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Last updated on August 9th, 2017 at 01:37 pm

ABC children’s program Behind the News explains Middle Eastern events:

Since its independence from France in 1943, Lebanon has experienced good times and bad. When Israel was created in 1948 many Palestinians were forced from their land and some came here to Southern Lebanon. This led to the formation of groups like Hezbollah, Hamas and the Palestine Liberation Organisation. Hezbollah fought Israel to reclaim lost land and to remove foreign troops from Lebanon …

Hezbollah is a small group of Palestinian extremists who fled to Lebanon as refugees because their land was taken over by Israel. Hezbollah and Hamas, another extremist group wanting to get land back, have both launched terrorist attacks on Israel in the past.

(Via reader Fidens)

Posted by Tim B. on 07/25/2006 at 11:01 PM
    1. I happened to see a bit of this yesterday. If kids receive this kind of explanation, no wonder society is full of adults who see a moral equivalence between Israel and its neighbours.

      Posted by closeapproximation on 2006 07 25 at 11:15 PM • permalink


    1. They should have added:  “…and children, those furry little Hamas creatures love getting kiddies just like you to wear special little costumes so that you can walk into pizza restaurants and go KABOOM!”

      Posted by pick-your-pun on 2006 07 25 at 11:19 PM • permalink


    1. See the timeline they provided. It totally omits the Arab invasion in 1948, the wars in 1967, 1970 and plenty, plenty more.

      If a schoollkid handed that in as a history assignment, they would fail.

      If the ABC presents it to schoolkids as educational material however, that must be okay.

      Posted by Dan Lewis on 2006 07 25 at 11:24 PM • permalink


    1. Interesting that Israel is not seen fit to describe as “having won its independence from Britain.”

      Posted by Noelenet on 2006 07 25 at 11:24 PM • permalink


    1. Israel should do what it needs to do to survive and world opinion be damned.  And America should learn that lesson, also.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 07 25 at 11:25 PM • permalink


    1. There’s a Hezzbol-lair in there,
      and a terrorist as well,
      There are people with claims,
      With land rights too,
      Opem wide, a bomb inside
      It’s Hezzboll-air school!!!

      Lebonese Islamics, come home to Mummy Australia, we need the aggression.

      Posted by 1.618 on 2006 07 25 at 11:27 PM • permalink


    1. Rebecca

      I am not Jewish or even vaguely religious. I am not kept by the ‘Jewish lobby” or anybody else; but I do know my history.

      And I am sorry but “Never Again” would have to be two of the wisest words to form a policy I have ever heard.

      To the Israelis: Take NO prisoners.

      Love Noelene.

      Posted by Noelenet on 2006 07 25 at 11:30 PM • permalink


    1. p.s.

      Go Israel!!! Some country had to do it!!!
      (i.e. Dover Heights ridding Bankstown terrorist, and lakemba extremists.)

      Posted by 1.618 on 2006 07 25 at 11:31 PM • permalink


    1. While they’re at it, could they get Wiley Park as well?

      Posted by 1.618 on 2006 07 25 at 11:32 PM • permalink


    1. I am certain that Peoples’ Cube recent article
      Conflict in The Middle East: A Progressive History” has deeply inspired the “ABC children’s program” in question.

      Posted by tmciolek on 2006 07 25 at 11:38 PM • permalink


    1. Just like the Lesbian kiddies book, now in pre-schools.

      Lefties are hilarious.

      Posted by 1.618 on 2006 07 25 at 11:40 PM • permalink


    1. The Kingdom also warns everyone that if the peace option is dropped owing to Israeli arrogance there would remain nothing but the option of war, and Allah alone knows what the region would witness in a war that would not spare anyone,” said the statement, released by the Saudi Press Agency.

      Yes, well they have Magnificent Moses on their side and the backing of jooby Jew jew Jesus on the right hand side.


      Posted by 1.618 on 2006 07 25 at 11:43 PM • permalink


    1. Absolutely hilarious! Perhaps a copy should be sent to Lyndall Ryan, Henry reynolds, and Robert Manne so they can update their history syllabuses.

      Posted by Noelenet on 2006 07 25 at 11:43 PM • permalink


    1. Let me quote Wikipedia here:

      Hezbollah was ‘inspired by the success of the Islamic Revolution in Iran and was formed primarily to combat Israeli occupation following the 1982 Lebanon War. It was formed by the Ayatollah Khomeini’s followers in the early eighties to spread Shia revolution Hezbollah follows a distinct version of Islamic Shia ideology developed by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, leader of the Islamic Revolution in Iran.

