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Progress is noted in the case of a certain missing gravestone:
The good news is that Casey Sheehan’s father, Patrick, has had enough of this and has quietly arranged with a local monument company to erect a memorial.
Perhaps one of the Australian reporters currently promoting Mother Cindy might pass this on. On the Sheehan beat, here’s Mark Coultan in the SMH:
On September 11, 2001, she shared the views of most Americans, but with much more ominous feelings. “I was stunned, I was shocked, I was broken-hearted,” she says.
“On September 11, when that happened, I had a premonition that it would cause Casey’s death. I just got so depressed. I was in a state of depression thinking Casey would have to go to war.”
Were it up to Sheehan, a repeat of September 11 would draw no military response:
“This has been an evolution for me since Casey was killed. I didn’t like war, but I kind of thought World War II was a good war.
“But now I have gone to the total opposite, there is no good war. And violence is never a solution to any problem.”
Even Coultan eventually tires of Sheehan’s moonbatting:
For a woman who has become the most prominent anti-war protester in America, she sometimes sounds surprisingly naive. She says that Afghanistan might have given up Osama bin Laden if the US had gone through the proper extradition channels. “The Taliban said to George Bush: ‘You send us proper extradition [papers] and we will look at it’.”
Yeah. Right.
UPDATE. Sheehan accuses the US of carpet-bombing innocent civilians.
- Yes Bush is to blame.. So is Haliburton, and the zionists. All guided by the evil Rove capitalist industrial war-machine.
Ohh, I can’t wait to see the moonbats in Melbourne tomorrow night, as they come out of the woodwork to listen to queen bee Sheehan give another anti-Western rant. The specimens on display will be quite unique.
- Is that how it all works? It’s so simple; why didn’t we see it before?
Instead of going to war in 1991, we should have just asked nicely for Saddam to hand Kuwait back over.
Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 05 23 at 10:09 PM • permalink
- JerryS — Toby Keith did. Ain’cha ever heard ‘The Taliban Song?’Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 05 23 at 10:15 PM • permalink
- It’s hard enough being an innocent civilian, without Bush bombing your carpets. Carpets for the masses!Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 05 23 at 10:35 PM • permalink
- my country is torturing people without due process
Does this mean she supports torturing people with due process?
Posted by JSthecorrect on 2006 05 23 at 11:21 PM • permalink
“This has been an evolution for me since Casey was killed. I didn’t like war, but I kind of thought World War II was a good war.
“But now I have gone to the total opposite, there is no good war. And violence is never a solution to any problem.”
Cindy Sheehan
….Dizzy: My mother always told me that violence doesn’t solve anything.
Jean Rasczak: Really? I wonder what the city founders of Hiroshima would have to say about that.
[to Carmen] Jean Rasczak: You.
Carmen: They wouldn’t say anything. Hiroshima was destroyed.
Jean Rasczak: Correct. Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn’t solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. …From the 1997 movie ‘Starship Troopers’ – which is similar to a quote in Heinlein’s original book of the same name.
Mother Sheehan was interviewed on ‘Sunrise’ this morning. Wife said it was very Dorothy Dix in style. She (CS) has many fellow travellers here.
- #16 you beat me to it, it is the only part in the entire article that made me laugh.
Whilst I feel sorry she has lost a son, I think that she is lost in reality. Maybe she should have cheat cards so that when she speaks to the media, whilst it may seem a little stilted as she looks at the cards at least it may come out a little bit better (but only if it is reviewed and approved by someone with a sense of logic)
BTW who is funding her? surely not out of her own account.
Posted by artful-dodger on 2006 05 23 at 11:43 PM • permalink
- They werent bombing the carpets silly- they were bombing the Iraqis with carpets.
Big difference.Posted by Islam/cancer-Chuck Norris/answer on 2006 05 23 at 11:46 PM • permalink
- They were only bombing civilians with bad toupées: Rugs kill!Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 05 23 at 11:53 PM • permalink
- #18 The peacefest is being put together by the Australian chapter of the Medical Association for Prevention of War. Click on the “Unity for Peace” flyer to discover that “Melbourne declares peace on the world”. Apart from Cindy, some noted names will also be presenting, including
Kerry Nettle: Greens senator;
Joumanah El Matrah: manager, Islamic Womens Welfare Council of Victoria;
Donna Mulhearn: former human shield;
Keysar Trad: Islamic Friendship Association of Australia.Also note that there are no longer any unemployed people in Australia. Conference dinner tickets are $20 (waged), $15 (unwaged). Main course – Halal hamster, spit roasted. Apparently Cindy doesn’t have any qualms about funding her antipodean holiday at the expense of poor, battling, unwaged Australians.
