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Before the US election, Michael Moore was anxious that his documentary Overweight 9/11 be broadcast everywhere so that it might turn voters against Bush:

The only problem with my desire to get this movie in front of as many Americans as possible is that, should it air on TV, I will NOT be eligible to submit “Fahrenheit 9/11” for Academy Award consideration for Best Documentary. Academy rules forbid the airing of a documentary on television within nine months of its theatrical release (fiction films do not have the same restriction).

Therefore, I have decided not to submit “Fahrenheit 9/11” for consideration for the Best Documentary Oscar. If there is even the remotest of chances that I can get this film seen by a few million more Americans before election day, then that is more important to me than winning another documentary Oscar. I have already won a Best Documentary statue. Having a second one would be nice, but not as nice as getting this country back in the hands of the majority.

It was all about the election.. But now, with the US safely returned to absolute Bush control, Moore has—big surprise—changed his mind. Asked by Rolling Stone if his movie failed, Moore replied:

No. I mean, Bush is still in office, but the film is about the war in Iraq and the war on terrorism. Those were the original reasons I made the film. It wasn’t about the election. The feeling I had after Roger and Me was different because those of us from Flint [Michigan] who made the movie felt like we had the power to change things. In this case, you know, I wasn’t the candidate. I couldn’t make John Kerry give a very simple answer to what he would do with this war.

All Kerry’s fault. Gotcha. On the plus side, the country is back in the hands of the majority.

Posted by Tim B. on 12/21/2004 at 03:21 AM
    1. And if you believe him, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.  Real cheap!  Makes a lovely Christmas present!

      What absolutely self-serving drivel.  And the usual lefty whine about it’s someone else’s fault.

      Absolutely pitiful.

      Imperial Keeper

      Posted by Elizabeth Imperial Keeper on 12/21 at 04:25 AM • permalink


    1. Don’t ya just love it when Moore gets stewed in his own juices? Ew, I don’t like the visual that goes with that…

      Posted by Confederate Yankee on 12/21 at 04:26 AM • permalink


    1. Let’s compare and contrast Michael Moore and Mark Steyn.  Steyn, who has been reliably right in his predictions, pledged to stop writing if Bush lost concluding that if this country preferred Kerry then he didn’t really have his finger on the pulse of the nation at all and wasn’t any use as a correspondent.

      Moore, on the other hand, supported Nader in 2000, claimed that the 2002 mid-term elections would be “Payback Tuesday”, endorsed Wesley Clark, and believed his crockumentary would unseat Bush in the election.  Moore couldn’t find the pulse of the American electorate with a map and he’s yet to be right about anything.  Do you think he’d ever put up or shut up like Steyn did?  Are you kidding.

      Posted by Randal Robinson on 12/21 at 04:57 AM • permalink


    1. Like Moore says, ultimately it wasn’t up to him. I really don’t think whining it’s someone elses fault is a uniquely leftist characteristic. An interesting article though. He comes across as a very objective, rational, calm person who took the loss in his stride. Certainly not the 3 headed liberal monster the American right portray him as. I feel sorry for Americans when I compare their election to ours. Voting someone in largely on sound economic management is something to be proud of. Voting someone in on fear of terrorists and war fuelled nationalism is weak.

      Oh and let’s remember it wasn’t about WMD. LOL!

      Posted by Godzilla on 12/21 at 05:01 AM • permalink


    1. Like we’re going to respect the opinion of a giant radioactive lizard. LOLLOLLOLROFLMAOKTHXBYEPDQASAPFUQU.

      Posted by Andrea Harris on 12/21 at 05:15 AM • permalink


    1. Actually it’s just a name. Try not to take things too literally.

      Listen up, poser: you are cruising for a suspension of your account. I didn’t set up this registration system so Moore-ons and leftist trolls could leave the same tired “stoopid Americans!” comments they leave everywhere else. Keep that in mind. The Management.

      Update: it seems that Mr. Godzilla is unable to control himself. See the previous post for more of his delightful discourse. I have therefore suspended his account. The Management.

      Posted by Godzilla on 12/21 at 05:32 AM • permalink


    1. Actually it’s just a joke. Try not to take things too literally

      Posted by helltoupee on 12/21 at 05:44 AM • permalink


    1. That’s my line. Get your own.

      Posted by Godzilla on 12/21 at 05:51 AM • permalink


    1. Clearly, Moore also can’t make himself explain the very simple answer Kerry should’ve given.

      Posted by Aaron – Free Will on 12/21 at 06:21 AM • permalink


    1. Realistically, a majority of the proportion of people who vote is not a great majority.

      It is a worry when we have to depend on the Religous Right to save us from the Socialists!

