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The Norway Post reports:
The Palestinian group Holy War has asked Danes, Norwegians and Swedes to leave the Gaza Strip immediatley. The Nordic citizens have been asked to leave the area within 48 hours. On Monday, armed men burned the Norwegian flag outside the EU Headquarters in Gaza.
They’re still upset over those disrespectful cartoons. Maybe Michael Leunig should move in; there’s no chance that he’d ever be asked to leave.
- Let the Pally’s kick out whatever countries they like. That’ll make it easier for the Israeli’s to operate, and no doubt reflect poorly on the soon-to-be Hamas administration when foreign doctors and aid workers are forced to piss off out of the country, leaving only maggots like the ISM and Loewenstein-like lefty’s to clean up some poor kid’s blood from the next terrorist misfire, celebratory gunfire, or premature explosion.
Of course, there’s the other side to it: when more Palestinians die from natural causes or Palestinian gunfire, ‘Israel’s Nazi genocide’ will be blamed.
- The poor dears!
It strikes me, though, that we are watching something vast, and beautiful, and terrible.
We are watching the rarest of historic spectacles, the death agonies of an entire civilisation as it immolates itself in envy, spite, frustration, rage, impotence, barbarity and hate.
For the Arabs are the most impotent of people, perhaps the greatest eunuchs who have ever lived. They have invented nothing in 400 years. Every year, more books are written in Spain that have been written in the Arab world in the past 500 years. Take away the oil, and the economy of the entire Arab world is worth less that that of one Finnish mobile phone company, Nokia. Everything above mediaeval technology they must import from us. They are utterly incapable even of exploiting their own resources without the technology, expertise and peoples of the West. AT best, they can grow tasty dates, and raise livestock.
In such circumstances, every light-socket, every car, every piece of paper must be a grinding reminder of the impotence and worthlessness of their own moribund civilisation. And how pathetic and parasitical must that seem to them?
It strikes me what losers, what utter, absolute losers, the Arab Muslim world is filled with. They have banded together in clusters of losers in the same way the German national Socialists did. They have a dreadful contempt for their followers, and an even deeper contempt for other Muslims who are not losers like the islamofascists.
And the smart ones, the educated ones, the ones who are not losers, they see this, and they leave. Their brain drain is awesome to behold.
Therefore, the uber-losers gain control of a population composed of fatalistic losers. To such ‘leaders’, the deaths of their followers is of no account. ALl they desire themselves is negative, or suicidal. These people are correct, they truly do love death, and I do not think that I truly understood that before.
It is apparent that Hamas believes that if all Gazans should die, what of it? Do they not deserve it? Are they not losers? The uber-losers of Hamas, Fatah, and all the rest, desire nothing but destruction and death, and are quite happy to go out in their own blaze of short-lived fame, and desire that their followers and supporters should die before they themselves eat the last bullet in the Fuhrer-bunker.
We have seen this before. Like then, this will cost us dearly – France was once strong, the losers of National Socialism cost us that France, leaving only the gutted shell we see now, with the bacteria of socialism consuming the remains of the corpse. But the great bastions of the West, the USA, Britain, Australia, Canada and even New Zealand, these will be damaged, but they are simply beyond the ability of these primitives to wreck. The rest of Europe was wrecked by the National Socialists, but Islamfascism poses less of a threat to our bastions than Hitler did to Europe. Like then, it changed us, but I cannot see how they can possibly do anything other than that they most desire – LOSE.
MarkL
canberra
- Read today that some bloke walked into a bar (nope, I’m not going to tell a joke) and said you’ve got two days or something. What he apparently meant was that you’ve got two days more on the grog before no more drinking allowed. Give it five seconds and the women will be being forced to wear doonas and the blokes will be being signed
up to the military before they turn five.
Holy War sounds like a bad band from the 1980s. They probably do U2 covers or something.Posted by Major Anya on 2006 01 31 at 05:19 AM • permalink
- 5.MarkL, the thing about the smart ones leaving and coming to the west is that they still want us all to live in the Ummah. As far as they are concerned, Islam is the be-all and end-all, and they are going to make sure we get the picture whether we like it or not.
We can take it fast or take it slow.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 01 31 at 05:24 AM • permalink
- 6.Major Anya, is that a ref to the item in today’s Hun?
The one where: BEING too drunk to be served more alcohol will be defined in law for the first time…
Farking Nanny State.
Grrrr.Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 01 31 at 05:28 AM • permalink
- 7. Nilknarf, yes and no. It is not monolithic, but very fragmented. A lot of muslims in Australia left whatever hellhole they came from to get away from all that crap, than the bastards like Hillally and the Shia from teh Bekaa in the late 80s (only about 15,000 of ‘em) followed an brought all that crap out here.
There are a surprising number of converts from Islam to Christianity in Australia, but you won’t hear much about them. They tend to change cities/states and to change names as well. it is my fondest hope that Cardinal Pell calls for the Church to run active conversion campaigns aimed at turning muslims toward the light and converting them.
Those who want to bring that ummah sewage out here – well, we have gaols and an ability to deport tha swine.
A lot of the educated ones are also fairly secular. Good prospects for either conversion or full secularisation of their children. Our society is damned good at the latter.
