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William Tucker, columnist at The American Enterprise, has a fine idea:
Let’s pick a day—I nominate February 28th, two weeks from today—in which every newspaper in America and every TV news station in America will display the offending cartoons. For the faint-hearted there’ll be safety in numbers. It will inform the public and restore our self-respect. It certainly won’t ingratiate us with world of Islam, but what’s the difference? At least they’ll know they’re facing a united front …
And if you’re planning to bomb The American Enterprise offices in retaliation for this column, please don’t bother. I hardly ever set foot in the place. I live at 430 4th Street in Brooklyn, right around the corner from the ice cream storeowner who was just sentenced to 18 years for smuggling $11 million to terrorists in the Middle East and two doors up from a fireman who was killed on September 11th. I’m home every day.
UPDATE. Flemming Rose explains why he published the cartoons in the first place:
Has Jyllands-Posten insulted and disrespected Islam? It certainly didn’t intend to. But what does respect mean? When I visit a mosque, I show my respect by taking off my shoes. I follow the customs, just as I do in a church, synagogue or other holy place. But if a believer demands that I, as a nonbeliever, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect, but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy.
On incompatibility, this guy (photographed in NYC) agrees:
- Heh… In the background is a sign reading ‘Prophet Mo was a man of peace’.
I suppose he won’t mind this then:
Why does Mohammad like shagging twenty one year olds?
Because there’s twenty of them.
*Ahem*, back on topic. I honestly find it difficult to believe these protesters can be so stupid, as to turn up to these rally’s and protest 5-month old cartoons, and buy the Resistance kits.
I hope a bird craps on them, or it rains.
It’s a good idea for major papers to publish the cartoons on the same date, but at least in the US guns laws will allow individuals to protect themselves, what will our New South Welshmen and women do when the Herald or *snigger* SMH provoke non-violent Muslims to kill random Dhimmis?
Is Crazy Ant based in NSW, it would sure be ironic for him to die in such a riot…
- Islamic Thinkers again? And behind is a banner that says Muhammed was a man of peace. If this bearded chap can say to hell with the teachings of Muhammed, then why shouldn’t the rest of us have that same right.
If one marched under a banner that condemned Muslims as that one condemns the dhimmi in total, most western nations would accuse you of racism and prosecute or fine. This response that says these adherents of the Islam Nation can threaten openly and without impunity is madness.
An article on a European blog argued that because the west’s politicians are so obviously cowering and slowly but surely trading off our mores for what? the move to the extreme right by their populaces is inevitable and then the stoush is really going to be on.
As long as I don’t hear any explanation other than patronising be sensisitve to others, can only conclude, whether consciously or unconsciously, our establishment in all sectors is betraying us. Can see how a political movement that said, we will take them on, would be attractive.
- Poster #2: I’m laughing my @ss off over here. 😀 I just shot Coke Zero out of my nose laughing (which I can tell you is not pleasant).Posted by Mr Snuffalupagus on 2006 02 19 at 10:44 AM • permalink
- It will do more than inform the republic and restore our self respect.
Farish A. Noor and Dyala Hamzah in an essay in early 2005, “The ‘non-debate’ in the muslim world”, consider Moslem society in terms of Jurgen Habermas’s concept of the public sphere. They say.
“In order to publicly state what we think is right for society and others we need to enter into a collective discursive space and speak according to the same rules and standards as others – as equal partners on a shared and level discursive field. The state, in turn, plays the role of guarantor in ensuing that this space remains level and open to all, though it has to be remembered that the state can also be an impediment/threat to the public sphere as well.”
“Firstly, the ‘public sphere’ is less than an open, plural and equal playing field in the Muslim world today due to the emergence of a religious hegemony that is monopolized by religious elites (often closely allied to the state) who claim that they have the privilege, right and responsibility to define the form and content of religion for all.”
The location of the religious hegemony that monopolises is not just Muslim countries in their discussion. It is across Muslim societies. It seems that since then there has emerged a system that seeks to encompass all of western societies, not just that which was considered to be Muslim society. And at this stage they are doing well. And it seem that our western states have abandoned their role as the guarantors that ensure that this space remains level and open to all. Two ministers in Victoria would no doubt be prepared to testify to that. This abandonment of this role by our states has either emerged in from this cartoon intifada, or it happened some time ago and it is only by this event that the betrayal of obligation has been exposed.