      I would like to see clear signs that either of the two major parties really care about civil liberties, freedom and enterprise at home, they are both committed to erosion of civil liberties and massively Big Government.

      I was pleased to see Saddam crushed but what about freedoms on the home front!

      Posted by Rafe on 12/21 at 06:23 AM • permalink


    1. Ah yes, THOSE freedoms.

      What about freedoms on the home front?

      Posted by Josh on 12/21 at 06:32 AM • permalink


    1. Stum, Rafe! Or do you want John AshKKKroft kikkking down your dokkkor!?

      Posted by bovious on 12/21 at 06:57 AM • permalink


    1. Right, I just have to ask this . . . Rolling Stone ask in this interview if Moore believes that the Republicans are “setting up Schwarzenegger” to be the next President. I’m no expert on the US constitution, but don’t you have to be born in America to be US president? Where did this fallacy start? And why are so many seemingly intelligent people falling for it?

      Posted by Steve on 12/21 at 07:44 AM • permalink


    1. Yes, the Constitution requires a person to be a native born American citizen to be President.
      In order for Schwarzeneggar to run the Constitution would have to be amended.
      Ain’t gonna happen.
      Moore is a typical leftist isn’t he? It’s always someone else’s fault when something goes awry.

      Posted by BetsyinAmerica on 12/21 at 08:01 AM • permalink


    1. And why are so many seemingly intelligent people falling for it?

      bit melodramatic for something that’s merely a referendum away.

      Posted by bensonski on 12/21 at 08:03 AM • permalink


    1. It takes a lot more than a referendum to change the Constitution: 2/3s of both houses and 3/4s of states, IIRC. Not easy to do.

      Posted by Brian O’Connell on 12/21 at 08:09 AM • permalink


    1. Since the Constitution was adopted it has only been amended 27 times.
      Think about that for a minute- only 27 times in 217 years have the American people decided their Constitution should be changed. It isn’t something we do lightly.
      We certainly aren’t going to do it to give an Austrian born movie star a chance to be President. Even if I do like some of his positions!

      Posted by BetsyinAmerica on 12/21 at 08:12 AM • permalink


    1. Brian you’re correct about the numbers required for an amendment to pass.

      Posted by BetsyinAmerica on 12/21 at 08:14 AM • permalink


    1. “[Moore] comes across as a very objective, rational, calm person who took the loss in his stride.”

      Amazing what you can pull off when you learn to fake sincerity. (It can help if the observer is somewhat less than objective.)

      Posted by steveH on 12/21 at 09:27 AM • permalink


    1. “the Constitution has been amended….. 27 times in 217 years.”

      And, ten of those amendments (Bill of Rights) were passed within the first few years.  And, of the remaining 17 one amendment nullifed another (prohibition).

      Actually, it could be correctly said that the Constitution has only been amended 15 times in 200+ years.  That’s even more impressive.

      Posted by John Davis on 12/21 at 09:31 AM • permalink


    1. Moor’s primary goals are to make money and be a clebrity. Thus he takes things in stride.

      Though these goals are false for many in terms of “self”, they are in fact what Moore *is*.  So can’t ever be no one gwyne ta make him break his stride.

      Posted by J. Peden on 12/21 at 09:54 AM • permalink


    1. So, having decided the serious business of the fact that Arnie is not about to become the next US president, let me ask you this:

      Has anyone else noticed how similar Michael Moore looks to the fictional director Marty DiBergi in ‘This Is Spinal Tap’, played by Rob Reiner?

      Posted by Steve on 12/21 at 09:56 AM • permalink


    1. Bite your tongue Steve!. Spinal Tap is not fictional at all and you cannot compare the genius that is DiBergi with that goose Moore.
      Tap is real. DiBergi is real. Moore is a fiction.

      “Hello Cleveland!”

      Posted by Gibbo on 12/21 at 10:16 AM • permalink


    1. Moore would make some dictator a nice minister of propaganda.  Problem is: he will stomp an anyone to get a shot or make a buck.

      He failed pure and simple.  He lost the election for Gore by touting Nader.  He lost the election for the dems by being a loudmaouthed lying fat loony.

      Posted by Catracks on 12/21 at 10:55 AM • permalink


    1. …. comes across as a very objective, rational, calm person who took the loss in his stride.

      Someone may or may not have said that about Hitler, just after he shot himself.

