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Gwynne Dyer: “The Paris riots are actually a splendid demonstration of the successful integration of immigrants into French culture …”
- Surley ‘french culture’ is an oxymoron. Maybe she means they’re as badly behaved as the French.Posted by RainDog on 2005 11 08 at 04:53 AM • permalink
- Spontainious as the Oz detention centre fires!Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 11 08 at 05:39 AM • permalink
- Just looking at the spread of incidents and the varying nature of many of the provincial centres on the map, it shows the excuse of the louts being ‘herded into poor suburbs without, and lacking opportunities’ as being a lie.
Are you going to tell me that each place that has experienced violence offers no hope/employment to these people? Pull the other one.
- The real problem is not the failure of multiculturalism. The Paris riots are actually a splendid demonstration of the successful integration of immigrants into French culture (which has, after all, a long tradition of insurrection and revolution). The Paris riots are not a Muslim uprising. They are not even race riots. They are outbursts of resentment and frustration by the marginalized and the unemployed of every ethnic group.
Splendid!
- I am soooo embarrassed….he is Canadian…and a fool. The only good thing is he spends most of his time in England these days. To add insult to injury I am also half French. Dyer is wrong on the integration part, but sort of right about the expression of resentment. Except that almost all the “marginalized and the unemployed” happen to be African and Muslim. They have been kept in ghettos and used as cheap labour, but have no claim to citizenship. The police never go there except in platoon strength and the last time there were big riots in the 60s the French just sent in troops and dumped the bodies into the Seine. There will come a point when someone decides to give this lot a “whiff of grape shot”. The interesting thing will be if the Army acts on its own before the politicians make a move.Posted by Arnaudinoz on 2005 11 08 at 06:20 AM • permalink
- Arnaudinoz,
I think the French Government is too scared to use the military. If they send them in, and it turns out like Gaza or the West Bank and the intifada drags on and on without resolution, then France will end up ceding sovereignty over La Zone and end up with Muslim autonomous mini states within France. Once they are ‘formally’ fighting the Muslims the Racaille will be supported by all sorts of Arab and Islamic countries and be funded and proabably attract Al Qaeda to the cause. Once they deploy the Army they have no where else to go, if they can’t guarantee success they might think it a very expensive mistake and therefore not worth the risk. For my money they should have imposed a curfew by Night 3 and deployed the Army in overwhelming strength by night 5 despite the whinging and hand wringing of the left. But that kind of decisive action is just so intolerant and soooo un French. Now it may well be too late. The French have just displayed one form of pathetic weakness after another which has only served to embolden the youths.Posted by platey mates on 2005 11 08 at 06:42 AM • permalink
- Just found this comment on Andrew West’s site…
Terror rhymes with error – something the politician scum know plenty about.
Household chemicals like bleach, peroxide solution, sodium chloride now make you a terrorist ! (if your moslem)
I have never feared nor ever will fear terrorist as the probability of dying from lightening or a meteorite are far greater ,the sky is falling,the sky is falling
I do fear our government,
They ban guns like Hitler
They enact laws that enable them to “disappear” people in the dead of the night,just like Hitler
People who disagree with them are labelled terrorists ,just like Hitler
They hate sosial democrats,trade unionists and this time around Moslems instead of jews,just like Hitler
Vhere are your papers?Very deep.
Posted by James Waterton on 2005 11 08 at 07:32 AM • permalink
- Oh crap, that site’s like Webdiary.. new comments are added at the top. Lame. Anyway, J Stone made the comment.Posted by James Waterton on 2005 11 08 at 07:43 AM • permalink
- Tim- this looks like a job for HUMAN SHIELDS. Where do we sign up?Posted by Mystery Meat on 2005 11 08 at 07:48 AM • permalink
- Sorry France,
the jihad is on. The Iranian
Journalists are calling for a probe into the unrest in France. All the usual business how the Zionists have tricked the French into abusing the French Muslims human rights etc. Oh well, looks like the Millets of La Zone is signing up its first international recognition soon to be followed by political and military support. To the French appeasers, Islam shows you contempt. Start taking this seriously and face facts squarely, you are now at war with Islam.Posted by platey mates on 2005 11 08 at 07:49 AM • permalink
Once they are ‘formally’ fighting the Muslims the Racaille will be supported by all sorts of Arab and Islamic countries and be funded and proabably attract Al Qaeda to the cause.
Hey, that sounds just like Gilles Pontecorvo’s “masterpiece”, The Battle Of Algiers! Such a splendid piece of revolutionary cinema, studied regularly at the Cinematheque, no doubt. Why, oh why, should the French complain about such a scenario, having celebrated its cinematic record for lo these many decades. How unsophisticated!
