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The Age’s Russell Skelton upgrades Sheik Hilali from provocative to controversial—although in its headline, Skelton’s newspaper sensitively describes the Lakemba Meatpreacher as merely “outspoken”.

UPDATE. Age editor Andrew Jaspan disses the experts.

Posted by Tim B. on 11/01/2006 at 02:02 PM
    1. Well, I’m upgrading him to dickhead, first class.

      Posted by paco on 2006 11 01 at 02:07 PM • permalink


    1. Catmeat and Long John ought to compare notes.  Or tell war stories to each other.  Or just commiserate.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 11 01 at 02:32 PM • permalink


    1. Sure he’s not, you know… sassy?

      Posted by Don’t Bogart that Midget, Comrade! on 2006 11 01 at 03:00 PM • permalink


    1. #3: . . . or maybe “edgy”?

      Posted by paco on 2006 11 01 at 03:06 PM • permalink


    1. Around these here parts, he’s usually described as ‘traitorous scum’, not sure how that plays in the papers however.

      Posted by CB on 2006 11 01 at 03:13 PM • permalink


    1. He might be “flamboyant”.

      Posted by Don’t Bogart that Midget, Comrade! on 2006 11 01 at 03:24 PM • permalink


    1. Do cats eat uncovered meat if they’re wet?

      Posted by 2dogs on 2006 11 01 at 03:49 PM • permalink


    1. Wonder how the BBC would describe him?

      Interesting piece on BBC bias.

      Posted by Rafe on 2006 11 01 at 04:04 PM • permalink


    1. PS for foreigners, we have an Australian Broadcasting Commission established on the same lines as the BBC, though I don’t know if our management ever insisted that the radio newsreaders had to wear dress suits as required under Lord Reith.
      The ABC is one of the places where there are people who claim that they don’t know a single person in their circle of associates (in and out of work) who would consider voting for the current PM and his Liberal Party (or the National/country party) which makes up the governing coalition. Quite likely it is the same at The Age. Under these conditions certain kinds of bias are visceral and practically hard wired.

      Posted by Rafe on 2006 11 01 at 04:08 PM • permalink


    1. First we have “outspoken” Australian actor/director Mel Gibson.

      Now we have oustpoken Aussie catmeat cleric.

      What’s in the water down there?

      Posted by SoCalJustice on 2006 11 01 at 04:13 PM • permalink


    1. #10

      First we have “outspoken” Australian actor/director Mel Gibson.

      Now we have oustpoken Aussie catmeat cleric.

      What’s in the water down there?

      Fluoride, which is why my children have perfect teeth.  But I wouldn’t put it down to that.

      Posted by Wand on 2006 11 01 at 04:24 PM • permalink


    1. Last bit of news I heard about shake and stir, was a couple of days ago. The media was informed that the old boy didn’t mean that all women were meat….“he was referring only to muslim women”!

      Another pearler! Maybe he should cut a CD?

      Posted by Lofty on 2006 11 01 at 04:30 PM • permalink


    1. The Left has lots of positive-sounding adjectives and adverbs it uses as lipstick for its various pigs.  Transgressive, unorthodox . . .

      Posted by cosmo on 2006 11 01 at 04:50 PM • permalink


    1. It’s actually a demotion.

      The Western left is getting confused, trying to side with someone who hates the West more than they do.

      Posted by Rittenhouse on 2006 11 01 at 05:11 PM • permalink


    1. Sorry—meant to link to this post.

      Posted by Rittenhouse on 2006 11 01 at 05:13 PM • permalink


    1. Do they have Thesaurussssesess in newsrooms these days?  Dictionaries?  Brains?

      Posted by saltydog on 2006 11 01 at 05:59 PM • permalink


    1. It defies parody. Rabiyah Hutchison, one of the auslims arrest in Yemen, is a hippie from Nimbin.

      Originally from the central-west NSW town of Mudgee, Ms Hutchison was a fun-loving girl (ie screwed around) who followed the hippie trail to Bali in the early eighties on a holiday that changed her life.

      She embraced religion in an enthusiastic way, first marrying a Hindu and giving birth to her daughter and later marrying the radical Muslim Ayub, who was sent to Australia to set up Jemaah Islamiah’s terror cell known as Mantiki 4.

      People who knew her in the late 1990s when she was living in Sydney described her as a nice, devout Muslim woman trying to raise her children properly in a marriage that had disintegrated because her husband was not treating her properly (a polite way of saying he beat the crap out of her).

