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Academic superkids Jason, Axel and Barry deal with right-wing criticism:

A few lazy ad hominem attacks, cut and paste some ready-made phrases about ‘left-wing academics’, and voila, we have another blog post to, er, maintain the rage amongst the faithful. Whoopee. And people wonder why the conservative side of Australian politics is intellectually bankrupt?

Jason, Axel and Barry – presumably busy doing research and stuff – didn’t get around to answering some questions implied in my lazy, rage-maintaining post. Being intellectuals, and therefore open to debate, they won’t mind that those questions are submitted again:

Dear Jason, Axel and Barry,

You claim to have pointed out that “Australia’s bloggers are overwhelmingly left-of-centre”. Yet the linked piece identified no such thing, and in fact appeared not to be concerned at all with the political allegiences of Australian bloggers. Could you please indicate a specific section of that piece supporting your claim?

You claim that Australia is home to “equivalents to the left-leaning Daily Kos”. Could you please name these sites? (Note: Daily Kos attracts around one million hits per day. Proportionally, an Australian blog would be pulling in around 60,000 daily hits to be of similar local impact.)

Jason theorised that “the left-of-centre blogosphere has prospered in Australia” because “opinion pages only seem to be open to forthright conservatives”. Would Jason classify Catherine Deveny, Richard Ackland, Traceeee Hutchison, Mike Carlton, Kathy McCabe, Phillip Adams, Sue Dunleavy, Richard Glover, Jill Singer, Alan Ramsey, Kenneth Davidson, Anne Summers, Peter Hartcher, Annabel Crabb, Michael Leunig, Michelle Grattan, Tim Colebatch, Martin Flanagan and Adele Horin as “forthright conservatives”?

You claim that “Tom Switzer’s resignation as the editor of the Oz’s opinion pages” is a “clear sign” that “hard-right columnists [are] looking increasingly isolated”. How did you reach that conclusion?

Yours,

Tim

UPDATE. About Axel Bruns:

Bruns has coined the term produsage to better describe the currently paradigm shift towards user-led forms of content production which are proving to have an increasing impact on media, economy, law, social practices, and democracy itself.

And the English language, evidently.

In 2007, Bruns was a visiting scholar at the University of Leeds and Massachusetts Institute of Technology, where he further investigated the impact of produsage on democracy, citizenship, and the media.

Please reveal in comments how produsage has impacted on your own lives; try to keep entries below 1000 words.

UPDATE II. Alex tries to answer one question:

In case any of the Blairites are indeed interested in evidence for our claim that the left of the Australian blogosphere is better developed than the right, here’s a study I conducted about a year ago.

And a fine, rollicking read it is, too, if you’re into Technorati cluster-chat. No updates yet on their linking to a piece that provided none of the evidence claimed, local Kos equivalents, the conservative bias of opinion pages, or that “clear sign” of hard-right isolation. Given Alex’s alarm at being visited by “Blairites” – ie, blog readers – isn’t he looking a little isolated?

UPDATE III. “Why stop at produsage?” asks Rich Stadnik:

Bruns coitermed produsage to betscribe the curredigm shiftards usorms of contduction which areving to have an incpact on medeconolaw, soctices, and democracy itself.

That’s some quality Brunschunking there.

UPDATE IV. Huzzah! Jason favours us with a lengthy piece, answering questions and (mostly) clarifying matters. Some minor points in reply:

• Daily Kos is massively popular. It is influential within the Democratic Party, organises conferences, promotes candidates, makes a lot of money and gets a ton of press. Larvatus Prodeo is read by a couple of thousand local lefties and does nothing.

• Alexa is not a serious means of establishing readership; for a start, it is weighed towards US readers. For more accurate data, check my site stats. They’re public. Scroll down.

• Rather than speculate about why someone at The Australian resigned, why not phone them and ask? Works for me.

UPDATE V. Ken Parish makes a good point amidst many good points:

They apparently see commenters at right-leaning blogs as just a rabble of “the faithful” while the left’s audience is a “community”.

Posted by Tim B. on 02/24/2008 at 12:15 PM
    1. Jason, Axel and Barry continue to patrol the internet, in search of evidence to support their claims.

