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Andrew Bolt on Labor’s Kyoto Konfusion: click, click, click, click, click, click. See also Malcolm Farr, who notes a Kyoto Konvergence:

The Labor and Liberal policies on Kyoto are essentially the same.

UPDATE. This isn’t the first time Peter Garrett’s been caught up in rapid campaign flippery.

UPDATE II. Stephen Pollard in the Times:

Howard called a six-week campaign (polling is on November 24) because, with Labour so far ahead, he had to hope that the opposition would unravel under pressure. It looks as though that is now happening.

The pressure is on Peter particularly:

Kevin Rudd has refused to guarantee Peter Garrett would serve as environment minister in a Labor government after the former rock star made an embarrassing gaffe about the Kyoto Protocol.

Posted by Tim B. on 10/30/2007 at 06:31 PM
    1. From the fourth click,

      It is quite clear from the analysis and the modelling done by MMA that the overall impact on the economy in terms of growth and jobs in the near to medium term would be negligible and in the longer term, the overall impact on the economy would be significantly positive.

      I heard this replayed on the radio. How can the snivelling little runt say this with a straight face?

      Posted by kae on 2007 10 30 at 06:46 PM • permalink


    1. kae

      How can the snivelling little runt say this with a straight face?

      It can be said as you are correct…it is a snivelling little runt, saying it.

      Posted by El Cid on 2007 10 30 at 06:51 PM • permalink


    1. I’m not familiar with the Oil’s material, I hated them – I don’t need some protesting/conscience-raising band to test my ethics – but could this be Garrett’s theme song?

      Posted by kae on 2007 10 30 at 06:53 PM • permalink


    1. 60 percent by 2050, 20 percent by 2020, whatever – this kind of waffle has absolutely no electoral traction.  If anything, just the opposite: it’s the 2007 version of the infamous Knowledge Nation flowchart.  Why doesn’t the ABC do a street poll on who can correctly recite these formulas?  I’m guessing about 1 in 20.

      Posted by cuckoo on 2007 10 30 at 07:06 PM • permalink


    1. Tim,

      At the risk of raising this blog’s pro-Howard ire to fever pitch, at least Rudd has had the balls to change a bad policy that would have caused massive destruction to the Aussie economy.

      Compare Rudd’s “flip-flop” with Hilary Benn’s brave “stay-the-course” measures now being debated:

      Benn pledges tougher climate bill

      Environment Secretary Hilary Benn says he is putting forward a tougher, more effective and more transparent bill to help tackle climate change.

      There will be a new carbon trading scheme for large and medium-sized firms which will cut more than 4m tonnes of carbon dioxide a year by 2020.

      The Bill will make the UK the first country to put carbon emissions reduction targets into law.

      He spoke as MPs called for a climate change minister to be appointed.

      The Environmental Audit Committee wants a cross departmental climate change minister to drive government policy and who could attend Cabinet meetings.

      Mr Benn said the government would amend its draft climate change legislation following a three-month public consultation and scrutiny by three parliamentary committees.

      Aviation emissions

      An independent committee on climate change would be set up that would advise on “five year carbon budgets” – part of a new commitment to carbon reduction

      “We will use the bill to introduce carbon trading in further sectors,” said Mr Benn.

      “These powers will implement the new carbon reduction commitment – a trading scheme for large to medium size companies and public sector organisations.

      “This scheme will save four million tonnes of carbon dioxide a year by 2020 and help to spread responsibility for doing something about climate change right across the economy.”

      and of course, this ain’t enough for the Greens who want a complete shutdown of the UK economy and a return to the Stone Age.

      We need a Climate Change Bill which sets binding emissions reduction targets of at least 6% a year to allow us to achieve cuts in UK greenhouse gas emissions in the region of 90% by 2030
      Caroline Lucas
      Green Party

      Stop the world I want to get off!

      Posted by John A on 2007 10 30 at 07:08 PM • permalink


    1. #1
      How can the snivelling little runt say this with a straight face?Cos he’s a career public servant shiny arse with no relevant qualifications and hopes people will swallow his waffle.

      It might work from on high in the public service with subordinate ‘yes men’; but, prolly as Howard hopes, Joe Public sees right through it.

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 10 30 at 07:16 PM • permalink


    1. Slightly O/T.Check out page 8 of the SMH for a colour picture of the Silver Bodgie on the campaign trail at Oxford Mall.His choice of campaign clobber would be the envy of many a corrupt Queensland property developer of the ‘70s.Unfortunately his sartorial elegance appears to suffer for the want of an incontinence pad.Blanche really shouldn’t let him out of the house dressed like that particularly when he’s heading up to Oxford St.

      Posted by Lew on 2007 10 30 at 07:17 PM • permalink


    1. This pressure on Peter is particularly powerful and perplexing.

      Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 10 30 at 07:18 PM • permalink


    1. #8
      The Rudder appears to continually allow his Peter to be exposed to the public.

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 10 30 at 07:23 PM • permalink


    1. So, if Garrett doesn’t get the minister’s job, does that mean he has to go back to haunting houses?

      Posted by paco on 2007 10 30 at 07:25 PM • permalink


    1. In between doing one thing and the next yesterday I caught a brief glimpse of Kevni on the TV (and I do try to keep my glimpses of that man as brief as possible) saying Labor is going to sign Kyoto.  Is that what they’re going to do?  Or is it something they once said they were going to do but now aren’t going to do?  Or what?

