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Last updated on March 5th, 2018 at 02:03 pm
Tom Kaade was one of the heroes of September 11:
Kaade lives in South Bend, Indiana. When the WTC was attacked, Kaade and his friends Ron and Wayne drove a Dodge pickup to Ground Zero, where the trio loaded the truck with ice and bottles. “Help yourself to a drink, sir,” Kaade called out to every cop, ambulance staffer or fireman who wandered past.
At some stages they were giving away 640 bottles of water and soft drink every hour, while Kaade glared at the rescue site, quietly furious there was nothing more he could do.
I don’t know if Kaade voted for Bush or Gore in the 2000 election; meeting him in the circumstances described above, after he and his friends had driven 600 miles to buy all those drinks for rescue workers, it didn’t seem significant. It still doesn’t … except when you consider that Kaade is from a red state, and you read something like this, by California’s Joseph Cannon:
My original reaction to the Katrina catastrophe was going to be: “NOT ONE DIME.”
For an hour or so, I contemplated the idea of turning it into a crusade: No-one in the blue states (where the money is) should give one dime of aid to the victims of this hurricane, which devastated Bush-friendly regions …
So why was I thinking of starting a movement against giving aid to the stricken areas?
Because these are red states. They voted for Bush. These ninnies obviously wanted these policies, and they deserve to live with the consequences of their votes.
A large part of me still believes that many of these W-worshipping numbskulls deserve to suffer and to die. They brought it on themselves. Let them look to Jayzuss for aid: It’s time they stopped leeching off the more productive blue staters …
So, at least, I started to write. But then (to paraphrase the old song) I thought I’d better think it out again.
Many of the victims, the ones who have suffered the most, are poor. The hardest hit were the blue state folk living among the red state maniacs. New Orleans, we should note, went heavily for Kerry.
And that’s why we must help. Although it was very tempting to say otherwise.
If they were all Bush voters, however … have fun dying! Cannon echoes Michael Moore, who wrote on September 12, 2001:
They did not deserve to die. If someone did this to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people who DID NOT VOTE for him. Boston, New York, D.C., and the planes’ destination of California—these were the places that voted AGAINST Bush.
When the Bush-loathing pathogen is so active that reaction to 9/11 or Katrina first focuses on who the victims may have voted for, well, for these people there is no hope. One anti-Bush reader of Cannon’s piece maintains perspective:
You, sir, are a scumbag. People in the heartland LINED UP to help New Yorkers after 9/11, regardless of the fact that most heartlanders have ALWAYS viewed NYC with distrust and disdain. People in the heartland LINE UP to help when California is ravaged by earthquakes, or mudslides, or wildfires, or…regardless of the fact that many heartlanders view California as LaLa Land, Where Anything Goes.
People like you are the reason Democrats will CONTINUE to lose elections. As much as I loathe Geo. Bush (for this war in Iraq, for failing to secure our borders, for doing nothing as our manufacturing base erodes still further) I was happy to see him win last year’s election only because I knew people like you were John Kerry supporters. Slime.
(Via LGF)
- Given that many African-Americans have been affected and that as a demographic, are heavy Democrat supporters, to politicise the issue is stupid in the extreme.Posted by Nic on 09/02 at 10:58 PM • permalink
- Tim, I’m counting on you to try to bring some sanity and balance into the reporting coming out of Australia. Some publications I’ve been reading the past couple of days are feeding on hysteria.
Of course, Fox News hit a low this evening with Geraldo holding a toddler, yelling into the camera that
this baby is the face of suffering. For God sake, let these people go!
I think the kid was doing okay until Geraldo starting yelling, then the kid got upset and started crying.
- My local paper has an editorial saying Bush delayed sending support because he’s a racist.Posted by Deo Vindice on 09/02 at 11:13 PM • permalink
- The following was taken from a US ‘liberal’ website – cant you just *feel* the hate. This person is amusingly unaware that she has outed herself as a worthless spiteful excuse for a human being. She claims: ‘I feel really bad as a human being’.