      Posted by paco on 2008 02 24 at 12:31 PM • permalink

 

    1. BTW, Tim, one of the problems with your less frequent posting is that I have trouble maintaining my rage. When you don’t post, my rage goes off the boil and gets all cold and lumpy, resulting in comments of the consistency of two-day old cream of wheat. Jaxbar is right about that.  Lean into it, Old Top. Stoke the rage!

      Posted by paco on 2008 02 24 at 12:45 PM • permalink

 

    1. Jason, Axel, and Barry are secretly delighted that you noticed them, Tim.  But they have to maintain that air of sneering insousiance, or other lefties won’t think they’re cool anymore.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2008 02 24 at 12:55 PM • permalink

 

    1. I think we can safely assume those questions are deemed “ad hominem attacks” by our Jaxbar friends, so we shouldn’t expect any answers.

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 02 24 at 12:58 PM • permalink

 

    1. Stoke the rage!

      Sounds like a good slogan for the blog, I must say.

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 02 24 at 01:00 PM • permalink

 

    1. “Bolt just follows what Blair writes”

      I know they didnt mean it this way, but I’d count that as praise.

      Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2008 02 24 at 01:03 PM • permalink

 

    1. How cute…Do they think such things up at their daily circle jerks?

      One would imagine that their inner fire of rage to all things right, gets out of hand.

      Posted by El Cid on 2008 02 24 at 01:08 PM • permalink

 

    1. #1 paco, are you trying to imply that these clowns have anything close to the wit, intelligence, and philosophical depth of The Three Stooges?

      Heresy!

      Posted by rinardman on 2008 02 24 at 01:11 PM • permalink

 

    1. Yo, Jason, Axel and Barry, explain how this might be described as “ad hominem attacks, cut and paste some ready-made phrases about ‘left-wing academics’”.

      And, of course, you might want to explain this as well.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 02 24 at 01:15 PM • permalink

 

    1. Oh, and I must say, my rage can barely be contained at having my dissent crushed by Jason, Axel and Barry.  But that likely goes hand-in-hand with being “intellectually bankrupt”.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 02 24 at 01:17 PM • permalink

 

    1. #9 T_R_JS

      Your suggestion that they sign up probably really harshed their mellow. Shame on you.

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 02 24 at 01:19 PM • permalink

 

    1. Well, I come to Blairistan for the education.  How else would I know that the conservative side of Australian politics was intellectually bankrupt.

      I think Winkem, Blinkem and Nod are undergoing their usual bout of projection.

      Posted by yojimbo on 2008 02 24 at 01:22 PM • permalink

 

    1. Taxpayer-funded projection, no less.

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 02 24 at 01:27 PM • permalink

 

    1. #8: No, no, Rinardman. I recognize that the Jaxbar is a primate much lower in the evolutionary scale than Moe, Larry and Curly. It’s just that its intellectual slapstick, which comes naturally to it, puts me in mind of the physical slapstick of the Stooges, which actually represented considerable thought and hard work.

      BTW, if the Australian right is bankrupt, when are they having the yard sale?

      Posted by paco on 2008 02 24 at 01:30 PM • permalink

 

    1. #9: Excellent points, RJ.

      Posted by paco on 2008 02 24 at 01:32 PM • permalink

 

    1. Thanks, paco.  It’s painfully obvious that Winkem, Blinkem and Nod (thanks, yojimbo!) ignored anything in Tim’s post that didn’t fit their version of reality.

      “Intellectually bankrupt” is just typical leftie projection on their part.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 02 24 at 01:41 PM • permalink

 

    1. #14 OK, paco. Just as long as you acknowledge the true (comical) genius of the Stooges, as opposed to the intellectual (comical) posing of Jaxbar.

      Posted by rinardman on 2008 02 24 at 01:46 PM • permalink

 

    1. Tim takes on the three-headed Jaxbar.

      Posted by paco on 2008 02 24 at 01:48 PM • permalink

 

    1. Re #11, even worse, Spiny, I broke the bubble on their reality, where their “dissent” was being “crushed”, and pointed out that they had only to ask.

      If Tim or Andrea said “No”, Winkem, Blinkem, and Nod have a point.  If the answer was “Yes”, they were wrong.