MarkL
Canberra
- 11. I hadn’t heard about the conversion calls from Pell (note to self: start going to Mass again. The Baptists are fun, but it’s not the same!)
Regarding those wanting the Ummah, I’ve been doing silly things like reading the muslim forums online. There are quite a few youngsters that think living under Islam would be great, and obviously all those people in the ME, Pakistan and North Africa don’t quite get it. It’s depressing to read.
How do you deport a native-born citizen? What can you jail them under? Unless you’re here in Vic, of course. Then again, the laws aren’t exactly for anglos, are they?
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 01 31 at 05:53 AM • permalink
The rest of Europe was wrecked by the National Socialists, but Islamfascism poses less of a threat to our bastions than Hitler did to Europe
That’s the understatement of the year! Take a gaggle/herd/swarm* of every Islamofascist put together, and they still don’t approach 1/1000 of the military and economic power of Hitler’s Germany.
* What the heck is the collective term for them anyhow? It’s certainly not an “exaltation” (group of larks) or a “pulchritude” (peacocks) and definitely not a “shrewdness” (apes).
Maybe a murder or a pandemonium?Posted by Lionel Mandrake on 2006 01 31 at 06:15 AM • permalink
- Nilknarf
It is possible to strip an Australian born citizen of citizenship, and deport them as a stateless person. I don’t think it has ever been done, but it is possible.
Yep, been looking at those sort of sites myself. How damned ill-informed are some of them. Makes you wonder – there are people who seriously think that people have it better in Egypt than they do here!
I think that I was not very clear. Cardinal Pell has NOT called for such a program, I’d personally love for him to do so. Pope Benedict is saying some very interesting things about his views on the Muslim world.
However, (we have to be careful what is said on a public forum) shall we say that this has not stopped others of the Catholic community from taking real action in this regard over the past few years?
I agree that the Two Danny’s case is a disgraceful case carried out under the foullest piece of thought crime legislation this country has ever seen. Bracks stands condemned by that legislation – the other states watched it, and walked away from the concept.
MarkL
Canberra
- Well, i am still impressed that the Danes have not prostrated themselves over these cartoons. It boggles the mind when you read about the protests and boycotts.Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2006 01 31 at 07:17 AM • permalink
- Did anyone else pick up on SBS’s report on the Jyllands Posten “affair”?
It was as you expect a Dhimmi piece about how the West is demonising Islam etc etc…
However, I was astounded to see that SBS actually claimed that JP published a cartoon of Mohammed with a pigs head!
This is a well known fraud committed by a Danish Muslim group.
Shameless plug: See my blog post for details.
- But these Nordic nasties just don’t understand the nicetes necessary to get on in the area.
Mark Willesee knows what terms to employ..
He is taking purple prose,bodice ripping notes for his first novel.
Even his colleague at the ABC seemed to audibly wince when he relayed a promo.
“Striding into our room,Abdul Mohammed casually places three hand grenades on the table.The three little green orbs wobbling precariously,next to the hot,sweet tea.
Warm fetid alleys and cinder block shanties.”
and “Wearing ammunition belts and carrying
M i6s..” and “they take their protest to the street” (much gunfire) “and the things they’re upset about”(more gunfire)..
“from M? refugee camp…”
- So the whole Islamic world is going to crumble because of few cartoons!. Meanwhile it is OK for Arabs and other so show racist charicatures of Jews and Americans in their media.Posted by Torontosteve on 2006 01 31 at 07:49 AM • permalink
- The Danes are now (Tue 31 Jan 06) choosing the dhimmitude:
The chief editor of the Jyllands-Posten newspaper late Monday apologized for publishing the caricatures […] Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen on Monday expressed his first criticism of the publication. […]
Kasim Amat, spokesman for one of the Danish Islamic congregations, welcomed the statements by the premier and Jyllands-Posten’s editor. “Now we have to work together to ensure a calmer debate and a proper dialogue about Islam and Muslims,” he said on Danish radio.
- #22 Here is the letter from the editor in chief
- And there I was wondering if the South Park guys had had the balls to do Mohammed. Should have known when I didn’t hear death threats et al.
Well, they might as well now. What are they going to do, threaten the Americans and burn our flag? Seems the Pallys have maxed out already.
Posted by Monroe Doctrine on 2006 01 31 at 10:17 AM • permalink
And there I was wondering if the South Park guys had had the balls to do Mohammed. Should have known when I didn’t hear death threats et al.
Mohammed was one of the “Super Best Friends”, along with Jesus, Moses, Buddha, Smith, and Aquaman Sea-man.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 01 31 at 11:32 AM • permalink
- Maybe because of culturally based misunderstandings, the initiative to publish the 12 drawings has been interpreted as a campaign against Muslims in Denmark and the rest of the world.
“Culturally based misunderstandings” are any excuse at all, no matter how ridiculous to the rest of us, for Muslims to scream discrimination and to justify Muslim violence against non-Muslims. They’re outraged by some cartoons depicting Mohammed? Well, I’m more than outraged by some videos of beheadings shown on the internet last year.
You know the Palestinians, in particular, have used up their capital when they pick a fight with Scandinavians, the least offensive people on the planet. There’s no one left to make a new enemy of. And there’s no one left to turn to for sympathy and money for the “downtrodden Palestinian” cause.
