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Hideous events in Indonesia:
Three Christian teenage girls were beheaded Saturday in the latest attack against non-Muslims in the troubled Indonesian province of Central Sulawesi, police said.
The three high school students were found with their heads severed early Saturday in the sectarian-divided town of Poso, said provincial police spokesman Rais Adam.
The girls were believed to have been murdered while they were walking to school, Adam said.
Police are “still trying to determine whether this case is religiously-motivated”.
UPDATE. More on this—including that up to six men in black clothes and masks attacked the girls with machetes—at Beck’s place.
(Via Peter Green)
- I’m with Pixy. Pure evil.Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 29 at 06:59 AM • permalink
- I’d just come across the story myself a little while ago on the ABC website and noted it’s juxtaposition with this including this lovely quote from Keysar Trad, from the Islamic Friendship Association of Australia:
“This legislation has been referred to as draconian by the premiers themselves and it is a legislation that very strongly attacks and dismantles civil liberties and we can’t have enough safeguards for such legislation, but at the moment there’s hardly any safeguards,” he said.
—Nick
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 10 29 at 07:02 AM • permalink
- There seems to be no horror vile enough that these people will not descend to.
There seem to be no deceptions ,lies and distortions low enough that their support orgsnisations in the west will not descend to.
But of course we must not blame Muslims, they are the product of an infernal way of life and belief system.
As VDH says, it is seriously time to cross the Rubicon.
- I’m going to dampen the mood a bit more with a link to a forum containing photos of what is happening in that area (among others). I got the link from jihadWatch and warn you that if you do decide to check it out, it’s not for the faint of heart.
There were a couple of pictures I cried when I saw. 🙁
There really is evil in the world.
Sorry to ruin your days, but this is the Religion of Peace, after all.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 10 29 at 07:38 AM • permalink
- Hey Timmaaaaaaay, all these blog entries of yours, and you seem to have missed the biggest story of the week.
here it is
Haven’t you noticed Scooters been indicted. Not that its that important, you know its only the first time in a 130 years a White House official has been indicted. If only he’d told the truth it would be Cheney facing trial for treason (mind you this aint over yet).Got to love a US administration that commits treason against the people who defend its freedoms.
PS: Hi Andrea. SMDB 😛
- #11: Nilknarf, you were right about those pictures not being for the faint of heart but I keep coming back to the need to look at evil to realise it’s real and it’s amongst us.
—Nick
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 10 29 at 08:00 AM • permalink
- Glad to see you care so much about murdered children, wingnut—would you be so gleeful about a half-assed indictment in America if these children were Iraqi? Australian?
Probably not, as you are a pathetic creature, feeding off the lives of other people, having none of your own.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 29 at 08:05 AM • permalink
- #14 Nick. Yup. It is real, it is evil, and we do need to see it for what it is. The apoligentsia can bleat away, but when push comes to shove, they’ll be slaughtered with the rest of the infidels.
Sorry. I’ve been reading too much of this stuff lately and it can get you down. Need to lighten up a bit.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 10 29 at 08:10 AM • permalink
- Yeah, you’re right, jic. wingnut is a bona fide idiot, all things considered.
My bad.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 29 at 08:17 AM • permalink
- Bush praises indicted aide
Hehehehe, talk about the kiss of death.
“You’re doing a heck of a job Brownie”
- “In his charges, Fitzgerald accused Libby of lying about his conversations with reporters, not outing a spy.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9837835
- Well done. Discussion deflected from Pure Evil to Scooter McBushHitler. David’s right, how appropriate to pop up in a thread with this title.
Might I suggest it would be best for the grown ups to ignore the nasty little child. He’s only here to say ‘look at me’. One imagines he has issues with his mommy.
—Nick
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 10 29 at 09:18 AM • permalink
- #12 TSAW, surely the biggest story of the week should be the beheading of children as they walk to school and the complete lack of interest in this atrocity by the MSM at large.
Anybody can waffle on about who told what to whom and when, but where is the outrage over what is happening in Indonesia?
Does it really mean so little to you that people are being murdered for as little reason as their beliefs or lack thereof?