Posted by rick mcginnis on 2005 11 08 at 08:10 AM • permalink
- France’s military options are bleak, deploy the French Army (too easily confused with ‘destroy the French Army’). How about using that European ‘Rapid Reaction Force’. Get it? Rapid_Reaction_Force. Is there a word in there that comes close to describing it? As a last resort they can always deploy the German army. The French are already accustomed to seeing them in the streets periodically.
On a depressing note, the political dynamics in western Europe have just been turned upside down. This bullying that the French have suffered will shape foreign and domestic policies of the EU for years to come.
- I heard on the PBS Newhour program and on DW-TV, the German public broadcaster, that the riots have indeed spread to Belgium and to Berlin too! I also heard this unsettling statistic; far from being triggered by the untimely death of two fleeing criminals, this car burning spree seems to be a bit of a habit for these dumb thugs. A total of 28,000 cars have been set alight in France in 2005!
- You know, something incredible just occurred to me. The French rioters, just like the aspiring terrorists arrested yesterday in Melbourne & Sydney, just like the perpetrators of the Sept 11 atrocities, just like the mass murderers of Israeli, Iraqi, British, Sudanese, Indian, Filipino, Afghan, Nigerian, etc. civilians, all happen to be muslims. That’s an amazing coincidence! I mean, what are the odds?Posted by Jim Geones on 2005 11 08 at 08:49 AM • permalink
- Long periods of stagnation punctured by occasional outbursts of revolution is indeed a French tradition. There has been a revolutionary outbreak of one kind or another every generation in France since 1789, with the exception of World War 1. Sending in the Army won’t do any good given the Army’s almost unbroken tradition of giving up. Their first step would probably be to arrange surrender talks with the teenagers 🙂
- Let’s see if I have this right:
Islamic dictatorships plunder their countries’ wealth and export their unemployed to democratic-socialist countries.
The new arrivals accumulate until they overwhelm the socialist economies’ ability to absorb them.
Their offspring demonstrate the resentment that all welfare recipients eventually show toward their benefactors.
Violence ensues.
And according to socialists the world over, we’re not supposed to be overthrowing Islamic dictators … WHY?
Posted by Rittenhouse on 2005 11 08 at 10:30 AM • permalink
- Keep in mind, that Dyer article was published in Philadelphia, the progressive city that solves its own racial and religious problems by bombing them from helicopers. So their standard of “successful” ain’t the highest…Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 11 08 at 10:35 AM • permalink
- jlc — That’s not what they did in Philly. Think “urban Waco”…
And breaking news, France has declared a state of emergency… following the sighting of the first US relief ships carrying emergency cargos of Dodge Crossfires, Ford Mustangs and Gallo wines…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 11 08 at 11:36 AM • permalink
- If you’re just dying to read the article, I think you can find it at something called the Tehran Times (!) – http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=11/8/2005&Cat=14&Num=001
(You may have to copy&paste; that…not sure the link will survive posting intact.)
BTW, if you look closely you can make out De Gaulle’s face in the flame pattern.
- #17: Whoa, wait a minute! Is Andrew West saying that he’s AGAINST gun control? How did that get into his litany of leftist platitudes? BTW, a question for you statisticians out there: is it really more likely that a person will be killed by a meteorite than by a terrorist? I should think not, especially considering that meteorites don’t target non-muslims. West’s screed, incidentally, is just plain bad writing and puerile attitudinizing. Is he lobbying for a prominent position in the Irrelevancy Hall of Fame?
- “Gwynne Dyer: “The Paris riots are actually a splendid demonstration of the successful
integrationinfiltration ofimmigrantsJihadis into French culture …””Damn pointy-headed academics whitewashing the invasion…
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2005 11 08 at 01:46 PM • permalink
- Bah. Even my old left-wing History professors thought Gwynne Dyer was full of crap.Posted by Major John on 2005 11 08 at 02:45 PM • permalink
- #42, Dave S.: “The only living thing ever known to have been killed by a meteor was a very unlucky dog in Egypt many years ago.”
I remember reading in the Guinness Book of World Records, some years ago, that there was only one documented case of a human being actually struck (in this case, grazed) by a meteorite (said meteorite going through several ceilings/floors and catching a woman in a downstairs room).
Posted by Bruce Lagasse on 2005 11 08 at 03:17 PM • permalink
- After reading Bill Roggio’s rundown of “Operation Steel Curtain” – wherein Al Qaida Iraq’s minions are being systematically ground-up against the Syrian border – it just occurred to me that France may be slated to become a new Afghanistan (of sorts).