      Posted by FusterCluck on 12/21 at 11:09 AM • permalink


    1. I thought:  In all fairness I should read the article in full.

      What an imbecile!!!  Paul Newman??? Robert Redford??????  I suppose they are as smart as anyone, but what is with this Hollyweird idea that only an actor is able to promote trust in the American people.

      Most of America distrusts performers.  Like Laura says:  “Shut up and sing.”

      P.S.  I am from So Cal and do NOT want Arnold for president.  No naturalized citizens.  Period.  Arnold himself does not back that little movement.

      Posted by Catracks on 12/21 at 11:12 AM • permalink


    1. He’s surprisingly light on his feet for such a fat bastard- he managed to dodge that like it was a salad with low-fat dressing.

      Posted by Habib on 12/21 at 02:04 PM • permalink


    1. i bet moore’s bathroom scales go to eleven…

      Posted by Deo Vindice on 12/21 at 02:24 PM • permalink


    1. The Flip and the Flop, remind you of anyone??

      Posted by raider580 on 12/21 at 02:51 PM • permalink


    1. The amazing part is, having just watched every candidate he endorsed in the last election get handed their ass by the internet, Moore still doesn’t realize that anyone who wants to can google up every asshat quote he made about defeating George W. Bush…

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 12/21 at 04:00 PM • permalink


    1. Andrea

      I have scrolled through this and the previous post where Godzilla features, and I cannot find what is supposed to be objectionable.

      OK, clearly he has a lefty viewpoint, but it is reasonably expressed, even if it is irritating.  (Unless you have deleted some text which is offensive that I have not seen).

      I come to this Blog a lot and I appreciate the commentary, including the occasional items which run contrary to the basically Conservative world view of Tim.  Surely if an idea is worth holding, it is also worth supporting and defending in open debate (in the way that MarkL did in the previous post).  To suppress opposing commentary is counterproductive, shows weakness rather than strength, and smacks of the kind of elitist leftist intolerance which most readers here would oppose.

      Maybe I am missing something.  But to me suppressing Godzilla is not a reasonable response, and will do more bolster his world view than to challenge it.

      Posted by Blindside on 12/21 at 04:23 PM • permalink


    1. and your point is?

      Posted by Deo Vindice on 12/21 at 04:35 PM • permalink


    1. No one is suppressing anything, Blindside. (Fitting nickname, by the way.) I do not have Godzilla tied up and gagged in my basement. He is quite free to get his own website and say whatever he wants to say there. He just can’t use this website as his own personal punching bag.

      Since I find myself repeating this self-evident bit of common sense at least once per week, it will be added to the upcoming FAQ.

      Posted by Andrea Harris on 12/21 at 04:40 PM • permalink


    1. blinddope,

      “Wow, Rumsfeld is a complete ***hole… What a sleazebag”
      Posted by: Godzilla on Dec 21, 04 | 4:47 am (abc arrogant and stubborn thread)

      “reasonably expressed,” indeed.

      Posted by guinsPen on 12/21 at 04:46 PM • permalink


    1. Re Andrea’s rules, as an aside, is it just my imagination or have the changes to Tim’s site made it less exciting? Sure we’re keeping out the trolls and the hackers, but some of the old cut and thrust, not to mention wit, seems to be missing. Perhaps because it seems there are fewer readers registered – afraid to reveal their real identities? Or are we all just suffering post-electoral depression?

      Posted by mr magoo on 12/21 at 05:10 PM • permalink


    1. I rather think that it’s the fact that it’s the holidays, mr magoo. A lot of people are probably doing family stuff and don’t have time to post on websites.

      But if our old buddy Miranda Divide wants to sign up, I won’t stop her/him/it. Everyone gets a chance to start fresh. One chance.

      Posted by Andrea Harris on 12/21 at 05:19 PM • permalink


    1. ah so! megatron win again! you silly irriot godzirra!

      Posted by Deo Vindice on 12/21 at 05:36 PM • permalink


    1. Michael The Moor said:  It wasn’t about the election.

      He’s right.  It’s about sucking gazillions of dollars from the pockets of delusion lefties into Moore’s bank account.  If you hear laughter going down the street, that’s Moore walking to the bank.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 12/21 at 05:47 PM • permalink


    1. Quote “blinddope,

      “Wow, Rumsfeld is a complete ***hole… What a sleazebag”
      Posted by: Godzilla on Dec 21, 04 | 4:47 am (abc arrogant and stubborn thread)

      “reasonably expressed,” indeed.  Unquote
      Well maybe not that elegant, and perhaps ‘reasonable’ is not the most apt description, I should choose my words more carefully.  But I would still feel more comfortable if a poster was suppressed for profanity than for their viewpoint.  In this case ‘suppress’ is the only word I can think of.

