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Melbourne’s Bureau of Meteorology National Operations Centre manager Mike Bergin, discussing post-tsunami effects with the ABC’s Alison Caldwell, sets our minds at ease about rising sea levels:

MIKE BERGIN: At this stage we’re reasonably sure of height increases in the ocean of around 30 centimetres on the North Queensland coast. No doubt over the next couple of days we’ll, as reports come in, we’ll be able to get a better handle on that, but at the moment we’re confident that we saw a height rises around 30 centimetres.

ALISON CALDWELL: Which is nothing really to be too concerned about.

MIKE BERGIN: No, not a great deal.

(Via Paul Wright)

Posted by Tim B. on 04/03/2007 at 09:40 AM
    1. No, 30cm is nothing to be concerned about. Unless it’s caused by GLOWBALL WARMING in which case we better run for our lives. Espicially if said warming is caused by a rise of atmospheric CO2 from 0.058% to 0.075%.

      Posted by Observer on 2007 04 03 at 10:02 AM • permalink


    1. If it’s caused by Global Warming, [hysteria]We’re All Going To Die!!![/hysteria]

      After all, when I’m at the beach, I hate it when the water goes all the way to my shins.

      If I get wet all over, no doubt it’s not just because of global warming on Earth, but also Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. All caused by humans. Repent your sins!

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 04 03 at 10:11 AM • permalink


    1. Hmm ABC -Any youse catch Question of Diff last night which starred Ant Lowesteem as himself, slackjawed and noticeably badly dressed compared to Mr Tanweer,M.S Shakira and Jim someone, ex SAS and Christian. Presenter Jeff allus looks like he’s wearing suits from the sixties.
      Ant was the token Jew, he kept telling us he represented them and babbled on incessantly about Palestine and interfaith dialogue while the others just got on with it and pretended he wasn’t with them.

      Posted by crash on 2007 04 03 at 10:12 AM • permalink


    1. The last wave will dump all that sewage Gaiea’s been wearing back into Sydneysiders’ laps..

      Posted by crash on 2007 04 03 at 10:16 AM • permalink


    1. Every week or so a sou-easterly change moves through my part of the coast, pushing the sea up to 2-3m on a 1m-2m swell. Not to mention 5m-8m storm swells a couple of times a year that close our deep-water port. Threats of a Solomons tsunami didn’t cause a blink here, especially at a piddling couple of centimetres.

      Global warming must be responsible for the non-tsunami.

      Posted by mareeS on 2007 04 03 at 10:16 AM • permalink


    1. It’s just lefty value theory. Just like throwing more money at a project makes the result more worthwhile than throwing around less money for the same result would do, it’s quite evident that a 30 cm rise in sea levels produced over one century is much more worrisome than the same rise being produced during one day.

      Posted by PW on 2007 04 03 at 10:29 AM • permalink


    1. They’ve been carping about ocean levels for decades now. Has there been any rise at all?

      Posted by Merlin on 2007 04 03 at 10:42 AM • permalink


    1. This is majorly off topic, but I place myself at the feet of the Blairites.

      My niece, at the ripe old age of 5, has heard at school that if she isn’t tiny, she’ll die of a heart attack. Which isn’t true, but since her great-uncle has just had a heart attack (at the old age of 39), it has hit home for her. So now she’s terrified that she’s too fat and will have a heart attack and will die, and is therefore afraid to eat her dinner. Which usually consists of meat and three or more vegetables. Does anyone know what I can tell her?

      And please, try to remember, I am an Australian size four. I eat and eat, and cannot gain weight, so I don’t want to seem like a hypocrite either. But the theory is that I’m the only person she’ll listen to, because I raised her from when she was six months to the day before her fourth birthday.

      But saying Auntie Ash stuffs her face with mud cake at every chance isn’t good either. Because Auntie Ash shouldn’t eat mud cake all the time either. But mud cake is tasty.

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 04 03 at 11:03 AM • permalink


    1. I don’t know about yall, but I can definitely say that all this post-tsunami effects discussion isn’t giving me any noticeable rise. Perhaps if it were presented by Julia Allison…

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2007 04 03 at 11:07 AM • permalink


    1. Tsunamis are caused by glogal warming.

      (I did a perview but decide glogal looked just fine).

      How many times have we heard our ecofascist buddies tell us that we can expect increases in

      floods, fire, famine, drought, enormous rises of sea level, extinction of most species, tsunamis, eathquakes, volcanoes, asteroid strikes, plagues and pestilence, alien invasions, rickets, scurvy and beri beri, malaria, poofterism, rugby and any other malevolent occurrences one can think of.

      All of it due to glogal warning

      Posted by Jack from Montreal on 2007 04 03 at 11:08 AM • permalink


    1. Come to think of it, if we’re all going to die as a result of glogal warning, it seems to me that the whole process has an inbuilt self-adjustment/restoration mechanism.

      So why the fuck worry?

      Posted by Jack from Montreal on 2007 04 03 at 11:11 AM • permalink


    1. 30 cm (86 degrees Fahrenheit) is about what it will be here today.