      Feel free to read the rest.

      They are not “Palestinian.” 1948 had nothing to do with them. It looks like ABC is teaching plenty of fiction these days.

      Posted by Tommy Shanks on 2006 07 25 at 11:44 PM • permalink


    1. Still, they used the words “extremist” and “terrorist”, which is more than (say) the BBC does.

      Posted by andycanuck on 2006 07 25 at 11:49 PM • permalink


    1. Andycanuck: Good point.

      Posted by Tommy Shanks on 2006 07 25 at 11:53 PM • permalink


    1. Dont be surprised if the ABC starts showing cartoons about the ‘zionist plot to take over the world’…

      Maybe we should get the good folks from the VRWC(tm) to swing by the ABC and give them an offer they cant refuse.

      Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2006 07 25 at 11:54 PM • permalink


    1. Bias is one thing, and we’re well used to it, but you’d think at least they could get their facts straight. It’s a triumph of philosophy that the right ever prevails given what we’re up against.

      Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 07 25 at 11:57 PM • permalink


    1. #15

      Still, they used the words “extremist” and “terrorist”

      Terrorist? From the transcript:

      The war is actually between Israel and Hezbollah Militants…Hezbollah is a small group of Palestinian extremists

      The only qualification comes later:

      Hezbollah and Hamas, another extremist group wanting to get land back, have both launched terrorist attacks on Israel in the past.

      This is not the same as directly calling them terrorists. As for “wanting to get land back”, don’t get me started.

      I simply cannot understand, why it is good enough for the Australian Government to list both Hamas and Hizballah as terrorist groups, yet not good enough for the Australian Government funded broadcaster to do the same.

      Posted by Dan Lewis on 2006 07 26 at 01:08 AM • permalink


    1. It was to keep the rabbits out…

      Too many rabbits…

      Posted by Toosmoky on 2006 07 26 at 01:37 AM • permalink


    1. Is there a Wiggles musical version of this?

      Posted by mr magoo on 2006 07 26 at 01:42 AM • permalink


    1. America and Israel realy piss me off at times, lots of these dire situations we see around the world are not examples of our enemys strengths, but of western weakness, we need to play rough with these trash, its the only thing they understand, they hate and despise us but too many times they seem to play us like violins.

      Posted by phillip on 2006 07 26 at 01:48 AM • permalink


    1. #5, RebeccaH,

      Israel should do what it needs to do to survive and world opinion be damned.  And America should learn that lesson, also.

      Amen.  I often wonder why we sit and wring our hands over world opinion.  It always reminds me of a schoolyard full of adolescents concerned about being liked.

      What has happened to Iran for thumbing its nose at world opinion?  They don’t even get yelled at, much less grounded.  Punished?  Mustn’t excite.  Punishment will only make it worse.  Nope, instead the world comes crawling and begging Iran to please accept the technology and materials required to blast it to hell.

      It is all a spectacle so revolting that I have to keep reminding myself that good ideas will push out bad.  I see some signs that the good guys will finally assert themselves, but I am very concerned with the idea of Just War Theory.  I don’t think that that particular idea is good enough to push out the bad.  It acts instead as a porthole for the bad ideas to enter and eat away at us from the inside.

      Thomas Sowell had an article in JWR today that contemplated the consequences of today’s idea of war had been used during WWII.  We would have had a truce, most likely, leaving both Germany and Japan free to rearm—this time with the plans for their own atomic bomb in hand—and we would have had to face a much stronger foe again.  Like Israel is doing right now, for instance.

      Until we fight to win, and to win decidedly, we will have the long war Bush talks about, until the west is finally defeated.  We will then slide into another long dark age.  No slave population will ever be able to keep the technology, even that which the theocracy would allow.  (I think that was the flaw in 1984.)

      I don’t think that will happen.  The right ideas are there to be rediscovered.  It just takes a lot of work to remove the detritus from all the years the left has had to indoctrinate our children.  As this thread shows, they are still busy shoveling.

      Posted by saltydog on 2006 07 26 at 02:21 AM • permalink


    1. #20 Toosmoky, I was laughing so loudly at your Rabbits comment that my wife came into my study to see what had happened.