      Will someone with a strong constitution save me the pain of reading all their guff?  Please?

      Posted by Janice on 2007 10 30 at 07:31 PM • permalink


    1. #11: and I do try to keep my glimpses of that man as brief as possible

      Good idea, Janice. If you look directly at Rudd for very long, you’ll turn into . . . a cotton swab!!! Bwahahahaha!!!

      Posted by paco on 2007 10 30 at 07:43 PM • permalink


    1. Is Stephen Pollard correct when he writes:

      Despite Australia comfortably meeting the Kyoto treaty targets, Howard has refused to sign the treaty because all the real obligations were placed on the developed world.

      If so the criticisms of Howard do really show up what ‘environmentalists’ really care about, not reducing Carbon Dioxide emissions but massaging the egos of the professional greens who absolutely have to fly all over the world to attend climate conferences and denounce capitalism.

      Posted by Ross on 2007 10 30 at 07:47 PM • permalink


    1. Garrett is rapidly turning into one the Liberal’s greatest assets.
      Shades of Loony Latham’s ‘bonecrusher” handshake in 2004, even rusted on Labor voters are shaking their heads in despair over over this baldy cretin.I would bet a motza that you won’t hear another peep out of Garrett prior to election day.
      There will be minders wearing badly fitting suits and mirror sunglasses ensuring he doesn’t get near a journo.

      Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2007 10 30 at 08:31 PM • permalink


    1. Where does this leave Labor acolytes such as Lav Paper, who as Paul Kelly notes ‘have worshipped’ Kyoto for the past four years and damned Howard heavily for refusing to sign it. What now?

      Posted by Nic on 2007 10 30 at 08:34 PM • permalink


    1. I wonder if Tim had anything to do with this article in today’s Daily Telegraph.  I reckon that the 14% who though the Kyoto Protocol was a Japanese banquet dish are smarter than the luvvies who think it’s a religious deity.

      Posted by craigo on 2007 10 30 at 08:50 PM • permalink


    1. Bugger, it should be ‘thought’.  And I previewed too!

      Posted by craigo on 2007 10 30 at 08:54 PM • permalink


    1. #14 You’re right PtI.
      When Labor announced that Garret was going to be a candidate I wondered how they were going to control him. They have only recently let him open his mouth in public and he immediately screws it.
      The slam of cage doors and clunk of locks I am now hearing are music to my ears.
      It’s just a pity that Labor woke up to the risks to their campaign before voting day.

      Posted by Skeeter on 2007 10 30 at 08:59 PM • permalink


    1. Love Garrett’s expression on The Australian front page today.

      “I’ll just stand here pretending (unconvincingly) my political career’s not over.”

      Posted by Dminor on 2007 10 30 at 09:00 PM • permalink


    1. Slightly O/T, this Wall Street Journal article on Ruddernomics should be sent to every swinging voter you know.

      Posted by Skeeter on 2007 10 30 at 09:04 PM • permalink


    1. Garrett is charting the same course as other Labor celebrity politicians. It is this wonderful arc across the sky like a meteorite at night. At some point he will come to earth in a flash of blue light, leaving nothing but a smoking hole as his legacy.

      Like Kernot, for whom the smoking hole analogy works on more than one level.

      Posted by Contrail on 2007 10 30 at 09:05 PM • permalink


    1. PM unveils $444m health training plan hehe

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 10 30 at 09:06 PM • permalink


    1. #21
      ContrailI think he’s currently burning up on re-entry.

      Posted by kae on 2007 10 30 at 09:09 PM • permalink


    1. #21
      And, apparently, the Rudder is another behind-the-scenes tantrum thrower the likes of ashtray hurler ex-Senator Garry Evans.

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 10 30 at 09:12 PM • permalink


    1. O/T A good question for a minister about a recently released serial rapist and paedophile – from Bolta’s.

      Posted by kae on 2007 10 30 at 09:13 PM • permalink


    1. #20 Done.  Sent it to a mate in Melbourne who seems seduced by the charlatan.

      Posted by craigo on 2007 10 30 at 09:17 PM • permalink



    1. Brief interruption for American readers: this is just wrong – or at least, incomprehensible – on so many levels.

      Posted by paco on 2007 10 30 at 09:35 PM • permalink


    1. 28 – can you translate that for me in English please 😉

      The tide is turning.  A 6 week campaign – doing them slowly.  Howard on Lateline seemed to be enjoying himself!

      Posted by peter m on 2007 10 30 at 10:04 PM • permalink


    1. Abbott late for start of debate


      Posted by egg_ on 2007 10 30 at 10:06 PM • permalink


    1. Earwax – hand picked by Kevin Rudd.
      Peter Garrett – hand picked by Mark Latham.Enough said.

      Posted by Penguin on 2007 10 30 at 10:07 PM • permalink


    1. He was delayed interstate.

      It’s OK, his opponent started the debate without him…

      Posted by kae on 2007 10 30 at 10:07 PM • permalink


    1. Roxon said, paraphrased, “I should win because at least I turned up.”

      Posted by kae on 2007 10 30 at 10:09 PM • permalink


    1. #28. Flabergasted. And suspicious at the same time.

