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Popular Mechanics presents a comprehensive debunking of all the 9/11 conspiracy theories – from government bombing of the WTC to claims the Pentagon wasn’t hit by a passenger jet. Nine pages, lots of experts, very clearly written.
- Needs to be translated into French.Posted by Gary on 2005 02 13 at 11:51 PM • permalink
- rinardman,
Oh hell no! Popular Mechanics has been taken over by the BushCo/Neocon/Zionist Cabal! Will the evil Rovian conspiracy stop at nothing?!?
/DU-Kos-Atrios-Indymedia chorus
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2005 02 14 at 12:28 AM • permalink
- Spiny Norman — Today Popular Mechanics, tomorrow… Maxim!Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 02 14 at 12:35 AM • permalink
- You mean the RWDB strike team hasn’t taken over Maxim yet? You’re getting slow, guys!Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 02 14 at 12:44 AM • permalink
- I was only joking, but apparently others are not!
A number of online commentators have taken issue with our story for failing to reach the conclusions they would like. We have been accused of being part of a “cover-up” and worse.
Flashes of brilliance, like beauty, may be fleeting, but stupid is terminal.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2005 02 14 at 01:00 AM • permalink
- By the way (OT comment) if you guys don’t want the text to get all tiny like that after you close a blockquote, hit the enter key twice (making two line breaks, or one paragraph break) after the closing blockquote tag.Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 02 14 at 01:08 AM • permalink
- Why should the paranoid left and right allow things such as facts obscure ‘way cooler’ conspiracy theories? Facts are so dull and boring. Conspiracy theories are much more fun.
(Nice article in PM, btw. Thanks.)
Speaking of conspiracy theories ..
Was up one night with the flu (couldn’t sleep) and was flipping through radio stations. Happened to catch Art Bell’s Coast to Coast.
Art’s guest was a weather reporter (never said he was a meteorologist) who was convinced all the hurricanes in Florida this year were man made.
To make a long story short, he’s convinced there’s a very HIGH LEVEL group in the US Government that has the ability to generate conditions that are responsible for hurricanes. This group generated conditions that caused the Florida hurricanes this year.
I couldn’t quite follow all that he said, but he implied this HIGH LEVEL group works directly for Bush and the hurricanes somehow helped Bush politically.Of course, a conspiracy exists within the US Government to keep such information from becoming public knowledge.
Guess its a failed conspiracy now since this guy was blabbing it all over the radio plus on a website (don’t recall name) he runs.
I was wondering if he’d still have a job as a weather reporter if his employer ever heard him talk about such nonsense. Of course, if he ever got fired he’d blame the US Government and not his moonbat self.
Posted by CJosephson on 2005 02 14 at 01:09 AM • permalink
- I’m glad for the Popular Mechanics’ analysis and am going to look at the article.
But what does anyone imagine would happen if an intense prolonged inferno coupled with explosion occurred nearly on top of a stack of weights structured – spaced and somewhat laterally contained by erector set-like metal members – so that once the first few retaining/supporting areas collapsed felling/falling into the next one, a cascade of ever increasing weight, with lateral “splay” or wedging, would necessitate a progression of even more increasing weight and kinetic energy until stopped only by the earth’s mass?
This is what it looked like to me, once I was helped by someone noting at the time the weakening effect of such heat upon steel. It wouldn’t take much weakening to start the process.
Well, maybe you know what I mean. I’ll see what PM says.
- A little while ago I had someone send one of those websites to my wife. It dealt with the fact that there was no aircraft that hit the pentagon and that it was really a missile. She sent it to me and we had a good laugh (she is a Bush/Nazi as well). What was really depressing though on reflection was the names of the people who had sent it and our former opinion of them.
What happens when you become a liberal? Does your brain just die?
- J. Peden,
That’s probably what happened. Either that or Dick Cheney wired the place to implode. Walking up and down those stairs carrying spools of det cord and TNT couldn’t have been good for his heart. He probably had to eat half of the nitro.
By the way, his daughter is a lesbian. Did you know that?
- allan,
Not entirely. Like joining a wacko religious cult, you just gleefully abandon all personal responsibility and leave it all up to the Hive Mind. Liberating, isn’t it?
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2005 02 14 at 01:29 AM • permalink
- Not that I don’t love conspiracy theories, but I have a better theory for you to debunk.
( This wasn’t on the PM list. )Why did we abandon the hunt?
One year it’s ‘dead or alive’ and then (after Iraq) it’s ‘really not that important’. Why is the man undoubtedly responsible for 9-11 being allowed to remain at large?Am I alone in misunderestimating this plan? It needs explanation, so what’s the non-crazy theory explaining the release of Bin Laden?
- Tom: Actually, we didn’t abandon the hunt. We’re still looking for him.