      For our non-Australian friends:
      A current TV commercial for a broadband service shows a not too bright dad answering his son’s question, “Dad, why did the the Chinese build the Great Wall”.
      Toosmoky’s post was Dad’s answer to the kid.

      Posted by Skeeter on 2006 07 26 at 03:04 AM • permalink


    1. “Can anyone tell me what was left out?”

      Posted by aaron_ on 2006 07 26 at 03:45 AM • permalink


    1. I am still trying to figure out what actually happened to the Philistines.

      I mean the ones that used to “harass” a early version of the Jews – same place, different times (not the morons in the row behind you at the football).

      Were they driven back into the sea of just eliminated in the usual fashion.

      Posted by MarshallD on 2006 07 26 at 03:51 AM • permalink


    1. Re today’s media coverage of Israeli forces targetting and destroying ambulances in Lebanon, has anyone come across the Israeli
      government’s explanation of why/how this happened?

      Posted by percypup on 2006 07 26 at 03:58 AM • permalink


    1. #24. And further elucidation for our non-AU friends, Australia has a series of ‘rabbit-proof’ fences stretching across the land that date from the ‘30s attempts to abate successive rabbit plagues.

      Posted by Olrence on 2006 07 26 at 04:17 AM • permalink


    1. Philistinian/Palestinian. Who cares?
      Those who regard history as inconvenient or too hard simply become “post modern” and can make judgements free from constricting, factual reference points.

      Posted by blogstrop on 2006 07 26 at 04:54 AM • permalink


    1. The ABC love telling stories to kids. Playschool has always had stortime. Let me explain. “Now children, gather round, sit down and be very, very quiet while Miss Maggie reads you this lovely, lovely story. Come on sit down Timmy and just listen…. ‘Once upon a time there was this horrible Jewish money lender called Isaac, who wanted all the money in the world…..’

      Posted by Bonmot on 2006 07 26 at 05:07 AM • permalink


    1. Student: “Excuse me, sir, but what’s a terrorist?”

      ABC: “Umm …”

      Posted by angela on 2006 07 26 at 05:23 AM • permalink


    1. #26

      The Philistines lost their independence to Tiglath-Pileser III of Assyria by 732 BC, after almost perpetual war with the Hebrews.

      They sometimes held the Hebrews, especially the southern tribes, in servitude; at other times they were defeated with great slaughter.

      The Philistine cities were ruled by seranim, “lords”, who acted together for the common good, though to what extent they had a sense of a “nation” is not clear without literary sources.

      After their defeat by the Hebrew king David, kings replaced the seranim, governing from various cities. Some of these kings were called Abimelech—reference to which are found in the TANACH.

      After Tiglath-Pileser III in 732 BC, all revolts in following years were crushed by the Assyrians.

      Later, Nebuchadrezzar II of Babylon eventually conquered all of Syria and the Kingdom of Judah, and the former Philistine cities became part of the Neo-Babylonian Empire.

      All traces of the Philistines as a people or ethnic group then disappear. Subsequently the cities of “Philistia” (Ashdod, Askelon, Gath, Gaza, etc.) were under the control of Persians, Jews (Hasmonean Kingdom), Greeks (Seleucid Empire), Romans, and subsequent empires.

      Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 07 26 at 05:24 AM • permalink


    1. #28, They actually date from December 1901 here in WOZ.

      Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2006 07 26 at 07:02 AM • permalink


    1. TWoWOZ – surely they were designed in that case to keep the easterners out?

      Posted by Stop Continental Drift! on 2006 07 26 at 07:28 AM • permalink


    1. #26: I believe Samson reduced their numbers considerably by employing a #3 ass-jawbone on the fairway.

      Posted by paco on 2006 07 26 at 08:15 AM • permalink


    1. Hamas, another extremist group wanting to get land back and once they got their land called Gaza back and all those greenhouses the Israelis built and all those farms the Israelis created, they realized how badly they’ve been treated in getting these things called gifts and they started lobbing rockets into Israel just to show them that Hamas can’t be treated that way. Besides they didn’t get all their land back, the Israelis still had Tel Aviv. Poor Palestinians.