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 10 29 at 09:29 AM • permalink
- Clearly this could only have have been perpetrated by Zionists needing the blood of Christian children for their Halloween pastries. Oh, and er, free th refugees!Posted by Jim Geones on 2005 10 29 at 10:07 AM • permalink
- T-Tard’s been banned again. Now I guess I’ll sit back and wait for the little no-life to send me more obscene emails. It really burnishes one’s intellectual reputation to send emails to one’s opponents stating you’d like to perform violent anal sex on them, and make sure to sign off with the same unimaginative obscenity each time—that will really impress people.Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 10 29 at 10:13 AM • permalink
- And the leftards keep saying we need to ask why these guys hate us???? Well it seems pretty obvious they hate anyone who doesn’t agree with the myopic world view. There is no complex answer, the answer is simple, they are murdering scum!! The sooner we realise that and take the necessary action, the sooner all the decent people of this world can get on safely with their lives.
- Christ I can’t beleive how psychopathic and sick the left have got.
That troll was the most amazing proof that the left care nothing about others, it’s all about them and their problems.
The beheadings are a little preview of the future without confronting Islam.
Our troll was a little preview about how little they would do to defend civilisation.
- Note to our late departed T-Stupid: Muslim fanatics don’t like people who masturbate in public libraries while
downloading kiddie porntrolling internet sites any more than they like live Christian schoolgirls. So you go right on “fighting the rightwing fascists,” TeeTee.Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 10 29 at 11:07 AM • permalink
- Here are the three IP addresses T-Tard has signed in from, by the way:
203.15.226.132
203.102.242.228
203.54.3.75If anyone cares to investigate.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 10 29 at 11:14 AM • permalink
- Good plan, Parker.Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 29 at 12:44 PM • permalink
The three high school students were found with their heads severed early Saturday in the sectarian-divided town of Poso
Sectarian-divided? Islam and Christianity are different religions, not different sects of the same one.
I guess they’re looking for a polite way of saying, “Yet another area where Islam borders non-Islam and sick violence mysteriously ensues.”
- DBO, how about you link to these similar hideous acts against innocents that don’t have anything to do with Islam? As a counterpoint.
Please. You know what I mean.
PS: I’m serious.Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 29 at 02:02 PM • permalink
- #42 Dave S.
The slow-witted Lamestream Media became accustomed to using the phrase “sectarian violence” when describing “The Troubles” in Northern Ireland. Now they use it in referrence to any conflict where religion is involved, usually to indicate that both parties are probably to blame and no easy solutions appear possible. It’s intellectual laziness.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2005 10 29 at 03:20 PM • permalink
- But remember, they’re a moderate religion of peace.Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 10 29 at 03:35 PM • permalink
- DBO –
can you also post something about similar hideous acts against innocents that don’t have anything to do with Islam?
Why don’t you have a crack? You know what I mean. After all, that’s what the comments thread is for. Or should we all traipse over to Loewenstein’s for a dose of ineffectual media linkage tripe for our contrarian-for-the-sake-of-it kicks that have no actual basis in reality?
Posted by James Waterton on 2005 10 29 at 04:12 PM • permalink
- dbo, I’m a-wrackin’ my brain trying to think of what other groups, nationalities or religions like to lop the heads off of people, often filming it and selling the DVDs to an eager market of their enthusiastic co-religionists (or group, or nationality)
Can’t think of a one.
Best I can do is go back a few years with Rwanda, which doesn’t seem to be an ongoing thing with enthusiastic fans, or the Balkans, a rare case of the Muslims being the victims of atrocity and which – hey, about ‘bout that – the evil US put a stop to.
Can’t wait for you to educate us.
- #32 Slammer, I stand (sit) duly chastised.
Is the BBC mainstream enough? 🙂 It is a bit soon.
DBO, a quick google of ‘crusader watch’ comes up with:
Baptist church kicking out its Democrat members (includes a link to the Daily Kos)
and:
This one, about Christian missionaries after the Boxing Day tsunami. It is a pro-Islam piece, and it quite happy to get a few digs at US imperialism in. No mention of any other sort of missionaries, of course.Political jousting in the US amongst baptists, and proselytising amongst the victims of natural disasters. Not exactly on a par with decapitation, I’d think.
More details on the crusading evangelicals here, and the most heinous of all.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 10 29 at 05:07 PM • permalink
- Can’t find it on News.com though. I just emailed them and asked why. Fairfax is currently carrying a little more detail
Andrea, sorry you have to put up with the likes of TSaw’s emails. Know you’re a big girl and can take care of yourself and all that, but his type gets a chap’s dander up.