If the US media and any others that have the courage do as is suggested then, one, they earn the right back to proclaim themselves as an essential element of a free and democratic society, not just a part time player.
Second they will go some way to reclaiming the public space for discourse back, to making it level and open to all.
Noor and Hamzah say in this essay.
“The net result of this is the development of a public arena where all may listen but not everyone may speak.”
Unfortunately at this point this is certainly true of western societies, and our state and its institutions, including a so called free press are rapidly becoming the impediment .
For the world’s western press to do as William Tucker suggests they have to admit to themselves that they have erred out of fear. Pessimistic but I don’t think they have that level of insight so the pretence will continue.
The joy of the internet, all may listen and all may speak. A truly level and shared discursive field. But of course the Islam Nation in conjunction with assorted other tyrants are after that discursive field as well. And will probably be generously assisted by the UN .
- What a bunch of bullies, retards, & cowards. Can’t handle an argument in the public square? Close the public square down. Can’t defeat your opponent with reason or evidence? Kill him.
Religion of jackasses.
Posted by mark from monroe on 2006 02 19 at 10:47 AM • permalink
- As to Mr. Signman above;
We dont need your apologies bullshit.
Hell with your freedom of speech.
That means you can shut your god damn mouthHell with your freedom of expression.
That means we can take your sign, and stick it up your ass!We will stand for our values with our blood and our body.
Yes you will camel comic, actually we will glady let you lay in a pool of your blood, with your body.
- February 28: 15th anniversary of the Gulf War ceasefire.
This is a victory for all mankind, for the rule of law and for what is right.
– US President George Bush
Ditto for Motoon Tuesday!
- Uhm, I know this may be obvious but… If things are so bad in NYC (and the West,in general), what with all the freedom of speech, expression, etc and it being illegal to kill those who don’t respect Big Mo, wouldn’t the logical solution be to return to or move to a place where the RoP rules.
I know I don’t want to live in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc because of the RoP so why do these people come here for the good stuff and then demand we obey them on the bad stuff?
I mean, hey, they even have mod cons like McD’s, autos & indoor plumbing now in many places over there. Why not return home and enjoy it with like thinkers?
Oh, that’s right, this is about our “stuff”. Isn’t getting someone else’s “stuff” usually the actual motive behind bigotry of all types?
I love the way they throw France, their western front man, under the camel cart with the rest of their preceived enemies. What a bunch of butt-pirate, choipin’ boid, maroons.
I think that, unfortunately, this will eventually get down to shooting each other – yes, right here and at your place. It will be blamed on the US probably but these people didn’t start immigrating here, with the intent of taking us over, just recently. It’s been going on for quite a while.
I guess “assimilation” & “melting pot” are the new swear words. Too bad. They worked.
- #4: Yowza! Mid-1940’s, Joan Crawford-type elegance (in a totally covered up, walking- pup-tent sort of way).
I’d like to say something strikingly witty about Abd al-Doofus holding the sign above, but the only thing that comes to mind is “What a dick!” So, you’ll “stand for your values with your blood and body”, eh? Well, wait right there; I’ll be back with Dick Cheney in a minute. Oh, and here, put this on: The Bobwhite Quail Headdress, which I give to you in the spirit of, er, international friendship.
But if a believer demands that I, as a nonbeliever, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect, but for my submission.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Islam mean submission? That’s fine if a person is a Muslim. Or maybe if he lives in a land of Muslims. But if he lives in a land in which Christianity or agnostism is the majority religion and democracy and freedom of thought and expression is the norm, how can a Muslim immigrant reasonably expect any non-Muslim to submit to their religion?
I say this is going to become a Clash of Civilizations. Might as well start the clash now than later.
Posted by wronwright on 2006 02 19 at 12:41 PM • permalink
But if he lives in a land in which Christianity or agnostism is the majority religion and democracy and freedom of thought and expression is the norm, how can a Muslim immigrant reasonably expect any non-Muslim to submit to their religion?
Because he’s a Muslim. Duh. You know—one of the master religion.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 02 19 at 01:38 PM • permalink
- 19. Oh, and BTW, please don’t encourage Wronwright to prepare any beverages for Karl Rove. In addition to my duties as Chief Duster in Rumsfeld’s trophy room (punitive detail), I’m also one of Karl’s food tasters, and Wronwright’s been showing just a little too much ambition lately, if you know what I mean.