- Well, they had a Cross dipped in urine and called it art in Brooklyn, NY, USA. They also had a painting of the Madonna covered in feces. I guess the boys from Bensonhurst should have burned down the Musli-eam that harbored this trash art and crucified the “artist” and his mates. Nobody got kicked out of anything and no apology was made. We have a lot to learn from the Islamo-fascisits.
- Off topic, but Thom Lyons sues! I think it may have been this which finally prompted him to use real rather than imaginary lawyers.
- What the heck is the collective term for them anyhow?
A belt of Islamofascists.
This whole anti-cartoon jihad seems to me much like the Hamas election. It’s only a silver lining, as it has changed nothing but the lefties/fascists ability to lie and deny the reality of who these people are.
I hope bloggers everywhere show some solidarity by hosting one of the unsharia cartoons on their homepages. Or something.
Posted by zeppenwolf on 2006 01 31 at 02:55 PM • permalink
- Also “Gaijin Biker” has reproduced them, pointing out that the Muslims have proven the point of the cartoons that Muslims are violent barbarians by acting as violent barbarians. From SuportDenmark.com:”On the 30th of September 2005 the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten published 12 cartoons depicting the prophet Mohammed. Mohammedans raised a storm of protest and two artists went into hiding after receiving death threats. Islamic organisations demanded an apology from the Danish government and the incident turned into a world-wide diplomatic issue. The OIC (the Organisation of the Islamic Conference), the Council of Europe and the UN all criticised the government of Denmark for not taking measures against the newspaper Jyllands-Posten. The Danish prime minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen defended the freedom of the press and free speech and stated that any measures, if appropriate, could not be taken by the government but only by a court of law. Meanwhile in Islamic countries Danish flags are burned and Danish products are taken off the shelves. Several countries have withdrawn their ambassadors from Denmark and armed men attacked the office of the EU in the Gaza strip.
Denmark needs our support. Show that you care and put one of these banners on your website.” The “banner” can be found on the website. I wonder if Kofi, protector of the UN idea of ‘right’, can persuade the Bensonhurst boys to burn down the Art Museam that showns Mary decked in feces. Is it not time for us to withdraw our ambassadors from coutries that have withdrawn their ambassadors from Denmark. Oops, I forgot. The Muslims now pre-own the world while on the way to dhimmining it.
- What the hell are “Danes, Norwegians, and Swedes” doing in that hellhole in the first place?
And is anyone going to point out to the intollerant paleos that Norwegians and Swedes are NOT Danes, no matter what they look like?
Wotta buncha pathetic loser MAROONS.
Posted by Barbara Skolaut on 2006 01 31 at 04:28 PM • permalink
- I wonder where Lars van Trier’s next daring movie will take place.Posted by chinesearithmetic on 2006 01 31 at 04:32 PM • permalink
- Great Post ML
I think all we have to do is give the women freedon and the whole Mohammadean system will collapse.
Ban the Headscarves in the west force the women to work for their welfare and medicare for their 8 kids.
give them birth control under the table.
the growth of Islam is predicated upon the repression of women and turning them into little mohammed factories.
the west has the tools to stop this
afterall it was only 1 generation ago that many catholics etc used to have bucket loads of kids
Posted by Christian Bin Laden on 2006 01 31 at 04:59 PM • permalink
- BTW I think we should still send aid to the Palos
but no more money – just make it cultural aid – send over Luenig and Margox on speaking tours etc.
Posted by Christian Bin Laden on 2006 01 31 at 05:02 PM • permalink
- The best insult of Norway I’ve seen is the Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka decribing them as “herring eating busybodies”.
And if I’m not mistaken, they have a day set aside to celebrate the wonder that is the UN. Drum it (indoctrinate) it into the schoolchildren.
But since they’ve got all that oil, and they aren’t in the EU (amazing that it might be a moderating influence on the tranzis and leftists in their government), you have what you have.
- The really maddening thing about the whole Jyllands-Posten flap is this:
It’s not that the cartoons just came out of nowhere, like as part of some documentary or editorial.
It was an explicit, premeditated attempt to seek out cartoonists who weren’t afraid to brave the inevitable backlash, as well as an attempt to prove that Muslims weren’t as thin-skinned as to complain about cartoons.
That was their purpose. They commissioned the cartoons so they could demonstrate what would really happen, and what the cartoonist community fears, rather like a father reacting to finding cigarettes in his son’s room by forcing him to smoke the whole pack.
There’s not a better illustration of the entire mindset of the stunt than this one by Arne Sørensen.
It seems to me that there are two possible purposes behind Jyllands-Posten’s sponsorship of this stunt: a) to prove their belief that Muslims are too mature to overreact to something like this, or b) to prove their belief that Muslims just need a match struck and they’ll explode and take all of the Western world with them.
The former seems far-fetched. It’s possible, as we all know of newspapers too blinded by moral relativism to have any idea what kind of backlash this would have sparked. But this doesn’t feel like that’s the case. I suspect it’s the latter.