      Yes Andrea, I do understand that you have not kidnapped Godzilla and physically suppressed his or her ability to communicate.  However, your act of suspension has prevented his or her viewpoint from being expressed here.  Obviously that is your call, but it seems to me to be opposed to the values which underpin Tim Blair’s Blog.

      I believe that Conservative or Right values will be better advanced by possessing the ability to hear dissent, which should be rebutted by argument rather than administrative suppression.

      Posted by Blindside on 12/21 at 06:32 PM • permalink


    1. “. . .I come to this Blog a lot. . .”

      “. . .but it seems to me to be opposed to the values which underpin Tim Blair’s Blog. . .”

      Sir, I wish to express with great urgency that your pants are on fire and that your nose has not only become alarmingly elongated, but it is sprouting a branch with a little leaf on it.

      Posted by Sortelli on 12/21 at 07:26 PM • permalink


    1. what are “the values that underpin Tim Blair’s blog”?  beer drinking??  killing iraqi babies??  i guess i missed out on the briefing where Tim gave the ‘website mission statement’.  you’re a bandwidth thief and a flamer blindside. good riddance.

      Posted by Deo Vindice on 12/21 at 07:42 PM • permalink


    1. I often post on the deplorable WebDiary of the dreaded Margot Kingston, and my comments have always been put up on the site.
      Reading and contradicting the opinions of the other side can be very informative. Wiping such people off as trolls and flamers is something I’ve always despised about leftoids.

      Posted by davidb on 12/21 at 10:07 PM • permalink


    1. You don’t believe shit, blindside.

      Hold the mock serious language for your Christmas dinner.

      Posted by ilibcc on 12/21 at 10:52 PM • permalink


    1. “But I would still feel more comfortable if a poster was suppressed for profanity than for their viewpoint.”

      There wouldn’t be any commenters if I did that. What do you have against profanity anyway? Are you some sort of tight-arse? Typical leftoid womanish argument-diversion: “It’s not what you said, it’s the way you said it!” Gimme a break.

      Oh and davidb: “reading and contradicting the opinions of the other side can be informative” yes, but reading the same old boring “Rumsfeld sucks! Americans are stupid warmongers!” ravings is not “informative” unless I was compiling a list of every single person who didn’t like Rumsfeld, Americans, or what have you. I’m not, and I refuse to let this place turn into a feces-flinging fest, until Tim requests otherwise. When you come down to it, it’s his website: if he requests that I let the monkeys’ freak flags fly, then I will. I’ll bet you’ll be the first to complain.

      Posted by Andrea Harris on 12/21 at 11:57 PM • permalink


    1. Blindside has a point. It doesnt’t help our cause any, and it would serve to reinforce Godzilla’s own idiotic ideology within his own mind.

      BUT what blindside is missing is that this site is not intended to be a public discussion forum, its someone’s private blog, and as such there are reasonable reasons why Tim and Andrea are not interested in putting up with the usual regurgitated shite that many leftists come here and post.
      Besides (No offence) Tim doesn’t attempt to be seen as a political intellectual, he is more of a politically motivated columnist who is more interested in taking the piss and having a laugh at the left’s expense. So lets not all take ourselves too seriously eh?

      Posted by RhikoR on 12/22 at 01:11 AM • permalink


    1. I do get a bit disappointed sometimes when a troll/leftist fool isnt rebutted but is simply banned, as it goes directly against many rightist/libertarian ideals, however if i was more interested in serious politcal discourse then there are other blogs for that.

      Posted by RhikoR on 12/22 at 01:15 AM • permalink


    1. Or I could just start my own…

      Hmmm, methinks I should have just posted once….

      Posted by RhikoR on 12/22 at 01:18 AM • permalink


    1. ……On a lighter note – I too like some of Arnie’s positions…

      Posted by crash on 12/22 at 01:22 AM • permalink


    1. Yes crash, I’m sure you do
      You dirty man….

      Posted by RhikoR on 12/22 at 01:27 AM • permalink


    1. rats. i actually have to work for a little bit and i miss all the ggod posts.

      Posted by Mr. Bingley on 12/22 at 01:51 AM • permalink


    1. Re: Amending the US Constitution.  There are actually four methods, only two of which have been used.

      “The Congress, whenever two-thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the legislatures of two-thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states or by Conventions in three-fourths thereof, as one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.”