Silly way to feel really – to feel bad as a human being, you first have to *be* a human being. I suppose we can expect much more of this from the compassinate left during the next few weeks.
Fri Sep-02-05 01:01 PM
Original message
I did not stop to help a * supporter today.‘I had no idea how deeply my hate for that man ran. My lack of an interaction, with a * supporter is still haunting me a couple of hours later.
I was on my home and was on the ramp getting off the highway. I saw a mini-van on the side of the road. There was a lady standing next to the van and in her arms she held her child. I can only assume her mini-van had broken down. I don’t know, perhaps with so many gas stations being out of gas, she had also run out. I slowed down and started to pull over to offer her a ride. At the very last second I noticed a “W” sticker on the back of her vehicle and I sped up and drove off.
I feel really bad as a human being. That child is not responsible for their parent’s belief system. They are innocent and do not deserve to be out in the heat. (It is warm but not so bad that they would even break a sweat) I try not to punish people for what they believe.
On the other hand, so many hateful thoughts went through my head. I wondered how a person could see what was going on in NO and still have one of those awful stickers on their car. How could they support an awful excuse for a human being that has let our country down and is letting Americans die after they have made it through the storm? How can someone be so blind and so stupid?
I thought that if she loves * so much, maybe he would come along and help her the same way he is rescuing all of those poor people in the weather stricken part of our country. Let’s see what her hero can do for her.
I never did go back. I was so upset with that sticker and with the fact that someone would support an idiot who is so clearly running our country into the ground.
So why am I writing this? It is not to boast, I really feel bad about passing this child and not picking up their mother. Perhaps it is for a catharsis of sorts? That would be an educated guess. I suppose it is because I feel conflicted and I am writing this to try and sort through what I am feeling. There are two emotional sides, for me, on this incident and neither seems completely right or wrong to me. Even writing this, I am still not able to work through what happened. I feel like I am floating between right and wrong and am unable to grab either side.
Thanks for listening’.
Dont mention it. You’ve reminded me of the depths some people will sink to – I keep forgetting.
- #4 murph. It was the Northern Star at lismore NSW. I’ve sent some details to Tim.Posted by Deo Vindice on 09/02 at 11:24 PM • permalink
- Mark my word, the mouth-frothing parlour revolutionaries like Cannon and his ilk are not going to be satisfied until they’ve fomented another civil war. Aided and abetted, of course, by charlatans like Jesse Jackson and his traveling minstrel show of race hucksters. What boggles the mind is the notion these people have that their vitriolic hatred is somehow motivated by noble and humane impulses, whereas it should be clear to the meanest intelligence that it arises from the pathologies associated with a titanic egotism and a purely destructive nihilism. On the upside, their hopes are probably doomed because of the great good sense of the majority of Americans, in conjunction with the fact that advocates of the second amendment tend to be righties (i.e., we have most of the guns).
- #5 dee:
One thing that always gets me about those DU people is that they’re so pathological, they can’t even bear to type Bush’s name. It’s alwats “* did this” or “I hate *”.
How insane is that?
Posted by Evil Pundit on 09/02 at 11:37 PM • permalink
- Evil Pundit,
Childish, innit?
That’s what they are; spoiled, self-indulgent children.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 09/02 at 11:51 PM • permalink
- Evil – it bothers me because its absolutely pathological, almost demented. I didnt have any respect for Mark Latham and would have been tempted to holiday overseas for a few years if he had ended up as PM – but to feel this kind of hatred and spite?
ALP voters in my ex-workplace (govt. dept. you can imagine) loathed Howard to the point where I found it amusing to watch their faces morph from reasonable human being to brainwashed hater in 2 seconds.
Its easy to see why elements of the left have allied themselves with radical Islam – they really have the same aims and principles at heart.