And if it’s the latter, it’s succeeded beyond all imagination. Because now the whole world knows what happens. That poor cartoonist in his self-portrait sketch– he tries to shield the paper (with its studiously inoffensive drawing) from prying eyes, but look how much good that does.
And what Leftist can help but sympathize with him?
I’d love to hear the Leunig/Rall/Fisk/Moore/etc reasoning that exonerates Hamas and its obviously popularly supported boycott versus the poor guy at the writing desk.
In other words, this may be a tipping point, where the Western Left finally realizes how fragile and precious a thing freedom of speech is, and that there are in fact some things worth fighting to defend.
And we’ll have Jyllands-Posten to thank for it.
Posted by Brian Tiemann on 2006 01 31 at 05:54 PM • permalink
- Slightly O/T More at: SMH
Hamas demands return of Seville in internet
children’s magazine
The children’s website Al Fateh, property of the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas, demands in its most recent issue the return of the Spanish city of Seville to the “lost paradise” of Al Andalus, as the Muslim part of Spain was called during its existence between 711 and 1492. The web magazine, whose name means “conqueror,” says it is for “the young builders of the future.”The web magazine, whose name means “conqueror,” includes an article in which the city of Seville itself is the narrator, saying, “I beg you, my loved ones, to call me to return along with the other cities of the lost paradise to Muslim hands so that happiness may reign in my lands. Dress me, for I am the bride of the land of Al Andalus.”
Posted by Christian Bin Laden on 2006 01 31 at 05:57 PM • permalink
- “Aha depraved infidel! you must leave the country now, but you may leave your Swedish magazines!”Posted by Deo Vindice on 2006 01 31 at 06:31 PM • permalink
- Looks like it’s made its way into the SMH.
That can only be a good thing. The online version has a photo of a burning newpapers with the pictures visible – just not as clear as they should be.
That’s one way of covering your backside, I guess.
There’s also a fun discussion over at Muslim Village forum.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 01 31 at 06:42 PM • permalink
- 12 Mandrake
The proper term is a carswarm of Islamofacists, I believe.
Posted by stuartfullerton on 2006 01 31 at 07:17 PM • permalink
- #15
You can’t deport stateless people.
You can try, but quite simply, no-one will take them.Why do you think asylum seekers destroy their documents?
Posted by pog-ma-thon on 2006 01 31 at 07:20 PM • permalink
- P.S. I suggest we all post the cartoons to show support for free speech in Denmark and elsewhere. They are truly innocuous, and I think if the Danes don’t knuckle under now, there is a chance that the Islamoids will have overplayed their hand.Posted by stuartfullerton on 2006 01 31 at 07:22 PM • permalink
- Palestine is a “failed state”. This is a technical term for a state which cannot provide basic services and security. When the media recognises this and we all can get our heads around it we will stop just sending money.
Part of the problem is the MSM treating every announcement like it comes from an actual government. What we in Australia are learning from our experience with our own indigenous population is that if you deliver money to them every week without attendant work or risk you get what they term “sit down money”. In the Palestinian context it should be better termed “terror money”.
Just how does a state with 90% unemployment survive? What do they eat, how do they stay warm? The missing link is that they receive cash from the West. This may be good for our consciences but it is the worst possible thing we can do for the Palestinians. The Danish aid workers should leave. So should all the others. The aid should stop and they should be forced to grow up.
- got to agree allan –
when people who would never have heard of Marx and Engels (Aussie Aboriginals) from a completely different cultural and intellectual society immediately work out that welfare/aid is “sit down money” that says something profound.
Posted by Christian Bin Laden on 2006 01 31 at 09:26 PM • permalink
- #55
Part of the problem is the MSM treating every announcement like it comes from an actual government.
Read Ali Kazak’s letter in today’s SMH
http://www.smh.com.au/news/letters/good-reason-for-a-democracy-to-be-up-in-arms/2006/01/31/1138590497512.htmlHe swears that the Palestinian leadership never embezzled a cent, and their accounts are completely transparent. He also gets 370 words to say it, whereas the rest of us only get 120 or less.
I suspect Kazak’s trying to get a job with the newly elected Hamas government… Either that, or he’s auditioning for the role of Iraqi Information Minister.
“We have not embezzled a single dollar of foreign aid money! Not one! More caviar?”
- #51
Thanks for that link to the Muslim Village Forum. This quote is hilarious:
Sorry but that letter has to be written more professionally before anyone should send it.Im sure 1.6Billion muslims can provide 1 person to write a more professional letter of condemnation.
An apostrophe or two wouldn’t hurt either…
As for the SMH article, it’s nice that worldwide Muslim protests, beatings of shopkeepers, masked gunment and death threats resulted in an apology.
There I was, thinking a strongly worded letter to the editor might get Fairfax to apologise for Leunig… I guess not. So much for [protocols] Jewish Media Control [/protocols]
In other words, this may be a tipping point, where the Western Left finally realizes how fragile and precious a thing freedom of speech is, and that there are in fact some things worth fighting to defend.
No way. They’re simply impervious to the information. 9/11: didn’t get through. Daniel Pearl: didn’t get through. Bali: didn’t get through. Madrid: didn’t get through. 7/7: didn’t get through. Theo van Gogh: didn’t get through. Beslan: didn’t get through.