      Posted by Penguin on 2007 10 30 at 10:10 PM • permalink


    1. An astute commenter at #3 here invented the term kevinomics – and now nobody wants to use it – goddammit.

      All of this brings to mind the sage advice of Sir William Gladstone as recorded in the second post of Harry Hutton’s.

      Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 10 30 at 10:15 PM • permalink


    1. Re: Abbott late for debate – he probably figured why bother?  No matter how well he does, Roxon will be declared the winner.  Hell, if Roxon failed to show up, the worm would still go through the roof every time they cut to her empty podium.

      Posted by cuckoo on 2007 10 30 at 10:15 PM • permalink


    1. #36
      Yeah, thought it might be related to #22.

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 10 30 at 10:21 PM • permalink


    1. Will Garrett go away after the elections.  I don’t know how much more I can take.  I innocently click on a link, and there he is!  The nightmares are becoming a real problem.

      #28. Paco,

      That explains a lot.  At least we know where, how, and why he lost his ever-lovin’ mind.  Stud-girl.  Can that be a word?  It would provide a new example for “oxymoron.”

      Posted by saltydog on 2007 10 30 at 10:38 PM • permalink


    1. I’m confused.

      If Japan didn’t adhere to the Geneva Convention why should y’all sign something called “Kyoto”?

      Posted by yojimbo on 2007 10 30 at 11:06 PM • permalink


    1. O/T Robert Goulet karked it, aged 73.

      Posted by kae on 2007 10 30 at 11:08 PM • permalink


    1. #38: I just don’t get it. Granted: she’s a “hippie chick”, which implies a brain the size of a Milk Dud. She shares his political views. Maybe she was even zonked out on ecstasy when she floated down the aisle. But it’s Dennis Kucinich!! I mean, she could French-kiss this frog so deep you could wet a postage stamp on his ass, and he’d still be a frog. Worse! He’d still be Dennis Kucinich!! The same 60-year-old, pointy-eared big head on a skinny neck, making him the first bobble-headed troll in history to run for the American presidency. Between swallows of the applesauce they feed him between the bars of his padded cell he claims Bush is crazy. This is practically bestiality, I say!

      Pulls handkerchief from pocket of navy blue, double-breasted suit jacket and wipes foam from mouth.

      Ok, ok. I’ll tell you what’s really got me steamed. That red-headed tomato is almost exactly how I visualized the very first babe in the very first Detective Paco story – right down to the color of her dress! Little did Detective Paco know that, when she sauntered out of his office – her “swell set of gams vanishing into the night” – she was on her way to a tofu dinner and a Pete Seeger concert with Dennis Kucinich. What next? Sheila as the second Mrs. Rudd? I knew I should have married Paco and Sheila off in the last story; I had even written an alternative ending to the story with that in mind. Now, it may be too late.

      Posted by paco on 2007 10 30 at 11:09 PM • permalink


    1. #40, Kae

      That is two.  Porter Wagoner died yesterday.  Guess we just have to wait to see who number 3 will be.  No hurry.

      Posted by yojimbo on 2007 10 30 at 11:35 PM • permalink


    1. Paco (Cid, close your eyes),

      Take away a few inches (I’m 5’4″), add a few (ahem) years and pounds, the tongue stud, and … oh hell, once upon a time I was a red-headed babe.  Green eyes, too.  I might not have had the gams, but everything was in the right place, in proper proportion, with an ample bosom.  And I was born with my red-hair, which grew long and thick and kinda wild.  I was never a hippie, though; too busy actually dealing with life.

      Excuse my bragging.  It amounts to nothing but a wistful bit of nostalgia now.

      Posted by saltydog on 2007 10 31 at 12:02 AM • permalink


    1. #43
      Weren’t we all, Salty, weren’t we all.

      Posted by kae on 2007 10 31 at 12:05 AM • permalink


    1. #41
      If it’s any consolation, he looks a helluva lot happier in the pic than her …

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 10 31 at 12:16 AM • permalink


    1. #s 43&44- I’d keep quiet about your gingerdom if I was you.

      Posted by Habib on 2007 10 31 at 12:22 AM • permalink


    1. Is this something you folks have seen? Kevin Rudd Glorious Leader

      Posted by The Apologist on 2007 10 31 at 12:27 AM • permalink


    1. misopilirubrica
      misocarotasuperlices(someone help me!!)

      Posted by kae on 2007 10 31 at 12:33 AM • permalink


    1. #47
      Old. But what the hell.

      Posted by kae on 2007 10 31 at 12:34 AM • permalink


    1. #48
      Better a red(head) in bed than a red under the bed?

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 10 31 at 12:42 AM • permalink


    1. Hell, Habib, I grew up hearing all the crap that used to be thrown at us especially endowed.  There were few red-heads back then (course, I grew up in Japan).  Now they all head for the bottle, trying to catch up.  Pffft.

      I dare any of these dead from the neck up yahoos to try to haul me off to some camp.  Perhaps they haven’t heard of our well-deserved rep for a temper to match the hair.  That and a 12-gauge repels all borders.