- My jaw hit the floor when I read this. What the f***?
This is beyond Bush Derangement Syndrome, which initially started out as a joke, and later became an apt syndrome. As dee puts it, this is freakin’ pathological. It is sick.
Its easy to see why elements of the left have allied themselves with radical Islam – they really have the same aims and principles at heart.
I can’t say it any better than this, dee. I just hope that some of the stupid bastards really figure out the road they travel down before it is too late.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 09/03 at 12:23 AM • permalink
- She says she felt bad as a human being. Hmm, seems a little presumptous to me.
How would she know how a human feels?Posted by Quidnunc Savant on 09/03 at 12:25 AM • permalink
- Some of the comments in the wake of Katrina have reached a new low in political discourse. The quotes posted by Tim are psychotic. I rummaged my memory for instances when we right of centres may have been so barbarically politically-focused to the detriment of victims in the past and can’t think of anything to match this stuff. Hopefully more reasonable people on the left will take time to distance themselves from this loopy element.
- Captain’s Quarters is suggesting a fortnight moratorium on political debate surrounding Katrina. As he put it:
For now, we need to focus on the task at hand, which is to get food, water, and shelter for the victims of Katrina and start planning on how to pull New Orleans out of the muck, literally and figuratively.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 09/03 at 12:37 AM • permalink
- it’s actually about a 700 mile drive.
http://maps.google.com/maps?spn=9.586846,15.885132&saddr=Re typing “*” instead of “bush”, I guess I’d rather see that than BusHitler.
SOUTH+BEND,+IN&daddr=NEw+york+city,+ny&hl=enCopy and paste each part of the link into your browser address field. The long url was breaking the page so I edited it. The Management.
- JeffS: Nice of him to try, but I think that agreement will be marked more in breach than in practice. :/Posted by Patrick Chester on 09/03 at 02:06 AM • permalink
- Thanks for the link Treach! (rolls eyes). I spent ten minutes there trying to work out if that site was real or satire. ‘It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever’ (David St. Hubbins)Posted by Deo Vindice on 09/03 at 03:13 AM • permalink
- This stuff is almost beyond belief! I think a few years agoit would not have happened. It shows what the Left and the Adversary Culture in general have become.Posted by Susan Norton on 09/03 at 03:29 AM • permalink
- #5 dee:
The poster of that confused nonsense at Democratic Underground, “demgurl”, made a follow-up post at #21 on her own thread:
demgurl (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-02-05 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #1
21. No matter who it is, next time I will pull over.
If both of our sides start acting this way then the country will be even more divided than it is right now. I don’t know how freepers can act this way and not even think twice about it.demgurl
Just think of that last line, from the original poster:
“I don’t know how freepers can act this way, and not even think twice about it.”
How seriously fucked-up are these deranged people?
- For a psychological analysis of that DU post (by a real psychiatrist, no less), go visit Dr Sanity.Posted by Evil Pundit on 09/03 at 05:36 AM • permalink
- Thanks for that post, EP!
It is possible that twenty or so years down the track, there will be recognition of the “Me Generation” and the disaster that psychotic narcissism unleashed upon society.
While the left are howling at the moon that this disaster is somehow the fault of the evil Bu$hitler, the RWDB blogs are linking to aid sites.
Go figure.
- I place all the blame for this on God’s shoulders. He has been getting away with too much this past million or so years and it is time he was brought to task. And now he is not lifting a finger to clean up the place. He made it didn’t he, so why is he allowing his world to get so messy? I am very cross with you man upstairs, do you hear me? The least you can do is identify yourself so we can stop fighting over who you are. It is just too much, what a crappily designed place this is, earthquakes, floods and droughts. I am beginning to wonder whether you are even there, I am not afraid to say it.
- Re “demgurl’s” judgement of a family stranded by the side of the road, she has made some seriously rooted presumptions.