      Posted by rhhardin on 2007 04 03 at 11:32 AM • permalink


    1. #10, Jack, glogal varning looks better, more europeanly cosmopolitan in an artistic sense. Don’t you think it makes a better tsunami?

      Posted by mareeS on 2007 04 03 at 11:40 AM • permalink


    1. Ah, but the 30-centimeter rise is only harmless if it happens fast enough so that you notice it and run away. If you spread it over a century that makes it stealthy and it’s just like that boiling-frog thing where you don’t notice it happening and you drown. Or rather, your grandkids drown. If they’re born there on the beach, I mean.

      Posted by Paul Zrimsek on 2007 04 03 at 12:23 PM • permalink


    1. Ash, continuing your OT, I’ve had problems like this with my 3 boys, all of whom are athletes, and each of whom has worried that he was too fat.  (My 11yo wears a size 10 slim, with a belt.)

      I tell them that their bodies are growing right now, and that they need food to fuel that.  We talk about nutrition, that vegetables provide vitamins and fiber that keep you healthy, that meat provides protein that builds muscles, and that fat protects your organs and carries certain vitamins that your body needs to grow, and you can’t get them if you don’t eat.

      I emphasize that he can choose healthier foods, so the kid feels like he has some control.  And I tell him that not eating at all is a very bad choice.

      A 5 yo can understand all that.  (I don’t know about girls, but boys universally love talking about the benefits of fiber, and I can usually get them to eat plenty of whole-wheat bread and fruit, if we’ve talked about poop in the days previous.)

      Posted by VKI on 2007 04 03 at 12:24 PM • permalink


    1. #8 and 15

      Not having kids myself I’m hardly an authority on the matter, but you could always try telling the younglings that if they don’t eat enough to grow up big and strong they’ll never be able to beat the shit out of their teachers for traumatising them so badly.

      I don’t mean to trivialise the issue – this kind of grossly irresponsible approach to edumacation makes me genuinely angry.

      Posted by Don Charleone on 2007 04 03 at 01:02 PM • permalink


    1. #15, would you believe that I already tried that approach?

      I am supposed to give birth to my first on September 8, but I’m still kind of scared. Mostly scared that the approach my children should be taking (eating properly, taking responsibility, etc) is being usurped by people who have no idea.

      I hate the idea that someone would teach my children, or children in my care, something as irresponsible as “Don’t eat, you’ll get sick if you do”.

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 04 03 at 01:11 PM • permalink


    1. #7.  Merlin, no rise discernable over the past 60 years according to Singapore Harbourmaster and a global consensus among hydrographers.

      And they should know.

      Posted by Olrence on 2007 04 03 at 01:14 PM • permalink


    1. #8.  Ash.  The hard part is how to explain the many heart attacks among the emaciated.

      There’s such a lot of hogwash being disseminated in schools nowadays.  Like the ‘Reefer Madness’ schtick of the fifties (that I’ve heard about), over-dramatised warnings that leaved observed reality behind in an effort to preach are quickly rumbled as nonsense.  Like the instantaneously lethal cigarettes my kids were taught about, with graphic images of smokers in their 20’s dropping dead on the beach immediately onlighting up.

      I volunteer to help out in my young fella’s school tuck shop every couple of months, and the wanton interferance in product choices from bloody harpies in parent-teacher councils would drive one to drink.  Show me a 10 year-old boy who’ll choose a salad sandwich (wholemeal) over a cheeseburger, and I’ll show you a cowed, pantywaist child of a strident harridan.

      All the best with your forthcoming blessed event.

      Posted by Olrence on 2007 04 03 at 01:32 PM • permalink


    1. #19, Gotta tell ya Olrence, I was never as scared about my health as I have been after I found out I’m pregnant.

      No kid will choose a salad sandwich over a cheeseburger or meat pie. However, I will strictly control the evening meal to balance it! I’m just appaled that my sweet, five year old niece, thinks she’s fat because some other kid told her that she is.

      Thanks for your good wishes! I can’t wait, myself. I’m ecstatic over the whole situation.

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 04 03 at 01:44 PM • permalink


    1. Blessings on you and the wee Ashling!

      (Salad sandwich?  Sounds ghastly – give me the cheeseburger and remind me about the benefits of sweet, sweet protein!)

      Posted by VKI on 2007 04 03 at 03:09 PM • permalink


    1. I’ve seen or read about seiches that caused a larger rise than 30 cm (12 inches for the modern world).

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 04 03 at 05:20 PM • permalink


    1. Ash_
      Perhaps you should have a word with the teacher/school about this and good information – I’m sure that they must do something about What We Eat.

      Tsunami in Australia on Monday? Feh. 5 inches.

      I laugh at the tsunami.

      But didn’t the ABC Radio Journalist get a bollocking from Dr Karl Kru-wheelbarrow when he found out she went to the BEACH to check out the tsunami. Good thing it was only a little one.

      My earlier spray on the Monday tsunami.

      Posted by kae on 2007 04 03 at 06:02 PM • permalink


    1. I’ve seen the pics of flooded villages in the Solomon Islands and a tsunami wouldn’t cause this. In a tsunami the wave(s) come and go and the sealevel is where it was before. I suspect the land surface has dropped, fairly common in a subduction quake.