—Nick
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 10 29 at 06:23 PM • permalink
- I posted once before i think, on a bunch of refugees we recieved from Indo around the time of the East Timor troubles.
I think they were from Ambon, and were pretty well all granted visas on the hush hush.
ANY person in Indo who is not a muslim is fair game in the provencies.
Islam is Evil, its that simple.
There may be good individuals who are muslims, but the philosophy of it is perverted.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 10 29 at 08:03 PM • permalink
- Parker, are you talking about the beheaders, or T-stain?Posted by Steve Skubinna on 2005 10 29 at 08:17 PM • permalink
- JeffS, Waterton: Quoting my comment back to me is clever – good one. 😉
You do understand my point, though.
There were probably thousands of brutal killings around the globe in the past 24 hours: Karenni refugees shot by Burmese miltary, Sudanese families slaughtered while fleeing violence, forced sex workers in Thailand beaten to death by pimps, human rights activists imprisoned and tortured to death in China, striking workers shot by thugs in the Philippines.
Blair has taken an interest in one event. And an appallingly violent one at that. He has said nothing about the motivations of the perpetrators. Predictably, the wise heads in the comments thread have joined the dots together for him.
If Blair was genuinely concerned about victims of violence then there are many stories he could have covered. This one was chosen for it’s usefulness in the tiring game of point scoring that Blair and his readers so often indulge in.
If that is too much like “trolling” or you are unable to see my perspective then we’ll agree to disagree. That won’t bother me at all.
There were probably thousands of brutal killings around the globe in the past 24 hours: Karenni refugees shot by Burmese miltary, Sudanese families slaughtered while fleeing violence, forced sex workers in Thailand beaten to death by pimps, human rights activists imprisoned and tortured to death in China, striking workers shot by thugs in the Philippines.
DBO, I don’t recall any of these perpetrators of violence pledging war against the West and willing to commit wanton acts of mass murder in doing so. I believe Tim performs a service when he shows the levels of depravity the radical adherents of the Religion of Peace are happy to sink to. If they can do it in their home countries, they can certainly do it in ours.
These people cannot be reasoned with, they can only be exterminated. What we need is one big freaking can of Raid.
Posted by wronwright on 2005 10 29 at 08:31 PM • permalink
- #42 Dave S, probably the dead girls were evangelicals -therefore ‘a dangerous sect’ too according to the MSM, – [Re GWBush]therefore ‘encouraging retaliation by their strong beliefs’ etc.
ALSO
How do they know the black hoods were men -perhaps just pious Moslem girls in burkhas sincerely making a cultural clothing statement?
- #54 dirtbikeoption You just don’t get it, do you? Sulewesi is near our own border, it’s a specific Moslem-Christian conflict, and -surprise, surprise- Australia and the US are Christian countries who send missionaries to help foreigners everywhere they can.
So you prefer to be irrelevant to all this and deflect this debate. Do you work for the MSM?
- In short then:
“Islam is evil.”
“We only care about crimes when they are (apparently) targeted against the West.”
“Disagree? Get your own blog.”I see.
That is precisely the type of response that Blair intends when posting something like this. That is the point. I think the popular bloggers’ term is “faux” – Blair is exhibiting faux concern for victims of violence in order to whip his hobby horse. Unless the crime is in some way linked to religious fanaticism then it won’t rate a mention. Then the commenters here do the leg work so Blair doesn’t have to actually say “Islam is evil” himself. Oh, and if you disagree you are obviously in league with the enemy so you can piss off.
- DBO, I care about the other crimes, but those perpetrated in the name of Islam have a direct bearing upon my life when it means that I can no longer be complacent in the idea that my daughter will grow up in blissful ignorance like I did in the 70s and 80s.
Regarding sex workers being beaten to death by their pimps, that happens all over the world, and is also an outrage. However, a pimp is not likely to cut off the heads of either myself or my child.
She will bear the burden of increasing insecurity and loss of freedom. Freedom of dress, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the freedom to be who she wants to be.
The children are ultimately the ones who will pay for this.
I’ll post links on my own blog later on tonight – I’m ebaying at the moment so keeping an eye on the thread while also digging up the garden.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 10 29 at 10:08 PM • permalink
- Gosh, Tim posts on an event that bears on what he and sensible people consider to be the number one security problem in the world today and somebody comes along and complains that he isn’t posting a world-wide police blotter. Tim doesn’t really care about violence unless he posts about all violence in the world. I think that’s called a strawman argument.