      Posted by saltydog on 2007 10 31 at 01:28 AM • permalink


    1. A 12-gauge answers all questions and solves even more issues!

      You were OK by me before that.

      Posted by yojimbo on 2007 10 31 at 01:46 AM • permalink


    1. Isn’t anyone going to ejamakate me on my poor attempt at making up new latin-rooted words?

      Posted by kae on 2007 10 31 at 01:48 AM • permalink


    1. Latin?

      How do you spell that?

      Posted by yojimbo on 2007 10 31 at 01:57 AM • permalink


    1. Isn’t that the stuff with Roman numerals?

      I’m no good at this new math stuff.

      Posted by yojimbo on 2007 10 31 at 01:59 AM • permalink


    1. OT:  I have evidence that I have enough DVD’s.

      Saw the original Bourne Identity on sale with the “Explosive Alternate Ending.” When I stuffed it into my Mini, the Mac helpfully told me I’d watched it before and asked if I wated to start from the beginning or from the last time played.  WTF?!

      Sure enough, a search of my DVD library confirmed that I already had it.

      Now I have a backup, I guess.


      Posted by Hucbald on 2007 10 31 at 02:00 AM • permalink


    1. Ha ha ha. Hucbald, are you yet at the point where you have a 6 foot tall, 3 foot wide bookshelf full of DVDs, arranged alphabetically so you can find them?

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 10 31 at 02:06 AM • permalink


    1. I’d dearly love to get a Mac but my trading programs are PC based.  I understand that the new Mac will support Windows stuff but you lose the security advantages of the Mac at the same time.  Conudrums abound.

      Posted by yojimbo on 2007 10 31 at 02:12 AM • permalink


    1. Maybe even conundrums.  It’s late.

      Posted by yojimbo on 2007 10 31 at 02:13 AM • permalink


    1. #58- use an earlier one and load a program called virtual pc platform- lets you run any windows based program but it creates a seperate and secure platform on the drive for them. Likewise I’m trapped with MS to run my professional systems, but I refuse to use a PC with more holes in it than grandmas undies.

      Posted by Habib on 2007 10 31 at 02:35 AM • permalink


    1. Kyoto is a Sushi bar.

      Posted by Howzat on 2007 10 31 at 02:43 AM • permalink


    1. #7

      Lew, I saw that badly dressed pimp out here in Five Wog last week.  He was “supporting” the local candidate, which appeared to consist of him walking into the candidate’s office whilst smiling for a few cameras.

      The luvvies were all over him.  I stayed on the other side of the road and chatted to my butcher.  He seemed happy that the silver haired pimp has visited the shop next door and not his.

      Posted by mr creosote on 2007 10 31 at 02:51 AM • permalink


    1. O/T but a nice example of Lab maaaates looking after one another here.
      In the recordings, Mr Quigley was heard threatening to expose the identity of an undercover police officer unless he agreed to cooperate with a campaign to clear Mr Mallard’s name.Nice to see the WA Lab party is as clean as ever. (Mallard was a good cause, but I think this blokes conduct should see him struck off)

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 10 31 at 02:53 AM • permalink


    1. Pollard’s piece good read. Labor still don’t geddit. Howard and OZ economy nowhere in the dire situation Blair had to play with in ‘97. Rudd has a good story to tell on education but he should have spent some of his time working out how to nullify Howard’s campaign which would be reverse image of Carville’s 1992 campaign for Clinton ie “it’s full employment 3,stupid, are you gonna vote for these Labor C grades to eff it up?”

      Posted by bb on 2007 10 31 at 04:03 AM • permalink


    1. I more than made up for my faux pas by orderng the widescreen version of “The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance” in the glorious original black and white.  I still can’t decide which it the best John Wayne movie of all time, this one or The Searchers.

      Well, then there is The Quiet Man, with the most beautiful redhead in human history, Maureen O’Hara.

      I guess I mean WESTERNS starring John Wayne.

      I’d buy an ashtray with Maureen O’Hara on it… or a liberal political ticket.

      Posted by Hucbald on 2007 10 31 at 04:49 AM • permalink


    1. #64 “Howard and OZ economy nowhere in the dire situation Blair had to play with in ‘97.” Britain’s economy was booming in 1997 and had been growing solidly for four years after the reforms by the previous government.

      Posted by Ross on 2007 10 31 at 04:59 AM • permalink


    1. #60 when I moved over to the mac I got myself Virtual PC because I thought I would still need to use windows programs a bit.  But I have found in the last year I have only used it once – for e-tax, which will be mac compatible next year anyway.  So I doubt I will need VPC anymore.

      On a new mac,you could set up a separate partition on your hard drive for windows. So viruses only give you issues on the windows partition, but they don’t hurt your mac partition.

      Posted by entropy on 2007 10 31 at 05:04 AM • permalink


    1. #65 It’s a tough call Hucbald. I’m not worthy to declare the winner though.

