commie ritual denunciation of their own top killer, Stalin) is tedious in the extreme.
If I want to hear that lying crap I can listen to Noam Chomsky or Howie Zinn over at Z-Net.Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 11 30 at 06:06 PM • permalink
I know mr Nazi spymaster is banned, but I’m going to point out that the Empire with one of the biggest body count (adjusted for time period) was probably that of the Mongols. Hulagu Khan not only invaded Mesopotamia, he completely levelled Baghdad, and rolled up the Caliph in a carpet before killing the guy.
The harshness was due to a backlash against oppression of Nestorian Christians in the Islamic world, most likely (Hulagu’s wife and his chief general, Kitabaqu, were of that religion).Posted by Quentin George on 2007 11 30 at 06:39 PM • permalink
LOL, Barrie. I guess that one golden dinar is fair payment for also not being allowed to repair your synagogues without permission, having to wear distinctive clothing to identify you as a jew, not being allowed to ride horses, and having to get off the path when a muslim passed by.
I think it’s safe to say that R Gehlen is a complete moron.Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 11 30 at 09:09 PM • permalink
#132 it’s a collossal re-writing of history, that the fascist parties of 20th century Europe have long been classified in classrooms as “right wing.”
Fascism was a renegade offshoot of socialism. Evidence being, for example, that they called themselves socialists, executed all the capitalists, persecuted Jews, introduced massive state control of every part of life, and believed in a workers paradise.
The battle over terminology is lost. For this reason, conservatives should reject the term “right wing,” and dismiss it as an artifact of 20th century European history, with no meaning in today’s political debate.Posted by daddy dave on 2007 11 30 at 09:10 PM • permalink
’The victors brutal, colonising, warmongering invaders removed slaughtered & oppressed the native Christian Visigoths’ isn’t that how it’s supposed to sound in left terminology? Remove any references to religion of oppressed & insert standard anti-oppression adjectives.
The problem with Feckheads like Gehlen is they somehow manage to commit their disjointed litany of victimisation to memory, but are incapable of doing anything more with it than regurgitating it in a piece for unrelated piece whinge.Posted by stahlblume on 2007 11 30 at 09:34 PM • permalink
Just ‘cos it’s in the name, doesn’t mean it’s in the productHow Democratic were [B]Democratic[/B] Kampuchea, and the German [B]Democratic[/B] Republic? How about the [B] Democratic [/B]People’s Republic of Korea?
Back to the NSDAP. Ernst Röhm, leader of the SA was a socialist, and wanted nationalisation, &c, but that was never Adolf’s bag.Posted by pog-ma-thon on 2007 12 01 at 01:57 AM • permalink
#123 paco, whenever I’m, er, “pinched” by the “bobbies” (usually on Boat Night) I give my name as Orlando Maltravers.Posted by Steve Skubinna on 2007 12 01 at 02:23 AM • permalink
#140, damn it, pog-ma-thon, use those little button thingies! Andrea is going to smite you, and I’m standing right here! What if her aim’s off?Posted by Steve Skubinna on 2007 12 01 at 02:28 AM • permalink
“Just ‘cos it’s in the name, doesn’t mean it’s in the product”
True. But, the Nazis were, in fact, socialists.
You cannot have a totalitarian state that doesn’t control the means of production and the distribution of goods.
All totalitarian states are socialist.Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 12 01 at 02:43 AM • permalink
- pog-ma-thon, here is the case outlined in detail: Hitler was a socialist.
I also found this with a quick google search. So your response was a reasonable comeback, but I’m afraid it’s not just in the name. There’s a real case to be made.
Also, one thing is for sure: he is light-years away from people that advocate free-market democracy (ie conservatives).Posted by daddy dave on 2007 12 01 at 04:31 AM • permalink
- #143, #144, #145
I suppose it is a matter of definition.In my book, Fascism is not Socialism, but fascism and socialism, along with Stalinism are various forms of statism.
If state control = socialism, then the Louis XIV, who declared “I am the state”, was a socialist.
In the UK during Word War II, the production and distribution of goods were controlled by the state, so George VI and Churchill were “socialists”.
#142 – I tried to use those button thingies, but it’s not working – don’t know whether it’s my Mac or Safari to blame.Posted by pog-ma-thon on 2007 12 01 at 06:11 PM • permalink
In my book, Fascism is not Socialism, but fascism and socialism, along with Stalinism are various forms of statism.
We’re quibbling over definitions now. I think the common ground here is that there are marked similarities between the two, and not just statism. The article I linked to earlier goes through several parallels.
You haven’t objected to our claim that fascism is not a right-wing ideology, in that it does not share its core principles with modern conservatism or classic liberalism. Therefore, I take it you agree: putting fascism in the same category as modern democratic conservatives is a monstrous historical lie.
As an aside, I’d add that I grew up hearing jokey expressions like “he’ll be first against the wall when the revolution comes,” invariably applied to various Australian capitalists. I now know that those expressions have a direct lineage to actual, real, socialist revolutions throught last century.
Those expressions now turn my stomach.Posted by daddy dave on 2007 12 01 at 08:45 PM • permalink
“Take a look at these two:”
I’d rather look at nude photos of Catherine Deveny.
Those two mugs are what puts the “ugh” in ugly.Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 12 02 at 01:03 AM • permalink
Oh Man! His Head! His Eyes! I know that bucket is going to come haunting me in my nightmares. That ‘caring’ and ‘nurturing’ expression on that austere and hell-battered head. It is demonic!
And her expression…she looks like a female frankenstien with those cold staring eyes!
God help me!!