Such as
a)the adults voted
b)they voted for Bush.Just because there is a sticker of support, that means nothing. If I bought a car that had a bumper sticker on supporting a particular footy club, for example, I wouldn’t waste my time trying to scrape it off the car. It’s only a bit of sticky paper with some squiggles on it. Big deal.
I would never put a sticker on my car because I think it’s tacky.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 09/03 at 07:37 AM • permalink
- I went to Bradblog and read the whole post by guest blogger Cannon. I was gobsmacked. There is no other (polite)term for it. So I submitted my owncomment:
…Nilknarf said on 9/3/2005 @ 4:36am PT…
I’ve not read all the comments – I just wanted to read what Mr Cannon actually had to say. I’ve not been to LGF today, and probably won’t get there until next week.
I’m from Oz, and have been struck yet again by the stupid stick.
From what I can see, there had been a massive natural disaster, and people are debating whether to assist on the grounds of who somebody votes for?
I thought people voting on the left side of things were supposed to be humane.
How can you consider politicising a tragedy of these dimensions before the water has receded? Surely the important thing is to reduce the loss of life and liberty of your fellow Americans?
When did you lose your soul, America?
When did you stop caring for those less fortunate than yourselves, regardless of their voting habits?
When did you become so judgemental that you blame everyone and everything except happenstance?Hurricanes happen.
Typhoons happen.
Tsunamis happen.
Bushfires, droughts, earthquakes, volcanoes all happen.Did Bush cause all of those? Is the GOP responsible for the tsunami that devastated the other side of the world on Boxing Day last year?
Guys, your country is hurting, and you are ripping into the wound.
One of the things I’ve always loved about the USA is its warm acceptance of all comers.
Where did it go?
How can you even consider not helping your selves?(I’m not previewing so please excuse any typos. cheers)
I don’t expect any sort of sane response to this at all, but I had to say something – this is beyond appalling.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 09/03 at 07:42 AM • permalink
- Copy and paste each part of the link into your browser address field. The long url was breaking the page so I edited it. The Management.
Or consider www.tinyurl.com
Nice tinyurl add-in for Firefox here.
Posted by walterplinge on 09/03 at 07:48 AM • permalink
- Kaboom: It is possible that twenty or so years down the track, there will be recognition of the “Me Generation” and the disaster that psychotic narcissism unleashed upon society.
My wife calls them the “Whitlam Generation”.
Posted by walterplinge on 09/03 at 07:53 AM • permalink
- Re: #20
“…with the setup, the way America is set up to help the um, uh poor, the, the black people, the uh, the less well off as slow as possible, I mean this is, Red Cross is doing everything they can, we, we already realize a lot of the people that could help are at war right now, fighting a different way, and they, they, they’ve given them permission to go down and shoot us. […]“George Bush doesn’t care about black people.”
~ Kanye West ~(via: confederate yankee)
Guys, your country is hurting, and you are ripping into the wound.
It’s not their country unless it helps them win an argument. I’ve always recognized the utter self-involvement of the left since one of them leaned out the window of his Lincoln Navigator to yell “No blood for oil!” at me. But Joey sure crystallized the sentiment.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 09/03 at 10:17 AM • permalink
- Left a little love note over at BradBlog…
So Bush called the LA governor Thursday before the storm urging an evacuation. She did nothing. It’s Bush’s fault.
Hundreds of New Orleans city and school buses sat unused in parking lots instead of taking part in the evacuation. It’s Bush’s fault.
The levee that broke had just been upgraded, in spite of the awful horrible budget cuts. The levees’ maintenance is a local responsibility. It’s Bush’s fault.
Not one country anywhere in the world that did sign Kyoto is meeting its emissions targets. It’s Bush’s fault.