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 10 31 at 05:07 AM • permalink



      Posted by Evil Pundit on 2007 10 31 at 05:24 AM • permalink


    1. #69 (titter again)



      Posted by kae on 2007 10 31 at 05:27 AM • permalink


    1. #65. Hucbald,

      I like both westerns, for different reasons.  I’d have to add Big Jake. Maureen O’Hara is in it.  Both are more mature.  Wayne’s sons, and most of the rest of his stock players are in it.  I really like the story.

      I agree with you about Maureen O’Hara, who is one of Hollywood’s classiest women, and one of a handful of actors I’d watch sort a sock drawer.

      Posted by saltydog on 2007 10 31 at 05:32 AM • permalink


    1. #69
      There’s a new ho award?
      That’s news.
      Guess they’ve got members in the Media Entertainment and Arts Alliance?

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 10 31 at 05:36 AM • permalink


    1. OT: Rumsfeld charged with torture in France

      Don’t miss the comments, which are much better than the article, with comedic gems such as

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 10 31 at 05:39 AM • permalink


    1. Hucbald!!!!

      The Adventures of Robin Hood with Richard Greene (he’s the gorgeous one on the right) and Maureen O’Hara. My favourite programme from the 1960s – I thought that Richard Greene was the most handsome man I had ever seen, he was my first crush, and I was only about 8 or so when it was played on Australian TV. Maureen O’Hara was the most beautiful woman I had ever seen.

      Posted by kae on 2007 10 31 at 05:41 AM • permalink


    1. paco,

      Believe me, I understand your apoplectic reaction.  My guess is she doesn’t actually sleep with the elf.  She gets that from Clive, a well endowed British rightwinger and supporter of the London Arsenel.

      Posted by wronwright on 2007 10 31 at 05:41 AM • permalink


    1. #73
      Can we bring back the death penalty for absolute solid blind stupidity?Please?

      Posted by kae on 2007 10 31 at 05:43 AM • permalink


    1. #76 I hope so. We’ll have to ask our Seppo friends though, because I suspect the idiot who wrote that [Twilight Zone X-Files music] walks amongst them [/X-Files music].

      Yet again, more proof that asylums either need more staff, more beds, or both.

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 10 31 at 05:46 AM • permalink


    1. #74 kae

      My mom is Irish – maiden name is Daugherty – and she never tires of telling this story: I was a little kid of five or six, and some Maureen O’Hara movie or other was on TV.  Mom walks through the room and sees me enraptured.  She said something like, “what’s on?” And so, as she recounts, I replied, “A lady almost as pretty as you!”

      Oh, and my mom is the bomb.  Dad had a lucky streak in him.

      Posted by Hucbald on 2007 10 31 at 05:55 AM • permalink


    1. More Garrett foot-in-mouth hehe

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 10 31 at 05:56 AM • permalink


    1. #78 You must have gotten extra birthday presents that year Hucbald.

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 10 31 at 05:57 AM • permalink


    1. #65 Hucbold, what about True Grit?  Now I enjoyed that.  Or The Sons of Katy Elder?

      Posted by entropy on 2007 10 31 at 06:04 AM • permalink


    1. Ahem! <taps microphone>
      Back to the subject matter, with apologies (as Tony would say) to Gerard Manly Hopkins:
      I caught this morning morning’s moonbat,
      Kingdom of daylight’s dingbat, dribble-dawn-drawn Franbat,
      In her deriding of the roiling campaign, on the air …

      ABC Radio National may or may not have flicked the switch to vaudeville this morning, but the session with Fran and Michelle Grattan was hilarious.
      Fran suddenly finds the subject of climate change and proposed international agreements “impenetrable” and “complex”.
      As for policy – it’s so confusing! Has the ALP moved closer to the Government, or vice versa?
      Maybe Michelle can help. Tell us, Michelle, was this really a backflip by Garrott & Rudd?
      Michelle really hates to say too much about this. Safer to move on to the debate between Costello and Swan.
      Michelle felt that this was a “draw, although Costello did perform better”.
      Fran & Michelle’s High Irony Reunion can be heard on ABC RN at around 7.35 most weekday mornings.

      Posted by blogstrop on 2007 10 31 at 06:18 AM • permalink


    1. Oooh
      I gotta storm coming… might miss me… but I think I’ll get the edge of it, wind’s picking up already and it’s ..
      sheesh! Just refreshed the page, there’s a whole bunch of storms out there headed to the coast. Look at this!Skeeter, if you’re about, batten down your hatches!

      Posted by kae on 2007 10 31 at 06:22 AM • permalink


    1. # 81 entropy

      The Sons of Katy Elder is also a magnificent John Wayne vehicle, and the supporting cast is ridiculously stout.  I happen to have a soft spot for Rio Bravo because Wayne swears in his deps with an oath that includes, “The County of Presidio”: Presidio County Texas is the neighboring county to the one in which I live (Brewster County, which is 5.9 times larger than the STATE of Rhode Island).

      I can’t remember which female country singer it was, but in an interview she was asked why she was in her thirties and still single.  She dryly replied, “Because they don’t make men like John Wayne anymore.”