Providing the Ummah’s primacy in sparking France’s troubles is established, Zarqawi’s European trolls might be desperately attempting to turn what’s left of their [French] ghettos into autonomous Islamist friendly safe havens for the remnants of their Iraq operation to melt into.
Naaaaaa…Couldn’t be.
…On the other hand, it would make the current Frenchifada all Bush’s fault.
</journalist backs self into corner meme>
- The Dayton Daily
SocialistDispatch runs Gwynne Dyer’s columns regularly, with his picture at the top. He’s bespectacled, gray-haired, and goateed, and stares into the camera with the bemused sneer of a flappy old queen. I am surprised to learn he’s a Canadian instead of English. The columns are your usual load of leftist dreck, devoted to Newspeak and devoid of even the slightest nod toward reality.In short, I’m not at all surprised that this old fool applauds the riots in France as symbols of good-will and integration.
- #41, Having asked for a response from a professional statistician to Andrew West’s chant: “have never feared nor ever will fear terrorist as the probability of dying from lightening or a meteorite are far greater”, I can say it is valid as long as you’re a member of one of the many Muslim terrorist groups. But then again, if a member of such a fraternity, you’re less likely to be killed by a meteor than by an Aussie, U.S. soldier, the Israeli IDF, etc., depending upon which of the many such terrorist groups you belong to. If you are a Westerner, or Jew of any location, an Iraqi child, and so forth, then you are more likely to be killed by a terrorist than by a meteor, and in a more horrible style. (Consider that the Twin Towers were never hit by a meteor.) The technical mistake West makes is that he misuses the technical term “probability”, because of his ignorance, amply demonstrated in his chant, when he should have considered the concept of “conditional probability” and identified himself as a terrorist sympathizer, which would have decreased his chances of being killed by a terrorist… or, maybe not.
- Actually, muslims are far more likely to be killed by a meteor(ite) than are westerners.
It’s not uncommon for scores of moonies to be trampled to death whilst doing their ‘round-abouts of Muhammad’s special meteorite encased in silver inside the Ka’bah (…Or however the F&*k it’s spelled).
Although not technically struck by allah’s own meteorite, I posit that the alleged meteorite was the primary reason for the deaths of so many muslims jockeying madly to kiss their sins away.
It’s funny but the meteorite – and ‘the ummah’ that invests that particular rock with the power to cleanse them of their sins – is responsible for more muslim deaths over the years than are the Zionists they hate to distraction.
What a house of cards their prophet built for them…
- In 1990 or 1991 Newsweek published an article that became rather famous. The article dealt with the subject of the difficulty of women marrying as they become older. One statistic was especially troubling: an unmarried woman past the age of 40 has a better chance of being killed in a terrorist attack than getting married. Even though I didn’t actually read the article (I didn’t care if they did or didn’t), I recall this because one of the ladies in the office came into my office crying with the magazine in her hands.
So what is West saying? That poor 40+ year old lady had both a better chance of being killed by a terrorist and an even better chance still of being hit by a meteorite? Well, she’s still not married (mainly because she’s quite the bitch). If I were her, I’d start wearing kevlar body armor and look up to the sky a lot.
Posted by wronwright on 2005 11 08 at 05:29 PM • permalink
- This just in: French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin (who is a man) announces French surrender plan
The French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin has unveiled a raft of social and economic measures aimed at improving conditions in France’s poorer neighbourhoods that have sparked riots across the country.
The intiatives include the creation of 20,000 minimum wage jobs for those in the suburbs struggling to find work.
And an extra $US120 million will be allocated to organisations that work in troubled neighbourhoods.
After cleansing the Banlieu of the scourge of the decadent French automobile, Sheik abu Allahstriketheinfidels and his supporters formed what they called “The Organisation.”
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2005 11 08 at 06:37 PM • permalink
- Shameless link whoring for my possible solution to this mess.
Apologies in advance to the pissed off for this.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 11 08 at 07:21 PM • permalink
- Via Best of the Web, it turns out that this whole mess was caused by Americans!
“It’s been 11 days since two African-American teenagers were killed, electrocuted during a police chase, which prompted all of this.”—CNN anchorman Carol Lin, Nov. 6”
See, this is why the pros in the MSM are so superior to pajama-clad blogscum.
- 18 James’ link leads to a bad place. J Stone’s comment not apparent, seemingly pulled. But they did leave in place the parody-proof M.S.:
Truly, truly ridiculous. Why didn’t they quietly arrest them or ask them in for a chat instead of leaking to the media for big, swooping midnight raids.
