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The San Mateo County Times’s Christine Morente carefully observes:
Kimberly Shrum grips a Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum revolver and aims at a target 25 yards away.
Bang.
A hot shell casing hits the floor …
(Via Lee Matthews)
- Snicker. I’ve shot a lot of revolvers, and I have yet to shoot (or hear of) one that ejects brass.Posted by rightwingprof on 2007 04 02 at 12:43 PM • permalink
- I think a little firearms 101 is in order before Christine attempts another gun article. However, this could be the first revolver in history that ejects shell casings.Posted by swassociates on 2007 04 02 at 12:43 PM • permalink
- Second observation to the astute Christine. I’ve never gone to range to practice with a handgun at 25 yards. Maybe 25 feet.
Note to Christine:
The next time you write an article on a subject try actually being there.
Posted by swassociates on 2007 04 02 at 12:47 PM • permalink
- Could the Webley “automatic revolver” used by Miles Archer in “The Maltese Falcon” do this? I don’t have the slightest idea. However, it’s obvious a standard Smith and Wesson revolver could not.Posted by Bruce Lagasse on 2007 04 02 at 12:54 PM • permalink
- The Webley automatic revolver only used the recoil to advance the cylinder to the next round, not to eject anything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webley-Fosbery_Automatic_Revolver
Posted by Ernst Blofeld on 2007 04 02 at 01:02 PM • permalink
- The Mateba Model 6 Unica is an automatic revolver. It does not eject shells either…recoil rotates the cylinder and puts the hammer back allowing single action shooting after the first shot. This is basically the same mechanics as the .455 Webley-Fosbery (also seen in Zardoz – Sean Connery).
Neither revolver ejects shells.
…and my pistol range has 25 meter lanes.
- “I’ve never gone to range to practice with a handgun at 25 yards.”
Huh? 25 feet is practically point blank. Most indoor pistol competitions are at 50 ft range, outdoor at 25m range. I’ve shot Long Range Pistol at ranges up to 200 yards.
Posted by David Gillies on 2007 04 02 at 01:09 PM • permalink
- Maybe she’s willing to start a long-distance affair with an Australian lawyer?Posted by andycanuck on 2007 04 02 at 01:10 PM • permalink
- Lighten up, Ms. Morente’s just using Lancet math for the target distance and TRUTHER facts to make sure we all understand the inherent evil of a scary assault handgun that contributes to global warming by ejecting hot shell casings.
In other news, Apple and Apple Records have announced that the Beatles’ catalgue will soon be available for download. Perhaps I could recommend, “Happiness Is a Warm Gun” for Ms. Morente.
Posted by charles austin on 2007 04 02 at 01:13 PM • permalink
- I know what you’re thinking. “Did she fire six shots or only five?” Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .357 Magnum, the most powerful shell-ejecting revolver in the world, and would blow your head clean off while spewing hot casings all over the place, you’ve got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?
- I heard on Court TV the other day about a contract murder done with a .25 calibre revolver. Not from your local gun store, it wasn’t!
Moron, or ignoramus? You decide!
Posted by Harry Bergeron on 2007 04 02 at 01:51 PM • permalink
- “…a .25 calibre revolver. Not from your local gun store, it wasn’t!”
Not necessarily. Decker made a DA revolver in 6.35mm Browning, which is the same as .25ACP. But yeah, anyone shot with a .25 caliber handgun was probably shot with an automatic.
Posted by David Gillies on 2007 04 02 at 02:16 PM • permalink
- It clearly wasn’t a Smith & Wesson, it must have been a
Pistol, Automatic Cartridge Outcasting.Posted by Harry Bergeron on 2007 04 02 at 02:21 PM • permalink
I revered Patty Hearst and Bonnie Parker. They were a couple of hot babes, although Bonnie cooled down rapidly toward the end.
What we have here is a case of “Algor Mortis”
Al Gore strikes again.
Posted by swassociates on 2007 04 02 at 02:21 PM • permalink
- David @ 11
How many handgun battles happen at 25m? Give me a break. You’d be more accurate throwing a brick at that distance.
Posted by swassociates on 2007 04 02 at 02:23 PM • permalink
- swassociates: you ever shot pistol competitively?Posted by David Gillies on 2007 04 02 at 02:31 PM • permalink
Were the idiots who drafted that law blissfully unaware of the existence of the .357 Magnum
I’ll take my .50 caliber Desert Eagle. I’m not much of a wheelgun kinda guy, though if I were, I’d own at least one .357 Magnum.
Posted by rightwingprof on 2007 04 02 at 02:40 PM • permalink
- Maybe what she heard was one of Shrum’s fillings hitting the floor?Posted by Jim Treacher on 2007 04 02 at 02:51 PM • permalink
- I usually shoot pistols at 50 to 75 feet using the NRA bullseye targets, but 25 feet is perfect for defensive practice with the Mossberg 500 12 gauge pump, using those malevolent looking black silhouette targets. The targets usually last 10 rounds before the bottom half falls off. Last time I went through 125 rounds, and my shoulder turned a magnificent shade of purple. Next time I’ll be wearing my Personal Anti-recoil Camoflauge Outerwear!