Right. Oh, and Brad, make sure you blame Bush for your lung cancer, smoker.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 09/03 at 10:41 AM • permalink
- When I go to Tim Dunlop’s blog, I try to write sensible substantive comments, debating the issues with the lefty liberals. But here, I see no need to. So many of you do such a better job than I can. So all I’m left with is debating with Richard McEnroe as to why I’m now worthy of ascending to full fledged membership in the Evil Cult Known as:
–> Neoconservatism <–
(cue Bach funereal organ music, and maybe a nice blood curdling scream in the background).
Nilknarf Arbed’s comment left on Bradblog’s site is a very good example. Very nicely written. I would just bet that McEnroe doesn’t give him “tasks to prove his worthiness”. Like moving a damn lake in Russia. Teacher’s pet.
Posted by wronwright on 09/03 at 11:38 AM • permalink
- wronwright — You are no longer permitted to mention the lake in Russia until you finish moving the lake under the Antarctic ice cap. And don’t tell me you lost both the corkscrew and the Silly Straw.
As for Nilknarf — Of course I don’t assign him tasks. We’ve known each since Evil Neocon Prep School. Why, many’s the afternoon we’ve whiled away at the Evil Neocon Yacht Club, laughing at our youthful adventures over snifters of Christian babies’ blood…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 09/03 at 11:59 AM • permalink
- You know, I’m an absolute idiot. I just now figured out that Nilknarf Arbed is a woman and what her name is.
I am so slow. Just to think, I thought her name maybe was Arabic.
(in my defense, I am not a cryptologist)
Posted by wronwright on 09/03 at 12:30 PM • permalink
- wronwright — *sigh* I see we have to have The Talk about operational security again…Posted by richard mcenroe on 09/03 at 12:37 PM • permalink
- Wronwright, I’m gobsmacked. I don’t know how you could have missed it! LMAO!
Maybe I should have stepped up earlier and offered to bear Karlrove’s lervchild.
I still don’t know exactly who Karlrove is, but since he’s all powerful and has so many of the VRWC in his thrall, he’s obviously someone I should be on verygood terms with.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 09/03 at 07:08 PM • permalink
- I’m not usually big on country music, but I usually listen to a few days straight whenever I come back from Europe. In the song “Have You Forgotten,” the singer refers to the WTC destruction “we had neighbors there inside…” This is from the supposedly divisive, bigoted, NASCAR-followin’, red-state, country music goobers. I wonder if people from New York ever think of country music fans as neighbors…Posted by Assistant Village Idiot on 09/03 at 07:16 PM • permalink
- Cannon is fact challenged as well as being inhumane. Louisiana is a Blue State. The cowardly mayor of New Orleans, who has for the last crisis days been hiding in Baton Rouge and who showed no leadership at all while he was in New Orleans, is an African-American Democrat. The feeble-minded governor, who waited until one day before the hit of a Cat 5 hurricane to urge people to evacuate and who did nothing substantive since,is a White Democrat. The two U.S. Senators are Democrats. So much for a ““Red”” State. The incompetents are all Democrats. If Cannon knew anything about the structure of U.S. Federalism, he would know that the Presidemt can do nothing unless the Governor of a State provides permission in writing. And what is now the latest ““act”” of this Democratic ““Red”” state Governor; today she hired the former and disgraced head of FEMA under Bill Clinton to advise her on how to proceed. And the first thing this jackass does, while bodies are still floating down the levee, is to inform the media that it was a (Republican) mistake to place FEMA under Homeland Security. Hey, Cannon, this is your kindred spirit; place politics and venom in place of human decency.
- Christ! I’d love to give that sleazy New Orleans Mayor, Ray Nagin, a fucken’ good kick up the arse! Giuliani he ain’t! Throw in those silly balck Senators too! It’s not only whites who play the race card it seems!
All that opportunistic, left-wing point-scoring that was thwarted by “unprecedented generosity” in the wake of the Asian tsunami crisis will shamelessly be attempted now!
“RACISM”…MY ARSE!!!
