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More targeting of Muslims by bullying monocultural Howard supporters:

All state Islamic councils (bar Victoria) are dominated by migrants with few English skills … The imam can rarely, if ever, speak proper English. Imams are almost all from overseas, from non-Western environments and are unable to assist the young even if they want to …

There, these thick-sheiks … pass this isolationist theology and paranoid mentality onto young people and converts … Most are funded by Saudi-based institutions … (B)efore migrant Muslim leaders go pointing the fingers at others, they should start getting their own house in order.

I do hope these views don’t lead to anyone feeling marginalised.

Posted by Tim B. on 09/03/2006 at 08:33 PM
    1. Sheik Hilaly has been here for over two decades and barely speaks a word of English.

      Unfortunately, this whole ‘debate’ has been misrepresented as the PM demanding Muslims speak English, and therefore is seen as unfair on Muslims because he’s not picking on the Greeks, Vietnamese etc.

      English is of course just one part of what he is saying. Yes the Greeks, Italians, Asians should be learning English, however they aren’t running around calling for Jihad and this element seems to have been overlooked by those who are now complaining the loudest..

      Posted by Dan Lewis on 2006 09 03 at 08:44 PM • permalink


    1. Mr Howard, we stand by you and Mr Costello’s remarks.

      Posted by 1.618 on 2006 09 03 at 08:49 PM • permalink


    1. Did you read my mugging story dan on page 2 nos 1?

      Posted by 1.618 on 2006 09 03 at 08:50 PM • permalink


    1. These “leaders” have a vested interest in ensuring that members of their flock are not exposed to integration or for that matter education.These parasites depend on the flock being kept ignorant and pliable so that they can maitain their positions as “leaders” and enjoy whatever pickings are attached to these positions.

      Posted by Lew on 2006 09 03 at 08:51 PM • permalink


    1. That’s why they are pretending to be a government here in Australia. (i.e. the advisory group).

      This gives them a sense of power over us (west) and the flock, further fueling the divide, which we don’t care about anyway.

      Also, America, I will not forget 911, they want us to forget, I won’t.

      Posted by 1.618 on 2006 09 03 at 08:53 PM • permalink


    1. #3 My dear 1,618: I’ve always had a very poor sense of direction; once, after a late-night poker game in Miami, I turned the wrong way on SW 8th St. and was half-way across the Everglades – surrounded by darkness, the sussuration of a billion insects, and the crooning of bull frogs – before I realized I’d gone wrong. So, bearing in mind those of your readers who are “directionally challenged”, please tell me just where, exactly, is your mugging story? And can Detective Paco be of any assistance?

      Posted by paco on 2006 09 03 at 09:19 PM • permalink


    1. Thank you paco, my mugging story was on a sydney train. I was soooooooo scared. No thank you paco, I’m okies, but I also had last week another creepy experience with a man lurking also.

      It must be the week of creepy things. I had to buy a shirt on sale to calm my nerves.

      Posted by 1.618 on 2006 09 03 at 09:28 PM • permalink


    1. I do hope these views don’t lead to anyone feeling marginalised.

      If they won’t learn the language or the customs, I’d say they’re doing a pretty good job of marginalizing themselves.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 09 03 at 09:38 PM • permalink


    1. #7 Your mugging story was on a . . . Sydney train. I seeee . . . ayep, yep, yep. Well, from now on, keep a sharp eye out. I’ll have a couple of my men from the Sydney office riding the train; at the first sign of trouble, give ‘em the signal. Incidentally, they’ll be the blokes dressed inconspicuously in double-breasted suits and fedoras; and those bulges under the arms ain’t cell phones.

      Posted by paco on 2006 09 03 at 09:39 PM • permalink


    1. Since these Muslim “leaders” consider adapting to the culture of one’s host country is so unimportant, I plan on going to Saudi Arabia, let my wife parade around in a bikini while we both drink beers as we stroll down the main drag of Riyadh.

      A perfectly harmless passtime as seen at Bondi Beach on a daily basis.

      These imams shouldn’t have a problem with that. Would they?

      Posted by Bonmot on 2006 09 03 at 09:46 PM • permalink


    1. Pertinent to this item.

      Read this (scroll down to “Everyone Understands English”), particularly Update 3.