      But Ms Hutchison, now in her 40s, was also known for her zealousness and her desire to fight jihad in Afghanistan.

      Journalist Sally Neighbour, in her book In the Shadow of Swords, describes Rabiyah as the outgoing adventurous type, a “Nimbin” girl who went to Bali and loved it so much she stayed (all that cheap dope no doubt).

      She married and had a daughter but then abandoned the Hindu lifestyle, left her husband and became a strict Muslim.

      She moved from Bali to the Indonesian island of Java with her young daughter and joined a religious study group run by JI founder Abdullah Sungkar, and began wearing a full burka.

      Despite having several suitors, she chose to marry one of Sungkar’s followers, Ayub, in Solo in 1984, and came to Australia in 1985 with her new husband. They moved around the country, living in the Northern Territory, Victoria, NSW and Tasmania.

      Read it Here.

      Posted by walterplinge on 2006 11 01 at 06:06 PM • permalink


    1. I suggest the paper gets good insurance:  just rename itself The Age of Islam

      Posted by Barrie on 2006 11 01 at 06:22 PM • permalink


    1. What’s Hilali’s next move?

      Is he now going to concentrate full-time on promoting the Gold Coast and Surfers Paradise?

      Posted by Henry boy on 2006 11 01 at 07:07 PM • permalink


    1. When all the overseas newspapers were trying to come up with an adjective for Palestinian (convicted murderer) Marwan Barghouti, they settled on Firebrand.

      No doubt local media will go through a similar thesaurus search looking for something, anything to describe Hilaly other than “mysogynist anti-semite terrorist prick” which just doesn’t have the same… nuance.

      Posted by Dan Lewis on 2006 11 01 at 07:45 PM • permalink


    1. Apparantly, the matter is now ‘closed;:

      MUSLIM community groups came together today to call for an end to “overblown” public scrutiny of Sheik Taj al-Din al-Hilaly’s comments on sexual attacks.

      They accused the media and politicians of using the scandal surrounding the mufti to vilify Muslims.

      Posted by Nic on 2006 11 01 at 07:56 PM • permalink


    1. The Age’s Russ Skelton refers in his p3 piece today to “Sheikh Hilaly’s recent comments about scantily dressed women being like raw meat…”
      In fact, the sermon transcript shows that the Sheikh thinks any woman who fails to wear a hijab and who leaves her house, is inviting rape. So where does Skelton get this “scantily dressed” bit?
      Hilaly only refers to a “short dress”, wearing of make-up, and smiling and talking to men. (His weird stuff about lifting the dress and lowering it down seems to be self-cancelling). Would Skelton view his wife Virginia Trioli as “scantily dressed” if she does not wear the hijab ?
      By using this “scantily dressed” line, Skelton is apeing the Leunig line about (mythical) bikini-clad women going on the last train at midnight—in other words, Skelton suggests Hilaly is appealling slightly to common-sense. Skelton should have summarised Hilali’s comments thusly—-’ non-hijab-wearing women being like raw meat.’

      Posted by percypup on 2006 11 01 at 08:09 PM • permalink


    1. ot islamic finance blog

      Posted by KK on 2006 11 01 at 08:19 PM • permalink


    1. O/T the ABC’s grey bubblehead on Lateline gives a good interview.

      Could it be Tony jone’s lefty bubble is weakening?

      “TONY JONES: I took your advice, Martin Amis, in the essay. I Googled the words “al-Sistani” and “sex” and I found there were 170,000 entries. Now, for anyone who is uncertain of who we are talking about, we should state that Ayatollah al-Sistani is the most powerful Shiah Muslim cleric in Iraq. The most recent entries – – –

      MARTIN AMIS: He’s also – he’s almost the most – – –

      TONY JONES: Let me finish. The most recent entries talk about an online Fatwa, in which he calls for the killings of lesbians or gay men in the worst, most severe way possible. The trouble is, of course, is that al-Sistani is the moderate ayatollah, whom the west is banking on.”

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 11 01 at 08:19 PM • permalink


    1. Sheik Halali,

      You might be asking the media to shut up on the issue, along with the 35 other village idiots, however, as Western women we will not SHUT Up on the issue of covered meat!

      Your women might be used to Shuting up within your collective cult religon, however you will never tell us to shut up within our beloved Australia you sexist pig!