- You know, I’ve been listening to them for a while and the sheer intensity of the hatred is just astounding. Not to mention the fact that they totally can’t understand why others don’t share it. I have a decent undergrad student and she appears to be simply incapable of any emotion or attitude toward Bush than towering hatred. She doesn’t seem to see how corrosive it is, and how it’s affecting the rest of her life. I’ve been trying to get her to simply help the Democrats win elections, by choosing policies and trying to convince others to support them, but that is inadequate for her. She must get everyone to hate Bush.
She appears to be totally uninterested in winning elections unless it is by denigrating Bush.
Also, the things that are “going to open their eyes” and “bring down Bush” have moved from the Downing Street Memos to the Plame Affair, to Judge Roberts, to Cindy Sheehan, to Katrina and New Orleans, to . . . what next? It really does appear to be mass psychosis. When BDS was first bandied about, I thought it was a funny description for political operatives—sorta like the goofier anti-Hillary types in the late 90s. Now I’m becoming convinced it actually belongs in the DSM-IV.Posted by JorgXMcKie on 09/04 at 03:02 AM • permalink
- And this story shines yet a different light on the events that have unfolded in New Orleans:
http://tiadaily.com/php-bin/news/showArticle.php?id=1026
- I have never really understood the role of economists with Kyoto. The statistics that purported to support the fact of global warming were such a quagmire that first they supported the idea of global deserts, then flooding, then no flooding and now apparently, hurricanes. An economist can only effectively use firm statistics othewise he plays to role of witch doctor. Which witch is Quiggin?
- JorgXMcKie: She appears to be totally uninterested in winning elections unless it is by denigrating Bush.
Somebody once said: “”If the facts are on your side, bang on the facts. If the law is on your side, bang on the law. If neither the facts nor the law is on your side, bang on the table.”
Well, she’s banging on the table.
- Mother Mary Landrieu (DEMOCRAT Sen. from the blue state of LA) has learned a lot from Mother Sheehan. When you are about to be exposed for a fool and an idiot, fall back on the high moral ground you have earned through the misfortunes of others. The Washington Post has inadvertently documented the incompetence of the New Orleans Mayor and Louisiana’s nit-wit Governor (see Little Green Footballs). As a retort, Mother Landrieu has threatened to punch the President today on ABC’s “This Week”.
Sen. Mary Landrieu threatened the president of the United States with physical violence on Sunday, saying that if he or any other government official criticizes New Orleans police for failing to keep civil order in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina – “I might likely have to punch him – literally.”
“If one person criticizes [our sheriffs], or says one more thing, including the president of the United States, he will hear from me – one more word about it after this show airs and I – I might likely have to punch him – literally,” Landrieu railed on “ABC’s ”This Week.” Hey, Mother Landrieu, as a former resident of the proud state of Louisiana, I know that you know that men like the President and me would never resort to return violence against any woman, especially one so demented. So you are safe, that is, as long as you don’t punch out the likes of Californian Joseph Cannon.
- What you guys aren’t seeing is the thousands who helped in those first hours…
I managed to find lots and have placed links on my website…but they are from the small town papers…
The MSM thinks that :”Disaster=Feds”…but anyone who worked with the federal gov’t knows that this takes time…and THREE states and TWO cities were destroyed (Biloxi and Gulfport were destroyed…New Orleans was merely flooded). But right after a disaster, the feds have to figure out where the help is needed, then fly it in from 1000 miles away…
We in the USA help our neighbors…and you don’t see reports of people taking in relatives, friends and strangers who were evaculated..nor of churches, organizations and Indian tribes who got up and helped during these critical hours. Why not? Because the MSM doesn’t bother to report good news, especially if the helpers are right wing church goers….And if not much of this help reached N.O. remember: Much of it went elsewhere, while N.O. was still safe, and then when the flooding began, the roads were impassable, and those helping were busy getting people out of flooded homes, not feeding the refugees, who were essentially safe…