Posted by Whale Spinor on 2006 05 24 at 12:25 AM • permalink
- I think I’ve worked out the problem- the Moonbat Madonna has gotten the wires in her head crossed, and has misinterpreted reports that “insurgents” are bombing innocent civilians FROM carpets.
I expect a retraction, followed by a campaign for the USAF to immediately deploy batteries of felt-and-flax flack. That’ll fluck em.
- That conference of peace creeps should be interesting. It will give Cindy “US out of ocupied New Orleans” Sheehan a whole new country to slander. “Australia out of occupied Melbourne!”
I never found out what her beef was about New Orleans by the way. I could only assume she was declaring solidarity with the slaveowners of 1862 who did have to put up with an occupation by the United States Army under General Ben Butler. They objected to his abolitionist ways. Maybe Cindy was hearing their voices in her head.
I doubt the USA had an extradition treaty with Afghanistan when the Talis were tyrannizing it, so there would be no “proper procedures” to speak of, even if the Talis understood what we might refer to as proper procedures. So Bush requested them to give up Osama and gave them four days to answer. They said no. I expect he was a might testy at the time, and not inclined to put up with nonsense from the bunch of hairy barbarians ruining Afghanistan then. As for Iraq Cindy has even less knowledge of strategy than John Kerry, even if she were not insane. For her own sake some kindly person ought to medicate her and guide her into a nice hospital where her condition can be treated by skilled professionals.
Posted by Michael Lonie on 2006 05 24 at 01:07 AM • permalink
- I’ve got an old Isfahan in my lounge room—anyone know how to defuse it?
Swelp me, when I followed the link and got a look at her dial, I about blew chunks! That woman must have to sneak up on the tap to get a drink of water.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 05 24 at 01:11 AM • permalink
followed by a campaign for the USAF to immediately deploy batteries of felt-and-flax flack. That’ll fluck em.
Unless the flocking is too full which would foul up the focus formatting on the fire control. Deep pile’s a bitter pill periodically
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 05 24 at 01:18 AM • permalink
- Some words from somebody using Mother Sheehan’s e-mail address and her computer, in a letter she says she wrote (but using different words):
Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. Am I stupid? No, I know full-well that my son, my family, this nation, and this world were betrayed by George [W.] Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agenda after 9/11. We were told that we were attacked on 9/11 because the terrorists hate our freedoms and democracy; Not for the real reason, because the Arab-Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern foreign policy.
Including the policy of not insisting that Spain become Islamic, and that India should not be handed back to its “rightful” Islamic rulers. Well, that was what OBL said he wanted, anyway.
Then there’s this, from an Iranian Ayotollah who called for Jihad on the US:
In another statement from last year, Ayatollah Nouri-Hamedani, on the occasion of his visit to the cities of Khoramshahr and Shalamche, said: “World Arrogance [i.e., the U.S. and the Western powers] is creating a trinity of evil: heresy, divisiveness, and Zionism, in order to weaken the [Iranian] people’s spirit and to create division and disagreement with respect to our regime. [Therefore] all of the senior officials and the public must be on their guard more than ever…
“The spreading of prostitution and evil things, the creation of a mentality of inferiority, and the propagation of crazy ideas such as secularism, liberalism, and humanism are [all] part of our enemies’ plans to sow disunity in [our] society…
“The revelation of the culture of Jihad and martyrdom in the country [Iran] struck world Arrogance [i.e., the U.S. and the Western powers] with dread The existence of such a spirit among our youth led to world Arrogance’s not daring to infringe on our borders… History shows that every people that lost the culture of Jihad and martyrdom were brought down.”
Hey, it’s not what we say they believe, it’s what they say themselves!
Some more words from Mother Sheehan, about the USA :
We have no Constitution. We’re the only country with no checks and balances.