Bracks says we have to protect our citizens – well bucko the so-called terrorists are our citizens too.
I am sick to death of this war mongering, fear mongering crap.
* Posted by: Marilyn Shepherd at November 8, 2005 12:50 PMIncryoable, non?
Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2005 11 08 at 07:28 PM • permalink
- 50 Spiney
This just in: French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin (who is a man) announces French surrender plan
I thought you said he was a man.
Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2005 11 08 at 07:36 PM • permalink
- #50. I think I’m going to throw up. 🙁
#57. Stoop, he is a cheese-eating surrender monkey.
I am gobsmacked.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 11 08 at 07:49 PM • permalink
- The intiatives include the creation of 20,000 minimum wage jobs for those in the suburbs struggling to find work.
And how does a government ‘create jobs’ without labour market reform?
That’s right, they’re lefties: saying that they’e going to create jobs is more important than actually doing it.
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2005 11 08 at 08:21 PM • permalink
- Deeply humiliating for the French authorities. They may have to drop a few nukes on Muroroa to restore their sense of virility.Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2005 11 08 at 08:41 PM • permalink
- The riots have spread down under!
As tensions between police and local youths simmered in western Sydney late last night, a Molotov cocktail was thrown into a police car outside the Auburn police station. No officers were in the car at the time, and the fire inside the vehicle was quickly extinguished.
According to 2GB news a few moments ago, police are looking for persons of “Middle Eastern appearance”. Who would have thought?
- In all fairness to the French Prime Minister, his(?) announcement may be part of a carrot-and-stick policy, as the French parliament has granted emergency powers to the security forces.
Curfew powers… um, yeah.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2005 11 08 at 09:29 PM • permalink
Truly, truly ridiculous. Why didn’t they quietly arrest them or ask them in for a chat instead of leaking to the media for big, swooping midnight raids.
Bracks says we have to protect our citizens – well bucko the so-called terrorists are our citizens too. I am sick to death of this war mongering, fear mongering crap.WTF? Who is so stupid that they would say such a completely asinine comment?
* Posted by: Marilyn Shepherd at November 8, 2005 12:50 PM
Oh, well, OK. Makes sense.
Posted by wronwright on 2005 11 08 at 09:47 PM • permalink
The intiatives include the creation of 20,000 minimum wage jobs for those in the suburbs struggling to find work.
How exactly do you say “Danegeld” in Arabic? And how do you expect to get a bunch of uneducated, bigoted, angry young men with government welfare checks in their pockets to show up for “work?”
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 11 08 at 09:47 PM • permalink
And how does a government ‘create jobs’ without labour market reform?
Easy. Drop the maximum work week to 30 hours. And if the Romanian immigrants riot and France wants to give them jobs? 25 hours a week.
Polish immigrants riot? 20 hours a week.
By the time the Russian, Quebecois, Tahitian, and Vietnamese immigrants strike, nobody will be doing diddly squat in France.
Posted by wronwright on 2005 11 08 at 09:51 PM • permalink
- Some knobs on ABC Bris news just now stating that the same (as France) can happen in Australia.
and to stop it we need to do more, give more to these poor, marginalised immigrants. More money should be spend on the ESL (English as a Second Language) classes.
For God’s sake, English is the first language here, get the priorities right. And if they don’t want to learn English (as in France, where they don’t want to learn French – and are therefore unemployable) what can be done?
I watched Our Boys* on the ABC in 2004. About the ethnic mix at Canterbury Boy’s High School (PM Howard’s old High School), and the measures taken by the school to try to integrate these kids, particularly Lebanese muslims. It was interesting to see that those kids with the most problems were fed the line by their parents that they were invincible, they could be whatever they wanted to be (doctor, lawyer, whatever), ‘cos they were so smart and brilliant. The reality was that they couldn’t get anything without and education and hard work.
There was an Islander (Samoan?) boy who had to take care of his mother, he was behind the eight-ball cos he had to translate for his mum and had lots of time off. His family didn’t seem to see that as a problem.
And you can’t slap the parents (let alone the kids!)
* sorry, couldn’t find any transcripts from this.
- #47
Stats, you are onto it:
a terrorist sympathizer, which would have decreased his chances of being killed by a terrorist
That’s the quandary of “peace activists.” They will be murdered first, because they won’t fight back. Only they believe they’re too good to be murdered.