      Posted by kae on 2006 09 03 at 09:53 PM • permalink


    1. Thankfully, those in danger of marginalisation won’t be able to understand a word he is saying.

      Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 09 03 at 10:00 PM • permalink


    1. As others have noted, lots of other immigrants over the years have marginalised themselves by not mastering English.  However, as has also been noted, this hasn’t been a problem because said immigrants have accepted the rule of law and not attempted to blow things up.

      In other words, the language issue is a red herring which Mr Howard should have left alone.

      Posted by slammer on 2006 09 03 at 10:17 PM • permalink


    1. #3

      Did you read my mugging story dan on page 2 nos 1?

      Err… What Paco said.

      Hey Paco, if you are ever driving through Australia, may you never see the most scary sign an Aussie driver can run into.

      Posted by Dan Lewis on 2006 09 03 at 10:18 PM • permalink


    1. (B)efore migrant Muslim leaders go pointing the fingers at others, they should start getting their own house in order.

      They could care less if their house is in order, they just want everyone else’s house, under their order.


      Hope you are over the creepies. If not, look at it this way, you could wind up with a complete new wardrobe….:). But do stay safe.


      Everglades sure is damn dark at night. All sorts of things pop into ones head, Florida panther screams, gators, bull frogs but the biggest thing that can’t leave the mind, is…PLEASE don’t let my vehicle break down.

      Posted by El Cid on 2006 09 03 at 10:20 PM • permalink


    1. #6 and #14 – I’m on the case, or procrastinating from work, whichever you so choose.

      The story is here.

      Posted by AnthonyC on 2006 09 03 at 10:40 PM • permalink


    1. This is not an argument for maintaining the status quo.

      But you see what happens in Britain when the second-generation Muslim kids become integrated into the British way of life, but in the presence of radical Islamism left unchecked.

      One possible explanation is that they straddle two incompatible cultures which they cannot reconcile.  For example, the July 7 bombers who played cricket, etc.

      The incompatible culture component is radical Islamism.

      Integration will not be enough.

      It will have to come with eradication of radical Islamism, so that the only two things they have to reconcile is (a) Aussie way of life and (b) a modern, moderate (read ‘passive’) Islam.  That should be much easier to coexist.

      Posted by manbag’s bagman on 2006 09 03 at 10:50 PM • permalink


    1. #13 It’s not a red herring. Unwillingness to learn English in an English speaking society is indicative, but not conclusive, of an immigrant’s incompatibility with the host society. When that attitude is coupled with militancy, its a serious problem.

      Posted by larrikin on 2006 09 03 at 11:24 PM • permalink


    1. #16: Good work, Anthony. You’ve got all the makings of a member of the crack staff of the Paco Detective Agency. Send in five dollars and two box tops from your favorite breakfast cereal, and I’ll send you a badge, a false beard and a starter fedora.

      #15: You definitely don’t want to break down out there. It’s one thing to walk around Miami among your fellows, quite another to find yourself by the side of the road in the Everglades tinkering with your car in the middle of the night, with a half dozen iridescent eyes glaring malevolently at you from the saw grass. It’s the sort of thing that gives one the impression of having slipped a couple of notches down from the apex of the food chain.

      #14: Dan, I’ve been seeing that sign in my dreams a lot lately, mostly after an evening mulling over my past career choices.

      Posted by paco on 2006 09 03 at 11:31 PM • permalink


    1. The PM warns Muslim radicals to pull their heads in. Good.

      Muslims who come to Oz to live peacefully must feel heartened.  We sure need to ‘marginalise’ Islamist mafias who claim they are ‘leaders’ of Muslim communities.  (Reminds me of the feminazis who claim to speak for ‘women’.) Deny them money; launch prosecutions; monitor their ‘sermons’; cut off their funding; refuse entry to or tolerance for Saudi and Iranian jihad propagandists.

      Australia has a good record of not putting up with the nonsense many people left behind them when they immigrated. Do the multiculti luvvies have any idea how much they empower these bastards and deepen the silence of moderates when they spray the ‘r’ word around and stick up for apologists for terror?  They must give some serious thought to the possibility that there is a line between healthy scepticism and disloyalty to this country.  Some of them have given up offering themselves as a viable alternative at the ballot box and are doing a pretty good job as a jihadist 5th column.

      Posted by Inurbanus on 2006 09 04 at 12:26 AM • permalink


    1. actually #10, the religious police – muttawa – in Riyadh would have no compunction about assaulting you and especially your wife with sticks and talking you off to jail where you would be beaten and held for quite a while til you cold figure out how to bribe someone to contact the relevant embassy.
      Want to wear a bikini in Saudi? Do it in Dubai.
      Better yet, spend your bikini-clad money on flying to Spain and drinking there.