Funny, I could ahve sworn the US had a Constitution. One with separation of Legislature, Judiciary, and Executive… She said those words immediately before accusing the US of waging Nuclear War in Iraq, so I suppose it’s appropriate. The venue was when she was co-speaker with Lynne Stuart, about whom :
The terrorist lawyer, who billed herself as a “Civil Rights Lawyer and Political Prisoner”, was recently convicted of conspiracy and for passing along fatwas (Islamic religious edicts) from Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman to his terrorist followers in Egypt’s Islamic Group. Rahman is the blind sheikh responsible for the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993 that left six Americans dead and more than 1,000 people injured.
Her trial lasted seven months, and the jury deliberated 13 days before convicting her and two co-conspirators, one of whom (Ahmed Abdhel Sattar) was wiretapped making calls to al-Qaeda while the other (Mohammed Yousry) translated messages to be sent to a terrorist leader overseas.
[…] Pointer was convicted of assaulting some Jewish women during the attacks carried out by black militants in New York in the late 1960’s during demonstrations in the Oceanville-Brownville area demanding that Jewish teachers not be allowed to teach black inner city school children. Lynne Stewart married him afterward, but voiced approval of his physical attacks on Jews.Examination of the record shows that Mother Sheehan was a Far-Left political activist long before her son volunteered and re-volunteered, something that must have really galled her.
Funny that MSM hasn’t exactly publicised this, and few in Australia know it.
References and sources on my blog, but feel free to Google them yourself.
- 25 MentalFloss, “That woman must have to sneak up on the tap to get a drink of water” has replaced “coyote ugly” in my lexicon. Perhaps we can get Addumbo to “render” an animation of a terrified tap retreating into its own plumbing.
God I love this blog. Every day some media moonbat depresses me, but I come straight here for an uplifting of my spirits and fresh hope for my grandchildren’s future. Thank you all for making an old man happy. Even the trolls make me laugh.
- #33 Amos,
What they quoted in that article was probably the most lucid half-thoughts in her speech. That was the “very clear message” she had for you guys.
This woman isn’t just an embarrassment to the Bush administration, but to every decent member of the human race. Not for the reason they posit, of course, but because she is too goddam pathetic to be ashamed of herself.
Before people judge her, they ought to walk a mile in her husband’s shoes. He buried his son, too, and this creature is what he was left with. Consider those shoes and the judgment becomes easy.
- I know, it’s kind of like being smacked on the nose with a rolled-up newspaper. Bad Australia! Bad!
I wonder if she’s going to try to demand a meeting with Howard? Oh man please let her do that, that would be classic. Our local leftists can start penning the editorials about how Howard is ‘afraid’ to meet her, and when he gets up to check the Monday papers he’ll be up 30 points.
- She is entertaining, though, really. Wasn’t it earlier this week we saw reports of monkees using speech, and now here’s another Mother Sheehan interview!Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2006 05 24 at 07:24 AM • permalink
- C’mon guys, the funniest thing in the News.com.au report was her allegation that “my country is torturing people without due process”. So its ok, Mrs. Sheehan, if they torture suspects with due process?Posted by dover_beach on 2006 05 24 at 08:29 AM • permalink
- I think I’ve finally got it worked out- the cloth-eared old bag misheard that there was Scotchguard being used in Iraq.
- Snippet from 2005, on the anti war crowd, including Ms. Dolt…
The groups gathering in Washington this weekend to protest President Bush and the war in Iraq have ties to radical left-wing groups and communist organizations and have enjoyed the support of the left’s biggest financial supporter, George Soros.
United for Peace and Justice (UPJ) and International Act Now to Stop War and End Racism (ANSWER) are the two main organizers of the weekend of events—the first major public protest allowed to surround the White House in more than 10 years—and expect 100,000 people from dozens of smaller left-wing and liberal organizations.
A highlight of Saturday, the first day of protests, is an appearance and speech by anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq.——————-
John J. Tierney, a scholar at the Institute of World Politics and author of “The Politics of Peace: What’s Behind the Anti-War Movement?” said the core of the protesters are “ideologically very hard-core left” and that their agenda goes far beyond merely protesting the Iraq war.