      Needless to say, we haven’t met. ;^)

      Posted by Hucbald on 2007 10 31 at 06:24 AM • permalink


    1. The transcripts themselves are quite confusing when you read them.
      Tony Jones, Lateline
      Maybe this is the lead that got Fran going on the “confused” course of defence.
      Andrew Bolt Blog

      Posted by blogstrop on 2007 10 31 at 06:37 AM • permalink


    1. I heard that interview of Garrott by Uhlmann. It was very clear!

      Posted by blogstrop on 2007 10 31 at 06:38 AM • permalink


    1. #84 Uh-oh, looks like Nimbin’s comin’ in for a pasting. Unless they’ve gone hydroponic, a really good storm just might wipe out a large proportion of their annual crop, not to mention sending the cost of a standard foil up to $90 or so. Maybe Iemma will send them a relief package.

      One thing’s for certain, the damns will get little to nothing, going by their record with recent downpours in the area. It’s like they’ve invisible domes protecting them from precipitation or something.

      Posted by Dminor on 2007 10 31 at 06:46 AM • permalink


    1. #83 Been watching them kae.
      Hatches battened, Doberman in her kennel.

      Posted by Skeeter on 2007 10 31 at 06:53 AM • permalink


    1. Kae, have you seen this site?
      The pretty stuff is lightning strikes.

      Posted by Skeeter on 2007 10 31 at 06:59 AM • permalink


    1. #89
      No I haven’t seen that one! I usually look at the Energex Lightning Tracker/ I linked to it here the other day. It’s cool!Still blowy outside, can see the lightning to the south, headed for the Gold Coast.

      Posted by kae on 2007 10 31 at 07:07 AM • permalink


    1. “Robin Hood, Robin Hood, ridin’ through the glen.
      “Robin Hood, Robin Hood. with his band of men,
      Feared by the bad, loved by the good, Robin Hood, Robin Hood, Robin Hood”
      (Theme from the 50/60’s Brit TV show, now permanently embedded in my mind)A superb musical piece, characterised by it’s delicate yet meaningful three chord progression, quietly descending into fadeout.
      In other words, any pimple faced youth with a $20 guitar could excel on this theme. No wonder I still love it after 40 years.
      Thanks for the earworm Kae (#74), I intend to drive my tribe to distraction with “olden days” alleged music this evening.
      Payback for their “techno” aural pollution.

      Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2007 10 31 at 07:13 AM • permalink


    1. Don’t forget the french horns, Pedro!

      ABstinkin’C has been playing cartoo themes every afternoon, we get one a day. Jeez, some of them are awful… Top Cat and all the others that sound like it – groovy 50’s eeek! They’re all formula, ick!

      But I really did have a huge crush on Richard Green. I was devastated to discover how old he was when he died. I think I liked him better than Richard Chamberlain Dr Kildare* (no, we WON’T go there, OK?).

      *I remember that theme song, too.

      Posted by kae on 2007 10 31 at 07:18 AM • permalink


    1. I didn’t mind Ivanhoe, too.

      Can’t remember his theme song.

      What was it about the damsels in distress and the swordplay? The swash and buckle.

      Posted by kae on 2007 10 31 at 07:19 AM • permalink


    1. #82 🙂
      Thanks for the update, been missing the morning ‘bats.

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 10 31 at 07:21 AM • permalink


    1. #84 Hucbald; is this your lady?

      Posted by dean martin on 2007 10 31 at 07:26 AM • permalink


    1. SKEETS! Check out the storms around my joint! Still so far dancing around me… it’s spitting and blowing a gale.
      I hope my little butcher bird babies are OK!

      Posted by kae on 2007 10 31 at 07:32 AM • permalink


    1. #82 I caught this morning morning’s moonbat,


      Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 10 31 at 07:34 AM • permalink


    1. #97 eeeniemeenie

      are you sure that’s good for your blood pressure?

      Have you battened down your hatches? Some of this storm stuff might come your way, too…

      Posted by kae on 2007 10 31 at 07:36 AM • permalink


    1. Hi Huc! mwah, mwah!

      I looked into your new site the other day. It looks and sounds delightful.

      As you’re onto movies now, Entropy mentioning True Grit, reminds me of one of my favourite scenes from that movie. The one where John Wayne says to Kim Darby, (excuse me if I don’t quote verbatim), “The day I meet a Texan who HASN’T drunk water out of a muddy hoofprint, I’ll shake his hand!” hehehe

      That scene cracks me up every time I see it. As I recall, Glen Campbell played the Texan that drank out of a muddy hoofprint.

      You’re absolutely spot on about Maureen O’Hara. Remember “How Green Was My Valley”?

      I also reckon that Greer Garson and Deborah Kerr are right up there with her for class and style.

      Posted by Pogria on 2007 10 31 at 07:37 AM • permalink


    1. #90 kae, looks like the storm front is reaching you at the same time as us.
      In our area the cells are collapsing as they come into the low ground, so it may not be too bad for us
      We are 175° 27 km from the radar.
      Good luck!

      Posted by Skeeter on 2007 10 31 at 07:37 AM • permalink


    1. And, while we are completely O/T here, and subject to the imminent thrust of the Zulu spear in the back from She Whose Name Must Never Be Spoken Aloud, what about John Wayne’s classic “Rio Grande” movie, and the scene where his soldiers sing and play “I’ll Take You Home Again, Kathleen” to their Commanding Officer (Wayne) and his estranged wife (O’Hara)?
      Ken Curtis, who played Festus in “Gunsmoke” and the guitar pickers, the Sons of the Pioneers, played one of the most emotional versions of that ol’ Irish favourite ever. Even the Duke later said he had a tear in his eye.
      Then again, the Duke was a great actor, and played the publicity game like a violin.

      Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2007 10 31 at 07:38 AM • permalink


    1. Hi Kae!!!

      You still up?

      Posted by Pogria on 2007 10 31 at 07:39 AM • permalink


    1. Hey Pedro,

      looks like Tim’s gone walkabout. We can muck up all we like! 😉

      Posted by Pogria on 2007 10 31 at 07:41 AM • permalink


    1. #99 What Pogs says Huc. Congratulations on your beautiful site.

      Posted by Skeeter on 2007 10 31 at 07:43 AM • permalink


    1. #98 Kae -it’s dead calm here right now- looked at your links above and it looks like we might cop a bit of it- everything’s battened down so if it does come I can sit back and enjoy the sound and light show 🙂

      Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 10 31 at 07:49 AM • permalink


    1. It looks like it’ll be fun in Queensland tonight.

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 10 31 at 07:59 AM • permalink


    1. Hi Pogs, yeah I’m still standing… just.

      Hi eenie – looks like it’s fizzed a bit, but it’s raining and banging outside here. Windows are all still open, but I think it’s mostly past me by. Maybe it’s just gonna be a bit of rain by the time it gets to you… Looking at the rain radar it’s pretty widespread, but it looks like there’s only one stormcell left in it, and it’s probably going to fizz out.

      Posted by kae on 2007 10 31 at 08:04 AM • permalink


    1. Hmm. I think I should get a job reporting the weather. I have all the technical terms down pat.

      Fizzed out. Heavy rain. Blowy.

      Yeah, I could do that!

      Posted by kae on 2007 10 31 at 08:05 AM • permalink


    1. Kae, just went out on the deck and there’s some lightning southish but not even a breeze here yet.

      my favourite john wayne film is the horse soldiers

      ‘mess with me, I’ll have your hide.’
      ‘You’re welcome to it sir, if it’s in the line of duty.’

      Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 10 31 at 08:08 AM • permalink


    1. Yeah Ash_
      As long as the roof stays on I enjoy watching the storms snuggled up in the cot.
      Mrs Skeeter is being very kind to me since I got rid of the 4-foot tiger snake I found under the kitchen table last night.
      Kae, lightning and rain just started here but no bad winds so far.

      Posted by Skeeter on 2007 10 31 at 08:14 AM • permalink


    1. anyone seen that Lions and Lambs movie in the blogad?

      ‘love it or hate it you wont be able to look away’- what a stupid tagline- does’nt make me want to part with 15 bucks

      Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 10 31 at 08:19 AM • permalink


    1. Skeeter, I bet Mrs Skeeter was terribly appreciative.

      How did the snake exit Skeeter Castle?

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 10 31 at 08:21 AM • permalink


    1. #111, eenie,

      That movie opened in 2,000 some cinemas in the States and only made 4.5 million dollars on opening weekend.

      I read an article that Paco linked to that reviewed it and said that the American people are sick of being portrayed as the bad guys in American made movies, which is why it’s failing.

      I agree with the review and the sepps.

      Posted by Pogria on 2007 10 31 at 08:24 AM • permalink


    1. It’s mostly to the south of me at the mo, but close. looks like it’s heading eastish… rain is getting heavier and the lightning is here, but I don’t think it’s a bad storm any more… just looked at BOM, they’ve gorn.

      Posted by kae on 2007 10 31 at 08:26 AM • permalink


    1. Ash_. I walked slowly around the room closing all the interior doors, then opened an external door onto the veranda and encouraged him to leave by poking at him with a chair. He was happy to go. We think he got in through the laundry door while the washing was being hung out that morning.
      Scary to think he had been in the house with us most of the day.
      This is what they look like. Most unattractive.

      Posted by Skeeter on 2007 10 31 at 08:28 AM • permalink


    1. I’m angry, and… and… confused!

      Even the dumbest Truther knows that here at the VRWC we have some of the finest minds in the world, working day and night, striving for excellence on a scale that has never been seen before in the history of mankind and so covert that it will never be fully understood.

      And, until recently, experimental cyborgs past and present that we’ve embedded into Australian federal politics like Gough Whitlam, Simon Crean, Mark Latham, Kim Beazley, Julia Gillard, Wayne Swan and in particular, Peter Garrett have been/are ingenious creations, perfect for our Dark Master’s Evil Purpose of humiliating the Left.

      So, who goofed up on the Roverdyne Cybertronics, Kevin v2.07™ project?

      It talks shit, like earlier models, but eerily looks so almost real that an awful lot of sun-soaked Aussies are now slammin’ down their BBQ tongs and slurpin’ koolaid in the shade!

      I’m only a very lowly minion, but this appears to be the result of either a lack of solid research into the unique Australian psyche or a serious upper echelon slip-up. Or, is there an unfathomable and despicable twist yet to be revealed? Idiots want answers!

      Posted by splice on 2007 10 31 at 08:33 AM • permalink


    1. Oh, I get it…

      Happy Halloween, everybody!