What makes you think this will make it through? That it’s about art? I got news—it won’t. I remember a story about an artist who carved a Buddha into a Koran after the Taliban destroyed the giant Buddha in Afghanistan. Nobody would show it; too afraid.
Here in Cincinnati a local playwrite wrote a play about two teenage girls—an Israeli and a Palestinian—and made them both what Americans would consider sympathetic characters; if anything, the Palestinian girl was shown in a more positive light, despite being a suicide bomber and the Israeli girl being a suicide bomber victim. The local Islamists demanded a chance to review the script, then sat in on rehearsals, scowling, until finally the whole play was abandoned.
In Cincinnati, OH, a city that made national (international?) news for an uproar over the display of semi-pornographic art, an incident that still pops up in local jokes, the Islamists won with barely a struggle from the local art community, and only the barest notice from the local media.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 01 31 at 10:22 PM • permalink
- Yes, I’d really like to hear what Leunig has to say on this matter…does he support the cartoonist’s rights ?
Also, Nilknarf’s link at # 51 is eye-opening…read the fucked up discussion at this Sydney-based website – these people are in our midst, and that is worrying…
Posted by closeapproximation on 2006 01 31 at 10:25 PM • permalink
- The Danes, Swedes and Norwegians were not only once the Viking mauraders. They were also the ancestors of the Normans – the steel-clad medieval chivalry and crusader kings who saved Western civilization from Mahommetry.Posted by Susan Norton on 2006 01 31 at 10:49 PM • permalink
- #60 re the play
too much bloody time on their hands the lot of them.
Jobs for all – full employment is the solution (or perhaps massive changes to the welfare state)
If I had 4 wives and welfare checks coming in it would be a massive dis – incentive to work – and dont think I;d become a theatre consultant though
Posted by Christian Bin Laden on 2006 01 31 at 11:37 PM • permalink
- #60 Correct, Rob Crawford – leftists are complicit or compliant in the war being waged on the west, sometimes both, but ignorant they cannot be. BT, what makes you think that the left doesn’t get it? After all, the left has sided with or apologised for the enemies of the West at every opportunity in the last 100 years. No disrespect intended, but isn’t it time for you to finally realise something?
- #12 Group Captain,
A murder refers to crows of course. For radical Islamists I would suggest “a madness of Islamists” or perhaps “a lunacy”.Leftists are complacent about Islamofasicsm because it is oposing the West, capitalism, and the USA in particular. Indeed, radical Islam is the last competitive ideology against the West now in evidence. This was the reason that old Soviet terrorist, Carlos the Jackal, gave for converting to Islam in prison. The hatred of lefties for the USA, capitalism, and Western civilization takes precedence over any apprehensions they may have about radical Islam. Only those few who understand the danger latter, and are willing to make peace with the former, like Christopher Hitchens, have joined the fight against radical Islam. In any case the devotion of the left to things threatened by radical Islam, like freedom of speech and personal freedom, is grossly exxaggerated. Look how they have spent so many decades being apologists for and allies of the most vicious, barbarous, and murderous tyrannies (except one) in world history.
Posted by Michael Lonie on 2006 02 01 at 01:33 AM • permalink
- The left that supports the terrorists and/or the Islamists (in case someone tries to parse the whole thing) are reactionaries, pure and simple. Leftwing reactionaries. The fact that a playwright in Cincinnati would kowtow to a bunch of Islamic humps simply shows what craven beatches they are. If some Christians protested they would laugh in their faces. Cowards.
Jyllands-Posten, the paper that originally commissioned the cartoons of Muhammad, seemed initially to be willing to use their freedom of the press to, well, press freely. But their sudden back-pedaling and denial of their own beliefs is one of the most typical reactions from a terrified, leftist 4th Estate. The left only stands up and challenges those targets that don’t challenge back. Show a few poorly-decapitated heads bouncing around on the floor of some blood-slimed dump in the Sunni Triangle, and the chickensh*ts show their true colors. Rainbow Warriors all.
- A fistula of Islamonazis?Posted by stuartfullerton on 2006 02 01 at 01:48 AM • permalink
- Mark L, the Citizenship Act is up for change, but as I understand it a person can only be deported as a citizen if they have been found to have lied on their application. I don’t recall hearing about any citizens who have been deported, but recently a couple of permanent residents were due to lengthy criminal records. The issue of being left stateless is a huge one because a person is virtually a non-person wherever they are. The ramifications of being left stateless are huge. One of those people who had their PR revoked had it put back in place. A citizen by grant has the same rights as a citizen by birth, of course. I read blogs, but I don’t read those chat lists things. While blogs can get a bit heated and nutty sometimes, those chat sites seem to attract maddos of every shape and form.Posted by Major Anya on 2006 02 01 at 01:55 AM • permalink
- 64 – Full employment and jobs for all sounds a little bolshie to me. There are plenty of jobs out there for people who want them.Posted by Major Anya on 2006 02 01 at 01:59 AM • permalink
- Why are there so many angry and frightened people here? What is it that you all fear?
There is no war between people, only between their leaders. Their leaders who lead from behind as young men go off to fight the wars of their leaders.
A clever leader can make a man scared. A cunning leader can make a scared man angry. Then he can lead him into battle from behind.