“They’re not anti-war. They are anti-West, anti-capitalism and anti-American political culture,”Mr. Tierney said. “You see the speeches, the flags, the posters, the speakers and the pamphlets cover a whole host of revolutionary causes, literally everywhere.”The question of who is funding the protests remains clouded. Billionaire George Soros has funded various left-wing groups that will have a presence at the protest through his Open Society Institute, as has the Tides Foundation, created by Theresa Heinz Kerry, heir to the Heinz food fortune and wife of Sen. John Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat. Money from both of these groups is filtered down to other groups and then filtered down to yet others, Mr. Tierney said.
- Of course El Cidious,
Millions of people come out to demonstrate against the war and it’s all a vast left wing conspiracy.
At last year’s Washington demonstrations, David Horowitz insistied that he heard the crowd not chanting “end the war”, but “Zalrqawi is our man”. Are you hearing those voices too?
- Moonbat of Mysticism
“On September 11, when that happened, I had a premonition that it would cause Casey’s death.
So was that when you started hearing the voices, Mrs Sheehan?
We’re the only country with no checks and balances.
How I envy those Somalians, Sierra Leoneans, North Koreans, and Zimbabweans, with their exemplary checks and balances. Russians too. If only the USA could aspire to that level of governmentality. Where was that checks and balances thingy invented, anyway?
Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 05 24 at 09:30 AM • permalink
- El Cid Thanks for the funding info on the horse faced ho.
And I dont mean to be rude but your hemmaroid seems to be taking on vaugely LLL qualities. It appears to be following a step or two behing you and dribbling dung everywhere.
Hemmeroido, if it was a man of similar wealth funding a number of questionable right wing groups at arms length would you say the same?
Have a look at the far left influence, resistance, ex and current communist organisations, anarchists ect abnd ask yourself what is their one common factor.
Then answer that. A plain straightforeward answer.
(El if i were you id look at ditching that Hemmaroido it looks a bit cancerous from here)Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 05 24 at 09:34 AM • permalink
- Stoop Davy Dave
The checks and balances in those countries you mentioned is what happens when the long drop meets the short rope around your neck.
Might wander off and check out Kindymedia for some mainline moonbattery…Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 05 24 at 09:40 AM • permalink
- O/T – Turned over to Geo Negus at 1/2 time in the state of origin. Earnest young thing was going on about Cuban health system. “Free”, higher doctor/patient ratio and lower infant mortality than guess where? Yes, the USA of course.
Well it doesn’t affect me now, I’ve put the cue back in the rack, so not much point emigrating to Cuba and starting a family. But if I’d seen this program years ago I may well have. Where was SBS when I really needed them?
Posted by Whale Spinor on 2006 05 24 at 09:52 AM • permalink
- #44 Addamo,
Millions of people?. Learn to count, Mr Subjective Reality.Posted by Daniel San on 2006 05 24 at 09:53 AM • permalink
- It looks like the Professor Emeritus of Middle Eastern Geography has risen from the ashes of his own stupidity and is attempting a comebackPosted by Whale Spinor on 2006 05 24 at 10:02 AM • permalink
- 48 thefrollickingmole
Hemmeroido
I assume you are speaking of ADDUMO?
if it was a man of similar wealth funding a number of questionable right wing groups at arms length would you say the same?
If you speak of a Richard A. Viguerie type, who is becoming more strident in his insistence that ‘conservatism’ means drop the inclusion, or big tent theory, OR a Patrick Buchanan, who seems to indicate he is an anti-Semite, (every bit the George Soros, without the BIG bucks, but Soros being A self hating Jew)OR Richard Scaife who used his money to dig up ‘dirt’ on Clinton, (I despised Clinton and he did himself in, the ‘dirt’ wasn’t needed)OR a Pat Robertson, who once his mouth opened, were I in charge, would strip his ‘religious’ organization of tax exempt status, (includes the Catholic clergy)Or a Jerry Falwell. I do say the same. It may NOT be on Tim Blair’s Blog, for here it seems to be center or center right.
I am as harsh on them as I am on Latte Leftists or “Useful Idiots” trying to do harm to MY country which would effect every country consisting of free thinking peoples, the answer is yes.
I don’t want either the extreme Right, OR Left telling me, what I must do, must think, how I must act, eat, shit, or any other thing.
The extremes of either are totalitarian, wouldn’t you agree?
- 53 the Cid
The extremes of either are totalitarian, wouldn’t you agree?
