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The Sydney Morning Herald’s Miranda Devine:
In the wake of last week’s counter-terrorism raids, Treasurer Peter Costello declared: “We will never be an Islamic state. We will never observe sharia law … We will always be a democracy.”
Islamic extremists should leave Australia if they oppose a “secular state with a democratic system and independent courts—and equality for women”.
It seemed a reasonable, refreshingly unambiguous statement, echoing the sentiments of most Australians, Muslims and non-Muslims alike. Yet it was condemned as “unjustified, unacceptable and hatred-instigating” by the Lebanese Muslim Association.
So leave, already.
UPDATE. Powerline’s John Hinderaker applauds Costello. So does Italy’s Il Lupo di Gubbio, signing off with this Google-translated message:
Dear Dr. Costello, thanks, thanks, thanks of heart. It has illuminated me the day.
Costello’s full comments may be found here; a follow-up interview is here.
- I think the Americanism “Don’t let the door hit you on the arse on the way out” is very apt here.Posted by Rob Read on 2005 11 12 at 03:50 PM • permalink
Yet it was condemned as “unjustified, unacceptable and hatred-instigating” by the Lebanese Muslim Association.
I uncategorically condemn the response by the Lebanese Muslim Association as unjustified, unacceptable and hatred-instigating. I want reparations.
Posted by wronwright on 2005 11 12 at 03:57 PM • permalink
- Well, well, well… this is the first time I’ve seen precisely the reaction that the French should be using with their problems; basically “…if you want to live in the 7th Century, go to Iran. No one is stopping you…” and, as Rob pointed out… “and don’t let the door hit you in the arse on your way out.”
Congratulations to Peter Costello! 😀
Posted by mamapajamas on 2005 11 12 at 07:02 PM • permalink
- They just dont get it. How dumb do you have to be to realise that allowing extremists to live, worship, and recruit within the “mainstream” of your community isnt acceptable.
I wouldnt piss on a neo nazi, so why do some feel it neccesary to coddle muslim facists?Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 11 12 at 07:09 PM • permalink
- I got the same thing last night at the counterprotest. Car pulls up, window rolls down in a cloud of cigarette smoke, and Abdul leans out and points at my sign (“Pray for peace so Al Quaeda will kill you last”) and:
“You are spreading wrong information.”
“Tell it to the Jordanians.”(a beat) “You are spreading wrong information.”
“Tell it to the Jordanians.”He seemed baffled that I was talking back to him; may have been the first time it happened in Los Angeles.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 11 12 at 07:16 PM • permalink
- Out There Hilaly:
He is quoted in yesterday’s SMH as saying that “the Australian Muslim community is part of the solution, not part of the problem.”
This would make a nice caption under those photos of muslim men beating up a cameraman in the street recently.
Another caption idea: “Muslims fearful of backlash”.
Europe is reaping the whirlwind for allowing migration and assimilation policy to be hostage to political correctness for so long.
We must be adamant that we have a national identity (encompassing a degree of diversity) and a great way of life. Inherent in that is an expectation that migrants pass muster on tolerance and commitment to peaceful co-existence, and, yes, assimilation.
It is easy to spot those who are blatantly opposed to our way. They say many things which indicate arrogance and intolerance to an extreme degree. It is to be regretted that there are not more in the commentariat who will give an honest appraisal of what we are up against.
- Look, it’s very simple:
Jihadists want to kill us.
We want to live.
Libs want split the difference and find “common ground.I mean, what gets you haters so torqued about this, y’know…?
/kumbahyah
Posted by The Sanity Inspector on 2005 11 12 at 08:50 PM • permalink
- Costello’s brave statement may have been prompted by political asylum Australia granted to self confessed militants during the 90s and until 2001, when immigration authorities were easily fooled y ignorance of Jihad and the ambient multiculturism. None of this on Howard’s watch.
A search of Refugee Review Tribunal records between 1993 and 2001 reveals that scores of self-confessed militants from Algeria and Egypt asked for and, in many cases, were granted political asylum after convincing authorities they were fleeing persecution, jail and torture.http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/
selfconfessed-militants-found-australian-refuge/
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Others claimed to be former members of Islamist groups, such as Algeria’s GIA (Armed Islamic Group) or Egypt’s al-Jihad before becoming disillusioned with the culture of assassination and brutality and choosing to desert. Al-Jihad (Holy War) is a secret organisation of militant Muslims. It split from the Muslim Brotherhood and is responsible for the assassination of President Anwar Sadat in 1981 and bomb attacks on tourists.