      More ignorant disinformation brought to by the dismal media.

      Ash, my advice FWIIW, is no caffeinated/carbonated drinks at all. Forget about limiting a kid’s juice intake, thats bollocks, and no lollies. My daughter didn’t know what lollies were until she was given some by parents at her daycare. And never ever use food or drink of any kind as a punishment or reward.

      Posted by phil_b on 2007 04 03 at 06:08 PM • permalink


    1. And please, try to remember, I am an Australian size four. I eat and eat, and cannot gain weight

      My wife wants you to know that she hates you, Ash.

      Posted by Dave S. on 2007 04 03 at 06:13 PM • permalink


    1. I think Ash’s problem is indicative that adults just don’t know how kids think. They simplify everything. You can’t nuance a message to a kid under 10. That’s why sensible adults try to avoid filling their kids with adult concerns. If its any consolation Ash I’ve found kids might be worried by something for a while but they’re generally pretty resilient and the wory drops off (unless bloody teachers keep reinforcing it)

      Posted by Francis H on 2007 04 03 at 06:18 PM • permalink


    1. oops badly written. I meant that kids, when hearing information, simplify everything.

      Posted by Francis H on 2007 04 03 at 06:19 PM • permalink


    1. Congratulations, Ash! Although you won’t be size four much longer, I’m afraid.

      Condolences, too, on the loss of a relative. I’ll try to keep this short, but a few points here may or may not be of help:
      – young men or women dying of “heart attack” may not have had a coronary blockage at all, but something else such as cardiac arrhythmia, which is not related to food intake or body weight whatsoever. (Or did he perhaps have another predisposition, like type 1 diabetes?)
      – weight and family history (especially in second/third degree relatives) are both “weak” risk factors for heart attack.
      – healthy weight is the only way to go. Too thin is usually even worse than too fat.
      – yep, keep it simple, I suppose. Logic and abstract reasoning don’t kick in until adolescence, if they do at all. My first is only six months old, so maybe I’ll have to get back to you on this in a few years. I dread, too, how to handle the guff they might preach to him at school. Then again, I chose my own way in the end, so if he has any smarts, he will too. So long as they’re happy 😉

      Posted by Dminor on 2007 04 03 at 06:47 PM • permalink


    1. Sending lots of wellwishes your way, Ash_.

      Regarding your niece and her problem with food, perhaps a trip to the gp to talk about it. Since none of the other authority figures appear to be any use (present company excepted, of course), your doctor would be better equipped to explain things to her at a 5yo’s level.

      That’s the way I’ll be doing it when I end up with this crapola. And it will happen – I’m already getting lectured about droughts, and how coke is bad for your teeth, so she won’t drink it.

      I agree with Phil_b about using food and drink as a reward – kids aren’t pets and they’ll find a way to beat you to death with that club.

      We don’t have lollies in the house very often, but I am somewhat addicted to chocolate so there’s usually some of that lying around.

      And don’t stress too much on your health while pregnant. Everyone else will do that for you in strident, shrill tones.

      If you were to spend your pregnancy the way the ‘experts’ think you should, you’ll sit in the corner in the foetal position rocking and sucking your thumb.

      Oh, and not eating, either, because everything is harmful.

      It shat me when I was expecting, and it still does today.

      Remember: your body is a wonderful machine and it knows what it is supposed to do. Women are actually designed to grow babies inside them.

      Enjoy your pregnancy, and listen to your quack/ob.

      Ignore the pregnancy nazis. They are everywhere and will just drag you down.

      Just enjoy this time. It’s a miracle and can be a lot of fun if you let it.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 04 03 at 08:03 PM • permalink


    1. /lecture mode off

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 04 03 at 08:03 PM • permalink


    1. A couple of weeks back the ABC Foreign Correspondent weekly TV documentary showed a story about the East New Guinea Carteret Island sinking under rising sea levels and that there was no doubt among any of the residents that this was due to you-know-what. This devastation was portrayed as the result of the CO2 emissions of indulgent western life styles and that “we” bear the responsibility for these innocent island dwellers becoming “eco-refugees”.

      At the time my sixteen year suggested that this was more likely due to geological factors than rising sea level, which is encouraging and maybe says something about the quality of school education. But don’t rely on the media to propagate any awareness of reality and certainly not news-you-can-use.

      Two weeks later this region of the Solomon Sea experienced the real cause of the rising sea level, resulting in some real death and destruction. It seems to me a little less global warming hysteria and a little more awareness of plate tectonics would help. Maybe these people would be better served by less focus on carbon emission reduction and more on a tsunami alert system.

      Posted by John Kane on 2007 04 03 at 10:45 PM • permalink


    1. I was in Los Angeles and experienced an earthquake 4, I thought it was my X getting frisky it was tectonic turbulence, lucky I had a bathrobe and ran out to find it was the real thing.. yeah sure!

      Posted by 1.618 on 2007 04 03 at 10:52 PM • permalink


    1. Thanks everyone. Nilk, you’re right. The Pregnancy Nazis are everywhere, and none as bad as the other half.

      Dave S, I feel the love.

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 04 03 at 10:53 PM • permalink


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