      Instead, they chose to ignore the suggestion.

      As I said, calling us wingnuts “intellectually bankrupt” is just typical leftie projection on their part.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 02 24 at 01:50 PM • permalink

 

    1. “I keep tryin’ ta think, but nuttin’ happens!”
      “Move over!”
      “Hey!”…

      Posted by mojo on 2008 02 24 at 02:15 PM • permalink

 

    1. #1 paco, are you trying to imply that these clowns have anything close to the wit, intelligence, and philosophical depth of The Three Stooges?

      Maybe Curly Joe DeRita, if you add them up.

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2008 02 24 at 02:44 PM • permalink

 

    1. The three stooges should check out the 2007 record of the “modest blogger” at Catallaxy before throwing more stones.

      As for the intellectual quality of left-dominated sections of academia, the rot starts at the top. [Warning that piece contains some long words so dumb right wingers should not try to read it except to impress people]. It raises the question, how can a book of essays by senior academics, supported and workshopped at the Academy for the Social Sciences read like a party political tract?

      Posted by Rafe on 2008 02 24 at 04:22 PM • permalink

 

    1. A few lazy ad hominem attacks, cut and paste some ready-made phrases about ‘left-wing academics’, and voila, we have another blog post to, er, maintain the rage amongst the faithful. Whoopee. And people wonder why the conservative side of Australian politics is intellectually bankrupt?

      Not one word of that is not a cliche.

      Posted by DaneF on 2008 02 24 at 04:25 PM • permalink

 

    1. Blair and Bolt. The one two punch of the Australian conservative flank.

      One fist of iron (Blair)
      The other of steel (Bolt)
      If the right one don’t get ya
      The left one will.

      Sung, preferably in a deep voice . Ya know, sixteen tons.

      Theme music for the left ? I’m thinking something written for Italian castrati. Or anything from Elton John.

      Posted by greene on 2008 02 24 at 05:17 PM • permalink

 

    1. Tim, you missed Steketee, quite a few who write for small place papers like Adelaide’s now appalling The Advertiser.
      The Left’s poodles get plenty of shampoos from all the Labor State operatives.

      Posted by Barrie on 2008 02 24 at 05:18 PM • permalink

 

    1. Hey, I’m just a commenter. Aren’t we supposed to make ad hominem attacks ?

      Posted by greene on 2008 02 24 at 05:22 PM • permalink

 

    1. Boyzone attacks!  Aiieeeeeee!!!!!!!

      Posted by bondo on 2008 02 24 at 06:25 PM • permalink

 

    1. I’m just lazily posting this to maintain the rage grrrsnarrlll

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2008 02 24 at 06:47 PM • permalink

 

    1. Jason, Axel and Barry – the three twinks.

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2008 02 24 at 06:48 PM • permalink

 

    1. Type slower, Tim. Maybe they’ll understand it this time.

      Posted by andycanuck on 2008 02 24 at 06:54 PM • permalink

 

    1. #22 Rafe, this posting will be of interest to all Australians and brits and anyonelse with an interest in Cricket – I’m thinking of the Peripatetic Ardent Cricket Outfielder here.

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2008 02 24 at 07:01 PM • permalink

 

    1. I dunno, I’ve been stoked up on rage for so long that it’s become boring.  Fury just puts me to sleep these days.  I rant and throw furniture to calm down before bedtime.

      Posted by Steve Skubinna on 2008 02 24 at 07:08 PM • permalink

 

    1. #22 Interesting psot, Rafe. Thankls for the “long words” warning.

      This guy Hindess is like so many academes in the “Civilizing” part of the university, commies still waging their juvenile war against eevil capitalism.

      Fortunately, they will grow old and die.

      As my ex-hippy scoialist sister in the UK says: It’s a pity that the modern youth aren’t interested in poltiical struggle anymore. Well, you reaps wot you sows. Kids today have been told by these aging hippy socialists that it is all relative man; therefore they don’t fight or care for anything.

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2008 02 24 at 07:13 PM • permalink

 

    1. This reminds me vividly of an episode in my college years, when I wrote for an independent monthly student publication that took pleasure in pointing out the blunders of the campus (state-subsidized) daily.