I usually shoot pistols at 50 to 75 feet using the NRA bullseye targets
I like shooting my Osama bin Laden targets.
Posted by rightwingprof on 2007 04 02 at 03:44 PM • permalink
- My .357 doesn’t eject the casings when fired. Obviously I was cheated.
Where can I get one of these miracle guns?
Posted by Barbara Skolaut on 2007 04 02 at 04:39 PM • permalink
- In the NC guard we would shoot pistols in the state competition at targets with real human features from about 10 yards. The target would have a face and a “volleyball” (concentric ring) target in his torso. You only got a few seconds to get off your shots and your score was based on hits on the torso, face and within the volleyball.
For qualification we shoot pop-up targets at distances up to 31 meters. Way too many troops would be better off trying to pistol whip the enemy into submission from what I’ve seen.
swassociates: you ever shot pistol competitively?
David @ 24
Sorry for the delayed response, had to work for a while. Yes I do shoot at a range. At the facility that I do my shooting we primarily shoot on the 50’ range but not closer then 20 feet when we’re doing competitions. I don’t do any outdoor shooting. My primary point I was making is that a handgun is essentially useless as a self defense tool at a range of 75’. At that distance you’re better off running. I primarily shoot a Sig P229 9mm, but when I carry I use a P230. Not as much power but it fits nicely in my pants pocket and doesn’t show.
Posted by swassociates on 2007 04 02 at 04:55 PM • permalink
- #17 Australian Gun Laws – Their purpose is regulation and establishing the right / authority to regulated so they can ban stuff at will. Reasonableness and commonsense don’t enter into it.
The 1996 Gun Laws “missed” pump action rifles but clobbered pump action shotguns. So, everyone* handed in their shotties and brought .308 and .223 pump action rifles. Apparently someone forgot to bring a pump action rifle to their banfest meeting so they got missed out. They hadn’t ever been that popular in Australia, until now.
*That is if your firearm was registered or you weren’t able to come up with a plausible story about how it had been lost on a hunting trip.
- It’s been a while since I have been to an indoor range, but the perfect distance for me is where I can still make a Lethal Weapon-style face in the target. Smiling or frowning – take your pick.
And yes, that requires well under 25 metres for me.
Posted by mr creosote on 2007 04 02 at 06:13 PM • permalink
- #14 “I know what you’re thinking. “Did she fire six shots or only five?””
LOL. Thank you very much. Now I’ve completely forgotten what I was going to say. 😛
Oh, yeah. Until I actually read comment #1 I thought the issue was passive construction of the sentence. Ack! I’m turning into a grammar nerd. And I’ve shot enough to know the difference.
And also the “Patty Hearst?” thing. Who did this lady talk to?
Oh, and bravo to the NRA for not keeping track of the gender of members. It’s nice to know that someone sees us all the same.
My impression of women with guns is due to books about little appalacian girls named “Sackett” ‘spainin hows powder and shot was hard to come by and why no one wanted to be explainin to Pa why they missed what they was shootin at.
I don’t think “Bonnie and Clyde” or heaven help me, Patricia Hearst, when I think “women with guns”. I think of the frontier. And women in war carrying weapons seems right and natural.
- Geese, purists.
You practice different things at different distances with strong and weak hand. I practice ‘point shooting’ at 5 and 7 yards, Mozambique at 10 and 15, and trigger control at 25. My Colt .357 has put 6 aimed shots into a 2” circle at 25 yards…that’s better than a thrown brick in my book. I can consistently hit a paper plate offhand at 50 yards with my Kimber .45. That’s good enough for me.
If you aren’t using your pistol strictly for defense, then it’s purpose is only to help you get to your rifle.
I revered Patty Hearst and Bonnie Parker. They were a couple of hot babes
I guess it’s a matter of taste… Bonnie Parker just doesn’t do it for me. Faye Dunaway, circa 1967, however, is another matter…
Posted by nofixedabode on 2007 04 02 at 09:02 PM • permalink
- swassociates—I shot competition for my unit with an issue 1911 at 25 yards. Given that those pieces were last refurbished in 1948, IIRC, ya hadda be good…Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 04 03 at 01:39 AM • permalink
- Okay, 1911A1 if you wanna be anal about it…
And maybe the dizzy broad had her thumb on the cylinder catch when she fired… in which case there were probably shells all over the place…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 04 03 at 01:41 AM • permalink
- rabidfox—the most effective range of a .32 revolver is in your opponent’s hands… assuming you’re carrying something more effective, like a large rock…Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 04 03 at 01:44 AM • permalink
Well shoot, my .357 magnum not only ejects the cartridges, but also makes sure the brass collects itself and puts itself in the bucket. I especially like to shoot it when wearing John Kerry’s magic hat.
I could throw my old Ruger out the bedroom door and it would go downstairs and see what that noise was for me…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 04 03 at 01:49 AM • permalink
- Tim/Andrea,
as a rule, don’t send links to sites which have pop-ups, scripts, Active X, and other shit…
Most of them are scum bombarding visitors with dumb ads, etc.Posted by Honkie Hammer on 2007 04 03 at 03:19 AM • permalink
- #Quiet rickw. I remember at a pro gun rally prior to the buy back, a person next to me was about to ask the speaker why pump action shotguns would be banned and not p.a. rifles. He was told to shut up very quickly as the Melboune media was present and it would just be giving them information they did not need.