The ones who think they’ve got a lock on all morality are obnoxious, but the ones who think they’ve got a lock on all reality are the worst. When being condescended to by imbeciles, there’s not much to choose between the lefty imbecile fanatics and the fundamentalist religious fanatics.
That is, yes, I would agree.Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 05 24 at 10:59 AM • permalink
- Stoop Davy Dave
Absolutely.
In two things related…The A.C.L.U. has directed that its Board members and underlings, will not be allowed to speak on matters the Board Members decide as to policy. Fox News…just broadcast.
The Leftist paradise of Cuba, has just allowed the oil gluttonous land of China to drill for oil and gas…45 miles from Key West, Florida. Also just broadcast on Fox News.
To the first…the A.C.L.U. with their decision must change it’s name and acronym, for if this is in fact the case they are American In Name Only (A.I.N.O), they do NOT believe in Civil Liberties and the ONLY Union they are beginning to resemble, is the Soviet kind.
To the second…Mush head republicans AND Democrats, say we can’t drill for oil and gas in the U.S., we can’t drill for oil and gas offshore, any longer, (but China can and not a damn thing ‘they’ can do about that…lol) NOPE to refining capacity growth, we won’t have nuclear plants because of stupidity, Wind sources have been nixed by a guy named Kennedy…BUT ALL want alternative fuel…I suggest, human feces and urine…because the powers to be are more filled with it, then the everyday average person.
- Pat Robertson, who once his mouth opened, were I in charge, would strip his ‘religious’ organization of tax exempt status, (includes the Catholic clergy)
El Cid, nice gratuitous Catholic-bashing! (Unless you think that Pat Robertson actually runs the Magisterium in a bizarre Da Vinci Code kind of way. . . in which case I’m backing away slowly.)
- Oh boo hoo, El Cid, it’s “Catholic-bashing” now! Calling on the world’s wealthiest organization to pay taxes, you bigotly Jesus-hater you! WAH! WAH!Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 05 24 at 01:14 PM • permalink
- 59 VKI
El Cid, nice gratuitous Catholic-bashing!
Not really knowing the intonation of what you posted, BUT I’ll take the exclamation point as a serious “Catholic bashing” sentence.
In that case…Ooooooo, sorry, your answer should have been in the form of a question…better luck next time, thanks for playing.
- #‘s 59, 60 & 61: Gentlemen, let us reason together.
If you are seriously suggesting that the Catholic Church should not be exmpt from taxes, consistency, not to mention fairness, dictates that no religious organization should be exempt. To carry it a step further, why should any charitable organization be exempt? The Catholic Church -of which I am the humblest (did you catch that Stoop Davy? The Humblest) – member, operates hospitals, schools, hospices, retirement homes, etc., etc. Why shouldn’t it be exempt for charitable purposes, as is any other charitable organization? Or are you referring strictly to the clergy? You are on firmer ground there, I believe.
As to Catholic bashing, I have known El Cid for, oh, weeks, now, and I do not think him capable of such a thing. And even if that had been his intention, such is my high regard for him that I would feel compelled to prevail upon my close acquaintance with the Pope to have his sentence of burning at the stake commuted to exile (possibly to Fiji).
Oh, kuh-RAP! I think I just lost the humility contest to Stoop Davy!
- Just got here. Morning almost gone. I didn’t check out the times on the posts made since I posted yesterday, but I’d say it didn’t take long for everybody to get bored discussing whats’erface.
Heeeheeheeheeheeheeheeeeee. Made my morning/early afternoon.
Paco, I don’t care what anybody says, there is no way Stoop will ever be more humble than you. Not possible, so you quitcher worryin’. I mean, I like Stoop and all, and he can be humble, I’m not denying, but we’ve got to keep honest here.
- One who is authorized to perform religious functions, be it…Regardless of true religion…not a beheading, homicide bombing, inciting to hate and kill the infidel…and anyone other then ‘they’ is the infidel, cult, should stick to talking, counselling, reading scripture or whatever the hell else ‘they’ do.
‘They’ are entitled to the freedoms, that a freeDOM society entitles them to, including political.
BUT once ‘they’ subscribe to and promote A political agenda to their masses, be it from the Left, OR from the Right AND insist (as some do) that if ‘their’ subscription and promotion is the ONLY path. To ME that is a No-No.