Posted by Rittenhouse on 2005 11 08 at 11:40 PM • permalink
- I think you’re misunderstanding the term “English as a Second Language”…it’s normally not meant to imply secondary language, just that these are classes for people who already have a settled first language (i.e. not children). Insisting that they eventually use English as their primary language is a different matter.
- PW, no, I am not misunderstanding. The mother tongue is not English, so it’s called ESL (and they are the names of the English classes taught). Children do have problems with English, especially if it is never spoken at home.
Less and less importance is now placed on any migrant’s ability to speak and understand English. I find it difficult to cope with non-English speaking and non-English reading people getting driver’s licences, all the road signs are in English; Multiculturalism is a crock, costing taxpayers a bloody fortune to print every social services and Government brochure, etc, in every language of every immigrant in Aus.
and I strongly believe that Multiculturalism = tribalism
/climbs down off milk crate.
- #62 the government can create jobs by spending big
Obviously I made the mistake of interpreting ‘creating jobs’ to mean creation of real jobs 😉
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2005 11 09 at 12:00 AM • permalink
- Mike H. — Plus, they have bathed in the Mai Mulele… bullets are useless against them,Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 11 09 at 01:46 AM • permalink
- The chances of this happening in Australia on the same scale as France is low.
Firstly we don’t have large immigrant ghettos. Sure some live in public housing but there isn’t the concentration of them that there is in France.
The South-West suburbs of Sydney might have the greatest concentration of Muslims in Australia, but most of the trouble makers (in my experience) live with their parents or other relatives in homes they either rent privately or own.
- they have no claim to citizenship
One of the guys arrested here had citizenship,he had arrived as an illegal immigrant and he received every assistance and raised six children here.Turns out it were all for nowt as he still wanted to blow us all to bits.
AND they’ll need to drop a nuke on Muruoa to restore their sense of virility.
Yikes -prepare the lifeboats on the Rainbow Warrior 2…
- (there is a point to this anecdote)
We had 2 very good managers at port hedland detention centre for 2 years. If you acted up you basicly got a week in the management unit to think about it. No ifs or buts about it.
At that stage i thought it was a bit rough as some had what could be considered issues.
Then we recieved a group of about 40 troublemakers from another centre. Within 6 hours they had started a riot over recieving second hand bedding.
That got our 2 good managers sacked, and a new “give them stuff to keep them quiet” approach. We had incidents at the rate of 2 or 3 a week, riots, and 13 managers in the next 2 years.
My opinion about the first 2 managers changed quite a bit.
From individuals acting up and being seen to immediately recieve punishment through to groups of 200 rioting and getting what they demanded (that week) tends to do that.
Frogs havent tried the first approach as its not “nice”, but its a hell of a lot better than encouraging and strengthening it by trying to buy it off.
/rant off.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 11 09 at 05:44 AM • permalink
- From Canada?
Nidra Poller
National PostIn June, 2004, a huge demonstration was staged in Paris to protest the arrival of U.S. President George W. Bush, who made a brief visit to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the D-Day landings. Posters depicted Bush as the world’s worst terrorist. By my first-hand observation, roughly one-third of the marchers came from hard-left parties and organizations: communists, socialists and ecologists, labour unions and wilted flower people. Another third were militant Muslims, many of them with checkered kaffiyehs. The other third were raunchy nihilists high on drugs and beer, marching with pitbulls and Rottweilers, calling for death and destruction. They painted graffiti on lowered store shutters and bus stop shelters, promising “a Paris comme a Falluja la guerilla vaincra” (In Paris as in Falluja, guerrilla warfare will triumph).
…In elite French society, the enemy was clearly identified: not Islamism or Islamofascism, not the stewing mobs in the Paris suburbs, not Saddam Hussein, not al-Qaeda, but the British and U.S. troops in Iraq.
I was half-kidding yesterday that there would be a way that the left would find to blame GWB. I should have made book on it. It was a lock.
- #80 Crash, that’ll be Benbrika:
Mr Benbrika, 45, also known as Abu Bakr, was an aircraft engineer in Algeria. He came to Australia in 1989 and was granted citizenship in 1998.
Once caught overstaying his visa, he married a Lebanese-born Australian woman, with whom he has six children.
His wife has been all over the news looking like she was going to rob a bank in her burkha, and apparently claiming that her husband is innocent.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 11 09 at 08:01 AM • permalink
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Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 11 09 at 08:12 AM • permalink
- How do you spell Danegeld in Arabic? Jizya. That is the poll tax that dhimmis, under Sharia law, are expected to pay for the privilege of not being offered the choice of Islam or death.Posted by Michael Lonie on 2005 11 10 at 12:01 AM • permalink