      At one point their editor decided to retaliate, claiming that an editorial of mine (on the mythology of heterosexual AIDS) was “so full of errors” they didn’t have space to point them all out.

      I fired off a letter suggesting they name two.

      They never ran my letter, nor did they take the challenge.

      The lesson is, state monopolies have a way of bringing the worst out in people. Next time you’re standing in line for a license or something else you can’t obtain from a non-government source, count the nasty-grams posted on the service counter. “No” this, “no” that, and almost never a please or thank-you amid the directives.

      Now count them at almost any private business, and imagine how ugly daily life must have been for people just going about their business in places like the old Soviet Union.

      Posted by Rittenhouse on 2008 02 24 at 07:36 PM • permalink

 

    1. Gatewatching academics just like to … watch

      Those that can, do, those that can’t …

      Posted by egg_ on 2008 02 24 at 07:45 PM • permalink

 

    1. Jaxbar … or Barjarse

      Posted by egg_ on 2008 02 24 at 07:58 PM • permalink

 

    1. The Left is always right.
      Even when you think the Left is not right, the Left’s right is never to be questioned.

      Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 24 at 08:16 PM • permalink

 

    1. Stop, Tim! Stop cutting and pasting those ready-made phrases!

      The phrases you posted yesterday made me go out and beat three lefties to death, and now I open your blog and there are more phrases!

      The only way I can quell my rage is to read Jaxbar. Aah, sleep…

      #23. Touché.

      Posted by arrowhead ripper on 2008 02 24 at 08:43 PM • permalink

 

    1. Axel! has been a busy boy preparing produsage.org for his upcoming book release.  Fortunately for diehard fans he left the site up just long enough for google to cache it. Takes a while to load, but oh so worth it.

      Posted by bondo on 2008 02 24 at 08:45 PM • permalink

 

    1. #39
      Jas’s last two posts have been about cybergames … he doesn’t relate to ppl?

      Posted by egg_ on 2008 02 24 at 09:29 PM • permalink

 

    1. I almost hope there’s another tax money-supported meta-grant for the purpose of investigating the psychological effects of giving deluded lefty academics free money to patrol the internet.

      Posted by PW on 2008 02 24 at 09:37 PM • permalink

 

    1. #39 Bondo: What on earth is the guy talking about? That gibberish could be anything from a revolutionary new communications concept to a recipe for stewed prunes. Hey, maybe it’s both!

      Posted by paco on 2008 02 24 at 10:08 PM • permalink

 

    1. Poor Axel. Looks like he was beat with an ugly stick. He might have wiped the chawin’ tobacco spit off his chin before they photographed him, though.

      Posted by paco on 2008 02 24 at 10:33 PM • permalink

 

    1. In case anyone’s curious about the MIT connection, I asked a friend who’s a Prof there and she doesn’t recognise the name, but here’s what he presented to a weekend MiT5 conference on “Creativity, Ownership and Collaboration in the Digital Age” which was held there.

      Don’t know how much further than that weekend conference his MIT “Visiting Scholar” thing went – hopefully Dr. Axel will expand on it for us?

      Posted by spot_the_dog on 2008 02 24 at 10:54 PM • permalink

 

    1. #44 P.S. by my friend’s count (I couldn’t be bothered), Dr.Axel used the term “produsage” over 80 times in his MiT5 talk.

      Gretchen: That is so fetch!
      Regina: Gretchen, stop trying to make fetch happen! It’s not going to happen!

      (Mean Girls, 2004 – apologies to the Blair poster who nailed that one first)

      Posted by spot_the_dog on 2008 02 24 at 11:07 PM • permalink

 

    1. Why stop at produsage?

      Bruns coitermed produsage to betscribe the curredigm shiftards usorms of contduction which areving to have an incpact on medeconolaw, soctices, and democracy itself.

      Posted by RichS on 2008 02 24 at 11:21 PM • permalink

 

    1. I think that all of Australia’s bloggers are left wing, than again I think that Tim Blair is a communist. Harden up Timbo.