      Posted by carpefraise on 2006 09 04 at 12:32 AM • permalink


    1. sorry, TAKING you to jail…their skills in talking are limited.

      Posted by carpefraise on 2006 09 04 at 12:32 AM • permalink


    1. apologies for my spelling – will glue myself to the PREVIEW button next time.

      Posted by carpefraise on 2006 09 04 at 12:35 AM • permalink


    1. OT: Crocodile hunter steve irwin killed by stingray

      Posted by eraserhead on 2006 09 04 at 12:35 AM • permalink


    1. #24

      news.com.au has the story – no link, my net is slow at the mo.

      Posted by kae on 2006 09 04 at 12:45 AM • permalink


    1. Note though, the whining excuse made as to why there wasn’t a high level of English being used because there were not enough ‘free’ courses.

      I prefer the Asian model. Little in the way of Social Security and you make sure you learn the local language because you can’t prosper without it.

      Posted by Nic on 2006 09 04 at 12:45 AM • permalink


    1. Yahoo, death of Steve Irwin.

      Posted by kae on 2006 09 04 at 12:46 AM • permalink


    1. Kae: that doesn’t, err, read too well…

      Posted by Henry boy on 2006 09 04 at 01:09 AM • permalink


    1. Continuing OT: How the hell do you get killed by a stingray? Did he jump on it, thinking it was only a crocodile? Where’s Paco?

      Posted by Henry boy on 2006 09 04 at 01:11 AM • permalink


    1. Oops, Smithovitch.

      No, I didn’t mean it that way, what I meant to say was:

      Yahoo, on death of Steve Irwin.

      He was not my cuppa, but too young to die.

      It got him in the heart with it’s barb. stingray injury article.

      Posted by kae on 2006 09 04 at 01:17 AM • permalink


    1. Carpfraise #21 – thanks for the tip about Spain. Mate, I might just gather up bikini clad spouse and get in the car and head out to Bondi and do as threatened. Stroll along the promenade sucking a nice cold beer.

      No risk of being beheaded at Bondi. Well, yet anyway.

      And yes, condolences to the Irwin Clan on the terrible loss of Steve.

      Posted by Bonmot on 2006 09 04 at 01:36 AM • permalink


    1. The PM and Treasurer must jump with glee every time one of these strangely clad viruses opens his blubber lips to criticise them (and by extension the whole of Oz).  Especially so if the issue gets a good go on telly, as it tends to do.


      Posted by Rod C on 2006 09 04 at 01:41 AM • permalink


    1. That Steve Irwin story must be a hoax. People that annoying tend to live forever.

      Posted by Daniel San on 2006 09 04 at 01:53 AM • permalink


    1. #33 – Tasteless. Show some respect.

      Posted by Bonmot on 2006 09 04 at 02:01 AM • permalink


    1. #34 Bonmot,
      Nope, can’t stand the man.

      Posted by Daniel San on 2006 09 04 at 02:27 AM • permalink


    1. kae: I should have qualified that; it was only my first impression – until I clicked your link. And thanks for the next one. Best info I’ve seen yet on the creatures. Had plenty of contact with rays, and seen the nasty results of some stings, but I always thought a forward action was necessary (like stepping on them or swimming into them). I was wrong; as the article explains they can flick the tail and impale you. That and the necrotic venom, he didn’t stand much of a chance. Hate to say it, but it would have been a hellishly painful death.

      Posted by Henry boy on 2006 09 04 at 02:38 AM • permalink


    1. Daniel San – you really are a piece of work.
      The man is dead. That’s DEAD.
      Is this your wish for him? Because you don’t like him, no respect, no sorrow for his young wife and kids? How about the 500 people he employs?

      Nope. You just don’t like him so good riddence. Like I say mate, you really are a piece of work!

      I wasn’t his biggest fan either but I am very sorry that he is dead. I grieve for his woiddow and his very young children. Oh, and his parents and siblings and friends.

      Posted by Bonmot on 2006 09 04 at 02:40 AM • permalink


    1. # 30 Kae – agreed – he was not my cuppa either, the sad part is he leaves his children without their father.  No one should die so young.

      Posted by surfmaster on 2006 09 04 at 04:19 AM • permalink


    1. # 20 Inurbus – well said.

      Hark at the way that they immediately (well, after whingeing) call for a meeting with the PM or Treasurer.  As if, dirt-bags.  Try doing something worthwhile first.