- Any society which systematically oppresses women will have narcissistic, entitled, men.
It is very bad for your development to pass your mother in status when you are still a complete twerp. You lose incentive to grow up any further.
Now watch, someone’s going to come in and think I was talking about Western Civilization…
Posted by Assistant Village Idiot on 2005 11 12 at 10:20 PM • permalink
- Some relevant stories in The Australian:
The day one man infected a community with hatred
Mufti condemns raids as race-driven
Posted by Evil Pundit on 2005 11 12 at 10:49 PM • permalink
- I’m still unclear as to why the members of the Lebanese Muslim Association aren’t in Lebanon. Don’t they know where it is?Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2005 11 12 at 11:07 PM • permalink
- Kim Stanley Robinson, in one of his novels, described Arab Muslims succinctly:
…Their thinking clashed radically with Western thought; for instance the separation of church and state was wrong to them, making it impossible for them to agree with Westerners’ on the very basis of government… And indeed these men had the dangerous look that Frank associated with machismo, the look of men who oppressed their women so cruelly that naturally the women struck back where they could, terrorizing sons who then terrorized wives who terrorized sons and so on and so on, in an endless death spiral of twisted love and sex hatred. So that in that sense they were all madmen.
It’s just a novel, but he’s studied Islam and Arab culture extensively. Sounds plausible to me.
- members of the Lebanese Muslim Association aren’t in Lebanon.
well i guess they’ve ethnically cleansed the Maronites from their country and are now looking further afield for more infidels.
Sorry about the Howard watch , does’nt time fly when you’re enjoying a yourself. is it really that long?
I guess the old school of “we were never members of the SS” refugees who conned their way in thru the 50s, were far more preferable than this mob.
- And please in the future do not load long urls as it breaks the design of the page.
I recommend TinyURL for creating shortcuts to long linky links.
Posted by The Sanity Inspector on 2005 11 12 at 11:48 PM • permalink
- Its pretty obvious to those of us who have been following Islam for a while. First, immigrate to a western country. Second, commence putting pressure on the host country by constant demands for special treatment, ‘grievances’ and general refusal to adhere to the social mores and laws of the country. Then when the people and the govt. finally get sick of it and start cracking down, accuse them of ‘racism’ and ‘Islamophobia’ and pretend Muslims are the real victims, rather than the country that has been changed forever by allowing them in.
- It is okay to accept refugees and immigrants and provide them with shelter and jobs but these people must follow the laws of their new place and respect its culture just like they want to have their own cultures respected and they must not be allowed to change the shape of the host country.
I’m not sure I can write this and make sense but I believe that European governments and large parts of the natives there failed to distinguish between oppressed people and wanted fascist extremists who fled their native countries; the first group fled their original countries looking for a better place where they can live a real life and grant their children a chance for a better future and they do deserve to be given the opportunity to do this in a place other than their dictators-ruled countries while the latter; well, they want to take over in any place they happen to exist in and they want to impose their vision on others without the least respect for their hosts.
If things continue to move the way they’re doing now, I’m afraid Europe will wake up some day to find itself infested with extremism to a degree that could possibly surpass what we see in many of today’s Muslim countries.So says Omar at Iraq The Model
- multiculturalism in australia was dreamed up by the labor party to attract voters
the process goes:
1 identify target ethnic/cultural group with lots of unaligned voters
2 encourage that group to maintain its cultural difference, perhaps by forming “cultural associations”
3 provide grants for programs that foster apartness (eg teaching arabic to children born in australia, while cutting funding to volunteer groups teaching english to new migrants)& gratitude for government largesse
4 encourage funded groups to see themselves as an oppressed minority
5 manipulate funded groups to vote labor by saying the nasty racist liberals will cut funding, remove their cultural freedom & take community organisers off welfare
6 set up a department of (insert name of state here) communities to increase & promote social fragmentation by ensuring money goes to the more extreme groups, & to entrench culktural handout culture in the bureacracy – pioneered right here in braxtopia, where a raft of bureaucrats depends for its existence solely on maintaining social division
- Name one non islamic country where ther has been peacefull coexistence with immigrant muslim communities.
And when the Islamist to hit, they cover their tracks by featuring a host of “Islamic public relations spokesmen” who tell us it is all our fault and islam is the ROP. its the same old story evry time.experts in the art of “taqiya”, the art of fooling the enemies of Islam into a false sense of security before you hit them again.