This murder appears to be part of the campaign by Muslim radicals to drive out or convert by force the non-Muslims of Indonesia. In other words it is connected to the problem of terrorism by jihadis. That is one of the primary foci of Tim’s blogging. Given time and other limitations he cannot blog about everything. To criticize him for failng to do so is childish.
Posted by Michael Lonie on 2005 10 29 at 10:44 PM • permalink
- dirtbikeoption—Burmese generals are not likely to fly airliners into buildings with my family in them; the Sudanese are fleeing exactly the same death cult that cut the heads off those girls; if you’re worried about the Thai sex workers then book a different vacation next year—oh why waste the time…
You, of course, care about all of these poor people… which means you ain’t done squat about any of them except lap your latte and pray for peace so the people torturing them will come for your last.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 10 29 at 10:49 PM • permalink
- DBO is right about other crimes that shouldn’t escape our attention.
Tehran ‘bounty’ for attack on Israel:
IRAN has promised a reward of $10,000 (£5,600) to Islamic Jihad if the militant group launches rockets from the West Bank towards Tel Aviv, a senior Palestinian intelligence official said last week.
Saudi Arabia to Execute 14 Year Old Egyptian Boy.
I expect left-wing bloggers to follow this up, despite the pressing demands of Scooter Libby coverage.
Some ‘on this day’ history:
The last Indonesian troop ship sails out of East Timor, ending a bloody 24-year military engagement in the now independent nation. Some 200,000 East Timorese and 5000 Indonesian troops have perished since the Indonesian invasion of the former Portuguese colony on December 7, 1975.
All true liberals could agree that we should thank God that John Howard switched off Gough Whitlam’s Timor invasion green light.
Fascist Jefe Hugo Chavez expels Christian missionaries from Venezuela, says they work for the CIA. Tribespeople respond:
Deep in the jungle, Indians wearing loincloths and beaded necklaces gather in a hut to hear their leader question why the American missionaries who help them are being told to leave the country.
The missionaries have been here for years, offering Bible lessons, helping cure the sick and painstakingly learning the Indians’ language. Now, President Hugo Chavez says their U.S.-based evangelical group has links to the CIA, and he ordered all missionaries working with the New Tribes Mission to leave Venezuela.
“They’ve always helped us, they’ve lived among us,” said tribal leader Timoteo Tute, 42. “How can they send them away?”
I expect the left to protest about this abandonment of the poor.
‘Terror’ blasts in Indian capital kill at least 55.
Oil-for-food criminal Kofi Annan:
“The secretary general is particularly shocked that this latest terrorist outrage has occurred on the eve of the major Hindu festival of Diwali,” read a statement from UN chief Kofi Annan.
Yeah, the holiday timing – that’s the most shocking thing.
Just in:
Truck Bomb Explosion in Iraq Kills 26.
Baptists not thought to be responsible but we’ll wait and see.
Chechen attack was ‘grandiose attempt to copy September 11’.
Yes, there’s a lot happening out there in the big bad world. But Tim, more pimp crime analysis if you please.
- C.L.,
That pissant Bolivar-wannabe Emperor Hugo is going to meet a bad end sooner or later (hopefully sooner). An oil price crash will be very, very bad for him. But no matter who does the deed, the US will be blamed. His demise will be added to the Left’s “Crimes of America” list no matter what happens.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2005 10 30 at 12:00 AM • permalink
If Blair was genuinely concerned about victims of violence then there are many stories he could have covered. This one was chosen for it’s usefulness in the tiring game of point scoring that Blair and his readers so often indulge in.
Interesting perspective. Let me try:
“If [anti-war protestors] [were] genuinely concerned about victims of [war] then there are many [conflicts they could protest]. This one was chosen for it’s usefulness in the tiring game of point scoring that [anti-Americans] and [their fellow travellers] so often indulge in.”
Or how about:
“If [human-rights protestors] [were] genuinely concerned about victims of [torture] then there are many [actual atrocities] [they] could have covered. [Abu Ghraib and Gitmo] [were] chosen for their usefulness in the tiring game of point scoring that [anti-Americans] and [their fellow travellers] so often indulge in.”