      Posted by Brett_McS on 2006 09 04 at 04:49 AM • permalink


    1. new thread for Steve ahead

      Yes, Surfmaster. I think of his wife and kids and extended family.

      Posted by kae on 2006 09 04 at 04:53 AM • permalink


    1. #37 Bonmot,
      Please don’t put words in my mouth.

      Posted by Daniel San on 2006 09 04 at 05:16 AM • permalink


    1. A bit of respect Dan, that’s all we ask. A bit of respect. What you think of the man is irrelevent.

      Posted by Bonmot on 2006 09 04 at 05:22 AM • permalink


    1. #42 Bonmot,
      It was disrespectful of me to say such things, I see that now. My condolences to the family and friends.

      Posted by Daniel San on 2006 09 04 at 05:53 AM • permalink


    1. #39 Brett_McS

      The meeting, yes.  Where veiled (or not so veiled) threats are delivered.

      In the UK the government is running scared.  Seems Muslim ‘leaders’ want to run British foreign policy.

      Nice littl’ country you got ‘ere, gov.  Pity if sumfin’ orful was to happen.

      Their rhetoric is the talk of the protection racket and the response, too often, is the equivalent of ‘We’d better pay up.’

      Posted by Inurbanus on 2006 09 04 at 06:15 AM • permalink


    1. This is what thye leftouids in Canada think.

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 09 04 at 10:28 AM • permalink


    1. Wimpy C., the author’s an economist who works for the Canadian Auto Workers’ union.

      Translation:  Deluded marxist loserboy.

      Posted by ushie on 2006 09 04 at 11:29 AM • permalink


    1. The question I have come to ask myself what is the rationale behind muslim immigration. At the heart of immigration is a basic supply and demand equation. If there is sufficient demand then the Australian government should be able to choose the best applicants to come. If based on proven experience certain communities are less likely to be successful at intergration then they should be denied. These issues, lets call them cultural overheads, are drain to the economic and social fabric of this nation.

      I think it is obvious that a section of the community that requires priviliged access to the prime minister and $35 million worth of funding to appease this group is ample proof that integration is not working.

      The real tragedy is not so much that muslims are taking power away but we give it freely as we no longer have any cultural confidence to believe in ourselves. We no longer believe in anything so we have no ideas with which to resist unwanted change. Australia was a successful, democratic, stable country with a cohesive society long before multiculturalism came into being. Now the cohesive society we once took for granted has only taken 30 years to come under strain since the introduction of multiculturalism. The irony of course is that those recent arrivals who have shown to be intolerent have actually helped in reinvigorating debate and giving a reference point to reunderstanding what we could lose.

      It is difficult for me to understand a society that has and continues to be successful and then proceeds to weaken the foundations of that successful society. This has been occurring by firstly denigrating the cultural values and beliefs of the society that has been so successful in delivering benefits that few societies around the world currently enjoy. Secondly by incorporating values from another culture that has been less successful which could have negative consequences on Australian society. There is no obvious logic for this nor do I see this changing soon.

      Personally I believe some muslims are playing the greatest con in the world. I call the “or else” con. This con can come in various shades. Iran is currently playing the big room with its “Let us enrich uranium, OR ELSE”. In Australia we are currently playing at the learners table where the PM makes a commonsense and unremarkable statement and gets a “do not criticize us OR ELSE there will be more riots”.

      Because of this con we are no longer coming from a principled position but rather based on fear of offending and so develop a response accordingly. Just remember when someone complains it does not mean they are right it just means they are upset.

      Posted by verge on 2006 09 04 at 11:31 AM • permalink


    1. #45 Wimpy,
      God damn that’s a funny site!.

      Posted by Daniel San on 2006 09 04 at 11:45 AM • permalink


    1. #43 – Dan I understand.
      Cause you were no fan, well no loss.
      I know that’s not what you meant. Sometimes things just don’t come out the way you mean.
      I withdraw my remarks about you and we can all agree, that yes, at 44 with a lovely young wife and family, it is a great loss.

      Especially for Steve.

      Posted by Bonmot on 2006 09 04 at 06:46 PM • permalink


    1. Paco, thanks for the smile!! Hi el-cid

      Posted by 1.618 on 2006 09 04 at 09:23 PM • permalink


    1. #49 Bonmot,

      Posted by Daniel San on 2006 09 05 at 12:25 AM • permalink


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