      Posted by rob w on 2008 02 24 at 11:26 PM • permalink

 

    1. Produsage once affected my life for about a week when I missed the cow and struck myself in the groin.

      Posted by dean martin on 2008 02 24 at 11:39 PM • permalink

 

    1. #46 RichS
      “medeconolaw”, very nice!

      Posted by Harry Bergeron on 2008 02 24 at 11:44 PM • permalink

 

    1. 44. What is produsage? is it some sort of fetish? is it like whipusage or chainusage?

      If you wrote a book and nobody read it, would you put on your website? What do you call that anyway? Is it worstseller?

      Posted by rob w on 2008 02 25 at 12:01 AM • permalink

 

    1. Produsage affected my life.  I found it very useful as an emetic.

      #47
      In the early days of television an interviewer named Larry Spivak was interviewing the man he most hated, the segregationist Senator Theodore Bilbo from Florida.  Spivak asked Bilbo why the very conservative Republican Senator Robert Taft had called Bilbo the worst senator he had ever known in his long years in the Senate.

      “Don’t you see, Mr. Spivak?” Senator Bilbo replied, “Senator Taft is a Communist.”

      (Anecdote by William F. Buckley, Jr., from the tape of “The Buckley Roast.”)

      Posted by Michael Lonie on 2008 02 25 at 12:04 AM • permalink

 

    1. Why insult the Stooges, when you could have Musketeers
      or even Amigos ?

      Posted by Harry Bergeron on 2008 02 25 at 12:10 AM • permalink

 

    1. Produsage usage example –

      I never thought it could happen to me, but it did – I had gone to my job as a warder at the catholic teen lesbian schoolgirls prison, when two of the naughtiest of the inmates, Giselle and Veronica were wrestling and needed to be subdued with baby oil, this inevitably led to a fair bit of produsage.

      Posted by Harry Buttle on 2008 02 25 at 12:18 AM • permalink

 

    1. RichS

      Why stop at produsage?

      Bruns coitermed produsage to betscribe the curredigm shiftards usorms of contduction which areving to have an incpact on medeconolaw, soctices, and democracy itself.

      Now I have a headache. Thanks.

      :^þ

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 02 25 at 12:19 AM • permalink

 

    1. Am I the only one to think that overusage of the ‘word’ produsage is a prime example of assclownage?

      Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2008 02 25 at 12:37 AM • permalink

 

    1. #24, Greene,

      If the right one don’t get ya
      The left one will.

      Shouldn’t that be:
      If the Right one dont get ya
      The Far Right one will ?

      #31, Wimpy, Please dont do that, its WAAAY too early to start on about “behaviourism and psychoanalysis”.  I havent even had a cuppa yet.

      Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2008 02 25 at 12:38 AM • permalink

 

    1. “Produsage” hasn’t impacted my life at all, and probably never will.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 02 25 at 12:47 AM • permalink

 

    1. #55. Perhaps he is the Archbishop of Assclownage.

      Posted by rob w on 2008 02 25 at 01:11 AM • permalink

 

    1. #58

      Isn’t that AGW preacher Flannery?

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 02 25 at 01:20 AM • permalink

 

    1. Produsage is one of those herbs that yuppies snip with expensive kitchen scissors and put on their bruschetta.

      Posted by Adriane on 2008 02 25 at 01:31 AM • permalink

 

    1. #46
      Well done.
      A new type of “Marketing Speak”.

      Posted by kae on 2008 02 25 at 01:36 AM • permalink

 

    1. 10/10 to Alex for providing the evidence.

      It shows that Left-wing blogs link to other left-wing blogs very strongly, and other blogs hardly at all. They are cohesive, but that doesn’t mean strength, it means weakness. They are an echo-chamber of monoculture. Right-wing blogs tend to be more eclectic, diverse, and multi-cultural.

      Instead of showing strength in terms of driving debate, it shows ghettoisation and marginalisation. The “medium authority” diagrams, those showing mainly Australian sites rather than the usual FoxNews, CNN, BBC etc are particularly useful for showing this.

      So good marks for gathering the data Alex, but your interpretation appears to need a little work. Nonetheless, the fact that you gave a link to your evidence, thereby allowing informed critique puts you way ahead of the game, and allows a rational and informed debate to be conducted.

