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ABC science goblin Robyn Williams believes it is possible for the seas to rise by 100 metres over the next century.
Glaciologist Nikolai Osokin disagrees.
- If a couple of fatties like David Hicks and Michael Moore took a swim in the Pacific at the same time sea levels may raise to a level Williams is talking about. Hardly a result of CO2 emissions though!Posted by Hank Reardon on 2007 03 28 at 02:27 AM • permalink
- No! You FOOLS! Don’t you SEE!
If the Algore Effect continues to expand its influence, it will begin to pull down asteroids of ice from the rings of Saturn, simultaneously flooding and freezing the earth! ALL the climate doom prophecies will be fulfilled!
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 03 28 at 02:32 AM • permalink
- Friggin’ ignoramus can go find some other religion as far as I’m concerned.
What would a glazier know anyway – I bet he’s being paid off by big oil.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 03 28 at 02:36 AM • permalink
- #3 – Guantanamo wasn’t actually on a bay until David Hicks arrived.Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 03 28 at 02:40 AM • permalink
- #5. Habib.
I think the world is safe from that unless krill now come in pizza, burger or jelly doughnut flavours.Posted by Hank Reardon on 2007 03 28 at 02:40 AM • permalink
- Fairly OT (unless any of the Texans in the comment threads fear being assaulted in their cars or offices by sea levels)
Texas gets Stand Your Ground Laws extended to cars & offices. Not that carjackings were skyrocketing in Dallas before, but be sure you smile whilst tail-gating and exchanging unidigital salutes, y’all. Drive Texas Friendly!
I may need to celebrate by buying a new gun. You Ozzies should too. Oh, wait…
- Now, back on topic. 100 meters is ridiculous. That’s like Dr. Evil asking for 100 BILLION 1960 dollars. Tokyo Rose would blush before telling such a blantant lie. The math on a 100 meter rise is ridiculous. The numbers don’t make sense. You’d have to melt everything. Siberia would be paradise. The Bridge To Nowhere in Alaksa would be a Bridge to a Tropical Resort.
- It’s a pity Williams has gone over to the dark side. A decade ago he was one of the ABC’s better journalists – always a bit of a lefty but tolerable. Once that AGW goblin get you in its grip you’re a gonna, even if you’re a scientist.
His CV—
Although he graduated with a Bachelor of Science (Honours) in England, Robyn admits to spending as much time acting as studying. Early in his career he made guest appearances in The Goodies, Monty Python’s Flying Circus and Dr Who and stood in for Tom Jones for four months in his TV series. [snip]
Outside the ABC, Robyn has served in various capacities, including President of the Australian Museum Trust, Chairman of the Commission for the Future, and President of the Australian Science Communicators. In 1987, he was proclaimed a National Living Treasure.
In 1993, Robyn was the first journalist elected as a Fellow Member of the Australian Academy of Science. He was appointed AM in the 1988 Australian Bicentenary honours list and in the same year received Honorary Doctorates in Science from the University of Sydney and Macquarie and Deakin Universities. The ANU awarded him a Doctorate of Law, and he is a Visiting Professor at the University of NSW and an Adjunct Professor at the University of Queensland.
A Reuters Fellowship at Oxford University allowed him time to write his autobiography, And Now for Something Completely Different. He was a Visiting Fellow at Balliol College Oxford in 1995-96.
I think we can see the problem: he’s been designated a “National Living Treasure” and was on the risible Commission for the Future, along with Phat Phil and motor-mouth Barry Jones. That is, he’s lefties’ lefty.
Posted by walterplinge on 2007 03 28 at 03:14 AM • permalink
- As the membership director of the Ayers Rock Yacht Club I cordially invite all of the commentor’s here to our inaugural membership night to be held this Friday.
Your seaplanes can be moored at the southern end of the rock. Please be aware that although reduced in numbers, dingo’s are still active in the area.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 03 28 at 03:14 AM • permalink
- Williams is just another climate change carpetbagger, seeking to turn alarm into a fist full of dollars. He is a qualified scientist yet prefers to make outrageous claims not based on any proper science. If he was a doctor, he would be struck off. Williams admits he spent time acting when he should have been studying, appearing in Monty Python’s Flying Circus (he was the halibut in the Fish-Slapping Dance” sketch). This lack of application shows.
- on the science show site Robyn recommends (but doesn’t link to ) this piece of of doom-mongering
the second half in particular waxes biblical in its armageddony doomsaying
And don’t think you’re going to escape rising sea levels by getting up high-yea the very mountains will crumbleth into nothing in the face of the warmening
Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 03 28 at 03:26 AM • permalink
- Numbers don’t matter don’t matter don’t matter anymore. There is no Truth. There is only the higher truth of feelings, feelings that tell me what I feel is true. WOHWOHWOH FEELINGS!Wohwohwoh feeeeelings…sorry.Posted by dean martin on 2007 03 28 at 03:27 AM • permalink
- So that’s an 8.3 centimetre (3.2 inch) rise every month.
How can it be possible that anybody believes this shit?Posted by Hank Reardon on 2007 03 28 at 03:46 AM • permalink
- Historical changes in sea level on ABC Radio National’s Science Show:
Jonathan Overpeck: The sea levels on geologic time scales have been about 100 metres higher than today, when we didn’t have the big ice sheets, this is pretty far back in time, and then during glacial periods, we get about 120-metre depressionin sea level as the big ice sheets grow in the northern hemisphere and take water out of the ocean and pile it up on land.
- Slightly O/T
A student and an ‘enviro-lawyer’ are suing Foster’s Limited over an ‘environmentally unsustainable’ development in Chippendale NSW.