      Posted by 1.618 on 2006 11 01 at 08:19 PM • permalink


    1. Oh al-Sistani, like most Shia clerics, also supports the abominable practice of sigheh.
      Note that children are not excluded (after all Sunni or Shia, Mo married a 6 year old, consummated the marriage when she was 9 – described in one hadith in a way that indicates it was rape)

      Posted by saint on 2006 11 01 at 08:28 PM • permalink


    1. saint

      Thanks for that link, I had heard of it but wasnt aware of how “mainstream” it was.

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 11 01 at 08:38 PM • permalink


    1. #16 Saltydog, again !!

      Surely it’s THESAURII?

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 11 01 at 09:18 PM • permalink


    1. #17 OK This girl was used by the muslim man to get into Australia. Marrying a local is the most direct route.

      And then she was having trouble being abused by the muslim man in a muslim marriage. Hello?? Wakey wakey. This is the muslim way. Where are the feministis?

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 11 01 at 09:21 PM • permalink


    1. #26 A very informative piece you pointed us to Saint. Thanks.

      I prefer the old fashioned, but honest, capitalist approach. I apy, she provides and we both walk away fullfilled. Whta bullshit they go through to (a) hide the fact and (b) keep the woman subserviant.

      I puke.

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 11 01 at 09:33 PM • permalink


    1. News Ltd. blogs, including The Australian and Andrew Bolt, are down for maintenance.

      Comments for The Australian take hours to be moderated (if at all) and are sometimes not even available.

      Their foray into blogging is amateurish.

      Posted by Dan Lewis on 2006 11 01 at 09:59 PM • permalink


    1. Where are the feministis?

      #29, they’re siding with the Islamo-facists. There’s a letter from a woman from the Australian Democrats standing up for the catmeat sheik:

      link here (the letters page doesn’t seem to be working at the moment)

      Posted by Art Vandelay on 2006 11 01 at 10:00 PM • permalink


    1. Hilali’s yesterday’s man.  Now we’re gettin’ jiggy with Sheik Shady. Uh-huh.

      Posted by slammer on 2006 11 01 at 10:03 PM • permalink


    1. ‘Provocative’. ‘Outspoken’. Why bother with these euphemisms?
      I don’t deny that ‘raving medieval fuckhead’ takes up more space, but still.

      Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 11 01 at 10:11 PM • permalink


    1. Now sheik says do not stir. No to protest.

      Posted by stackja1945 on 2006 11 01 at 10:26 PM • permalink


    1. #21

      MUSLIM community groups came together today to call for an end to “overblown” public scrutiny of Sheik Taj al-Din al-Hilaly’s comments on sexual attacks.

      Or what?

      Posted by Dan Lewis on 2006 11 01 at 10:33 PM • permalink


    1. Wrong link in the update?

      Posted by ilibcc on 2006 11 01 at 10:34 PM • permalink


    1. It worked for me.

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 11 01 at 10:54 PM • permalink


    1. Meat – I mean, me too.

      Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 11 01 at 10:59 PM • permalink


    1. Sheik not stir again

      2GB Macquarie National News   
      Mufti cancels planned show of support
      Thursday, 02 November 2006
      The Mufti of Australia, Sheik Taj al-Hilali, has called off this weekend’s rally at Lakemba mosque.
      Supporters of the Sheik were planning a rally this weekend, while 34 Islamic groups have expressed their support for the embattled Mufti.
      But speaking on community radio, the Mufti says due to safety it can not go ahead.

      They will now only pray on Friday.
      Trad jazz wants more stir.

      Posted by stackja1945 on 2006 11 01 at 11:08 PM • permalink


    1. A rally: To call together for a common purpose; assemble: rally troops at a parade ground.

      Was this going to be by the Covered flock a “political Islamic agenda” or “religious agenda” Rally for the Australian uncovered public?

      or was it going to be a protest?

      An individual or collective gesture or display of disapproval. (35 dumb dumbs)

      Oh it’s Friday and that means “Rabbit pie day” song tomorrow, so get your singing voices out for Blair’s sing song hour!
      Blair News has gutsy reporters, Blair news today at 5!

      Posted by 1.618 on 2006 11 02 at 12:24 AM • permalink


    1. Excellent opinion piece from Chris Hurford Silver lining to Hilaly furore

      Posted by burrah on 2006 11 02 at 12:48 AM • permalink


    1. Looks like we are getting a new Sheik. Seems pretty moderate, except I’ve got a suspicion he doesn’t like Blair

      Posted by burrah on 2006 11 02 at 01:08 AM • permalink


    1. #36, Dan Lewis:  “Or what?”