John Howard in Australia is a man like that (a rat) who leads from behind with cunning and slippery words and meanings.
All people are the same.They want the same things. A house and food for their family, a small place to sit outside and be with their friends and family.
Their leaders want bigger houses, bigger stores of food and bigger estates to impress their bigger friends.
That is one reason why they lead scared angry people into battle from behind.
We should stop them from doing this, all of us. We should not let them make us scared of each other. We are the same.Posted by alluh_fazah on 2006 02 01 at 03:13 AM • permalink
- An explosion of Islamofascists?
A perversion of Islamofascists?
A shitbucket of Islamofascists?
An infection of Islamofascists?
A carcinoma of Islamofascists?
A slowdeath of Islamofascists?
A deathlust of Islamofascists?
A loewenstein of Islamofascists?
An arseholehatful of Islamofascists?
A slander of Islamofascists?
A bloodlibel of Islamofascists?
A poisonedwell of Islamofascists?
A cutthroat of Islamofascists?
A …
Stop me please. I might go on all night.
There is no war between people, only between their leaders. Their leaders who lead from behind as young men go off to fight the wars of their leaders.
Er, a brief reading of this particular situation with the cartoons and all has pretty clearly been a war between people, or at least perpetrated by them: Angry Islamic radical mobs burning down malls and restaurants in Denmark, angry Islamic radical mobs beating Scandinavians in the streets of the Middle East, so on and so forth.Make no mistake, they’re quite enthusiastic.
Posted by Aaron – Freewill on 2006 02 01 at 03:47 AM • permalink
- As are all mobs of angry and scared men.
They are angry and scared because of the evil words of their leaders.
There are evil leaders hiding in all countries and all religions.
Was the Abigensian Inquisition not the most evil of ideas?
I was not speaking exactly to the Scandanavian cartoons, of which I know nothing more than is in the papers.
I was making a point for all to consider and discuss rather than just be afraid.Posted by alluh_fazah on 2006 02 01 at 04:03 AM • permalink
- Hey, alluh, you sound like every phony, faux peace-talking lefto we get over here. And if it’s leaders scaring the people you want, then look no farther than the nearest imam preaching hate at the nearest mosque. Don’t worry though, alluh, we love you, man. You’re our favorite kind of visitor. So full of new and never-heard-before can’t-we all-just-get along ideas about peace and brotherhood. I, for one, am fascinated.
- ekw..Why are you so scared of peace?Posted by alluh_fazah on 2006 02 01 at 04:19 AM • permalink
- Ah, alluh, you have found out my weakness: my fear of peace! That peace which the Islamists tell us will be ours if only we knuckle under to the laws of Sharia and acknowledge Muhammad as the last and greatest Prophet, or at least not draw pictures of him on any cocktail napkins. Which won’t be available because liquor will be outlawed. Oh, alluh, it is so hard, this peace thingy. My head hurts with the concept of it. But your superior skills at delving beneath my crusty surface to get at my real feelings is impressive. Your brilliant arguments have made me reconsider my terrible opposition to peace which can only come – I now realize – with beheadings, suicide bombings, torture, rape, and amputations and mass murder. As I am kafir, you must understand that I am hardly worthy of your idea of peace. But possibly, with work, I may yet become hanif. And then I can buy myself some dynamite and get serious about this whole peace deal.
- The same peace that the early settlers took to the New Worlds, The Empty Lands?
How far into history do you have to go to excuse your hate and fear of others?
How far forward will you let it take you?
There are as many differences between Islamists as there are differences amongst all religions and unbelievers.
There are even differences between americans!
They are not all fat, driving in big gas hungry cars, knowing nothing of the world beyond their TVs. That is how many people see them.What is difference between a Christian bomber pilot, the controllor of the Predator drone, a Zionist Apache gunner or a Tamil or Palestinian suicide bomber? They all kill for their beliefs, for the leaders who make them scared of an other. Is any better than the other?
If you see my questions to you as excusing barbarity by any person, the reason for that it is in you. It is not my thinking.hooligan.. Do you see the gulf of meaning between a man who sells his people to his enemies for his own purpose and one who tries to achieve a peace for his people. There is a difference.
Posted by alluh_fazah on 2006 02 01 at 05:51 AM • permalink
- What do you understand by pacifist?Posted by alluh_fazah on 2006 02 01 at 07:40 AM • permalink
- What is difference between a Christian bomber pilot, the controllor of the Predator drone, a Zionist Apache gunner or a Tamil or Palestinian suicide bomber?
It’s sad that you need to ask alluh. Very sad.
You and the feral left enjoy comparing the Australian and US militaries to a Palestinian suicide bomber- it’s a disgusting comparison.
It is clear that Palestinian suicide bombers are targeting Jews (not simply Zionists) for their percieved crime of having a state on Islamic land, something the Arab world hasn’t been able to accept since 1948- despite having their collective arses handed to them every time they try another genocide.
A ‘Christian’ pilot isnt on a bombing run because he wants to kill people based on their religion. If you’re refering to Iraq, he’s in the sky targeting terrorists (not insurgents- get realistic), as are the marines on the ground. If you’re referring to Germany circa 1940s, he’s in the sky defending Europe (interestingly enough, from the very types of people many Muslims allied themselves with).