I think Laura Ingraham’s book title put it best, although it had other intents, I love these words…“Shut Up and Sing”.
- BUT once ‘they’ subscribe to and promote A political agenda to their masses, be it from the Left, OR from the Right AND insist (as some do) that if ‘their’ subscription and promotion is the ONLY path.
Most religions claim that there is one true path to salvation. I think what you’re getting at is that, as long as the proponents of any given religion don’t insist on moving people onto that path at gunpoint (or scimitar point), that’s fine. Otherwise, not. I don’t disagree with that.
- #5, as #46 states, the US government did request the Taliban government extradition of OBL and was refused. (As addamo would say, “Surpishte!”.)
#7. R.-The Ditch Witch does not believe what she is saying. That would require a conscience, and consciousness. She is simply addicted to attention and adoration and will say whatever her puppet masters put in her mouth, so long as it produces media attention.
- 62 Padre Paco
consistency, not to mention fairness, dictates that no religious organization should be exempt.
Gets my vote.
To carry it a step further, why should any charitable organization be exempt? Or are you referring strictly to the clergy? You are on firmer ground there, I believe.
I’m thinking about their real estate, actually. Do other charitable orgs pay R.E. taxes? It probably varies by locality. But if any do, they all should.
As to Catholic bashing, I have known El Cid for, oh, weeks, now, and I do not think him capable of such a thing.
Me too neither. E.C.‘s personal merits and virtues aside, I have a fairly hypersensitized knee-jerk reaction to all forms of “race-card-playing,” of which category the “nice gratuitous Catholic-bashing! ” complaint is just one of a million variants.
Analogy: in the very serious debate about illegal immigration, it is a favorite tactic of leftist fucktards to treat any complaint about the immigration situation as a personal criticism OF the immigrants themselves: “How DARE you pick on these hard-working down-trodden campesinos! blah blah yadda yadda …”
Same deal here. The term “Catholic-bashing!” carries the charming implication that individual Catholics are being unfairly picked on, just for being Catholic. The tactical intent is clear: if they can call you a bigot, and make it stick, then they’ve effectively shouted you down and shut you up.
Okay, it’s open to question whether or not VKI was actually doing that, or for those reasons. Like I say, itza knee-jerk thang with me. My apologies to you, VKI, for the over-reaction, if that’s what it was.Oh, kuh-RAP! I think I just lost the humility contest to Stoop Davy!
Almost, but your timely admission there may have restored your … um uh um … your “humilio cred.”
Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 05 24 at 03:16 PM • permalink
- I believe this qualifies as an OOOPPPSSS! Turn the sound up.
It has been said that religion and politics should never be argued…obviously, they are…but in my opinion they should never be mixed, either. Obviously, they are.
Oh geez…how could I not specifically mention (not with an et al) MentalFloss, Dave S and complete the nic’s of Stoop Davy Dave and Texas Bob…did I mention Paco?…LOL.
“But now I have gone to the total opposite, there is no good war. And violence is never a solution to any problem.”
An eloquent refutation to this idea may be found in Bill Whittle’s essay, History
War settled whether the Mediterranean Sea would be a Carthaginian Lake or a Roman one. War settled whether Jerusalem would be Christian or Muslim. War determined whether a surrender document would be signed aboard the Missouri in Tokyo Bay or on the Yamato just off Alcatraz in San Francisco Bay. War determined whether France would be living through four years, or a millennia of darkness under Nazi supermen, and a weird, ghostly war determined whether or not there would be Englishmen and Scots and Americans living and dying in gulags in Siberia.
And four years of unimaginably brutal war determined whether or not the United States of America would in fact be a land where all men are created equal. War determined whether the fatal, poisonous stain of slavery would split the nation into two irreconcilable camps, or whether the blood and sacrifice of men at Little Round Top and The Angle and Cold Harbor would, in part, wash away that stain and put right that which was unable to be put right at the birth of this awesome experiment in self-rule.
…The historical consequences of a philosophy predicated on the notion of no war at any cost are families flying to the Super Bowl accompanied by three or four trusted slaves and a Europe devoid of a single living Jew.