Now the Brits who are almost fully fledged dhimmies of Islam have surpassed even their own cretinous srandards.
The imbeciles of the Labour party having thrown out the new anti terror laws against the wishes of the British public have appointed a “commitee” on how to deal with Islamic terrorism afetr the London Bombings.
The make up of the commitee to be politically correct is peppered with muslims
and yes you’ve got it – its all our fault we had it coming.
The proposed FO list of foreign extremist (surely it already exists) is confontanional and will be seenas oppresive
Anti terror measures will lead to even more radicalsation of young muslims. etc etc
Instead Brits need to combat islamophobia by including the ROP sedatives in the National curricullum.
Time to shed a few tears for the old country.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,1640204,00.html
- One of their real faces,Rebecca H,is their lawyer Mr Houda..
Davo -you forgot the Jemah Islamir leaders who were allowed in from Indonesia fourteen years ago.They claimed they were fleeing from religious persecution in Indonesia and were allowed in on those grounds.Proof of this was a current affairs tape (amazingly) handed to Asio by the abc,the tape being from that time.Thus when these people denied being J.I. after they were picked up a few years back,the authorities could challenge their denials.Some escaped however by heading back to Indonesia on false passports.(back to religious persecution no doubt?) One was teaching at an Australlian Islamic College and later found to be a fully fledged terrorist.
- fdee you forgot to mention “become a financial and diplomatic burden.“It used to cost $60,000 for each illegal immigrant to go into the system,probably more now.
Not to mention the massive cost of coastal surveillance,customs searches and intelligence,anti terrorism police,ASIO and surveillance of public buildings,water supplies etc,airport and aircraft surveillance- not too mention the cost of multiculturism and it’s services.
All of this does NOT apply to peaceful immigrants who mix equally with Aussies and become valued citizens,no matter what nationality or religion.Their first loyalty must be to us.
- Bob Hawke and Paul Keating are responsible for Lakemba. Very interesting backgrounder here. Perhaps Tim Blair can dig up the Bulleting archival photos referenced therein.
The equivalent today would be letting in all of Hamas on the basis of claims they might be ‘persecuted’ by Israel. Unfortunately much of the damage is done, the horse has bolted and the obvious remedy is considered far too unsavoury for people to even discuss.
I wonder (and dread) what it will take before this perception changes.
- Davo, I have been feeling down about Britain. I’ve had this song going through my head the last few days:
ANTI-NOWHERE LEAGUE – (I Don’t Believe) This Is My England lyrics
Do you remember when Britannia ruled the waves?
Do you remember saying we shall not be slaves?
Do you remember those good old days?
And can you remember the strength of ‘44?
How we united to win that war
But will you remember when the Empire is no more?No I don’t believe this is my England
No I don’t believe this is my EnglandWe chained down the lion
And let the world sit in
We build up our armies so destruction can begin
But will we ever learn the enemy lies within?No I don’t believe this is my England
No I don’t believe this is my England
No I don’t believe this is my England
Where are you now?She whispers…
Divided we fall…United we stand
United we standWould you like to feel the heart move back again?
Would you like to see the lion break its chain?
Or could it ever really be the same again?No I don’t believe this is my England…
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 11 13 at 07:35 AM • permalink
- #35 Yeah CraigS it was a really interesting lecture,very thoughtfully presented and the first Boyer lecture that I felt actually could be applied to mainstream Australia.Thank you aunty and looking forward immensely to the next lecture.Derived much enjoyment from the music which followed the segment and felt it was appropriate (along with the lecture) because we are in the Christmas season…
Even more oddly it was introduced by Terry Lane.Weird things occuring at abc but!
Feel like I’ve sighted a U.F.O…..
- Debra Franklin
A moving poem… thank for that.
I left GB for Aus in the early nineties.
It was a civilisation in decay ready for the plucking even then.
My warnings then on the coming threat of Islamic extremism were denied and made me an non person amongst the elite leftist graduates of the LSE and other Unis.
I cannot gloat in forecasting the mayhem that is now beginnig to tale shape. yes, Enoch was a racist because he did not understand the threat of Islam and targeted “asian and west Indians” . His views did untold harm to the truth : namely that multiculturism falls flat only when it comes to Islamic immigration for reasons that are now plain to see.
Unfortunately Britain was hijacked by the old ex marxist graduates of the anti vietnam demonstrators of the seventies. they invaded the media , educational facilities and the government and we see the results today
BTW Bat Ye’or is speaking tonight in London at 7.15 at 10, St James Square, W1