Just because the media isn’t giving it 24/7 coverage doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
Oh and “release” of Bin Laden? When did we catch him, exactly? Kind of hard to release someone you never had. Oh and before you try to use the claim that we “let” him go, do try to give Bin Laden some credit. I doubt he really wants to be captured by the USA and just might be trying real hard to avoid that. (…and before trying to invoke the awesome omnipotent power of “the world’s greatest superpower” please look up the name ‘Eric Rudolph’ and ask how the “world’s greatest superpower” failed to capture him for over five years… especially when Mr. Rudolph was in the US the whole time.)
Posted by Patrick Chester on 2005 02 14 at 02:24 AM • permalink
- Tom Wopat,
Please seek out the film “Fahrenheit 9/11”. It will explain everything you want to know. It has all the answers. It is all true.
But be careful! Chimpy McBushitler, his poodle “Mr. Blair”, and their drooling manservant JoHo hate this film almost as much as they hate the Enviroment and will repress you in Gitmo with slutty Yankee Infidel soldier girls if they catch you.
Slip away from this double plus ungood website while I distract the others. They are dangerous but drunk on Kool-Aid and thus slow-witted.
Peace to you, my brother. Now go.
Viva La Resistance!
- Tom Wopat: we released bin Laden because he said he was sorry and wouldn’t do it again. Thus it made sense to “abandon the hunt”.
No, are you serious? He’s got a $50 million reward on him. We can’t go into Pakistan, and might not find him even if we could. Even the Pakistani government probably doesn’t want to do it very badly. They don’t know where he is.
Primitive mountain areas are very difficult to search even here. He does have some support. [No one found Claude Dallas for a pretty long time twice, despite intense local searches. He was simply hanging out among supporters in a small community called Paradise outside of Winnemucca, Nevada where he “should” have been easily found. We haven’t even gotten al Zerqawi.]
The search continues and he has not been found. So what? That’s life. That’s reality. We are no where near being in full control of things.
Or maybe the Aliens have him.
Do you really think Bush is in league with Bin Laden, the “Jews”, and so forth?
- My non crazy theory is that Tom Wopat does not believe Bush and Osama are best friends 4ever, nor does he believe 9-11 was orchestrated by neocons and Joooos. I MAY be a little generous here, but let’s give Mr. Wopat the benefit of the doubt.
I believe Mr. Wopat is just trying to remind us that the world is not perfect to erode support for the Bush administration. Continuing successes and electoral defeats for his side are demoralizing. Not even the head of the mighty JEFF GANNON can soothe his worried brow, one of the few things he can take refuge in is the fact that Osama hasn’t been brought to justice yet. Odd that it should bring him pleasure—-er, no! Not pleasure, rage! SWEET DELICIOUS RAGE!!! Righteous rage against the evil BushCo, oh, how we savor the taste of our hatred in our mouths, dripping like sweet blossoms of frothy raging fury from our swollen and cracked lips… the election was stolen! He’s a stupid evil failure genius! WMDEEEEEEEEEEES!
*cough* Whoa, I went too far into the abyss there. Pardon me
- Hardly a “comprehensive debunking of all the 9/11 conspiracy theories” with regards to the Pentagon.
Piss weak effort, in fact. There are a dozen more fishy things that I’ve seen raised that they chose not to debunk.
Just sayin’.
And getting all 16 year old spoilt, vacuous, Southern Californian on my ass is hardly debunking. Okay?
Posted by Stormy Normy Rowe on 2005 02 14 at 03:32 AM • permalink
- Woops. Apologies if my email addy offends. Was the first one I thought of.Posted by Stormy Normy Rowe on 2005 02 14 at 03:37 AM • permalink
- Tom Wo(m)bat, no hang on its Womb Bat, anyway Womb Bat sweetley asks Why did we abandon the hunt?
Well Womb Bat its called responsible resource management; OBL is not worth further expense, its not cost effective.
Hes holed up in Badlands and its better to bring security to his intended victims, which has been done. And cut of his supply of $$$US, ditto
Remember how he earlier predicted that the US would fall, as would the heavens?
Counter that with his last pathetic ‘call to arms’, as if….. so sad….
So the strategy has worked, and OBL has failed.
- I thought PM did a pretty good job in debunking some of the main 9/11 conspiracies I’ve seen on the net. I doubt the ‘true believers’ will be swayed by their findings, but it’s handy to have as a reference in case someone you know (non-‘true believer’) stumbles upon some conspiracy site and has questions.
What bothered me, was all the conspiracies that have sprung up that contradict the 100’s of pictures we all saw with our own eyes. How is it possible to fool people who have these same pictures available to them?
For example, people have come to believe that the WTC planes were NOT commercial jets. I don’t understand how anyone could look at the pictures (still and video) of the jets crashing plus all the debris and conclude they were NOT commercial jets.