Despite what the feral left and their mates in the media tell you, a ‘Zionist’ Apache pilot isn’t targeting civilians, but Palestinian (if there is such a thing) terrorists, supporters, and safe havens.
If you’re going to deny the latter, at least think about Jenin and the damage it did to Israel’s reputation- and the individual soldiers- before you tap away at the keyboard (probably from the safety of a Western nation)
- 83- Decide as you will.
84- I was speaking of the morality but if you wish to talk numbers, I will talk numbers.
In Iraq, almost every man of the defenders of the country are from Iraq. They are defending their own country from aggressors. The British military survey found this out. They also found that most of the people want the invading armies to go.
A big cluster bomb, napalm bomb, or any other of the weapons dropped, are dropped on everybody below. What can they do?? Run?
The numbers that die are clear even though the americans don’t count. Others do. The British medical survey noted how many extra deaths occured from the invasion. It was over 200,000. The study has not been criticised by people who understnad how to do such work, only the peopl who do not like the numbers.
Apaches or Predators or Tanks often miss. They often fire their weapons into crowded places Where people live. You use the slippery words of people who spread fear and say “safe haven”. So the fighter runs into a house. Who decides to destroy the house.
What do they think will happen when they miss?
The soldiers have killed many innocent civilians. They have killed many reporters. The americans are reckless and dangerous and use very cruel weapons. Phosphorous and napalm where civilians will be.
Fallujah, a large city, has been crushed flat. Think of the people who died as they did that. Many civilians were left in the city. That is a war crime. The British army have said they are undisciplined and arrgravate many situations. They are not heros. But they are there killing people they hate becasue their leader tells them to be afraid of them and kill them.A Palestinian suicide attack is not carried out because of a difference in religion. However, the religion difference makes it more likely such an action will occur. Have you read the book by the american CIA man, Daniel Papes? It explains why such things happen.
The Palestinians people were cruelly thrown off their land that they had owned and lived on for many years. Many villages were destroyed. This is a history that is true but hidden and denied from guilt and shame.
The palestinian people have been humiliated and beaten again and again when all they want is some of the land and freedom others have.
For every 1 Israeli that is killed, 5 Palestinians are killed. For every 1 Israeli that is injured, 10 Palestinians are injured. Why the difference in the numbers?
The Israelis have modern weapons and use them freely. The Palestinians have much less weapons, only themselves. That is why they kill themselves, to attack the people who repress them. Every Jewish and Druze in Israel must be a soldier. Did you know that?
It is very frightening to think that your enemy will walk up to you and blow up. Many people can not understand how somebody will do that. They have to live the life of that person to understand. If they did not live that life, nobody could make them hate that much to kill themselves.
I do not think any people want to live that sort of life, to be happy to blow up.
I do not understand what you mean about Jenin. Did the soldiers have to knock down so many houses with people in them. Are we to be sorry for the dead civilians or the soldiers who killed them?
You speak so casually of innocent deaths of others that occur in war, do not waste your time to pity me. It is you who needs pity for their is little knowledge and so no understanding in you.Posted by alluh_fazah on 2006 02 01 at 09:13 AM • permalink
- Talk about slick and oily, you, Alluh, beat any slime I’ve encountered in a long time. I is only so satisfying that you are so transparent in your stupidities. Hey, what makes you think we are afraid of you and your kind? We’ve beaten your ass over and over again and will continue to do so. This cry of “Give Peace A Chance” while you prepare to kill innocent men and women is growing tiresome. The world is catching on to how you employ child-sacrifice, child homicide bombers, and the world is not afraid of you, just sickened. Roll around in your self-indulgent, holier than thou, empty,vague generalizations and idiotic comparisons. I give credit to antony27 and others who have tried to patiently explain the facts. They will get nowhere with you. You are impervious to facts. Understand this. We’ll get the monsters before they get us.
- In Iraq, almost every man of the defenders of the country are from Iraq. They are defending their own country from aggressors.
You’re a freedom fighter for detonating yourself at a Mosque, or blowing up a crowd of kids who get some lollies (candy for Tim’s American readers) from US marines, because it makes the US look bad? You have a warped view of freedom, and a sick view of ‘fighting’.
The soldiers have killed many innocent civilians. They have killed many reporters. The americans are reckless and dangerous and use very cruel weapons. Phosphorous and napalm where civilians will be.
I’m not going to deny civilians will die during wars, but the numbers your talking about are unrealistic. 200,000 you reckon? 10% of Iraq? Sure, mate- if you can convince yourself its real enough I suppose.
The Palestinians people were cruelly thrown off their land that they had owned and lived on for many years. Many villages were destroyed. This is a history that is true but hidden and denied from guilt and shame.
The Palestinian people dont exist as any kind of independent culture/civilisation.
What Palestinians are you talking about? Edward Said- an Egyptian. Thousands of people thrown out of their houses so the Jews can live there- a constantly peddled load of BS thriving in the Middle East. The Palestinians were offered a state without Jews. The Jews were offered a non-contiguous state filled with violent Arab Muslims.
The palestinian people have been humiliated and beaten again and again when all they want is some of the land and freedom others have.