      They were going to have a rally supporting ol’ catmeat, huh.  So much for the “moderate” Muslims being upset with him for his stupidity.  It was obviously only stupid of him to speak the way he did where the infidels might hear what and how these people actually think.

      If they all want to band together no matter what evil is spewed in their name, they can all pay the same consequence as any radical among them.  Innocent?  Hijacked religion?  My ass.

      Posted by saltydog on 2006 11 02 at 01:17 AM • permalink


    1. #43 – Speaks better English, than the last one. Got to respect the “Camel Clutch” too.

      Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 11 02 at 01:21 AM • permalink


    1. Evidently Andrew Jaspan is a grumpy old man in an unhappy marriage who is really nasty to his own kids. (God, I’m a gossip, but I did hear it from the inside).

      I’ve a suggestion for him: Send the idiot Leunig on a pilgrimage to far north QLD in search of extinct geese.

      Posted by daphne on 2006 11 02 at 02:41 AM • permalink


    1. The ABC should give Sheik Taj al-Hilali his own reality show and The Age should give the Sheik his own column.

      And Malcom Fraser, what a frigging turd. He has attacked the government saying it is anti-Muslim and encouraging non-tolerance. Hey, Malcom you closet woman-hater. Read the Koran you fool.

      Posted by daphne on 2006 11 02 at 02:49 AM • permalink


    1. #26 & #27

      It’s true that Mohammed married Aisha when she was 6 and raped her when she was 9.

      Islamic scholars have studied Aisha’s documents and she herself wrote that the old man, Mohammed, had intercourse with her when she was 9-years-old. In other words there are written records that Islamists themselves agree with.

      It is a sick, sick, sick religion. Or more specifically, it is a cult.

      Posted by daphne on 2006 11 02 at 02:55 AM • permalink


    1. #27, #30 – it’s a shia practice (although sheik and friends are sunni) but be warned, shia are recruiting sunni to their side (Iran wooing the Palestinians)

      The idea of marrying a very young girl of course is not limited to sunni and shia. You would all remember the forced overseas marriages which lead government to change the law.

      Posted by saint on 2006 11 02 at 03:05 AM • permalink


    1. Provocative, controversial, outspoken and don’t forget ‘defiant’.

      Posted by Inurbanus on 2006 11 02 at 04:37 AM • permalink


    1. #47 Fraser would if he had time. But he is too busy telling Bobby (Mugabe) just how wonderful he is.

      Posted by curious george on 2006 11 02 at 05:45 AM • permalink


    1. Hilaly only refers to a “short dress”, wearing of make-up, and smiling and talking to men. (His weird stuff about lifting the dress and lowering it down seems to be self-cancelling).

      I took the “lifting the dress and lowering it down” comment to refer to short skirts and low necklines.

      Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 11 02 at 06:38 AM • permalink


    1. don’t count on it.  the mob doesn’t need Shaka Hillbilly to amass and turn angry.  let’s just see what happens after friday prayers.

      Posted by murph on 2006 11 02 at 08:52 AM • permalink


    1. Is it provocative to go to colesonline or greengrocer.com and order a few tins of Whiskers and then have them delivered to the Lakemba mosque?

      Just wondering…..

      Posted by mr creosote on 2006 11 02 at 09:01 AM • permalink


    1. Bugger.

      Greengrocer doesn’t do catfood.

      Posted by mr creosote on 2006 11 02 at 09:02 AM • permalink


    1. It’s Friday! It’s sing song day! Grab your mike and sing along to the song!

      It’s Islamic pie day song time!!!

      On the farm, the sheik is resting
      Cause there’s no, Islamic protesting
      So, every Friday that ever comes along,
      The sheik gets up early to sing this little song

      Run woman – run woman – Run! Run! Run!
      Don’t let the sheik have his fun! Fun! Fun!
      I’ll get by cause I enjoy my “covered” pies
      so run sheikee, run sheikeee, run run run

      Run woman – run woman – Run! Run! Run!
      Run woman – run woman – Run! Run! Run!
      Meat! meat! Meat! Meat!
      Says the islamic dumb dumb sheik.
      Run, woman, run, woman, run run run.

      Posted by 1.618 on 2006 11 02 at 06:17 PM • permalink


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