In addition to the pictures, there’s the eyewitness testimony of the people involved. The airlines claimed those jets as their own, etc..
It’s very disturbing to realize how much people seem to NEED some sort of governmental conspiracy to blame things on.
I wonder if people who suffer from paranoia are more likely to be drawn to governmental conspiracy explanations? (The government is out to get you.)Posted by CJosephson on 2005 02 14 at 04:51 AM • permalink
- You mean that Saddam didn’t organise 11/9?
I can’t believe that!
Posted by Homer Paxton on 2005 02 14 at 04:54 AM • permalink
Just saying’.
Just wankin’, more like. I’ve seen those “fishy things raised” and it’s all a bunch of feverish adolescent comic book crap. How old ARE you?
BTW, lovely email addy there, Rowe. I’m sure Andrea appreciates it.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2005 02 14 at 05:03 AM • permalink
- hey homer paxton, what did you do with ‘iron mark’ latham? is he dossing in your ‘uni student’ digs or did he end up in ‘ward 13 callan park’ psych home where he belongs? enquiring minds need to know!!Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 02 14 at 05:16 AM • permalink
- Mate, just how on the ball are you Spiny? Why don’t you bring it to her attention Spiny? Why don’t you see if you can get my posts deleted? You the man.
Sorry, but the fact remains that it wasn’t a thorough debunking with regards to the Pentagon. You can have a big cry and say it doesn’t deserve a thorough debunking, fine.
But that wasn’t what I was saying so settle down precious.
“Either you are with the snarky anti-conspiracy pile on, or you
are with the terrorists.” I hear ya, people. Carry on then.Posted by Stormy Normy Rowe on 2005 02 14 at 05:35 AM • permalink
- Popular Mechanics is, of course, a part of the conspiracy to hide the truth. I’ve often borrowed it from the libary. It’s a working class redneck magazine without peer.
Short sentences, simple language. All those adverts for chewin’ tobacco, Camel, Old Turkey, Jack Daniels. All those articles about drag racing, fixing things around the house, how to choose a power saw, change your shock absorbers – it’s the magazine for a man’s man. For a Bush Man.
I love it. Pity there’s nothing like it in Australia.
Posted by walterplinge on 2005 02 14 at 06:04 AM • permalink
- “Either you are with the snarky anti-conspiracy pile on, or you
are with the terrorists.” I hear ya, people. Carry on then.Nah, it’s more like “Either you are with the snarky anti-conspiracy pile on, or you are with the certified loons and morons.” Terrorists are merely a sub-category of the loons/morons group, although one that occasionally intersects with the we’ll-believe-any-conspiracy-if-it-makes-Bu$hitler-look-bad section of the populace. In case you’re concerned, I can assure you that nobody’s mistaking you for a terrorist.
- Stormy=Fatfingers? Maybe he’s been at http://www.thejewsdidit.com getting more valuable information that we’ve all missed in there because we were turned off by the anti-semitic overtones.
- Cute little “Stormy” has had his account and IP address banned. So ignore his garbage.Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 02 14 at 07:52 AM • permalink
- thanks for posting the link tim. it continues to sadden and disgust me that these sorts of ‘fantasies’ continue to have a life. i was in lower manhattan on september 11th and i saw both planes. my office is just a few blocks from the world trade center, and i was there when they collapsed. there were no other explosions. there were no missles or little eichmanns. just a lot of normal working men and women who were slaughtered by murderous bastards.Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2005 02 14 at 09:27 AM • permalink
- #5, Rinardman- you weren’t imagining anything.
Indymedia does Popular Mechanics (via Indy Media Watch)
Posted by Indy Media Watch on 2005 02 14 at 10:57 AM • permalink
- CJospephson — Most people don’t know that if you turn the Hubble Space Telescope around it works like a giant magnifying glass pumping enormous amounts of heat into the atmosphere, causing violent wind conditions.
Hurricanes are the least of it. Bush and Rove actually send tornados through the Midwest each year trying to target holdout blue counties. And it’s a poorly kept secret that Bush and Rumsfeld used the Hubble to start the sandstorm that delayed the assault on Baghdad three days because our demoralized troops were threatening to surrender if they couldn’t take a break.
It’s true, I’ve got a memo from the Pentagon about it! Right over here with my MJ-12 documents somewhere…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 02 14 at 11:22 AM • permalink
- You mean the RWDB strike team hasn’t taken over Maxim yet? You’re getting slow, guys!
We tried, Andrea. We just couldn’t stop drooling over all those girls who look exactly alike from the neck down.
Posted by Gary from Jersey on 2005 02 14 at 03:39 PM • permalink
- More seriously, the Journal of Materials had an article in late 2001 telling all the moonbats exactly how mere jet fuel could cause the WTC to collapse.
Of course, what do mere materials scientists know about buildings and building materials?