Yes, that’s why they elect the likes of Hamas.
For every 1 Israeli that is killed, 5 Palestinians are killed. …
Yes they have. Does it have anything to do with Arafat’s decree that no Arab be allowed to visit a Jewish hospital or be treated by Jewish doctors? Hmm, I wonder…
Maybe it also has something to do with the fact that the figures for the Palestine dead include the suicide-homicide bombers themselves, and blatantly made up deaths.
That is why they kill themselves, to attack the people who repress them. Every Jewish and Druze in Israel must be a soldier. Did you know that?
Actually your wrong, those entering religious schools are not required to undergo military service. In any case, this is the sacrifice a democracy in a sea of suicide bombers and 13th century clerics must make. The Palestinians kill themselves because they are a deluded bunch of Jew-haters, who think that they can force out every Jew. Unfortunately for your little mates in the Arab world- these Jews are armed.
I do not understand what you mean about Jenin.
The so-called Jenin massacre. The Israelis were accused of killing hundreds or thousands of Muslims. It was a blatant peddled by the PA for a bit of good press in the Western media. 25 people died, with about half (or more) being terrorists.
- #85, I wrote 86 before I read your most recent canard. You are not only impervious to the facts, you make up your own. But you are right in that the Palestinians(as they call themselves) have been humiliated and beaten over and over. Well, let’s see in a short space why. First, there were no “Palestinians” before ‘48, and the Arabs did not alone live on land that was called Palestine at the time. There was a large Jewish population, continually subject to Arab pogroms. In ‘48 the land was patitioned, but the so-called Palestinians did not accept it and with 7 Arab countries, attacked the Jews. The Arabs were beaten and humiliated, but saved by the Western powers from complete destruction. Subsequent history has repeated itself. Arabs have employed aggression in one form or another over the last 55 years, encouraging and financing the now “Christened” Palestinians to perform violence of the most horrific kind. Given the chance over and over again to negotiate,(as one example, Barak offered Arafat 97% of the West Bank and all Gaza for a state, the result, a 2 yr infanticada) they have repeatedly refused and fallen back on performing the most horrible outrages possible.
Ah, Alluh, I can only guess you are a Mullah of some kind. Your smug language, weird construction and your misspellings give you away. Ex. “It is you who needs pity for their [sic] is little knowledge and so no understanding in you.”
- Hey, Alluh, with his generalized drivel, has driven us off the point. The demonstrated lunacy of the Muslim threatening murder over a few cartoons in a far away place that would have gone by unnoticed accepet for the Muslim interest in violent, homicidal revenge for every slight to the “Religion of Peace” no matter how small. Pretty good, Abdul, to make us swerve to the left to keep us from commenting on the facts and engage us in an empty debate about generalizations.
- “a metastasis of islamosupremecists”Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 02 01 at 03:47 PM • permalink
The British medical survey noted how many extra deaths occured from the invasion. It was over 200,000.
Wow, that’s good. That Lancet study said between 5,000 (?)(can’t remember the low number) and 100,000. Now our new pal has casually inflated it to 200,000. Next year it will be 300,000.
Are you naive, dishonest, or both, Alluh?
- My good friend and colleague, alluh, wishes to let you all know that he is well, despite finding the board seems to be always “down” when he logs on. So even Hate Sites have standards, do they??
He asked me to pass on some final comments, which I will be glad to. My english is a little more fluent that his but then I can’t speak or write a word of Arabic..
Some of these are my comments, seeing how you have responded to the very reasoned points that he makes. Yes, there are some errors in a couple of the details, but they are errors of omission, not commission like most of your dreadful lies and evil misrepresentations.#88 You have a very primitive grasp of the history of Palestine. Peters “Since Time Immemorial” is not history, it is a fraud. That is the least of the nonsense you believe in. People like you can’t even be polite and reasoned to a person you know nothing of, yet you make hideous racist slurs about others. There is a name for that.
#87-92 Unfortunately for you, there are many documents to remind us of what the country was really like pre 1948. It was not empty. Nobody nowadays believes that nonsense. See point above re Peters. The British kept very precise records, which clearly indicate the numbers who lived there and where.
IZL/IDF documents indicate beyond a doubt the extent of the destruction and the murders etc that occured during this “ethnic cleansing”
the number of Palestinians involved was approx 7 – 800000.
The UN report on Jenin said over 50 civilians had died and that was a gross under estimate. Your numbers, like your logic, are rubbish.So you can make a “silly mistake” with your figures??
The number of 200000 extra deaths in Iraq was mooted at one point but The Lancet study give the number at approx 100000. Guess that is more acceptable to you, eh?
The number, you silly pedant, refers to all extra deaths that occured in Iraq since the invasion. Not just the “side effects” of modern weaponry on civilians.It must really upset you intellects that most of the world is so far ahead of you.
Just one small example. More and more Jews in America are turning against the policies of the Israeli government as they bear witness to the crimes, day after day. They and others, are involved with many organisation and groups, both in and outside Israel, of all beliefs, who are working to end the killings, ethnic cleansing and “bantustanisation” that characterise the Palestinian Holocaust.
Your black propoganda and ignorant, twisted philosophies only serve to show you up for what you are.
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