- You can buy a Lever Action Shotgun and own it legally in Australia, but you can’t own a Pump Action Shotgun. Both can have as much as a 5 rnd magazine capacity and can be discharged at a same rate of fire. I know since I just bought one (LA SG) and have previously owned a PA.
The gun laws were certainly well thought out. sarcasm/off
Posted by deadparrot on 2007 04 03 at 05:13 AM • permalink
- I have no interest in firing pistols competitively. I do still enjoy target shooting for training purposes, but not like I used to. The desire to perfect my rifle shooting (target identification and accuracy) is so much more important. Hitting your intended target at the greatest distance possible takes precedence over close quarter pistol shooting (unless you’re in a fight in close quarters!)
- Honkie Hammer: unfortunately it’s pretty difficult to find sites these days that don’t bombard people with ads and so on. If we limited ourselves to linking to uninfested sites, we wouldn’t be able to link to more than ten sites on the internet, if that many. I hate it too, but there’s nothing I can do about it except advise people to make sure their antivirus files are updated, use an ad-removal program like Ad-Aware periodically, and set their browser up to block pop-ups.Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 04 03 at 06:02 AM • permalink
- #66. Also, switch to Mozilla Firefox (avoid Internet Explorer like the plague) and get the AdBlock Plus extension. Then you can make ads disappear completely — the browser doesn’t even fetch them, saving bandwidth. (The main disadvantage: large empty spaces left in HTML pages which may take you to an advertiser’s site if clicked on.)Posted by Chris Chittleborough on 2007 04 03 at 06:42 AM • permalink
- Possibly she fired a .357 Maximum round in a .357 Magnum gun, which could theoretically eject a shell casing along with cylinder fragments.Posted by Rittenhouse on 2007 04 03 at 07:52 AM • permalink
- At that distance you’re better off running.
the most effective range of a .32 revolver is in your opponent’s hands
From two different posts. The woman I married successfully defended herself against a home invader with a .32 revolver. Given that the doctors think she can wait a while longer before they replace her knees altho she could not run four steps with the current ones, how close should she let an assailant get before opening fire?
- Oh, sorry, I thought you meant Ronnie Barker…
This is the story of Rindercella and her sugly isters.Rindercella and her sugly isters lived in a marge lansion. Rindercella worked very hard frubbing sloors, emptying poss pits, and shivelling shot.
At the end of the day, she was knucking fackered.
The sugly isters were right bugly astards. One was called Mary Hinge, and the other was called Betty Swallocks; they were really forrible huckers;they had fetty sweet and fetty swannies. The sugly isters had tickets to go to the ball, but the cotton runts would not let Rindercella go.
Suddenly there was a bucking fang, and her gairy fodmother appeared. Her name was Shairy Hithole and she was a light rucking fesbian. She turned a pumpkin and six mite wice into a hucking cuge farriage with six dandy ronkeys who had buge hollocks and dig bicks. The gairy fodmother told Rindercella to be back by dimnlight otherwise, there would be a cucking falamity.
At the ball, Rindercella was dancing with the prandsome hince when suddenly the clock struck twelve. “Mist all chucking frighty!!!” said Rindercella, and she ran out tripping barse over ollocks, so dropping her slass glipper.
The very next day the prandsome hince knocked on Rindercella’s door and the sugly isters let him in. Suddenly, Betty Swallocks lifted her leg and let off a fig bart. “Who’s fust jarted??” asked the prandsome hince. “Blame that fugly ucker over there!!” said Mary Hinge. When the stinking brown cloud had lifted, he tried the slass glipper on both the sugly isters without success and their feet stucking funk.
Betty Swallocks was ducking fisgusted and gave the prandsome hince a knack in the kickers. This was not difficult as he had bucking fuge halls and a hig bard on.
He tried the slass glipper on Rindercella and it fitted pucking ferfectly.
Rindercella and the prandsome hince were married. The pransome Hince lived his life in lucking fuxury, and Rindercella lived hers with a follen swanny.
- All I know is that there is no linear distance in my house that even approaches 25 metres. Therefore . . .
I guess if I had to take a shot at the front door from the fireplace, it might be 40 feet (13 metres), but that’s not in a straight line.
My brother, a retired state trooper, routinely had to practice rapid-draw, rapid-fire at 7 yards. He used the Beretta 9mm, with left-hand ejection. I have seen him put 7 rounds in an 8 inch torso circle at 7 yards in 10 seconds from the draw.
I believe this was based on historic experience of multiple states. Evidently a large majority of gun fire from troopers has taken place in under 10 yards.
Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2007 04 04 at 01:38 AM • permalink
- There actually is such thing as a .357 S & W automatic. (.357 SIG, not .357 magnum.) But believe it or not, if it was the Smith & Wesson M&P (Semi-automatic), then it was…made of plastic.Posted by James Fulford on 2007 04 04 at 11:57 PM • permalink
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