      So, either Congress or the States can propose an Amendment and it can be ratified by eithr state legislatures or state conventions.

      All but one Amendment were proposed by the Congress and ratified by State legislatsures.  Only the 21st (Repeal of Prohibition) was proposed by the Congress and ratified by state conventions.  This was done to provide political cover to state legislators.

      In addition, the Bill of Rights (first Ten Amendments) was the first order of business by the first Congress.  11 and 12 were to clean up the Presidential elections after 1800.  13, 14, and 15 were after the Civil War and cleaned up rights for former black slave and others.  16, 17, 18, and 19 were turn of the 20th century responses to industrializion and the growth of govt. 20 and 21 were fixes in the 1930s.  22 was a response to the long service of FDR.  23 provided for DC residents to vote for President.  24, 25 and 26 were further clean up.  27 was left over from 1789.

      Posted by JorgXMcKie on 12/22 at 02:52 AM • permalink


    1. Basically, I’m saying that (despite literally thousands of proposed Amendments) we have actually adopted very few, and most of them in bunches to correct perceived flaws.  If you discount the first Ten, which were part of the deal by which several states ratified the whole thing, thee we’ve really amended it only 17 time in 217 years, mosty in four smaller bunches.  It works pretty good.

      Posted by JorgXMcKie on 12/22 at 02:55 AM • permalink


    1. If Dean becomes head of the DNC wonder if he will be even more welcoming to the great fat liar. That train-wreck would be hilarious to watch.

      Posted by Andrew Ian Dodge on 12/22 at 03:55 AM • permalink


    1. Remember, when Howard won, Iraq went away and “he won because of interest rates.”

      When Bush won, the new mantra of the American left became, not Iraq, but the fundamentalist trogs of Jesusland who voted to bash the gays.

      Now Michael Moore was all about the war, which he has no hope of influencing, and not lobbying day and night for the defeat of Bush.

      In the words of Bill Cosby, “I told you that story to tell you another one…”

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 12/22 at 04:09 AM • permalink


    1. On the plus side, the country is back in the hands of the majority.

      A chilling thought, a country run by Coke-swilling, Big Mac-eating, LaHaye-reading Christers who think Thomas Kinkade is an artiste and Kofi Annan is that weird latte those hippies sell over at the Starbucks on the local college campus.

      /Lawrence Margaret O’Donnell Cho mode

      Posted by tongueboy on 12/22 at 05:00 AM • permalink


    1. The chances of the US Constitution being amended by 2008 so Arnold can run for president are roughly the same as Michael Moore winning the 2008 Olympic decathlon.

      Posted by Randal Robinson on 12/22 at 05:31 AM • permalink


    1. Arrrh tongueboy.  Posting drivel like that is likely to get you dumped on from a great height.  Then again, that’s your attention grabbing intention anyway.  Hmmm.

      Posted by Aussie Old Fart on 12/22 at 05:39 AM • permalink


    1. I think tongueboy was being sarcastic (I don’t know, I think it was the Cho reference that made me think so).

      Michael Moore is too disgusting for words, and I refuse to waste any more typeface on him.

      I think Andrea and Tim have the right idea here.  This is Tim’s blog, not a democracy, and he and his webmistress have the right to say who posts here.  I’m sure reasonable viewpoints (even dissident ones) are welcome, but not when they’re accompanied by brainless squawking and … ahem… feces flinging, despite the wide-eyed innocent protests of the squawkers and flingers.

      As for profanity, if that were it, I’d already be banned.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 12/22 at 06:07 AM • permalink


    1. Tongueboy was being sarcastic. Except…

      “Kofi annan” isn’t a latte special at Starbucks? Well it should be!

      PS: all further discussion of what is and is not “censorship” or “dissent crushing” or whatever you want to call it will be outlined in the upcoming Site FAQ.

      Posted by Andrea Harris on 12/22 at 06:41 AM • permalink



      *Rolled On Floor Laughing, Scared The Cat And Alarmed The Neighbors

      Posted by ErnieG on 12/22 at 07:34 AM • permalink


    1. Tongueboy,

      Some of us Bible thumping, sister-humping Jesus Freaks prefer Mountain Dew to Coke, than you very much…

      Posted by Confederate Yankee on 12/22 at 08:45 AM • permalink


    1. “A chilling thought, a country run by Coke-swilling, Big Mac-eating, LaHaye-reading Christers who think Thomas Kinkade is an artiste and Kofi Annan is that weird latte those hippies sell over at the Starbucks on the local college campus.”