- OTish: Went to the Co-op today to find something to settle my stomach. (Damn you, cheap Chinese food! Damn you all to hell!) Saw this: “Symposium on the Erosion of Muslim Civil Rights in America.” Speakers are several of the local Muslim spokespersons. Under the listing of topics—“Happy Hour begins at 6:30!” (Smiley Face, Smiley Face)
HAPPY HOUR!!! Well, I do have to admit they know their local audience. You couldn’t get people to attend anything en masse around here, even if you had Bush impeached at the Community Center with Jack the Ripper presiding, unless you provided fizzy cocktails and snacks…
- #68: Esteemed Stoop Davy Dave
Almost, but your timely admission there may have restored your … um uh um … your “humilio cred.”
Blessings on you, my son. But I humbly submit that you are trying to pull a fast one. By granting me the honors of superior humility, you are making yourself more humble than I am. Lest this turn into a replay of that old Warner Bros.’ cartoon featuring the two exquisitely polite gophers (“After you”, “Oh, no, after you”, No, but really, I insist, after you”), perhaps we should share the humility crown. And I think VKI’s comment was probably understandable. El Cid, for all his intellectual magnificence, does occasionally let his nimble brain run ahead of his less nimble fingers when it comes to his staccato punctuation and prose style (begging your pardon, Excellency; it is also a fault shared by your most obedient servant).
Bwahahahahaha!!! (1) Outhumbled Stoop Davy by conceding his superiority in humility; (2) called for a charitable response to VKI. Mirror, mirror on the wall, who’s the humblest one of all?
- Accursed interloper! This devious out-humblement will not go unavenged!!
(shakes fist at screen, gesticulates wrathfully)Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 05 24 at 04:18 PM • permalink
- Renowned Anti-Humilitarian MentalFloss staggered into the vaulted thread and lunged for the nearest keyboard…utterly lacking in humility, he typed furiously with his last ounce of overweening pride—the world must be told!
“I hereby propose the disqualification of both Stoop Davey Dave AND paco from the “Meek Shall Inherit Stakes” for breaking the cardinal rule: humility like underwear, is essential, but indecent if it shows.
It is plain they get no pleasure out of humility, only out of each having more of it than the other.
Pride goeth before an autumn…aaarrrggggghh, gurgle, choke”
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 05 24 at 05:29 PM • permalink
- Keep choking him, Paco! And move aside, so I can kick him a few times!Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 05 24 at 05:34 PM • permalink
- 74/75 VKI
I do think you might have been overreacting. My main point was that Pat Robertson is not, in fact, a member of the Roman Catholic clergy. Why tar the Church with the same brush?
I typed; “OR a Pat Robertson, who once his mouth opened, were I in charge, would strip his ‘religious’ organization of tax exempt status, (includes the Catholic clergy)Or a Jerry Falwell.”
Maybe I’m missing something, I see three brushes. In a non-specific ORDER (just in case order in this case, does in no way, equate to a religious term, as in Jesuit)
When A Pope, OR A Falwell, OR A Robertson interacts and issues ‘edicts’, say concerning abortion, in America or anywhere, they have just entered politics…MY point IS…ALL THREE, should stay the hell out of politics, if they don’t, no tax exemption for what is generally acknowledged as church related, Corporation Sole.
I meant to also apologize, El Cid, for offending you.
Offend me…LOL. I’ve been involved in all phases of the Timeshare Industry for over 30 years, (you should have seen what I did before…lol) no one could offend me…BUT we are still ahead of lawyers and the U.S. Congress, and most of the Media. No need for apology, difference of opinion and reading…:).
- VKI…addendum…you can add U.S. Immigration, legal or otherwise, to the political list.
Now I’ve left myself open for…well what about the Underground Railroad, during the U.S, Slavery days, then the white mans slaughter of the Native American food source, the Bison…and of course the Native American, the white man put on reservations, those they didn’t kill, that is….Columbus didn’t discover America…Leif Erikkson did, that doesn’t even cover me typing the word ‘abortion’…and on and on.
- El Cid—St. Brendan discovered America, you NordiCentric bastid…!Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 05 24 at 08:47 PM • permalink
- El Cid—the Catholic Church is a worldwide organization, and I rather doubt it is exempt from taxes in every single country.