      Posted by splice on 2007 10 31 at 08:34 AM • permalink


    1. Skeeter, sounds like a good way to get him out of the house. I probably would have been a gibbering wreck upon sighting it if I was you. It’s a good thing you didn’t accidentally kick it!

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 10 31 at 08:37 AM • permalink


    1. Don’t fret Splice. The Kevin v2.07 is programmed to gradually fall to pieces between now and Nov 24.
      All will be revealed in good time.

      Posted by Skeeter on 2007 10 31 at 08:42 AM • permalink


    1. #113 so i guess dave and margaret will cream themselves over it then.

      how sick is it for the left to use a dying man to score political points- I guess it keeps the discussion off policy.

      Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 10 31 at 08:46 AM • permalink


    1. #75: Thanks for restoring perspective, wronwright. Maybe she just married him to obtain U.S. residency status.

      #43 Salty: You may find it hard to credit, but I always had you pegged as a redhead!

      Posted by paco on 2007 10 31 at 08:51 AM • permalink


    1. Skeeter….. Now that is a good snake story.What an interesting and dangerous country you Aussies have. Living here in the southern half of the U.S. I’ve had a bushel full of close encounters with deadly reptiles as well. I venture to guess that Hucbald and Yojimbo have a few too.

      Posted by greene on 2007 10 31 at 08:59 AM • permalink


    1. #122 greene. A chair is not my weapon of choice. I prefer my .410 but had to make use of what was at hand. If you take your eyes of them for a moment they vanish under the fridge or somewhere equally difficult. Besides, a .410 can be a bit messy indoors.
      He was having trouble getting traction on the ceramic floor tiles, so he was probably even more scared than I was, and very cooperative.

      Posted by Skeeter on 2007 10 31 at 09:14 AM • permalink


    1. Fear not. O Splice! (#116)

      The wheels are falling off the ALP trolley and the mumbling maroon dragging it is dropping himself in the merde every time he or his bunch of cretans (sic) open their mouths.

      Be strong, my friend. On 24 November you will hear their wailing and the lamentation of their women. (Red Kezza and David Marr).

      Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2007 10 31 at 09:16 AM • permalink


    1. Skeeter: Are those things poisonous?

      Posted by paco on 2007 10 31 at 09:42 AM • permalink


    1. #121. Paco,

      Paco, darlin’, I always credit you for your fine insights.

      P.S.  Just so you know, I don’t mean that I didn’t have a fine set of gams (before the wrinkly knees).  They just weren’t Rita Hayworth gams that came up to here.  Funny thing is, I never thought of myself as short; I have a tall ego.  ;^)

      Posted by saltydog on 2007 10 31 at 09:54 AM • permalink


    1. Very poisonous, Paco.
      From my link at #115:

      The common tiger snake is found in southern and eastern Australia. They are usually around a metre long, and have a striped marking (hence the name Tiger Snake). This is not always the case however, as the markings can change due to the seasons and the age of the snake. They can grow up to 1.5 metres in length.

      These are venomous snakes, and will attack if they are disturbed or threatened. Otherwise, they can live quietly. They are also often territorial, and will live in the same area for years. They are also found in suburban areas, even in the newer suburbs.

      One elderly women was bitten by a tiger snake while she pruned the ivy on her fence, in Kew (an inner suburb of Melbourne, in 2003). Death resulted from this bite. However this is quite rare these days, as anti venene is readily available.

      But fear not. This was the first tiger snake I’ve seen in the 21 years I have lived here.

      Posted by Skeeter on 2007 10 31 at 10:02 AM • permalink


    1. #127: These are venomous snakes, and will attack if they are disturbed or threatened. Otherwise, they can live quietly.

      Well, you’re a better man than I am. I probably would have just built a new kitchen.

      Posted by paco on 2007 10 31 at 10:11 AM • permalink


    1. They make “shake shot” cartridges for a .22, Skeeter. #10 bird shot, usually.

      Gotta be less of a mess than the .410…

      Posted by mojo on 2007 10 31 at 04:15 PM • permalink


    1. Hey, does anyone else here read the heading on this post as:


      Thanks to the dsyleixc jokes here recently I’d say.

      Posted by kae on 2007 10 31 at 05:26 PM • permalink


    1. #125 Paco

      Skeeter: Are those things poisonous?


      Posted by kae on 2007 10 31 at 05:32 PM • permalink


    1. #129 Agreed, mojo, but I find that .22 bird shot has a tendency to enrage the target rather than slow it down.
      In any case, as I am a law-abiding licensed shooter in the State of Queensland, both my .410 and .22 were at the other end of the house securely locked away.
      I don’t have the special permit needed to shoot native fauna, but I’m thinking of getting one.
      Nearly all fatal snake bites in Oz occur while someone is trying to kill the snake. You just have to be very careful not to get them cornered or cranky and they will generally go away.

      Posted by Skeeter on 2007 10 31 at 06:42 PM • permalink


  1. So you don’t need a permit to shoot non-native fauna? That’d be the “damn bloody rabbits!” exception, I take it…

    Posted by mojo on 2007 11 01 at 11:16 AM • permalink