      Thanks, tongueboy, for reminding me that the US is, indeed, in good hands once again.

      Posted by rinardman on 12/22 at 09:38 AM • permalink


    1. ErnieG: close enough.

      Posted by Andrea Harris on 12/22 at 09:49 AM • permalink


    1. Give-em hell Andrea. I don’t even know what underpinned values are much less why Tim doesn’t seem to be opposed to them or for them or whatever blindbat is trying to say.

      Viewpoint suppression is your duty and zilla doesn’t seem to have the ability to communicate so keep up the good work.

      Webmistress…hmmmm…..brings an interesting picture to mind.

      Posted by tej on 12/22 at 09:50 AM • permalink



      “Lauging Out Loud, Letting Our Labrador Lactate On Letterman, Rolling On the Floor Laughing Maniacally At Oprah’s Kickboxing, Then Hacksawing Xenophobics Behind Yanni’s Place, Doing Quaaludes And Shoving A Purple Fish Up Quayle’s Urethra”

      Uhhh… at least to the best of my knowledge. Now that was 5 minutes well spent!!

      Posted by Nash Kato on 12/22 at 12:10 PM • permalink


    1. “I don’t even know what underpinned values are”

      Maybe they are the values blindman keeps under the couch cushions, for emergencies.

      Posted by Andrea Harris on 12/22 at 12:13 PM • permalink


    1. I saw a lot of people reading Estupidos Hombres Blancos in Central America recently. He�s huge down there.

      There you go, guys. A feed line. An easy ball.

      Posted by Harry Hutton on 12/22 at 12:54 PM • permalink


    1. Oh, Harry, thank you…

      All together now:


      Posted by richard mcenroe on 12/22 at 01:05 PM • permalink


    1. I saw a lot of people reading Estupidos Hombres Blancos in Central America recently

      Why does this not surprise me?  After all Central America is a such a huge success story when compared to the USA.

      Posted by murph on 12/22 at 01:29 PM • permalink


    1. Seems like Tim is away.

      Let’s take overrr!

      Let’s see…

      OK, who’s your favourite communist?
      Mine is Paul Martin, PM of Canada, champion of confiscation of middle class wealth

      Posted by jlc on 12/22 at 02:01 PM • permalink


    1. la gente Centoamericano est� muy simpatico y generoso.  Tal vez poquito tonto, pero quien sabes?

      Posted by jlc on 12/22 at 02:06 PM • permalink


    1. “[Moore] comes across as a very objective, rational, calm person who took the loss in his stride.”

      You will never see a better example of the power of Xanax…

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 12/22 at 03:15 PM • permalink


    1. There’s a difference between having an opposing point of view and being willing to discuss it reasonably.  Godzilla seemed like his entire purpose was to present a more articulate version of “nanny-nanny-boo-boo, stupid righties!”.  I may have contempt for many ideas, but if I intend to debate the issue I don’t bring that into it with me, I assume my opponents are decent and rational; otherwise talking to them would be by definition a waste of my time.  You don’t talk to people you don’t think are worth listening to unless you just want to tease them.  Fair enough, but when someone shows up to someone else’s private forum to do that, we call it trolling.

      I dunno, maybe it’s just because I’ve been in the moderator’s shoes more than once, but after awhile you start to get a radar about who’s going to be interesting to hang around and who’s just going to jeer until they’re shown the door.  Sometimes it’s wrong, but most of the time it ain’t.

      Posted by LabRat on 12/22 at 04:36 PM • permalink


    1. Speaking of rational and calm:

      Mossad to nuke Housten on 27 December

      Posted by ArtVandelay on 12/22 at 04:37 PM • permalink


    1. What a crock o’ sh*t.

      The last time I trusted the word of a German guy, he shagged my sister…..

      Posted by Elliott on 12/22 at 06:40 PM • permalink


  1. Godzilla’s view of Moore as a “very objective, rational, calm person who took the loss in his stride” is indicative of a person in extreme denial. Moore is demonstrably not objective, is polemical rather than rational, is manipulative, hyperactive and scheming rather than calm, and probably thought seriously about leaving the USA or at least a hollywood style “sleep suicide” after the election loss. I used to find him amusing when he was just bashing the banks. But now he is playing big league politics, and in our present circumstances (I reject the notion that fear of terrorism and islamofascism are just political playing cards) I think we can all be excused for the loss of our sense of humour. At least until the cessation of hostilities.

    Posted by blogstrop on 12/22 at 11:12 PM • permalink