Drake-Brockman’s claim, prepared by the enviro-lawyer Michael Mobbs, is that the approved CUB concept…will generate up to 84,000 tonnes of greenhouse gases a year…
Bring it on I say. The only other such claim tested in court that I know of has failed dismally.
- “Al Gore is The One” He’s going to stop global warming with a combination of kung-fu and stopping bullets with his MIND.
Carbon offsets are tied in with The Matrix too:
Gore’s Accountant: Do not try to stop emitting carbon. That would be impossible. Instead, try to remember the truth…
Gore: The Truth?
Accountant: *shuffles papers between Gore owned companies* There is no carbon.
Accountant: *shuffles papers between Gore owned companies* There is no carbon.
LOL! wreckage, that’s sensational!
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2007 03 28 at 07:47 AM • permalink
- #22 IT:
These people have no shame, but if we had any honor, we’d tie the lot of ‘em in a sack, toss ‘em in a deep lake, and shoot any floaters.A 28 yo panda is the oldest known living panda, a 22 yo panda dies, and the baby polar bear is blamed. Shooting is too good for that lot. Reality excursions should not be an acceptable form of wastrelism.
<<Begins work on Rube Goldberg machine involving rifle, seat, string, and sign that says ‘align eye with hole and pull string to have Knut the baby polar bear killed like Gaia requires.’>>
- #26- Mobbsy has prior form and a vested interest in this sort of obstructive bullshit- it’s about time civil courts started awarding full costs to defendants in these failed ambit matters.
I’d love to see Mobbsy having to hock his envirobungalow to pay costs to some pack of venal Pitt St befinned barristers.
- What killed me were the comments. Just after having it explained that NO, there is ONLY ENOUGH ICE ON THE PLANET to raise the sea level by 64 meters – THEREFORE A 100 METER RISE IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE – the “truthers” and other ‘tards comment like the little children they are.
“Oh yes it IS possible!”
Isn’t someone in charge of paddling their bottoms?
- Why does this quote
”Some of this noise won’t stop until some of these scientists are dead,” said James Hansen, head of the Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York City, and among the first to sound the alarm over climate change.
remind me of this quote?
Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?”
- Robyn has been pushing hard the greenhouse effect on his “Science” show for some time now. It is more like a “Religion” show.
That raising atmospheric CO2 from 0.058% to 0.075% is going to cause a 100 metre rise in sea level!
The man seriously talks up “Gaia” but then is not too happy with the “Gaia” inventer’s pro nuclear power plant advocacy.
What to do? Blame America!
“Al Gore is The One”
BUAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Irony alert: If you haven’t watched that movie, one scene shows a TV broadcast with President Bush speaking, while a similar TV in another universe has President Gore speaking.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 03 28 at 05:51 PM • permalink
- I was under the impression that a large component of ocean rise is due to thermal expansion, not simply increased amounts of water. So, in theory, it would be possible for oceans to rise 100 meters, it would just take a hell of a lot of energy to accomplish, and I think if the Earth were receiving that much in the span of a century, humanity would probably be too dead to care about a few submerged cities.
- The average temperature in Antartica where the ice doesn’t melt is -45 degrees.
So a warmening of Earth by 44 degrees would still not melt it all, but I guess by that stage, we would be investing quite heavily in Mars real estate.
Yes I have read about that thermal theory of expansion of the oceans – what a lot of rubbish.
ps I’m a new daddy – to Lucy Grace, born 27 March, 2007 at 4.20pm, 7 pounds 7 ounces, 50cm bundle of joy. I have next week off just to stare into her gorgeous blue eyes.
😉
I was under the impression that a large component of ocean rise is due to thermal expansion, not simply increased amounts of water. So, in theory, it would be possible for oceans to rise 100 meters, it would just take a hell of a lot of energy to accomplish, and I think if the Earth were receiving that much in the span of a century, humanity would probably be too dead to care about a few submerged cities.
Yeah, I mentally ran through what it would take to calculate the amount of energy to get a 100 meter rise out of the oceans. As a rough calculation, figure average ocean depth is 3,800 meters. To raise that to 3,900 meters, you’d need to heat the entire volume to 75 Celsius or higher. That’s assuming all the thermal expansion goes up.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2007 03 28 at 10:09 PM • permalink
Yes I have read about that thermal theory of expansion of the oceans – what a lot of rubbish.
Yeah, running the numbers makes it clearly implausible, even ignoring things like dissipation of heat at night, the amount of light that strikes land, and temperature differences in the oceans.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2007 03 28 at 10:12 PM • permalink
- Up-to-Date White Spruce Ring Widths
“Bring the proxies up to date” was the title of one of my earliest posts. Michael Mann had explained that doing so required the use of heavy equipment (like tree ring borers) and travel to out-of-the way sites such as Bishop, California or even Niwot Ridge, a full 45 minute drive from UCAR world headquarters in Boulder CO. As a result, Mann explained that few proxies were available after 1980 and it was therefore necessary to keep using bristlecone and other series ending in 1980 or so.
Obviously, given the warm temperatures in the 1990s and 2000s, up-to-date proxies reaching 1998 and later offer an ideal opportunity to test the validity of tree ring proxies out-of-sample. I’ve done a quick calculation of contributions to the North American tree ring data base at WDCP; I counted no fewer than 250 sites where there is data for 1998 or later.
http://marginalizedactiondinosaur.net/?p=21
Posted by hollingshead on 2007 03 29 at 01:18 AM • permalink
- #47
Good on you peter m and all the best to your family.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 03 29 at 03:24 AM • permalink
- Peter M. Congratulations to you and the missus.
Enjoy.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 03 29 at 07:59 AM • permalink
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*WTF is a male doing with that spelling of Robin, gay enough in its masculine form?