      Posted by Zoe Brain on 2008 02 25 at 02:54 AM • permalink

 

    1. I find contractions perfect for my lazy ad hominem attacks (or “lazahocks”).

      Axel is a foron.

      Posted by fidens on 2008 02 25 at 03:35 AM • permalink

 

    1. Sorry, that should read “truncactions”.

      Posted by fidens on 2008 02 25 at 03:47 AM • permalink

 

    1. I know neologisms, neologisms are friends of mine. “Produsage” is no neologism.

      Posted by mythusmage on 2008 02 25 at 04:44 AM • permalink

 

    1. #48
      Methinks these boys are into prodabusage …

      Posted by egg_ on 2008 02 25 at 04:46 AM • permalink

 

    1. A day in the Brownchunks office?

      Posted by egg_ on 2008 02 25 at 05:18 AM • permalink

 

    1. How has produsage affected my life?

      If I could have used one on my ex perhaps things may have turned out rather differently.

      P’raps not. He was an insensitive so and so.

      I could use one at work. Better than empty threats.

      Posted by kae on 2008 02 25 at 05:31 AM • permalink

 

    1. Bon mots as usual, Tim.  The only improvement I can suggest is rather than the sign off: “Yours, Tim” is the more pointed and deserving: “Up Yours, Tim”.

      Posted by Ubique on 2008 02 25 at 07:06 AM • permalink

 

    1. With apologies to Iowahawk: I lifted this definition of prodspewage from Whatshisface without accreditation:

      The social, collaborative basis of the content creation communities engaged in produsage also indicates this; in produsage projects, the object of the communal effort is almost always as much the development of social structures to support and sustain the shared project as it is the development of that project itself. As Eric von Hippel notes in Democratizing Innovation, the object of such produsage is not simply information, but an information commons; in its full form, the information (knowledge, creative work) prodused by the community therefore exists not in abstraction from the social contexts of its development, as a stand-alone product, but exists only as directly embedded in such contexts, as a temporary artefact of continuing social processes of developing, extending, negotiating, and evaluating this shared content. Just as we do not speak of ‘producing’ our social networks (we build, extend, maintain, improve them), in collaborative content creation much the same observation applies: here, too, content creation is an act of maintenance and construction (of both content and the social relationships among participants) at least as much as it is one of production. Most participants in content creation communities will therefore see themselves exactly as that: as participants, not as producers. Although their behaviour in these communities may be ‘productive’ as their acts of participation accumulate, for some participants this may be only a corollary to their social use of the communal spaces, and to their engagement in the community.

      It contains all my favourite buzzwords and fad phrases:

      – engagement in the community
      – collaborative
      – social structures
      – information commons
      – abstraction
      – social contexts
      – temporary artifact (???!!!)
      – social processes
      – developing, extending, negotiating and evaluating
      – social relationships
      – acts of participation accumulate
      – corrolary to their social use of the communal spaces

      Is this a long, wanky way to say:

      I have a few drinks and write stuff, and read stuff that other people have written, and they write stuff about what I have written; and we all have a laugh.

      Someone – give me a taxpayer funded grant.  Or you’ll all be $orry.

      Posted by mr creosote on 2008 02 25 at 07:07 AM • permalink

 

    1. I think I had an impacted produsage once.  The worst part wasn’t tha pain, but the disorientation.

      Posted by Steve Skubinna on 2008 02 25 at 07:09 AM • permalink

 

    1. Jason stood before the wizened, long haired and learned man before him and shouted, “If you do that again, I’m going to prod u sage”.

      Note to Jason: find yourself an editor. Preferably one who understand the term verbiage.

      Posted by Hanyu on 2008 02 25 at 09:34 AM • permalink

 

    1. As for Daily Kos’s political influence, last time I heard it was 0 wins for 20 losses.  What are the stats now?

      Elizabeth
      Imperial Keeper

      Posted by Elizabeth Imperial Keeper on 2008 02 25 at 01:50 PM • permalink

 

  1. *sigh* a day late and a dollar short, as usual, but just what is this ‘prodsausage’ thing anyway…

    Posted by Paul on 2008 02 27 at 01:10 AM • permalink