      Posted by stats on 2006 07 26 at 08:16 AM • permalink


    1. And how should we explain this conflict to our kids?

      Posted by gson on 2006 07 26 at 09:03 AM • permalink


    1. We can start by telling them the truth, the UN divided the land into jewish and arab areas because it was obvious the arabs (note; not palestinians),and there nutcase leaders did not want to live in peace with there neighbours, and that basic position has never changed.

      Posted by phillip on 2006 07 26 at 09:46 AM • permalink


    1. From next post:Suburban Islamic cleric Abdul Nacer Benbrika wanted to kill 1000 Australians to ““please Allah”” and had the support of a blond Aussie… (How many of the 1000 will be children?) OK, ABC, explain this one to the kids. Oh, I get it, they want to take back the land from the Aussies that the Aussies took from them. Gotcha. (Tell me, ABC, what bedtime story will you weave for the kids over their small coffins after the Islamofacist child-killers do their work in Australia?)

      Posted by stats on 2006 07 26 at 10:04 AM • permalink


    1. The ABC piece is so pro-Hezbollah, it sounds like it was written by a member of Hezbollah. Seriously. Look at all the factual errors, and the way Hezbollah are painted as downtrodden freedom fighters (Palestinian freedom fighters, no less). I wonder, how did the ABC research this story? Maybe they consulted with certain local community leaders to get the inside story.

      Posted by daddy dave on 2006 07 26 at 10:27 AM • permalink


    1. Written to ABC:

      Arab invasion in 1948? The wars in 1967 and 1970?

      Why don’t you go into the tactics each side uses with regard to children (and bomb belts)?  Which side openly targets civilians because they’re civilians?

      Also, you could bring up the story of two openly gay couples – one in Isreal and the other in “Palestine,” (or Jordan, Iran, Saudi Arabia how each fares vis a vis who actually lives and who actually gets a stone fence pushed on them.

      Just for fun, you could compare the amount of Arabs in Isreal’s Knesset to the amount of Jews in leadership positions in the above mentioned countries.  HINT: You won’t have to research much.

      While you’re comparing cultures, you could ask yourself how many different religions you could practice in Isreal, up to and including proclaiming there is no God, and how many of said religions you could practice in these above mentioned countries.  Openly, of course.

      See, when you practice moral equivalence, you make the assumption that both sides in this case are equally moral.  They’re not.

      Posted by Ixman on 2006 07 26 at 10:36 AM • permalink


    1. #41

      I wrote to them before Tim reported it. I have not received a reply and am unimpressed.

      Posted by Dan Lewis on 2006 07 26 at 10:50 AM • permalink


    1. #42, Good luck with that Dan, just dont hold your breath mate.

      #34, Well yes it was, but only 11 months after federation, and before we started diggin like we do now, it wasnt financially viable to say to the rest of the country; ‘We want some money for a fence to keep youse bastards out of God’s country’…

      I doubt they would have paid up.

      Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2006 07 26 at 11:36 AM • permalink


    1. #3 – If a schoollkid handed that in as a history assignment, they would fail.

      Oh, how I would that that were true.  Kid would probably get an A (or whatever the equivalent top grade is Down Under).

      Posted by Achillea on 2006 07 26 at 02:00 PM • permalink


    1. There’s a good one from an American site with news by and for kids blogged about here:

      The aggressive bombing of the Israelis have left Lebanese in fear of what might happen next. The hospitals were not ready to accept all the injured.

      Lebanon is a country with a long history of suffering, and it was struggling for years to rebuild its foundation after the cease of Syrian military operations.

      The war erupted when a group of Shiite Muslims (Hizbullah) that reside in the south of Lebanon abducted 2 Israeli soldiers from Israel, promising to release them if Israel released some of the 10,000 Muslims they are holding in their prisons. Israel responded by rocket, bombing different places in Lebanon.

      Posted by Matt Barr on 2006 07 26 at 02:06 PM • permalink


    1. OK kiddies, that’s the end of our history lesson. Next: Osamas In Pyjamas!

      Posted by Henry boy on 2006 07 26 at 06:54 PM • permalink


    1. So, the chance of this turning up on media watch next monday night is…..

      Posted by entropy on 2006 07 26 at 11:45 PM • permalink


    1. (holding my breath)

      Posted by entropy on 2006 07 26 at 11:45 PM • permalink


    1. The show was this bad when it was on Channel 10 too.

      Posted by Brettm on 2006 07 27 at 05:43 AM • permalink


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