In any case, there are very good reasons why religious organizations and other private charities and groups in the US are exempt from taxable status. Of course, this system can be abused—for example, the so-called “Westboro Baptist Church” headed by the “Reverend” Phelps is in part a tax-dodge. But no human institution can be totally immune to abuse.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 05 24 at 08:55 PM • permalink
- Andrea
“Westboro Baptist Church” headed by the “Reverend” Phelps is in part a tax-dodge. But no human institution can be totally immune to abuse.
Bingo on that one…there should happen other things to the Phelps group, the damn ghouls.
richard mcenroe
St. Brendan discovered America, you NordiCentric bastid…!
Yeah, Yeah…:).
- When A Pope, OR A Falwell, OR A Robertson interacts and issues ‘edicts’, say concerning abortion, in America or anywhere, they have just entered politics.
Sorry, my friend, but my disagreement with that statement is pretty near absolute; or rather, my disagreement with your conclusion is absolute. Abortion, for Catholics, is not simply a political issue, like whether or not to fund the arts with tax money, or should we have federalized airport security; it is a moral issue connected to the most central beliefs of the faithful. The Pope has not only the right, but the obligation, to speak out on this issue. Defining politics in such a way as to exclude from the political arena certain rationales (e.g., religious reasons) for advocating or opposing a particular issue not only marginalizes religion, but marginalizes democracy. We shall just have to agree to wave at each other(in a friendly fashion, I sincerely hope) across this particular unbridgeable chasm.
- What’re you on about? Everyone knows the sea-roving Israelite tribes of Dan, Asher and Zebulon “discovered” North America.
Sheesh…some people!
Isn’t it obvious that the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did indeed ‘spread abroad to the West’ (Genesis 28:14) as Almighty G-d had promised?
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 05 24 at 10:17 PM • permalink
- 84 Paco
Abortion, for Catholics, is not simply a political issue, like whether or not to fund the arts with tax money, or should we have federalized airport security; it is a moral issue connected to the most central beliefs of the faithful.
It being “not simply a political issue” ain’t the same as it being “not a political issue,” now is it? And El Cid, he be saying it IS a political issue. So you two may be in vehement agreement, actually.
Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 05 24 at 10:33 PM • permalink
- Stoop Davy Dave
vehement agreement
I’ve leased vehicles for many years…:).
Now one must admit, this is far more of an intellectual order, between people with strong beliefs, with scads of experience in different parts of the same lifespan, (or close to it) then it is to bash a person (and I’ve done my part, sad to say) that just may have some sort of affliction, physical or mental. I can’t figure this soul out…quite lucid at some points…and extremely incoherent at other points.
Debate, even strong, can lead to expansion of the mind…and I thought that was one of the reasons for being on this plane, at this time.
The Cid must get his rest…ridding Spain of backward thinkers, ain’t easy a job….:).
- So you two may be in vehement agreement, actually.
That’s why I amended my comment to reflect disagreement with the conclusion, not the framing of the argument.
He-e-e-y. Nobody vehemently agrees with me and gets away with it! I shall take this up with my attorneys.
St. Brendan: now there’s fake humility for you; discovers a continent, and he calls himself a saint. Hmmmph!
Oh, BTW, I keep seeing the word or acronym, “PIMF”. What does that mean? Something like “Please Ignore My Fatuity”?
- pimf=paco is mellifluously flamboyantPosted by MentalFloss on 2006 05 24 at 11:18 PM • permalink
- WTF were these political activists doing at a public high school?
Imagine the hooey if the ADF lobbed onto public school property with a recruitment team uninvited- perhaps some pertinet questions should be directed to the Qld Education Department?
Here’s the contact page for anyone who can be arsed getting the usual run-around, kerfuffle, denial, fobbing off and surly indifference.
- I humbly defer to Crash’s Pinmf if’n, whatever it is.Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 05 25 at 12:41 PM • permalink
- 82 Cruella
the Catholic Church is a worldwide organization, and I rather doubt it is exempt from taxes in every single country.
Doubt is good, but examples would be better.
97 Triticale
It’s one thing to bash all Catholics, but why single out the nice gratuitous Catholics to pick on?
They’re less likely to kick my ass for it when I do, is why. Of course.
98 I humbly defer to Crash’s Paco-inimical Pinmf if’n, whatever it is, then. At least, I think I do.
Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 05 26 at 12:45 PM • permalink
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He re enlisted of his own free will? And Bush is to blame?