- If there DOES have to be a clash, between this civilization and that fucktardation, then YES, I want it to be ABOUT CARTOONS. That’s the way that history should be.Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 02 19 at 05:15 PM • permalink
- Would it be intolerant if one were to stick a bayonet from side to side through that Muslim guy’s throat, sever his trachea and carotid arteries, and stand ululating over his twitching carcass as he exsanguinated? I’m just wondering, because he’s blackguarded my religious and cultural sensibilities with his attacks on freedom of speech and expression, and for that I want him violently dead. But I wouldn’t want to offend anybody.Posted by David Gillies on 2006 02 19 at 05:34 PM • permalink
- David Gillies — I am shocked and offended by your post.
You left out the part where you twist the bayonet on the way out to speed up the bleed-out. Very slapdash work.
What the hell are they teaching you kids these days?
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 02 19 at 06:06 PM • permalink
- Well I’m OFFENDED by Rob C’s belief that Karl would promote him over me. He’s a minion. A MINNNNNNIIIIIIOOOOOONNNNNNN.
Know your place minion.
By the way, that place would be shared with Stoop Davy Dave (minion goat class), MarkL (minion page class), PW (minion German class), and Dave S (minion psycho class).
I might also point out that some notables are also in the minion class: Crichton, Steyn, Lilek, Iowahawk (curls fingers). Although you wouldn’t know it the way they strut around a neocon conference like they’re Karl Rove’s personal bathroom Glade sprayer (like me). Five years it’s taken to ascend to that level. I won’t abide with usurpers.
Posted by wronwright on 2006 02 19 at 08:21 PM • permalink
- I may just be a minion, but my job does come with its perks. That black helicopter on permanent stand-by sure comes in handy when you’re tasked with proselytizing the entirety of Western Europe on the advantages of Rovism.
If only certain people were more adept at handling the Turtle Wax…I’m trying to represent the Master in a very difficult area, dammit, and it’s not making my job any easier if the helicopter isn’t shiny black half the time.
I could use an assistant for travel planning and other assorted tasks, btw, if somebody wants to put in a word for me with Karl.
- You know how long it takes me to “milk” those turtles for the wax?
Its better than the sonic dissonator duties I had before, I still have residual attraction to octopi.
Ah well at least thye turtles seem to like it. (BTW do female turtles only have 1 nipple?)Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 02 19 at 10:07 PM • permalink
- Unfortunately #2, there are usually never enough birds, with enough crap, to make a serious dent on a crowd of this size… and unfortunatley it raining on them is also a very hit and miss affair… (and being in london they are probably immune to rotten weather anyway)
What would be good is if seeing they announce these types of rants usually a couple of weeks beforehand, is if someone could hire some sort of water bombing aircraft/helicopter etc, and load its hold full of sheep sh*t (or some similar noxious cargo) and do a couple of low passes over them as they’re opening their big traps…
I’d certainly be willing to donate some money to hire fees….
- Actually come to think of it, this mob would probably be right at home knee deep in sheep sh*t… the musky aroma would probably bring back memories of the good ol’ days back in whatever sh*thole they crawled out of to make it to the civilised world…
maybe if they did a couple of passes dropping some pork crackle or something it might be enough to trigger an en masse hari kari of these retards….
hmmm, dunno, the liquid fertiliser option still sounds good, especially if u could make them all look up at the point just before impact…. maybe play a call to prayer just as u hit the release button… :o)
- casanova,
Technically speaking, you are not a minion. But I must say that is a very good idea you have. I will be happy to bring it to Karl’s attention at his morning massage. I’ve been running low on ideas anyway and I could tell him it was mine.
Please let me know any other good ideas that pass that infertile little non-neocon mind of yours. If you come up with enough cruel and cunning ones, who knows? A band of black robed torch wielding neocons may be paying you a visit on midnight some night soon. (And not for the purpose of burning your house down and ravishing your women, although I can’t strictly promise that, I hope you understand.
Posted by wronwright on 2006 02 20 at 09:53 AM • permalink
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If HK’s ‘march’ is any guide, its just a good opportunity to whoop like a gibbon and gain some attention.
By the way, did anyone see this morning’s ‘Inciters’ when Piers mentioned Leunig, to be told that ‘ it wasn’t on the issues/running sheet’? I’d loved to have seen them discuss it. maybe next week when Ginny is back on perhaps.