Nah, doesn’t work. Because, while the examples you cite are certainly Bad News, they rather pale on the Evil Fucker Scale in comparison to cutting off the heads of schoolgirls. Whereas in my examples, the things chosen for attention are insignificant compared to the true nastiness being committed elsewhere by non-American-types.
Same for Israel.
- Gotta give credit to dbo for finding a new application for the “if you’re not willing to take out all dictators, you have no right to take out any of them” canard. Now it’s “if you’re not willing to post about every single instance of deadly violence in the world, you’re not allowed to post about a single one of them”.
Minus points though for having the gall to whine about the “getcha own blog” comments that resulted.
Incidentally:
If Blair was genuinely concerned about victims of violence then there are many stories he could have covered. This one was chosen for it’s usefulness in the tiring game of point scoring that Blair and his readers so often indulge in.
If you’re tired of reading the posts and comments on this blog, I’m sure Andrea will be able to show you the door if you’re unable to find the little X on your browser window on your own. Incidentally, with your (equally tiresome) insistence that all instances of violence in the world need to be highlighted at the same time you’re merely managing to downplay all of them. In that, your approach mirrors the one taken by Nic White on the NYT thread…again it’s the equivocating “this kinda thing is everywhere, no reason to make a big deal of the instances I don’t want you to notice, move right along”. Is there a leftism 101 class offered somewhere that teaches this kind of deflection?
- dirtbikeoption , you don’t seem to understand the internet. It has millions of sites on almost all topics most are specialised. That is what provides the balance. Now unless Blair is taking your money or at the vary least claiming to be an all encompassing news provider then you expecting comment on demand seems like self entitlement and/or laziness.
- You know, I’ve had a migraine all day, and for two cents—no, for free—I’d throw dirtheadbullshit out on his smug little cyberass. I’ve had it with these cretins. All your comments here, dirtfacepucker, are but to say “well, so some Christian school girls got their heads cut off, but like, who cares, what’s really important is what I think.” As far as I am concerned faux “just looking for fairness” micro-testicled creeps like you can choke on your Fair Trade soyburgers.
And if you don’t like my attitude, that’s not my problem.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 10 30 at 01:01 AM • permalink
- I’ve put together a post for dirtbikeoption if he’s reading this at Boganville.Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 10 30 at 05:11 AM • permalink
- DBO, your attempt to make people feel guilty and divert the thread from this evil crime was pathetic. And stupid—people here saw through your nonsense in short order.Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 30 at 07:23 AM • permalink
- SO DirtBike Dude thinks that if you can’t address ALL EVIL AT ONCE then you shouldn’t address ANY EVIL EVER. Hmmmmmmm….sounds like a plan for…NOTHING.Posted by Jess1Dering on 2005 10 30 at 02:08 PM • permalink
- Jess1Dering—“Nothing” is acceptable to a lefty, as long as you CARE SO MUCH…Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 10 30 at 08:38 PM • permalink
- Brian:The MSM is very careful not to incite anger against Muslim Extremists…that might detract from the anger they’re eternally and deliberately stirring up against the current administration. The Anchoress smells a COUP and so do I, how ‘bout YOU???Posted by Jess1Dering on 2005 10 30 at 10:46 PM • permalink
- Re #59…
dirtbike….
I don’t usually criticise other people’s comments, but YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING!
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
The ONLY time the Left ever seems to mobilise its collective outrage for victims, is when it can exploit those victims to take a whack at Bush or America in general.
Yes Abu Ghraib was a disgrace, but the truly hysterical levels of outrage were absurd to put it mildly, especially obscene when you consider other more egregious scandals which didn’t even register, or worse, we’re actively understated in the media. Take the various U.N. sex scandals for instance. Where 100’s of children, some as young as 12, some say 8, were photographed being raped by U.N. officials in the Congo. A sex scandal which included children from Kosovo, Bosnia, East Timor, west Africa and Cambodia.
Then there’s Chechnya and the slave trade in Niger…I could go on and on.
Just take a look at MSF’s annual list of the ten most under reported humanitarian disasters on their website. The one thing this crises have in common is that in the vast majority of cases these victims aren’t of any use to all the anti-U.S. commentators out there, and as such, you’re not likely to come across them on the ABC, SBS, the SMH or The Age…they’re just ain’t interested!
At least here, you’re able to hear about the less fashionable victims out the
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That will be a tough one to prove, at least with the Indon police on the case it will be.