Money not evil after all

Last updated on July 16th, 2017 at 02:11 pm

August 18 – the SMH’s Wendy Frew condemns wealth as a cause of global warming:

Over-consumption is, literally, costing the earth … Every $100 spent on clothing generates 70 kilograms of greenhouse pollution … One of the main findings of the report, Consuming Australia, is that the more people earn, the more they spend.

August 21 – the SMH’s Wendy Frew wins a big cash prize:

Sydney Morning Herald Environment writer Wendy Frew has been awarded the 2007 Australian Government Peter Hunt Eureka Prize for Environmental Journalism for an impressive series of articles on climate change …

The Australian Government Peter Hunt Eureka Prize for Environmental Journalism is Australia’s most significant cash award for environmental journalism.

Posted by Tim B. on 08/23/2007 at 05:04 AM
    1. Yes, she won a cash prize.  But that doesn’t mean she will spend it.  She will likely donate it to an environmental organization rather than spend it on clothes or perhaps a new car.  Right Wendy?  Wendy?

      Posted by wronwright on 2007 08 23 at 05:18 AM • permalink

 

    1. Whoa!  Just like me with the cash prize I’ll receive for being the first to post to their comment thread.  Let’s see.  Should I donate the money to Greenpeace?  How about the church?

      Well fuck that shit.  I’m getting me a Hummer.  And maybe a zoot suit.

      Posted by wronwright on 2007 08 23 at 05:22 AM • permalink

 

    1. Have a gander through the other winners and the categories they won. They’re very 5/10 at best and embarrassing at worst, excluding the entry that won the Science Photography award – Levitated Drop Of Blood.

      Posted by Jack Lacton on 2007 08 23 at 05:28 AM • permalink

 

    1. What a peachy coincidence. I am in possession of some first rate carbon credits which I simply must offload to a person of virtue fair and true. You can contact me through the bloghead, Wendy.

      Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 08 23 at 05:34 AM • permalink

 

    1. Only one ethical place to spend the money – Big Al’s Carbon Credit Mega Barn.  And if you place your order before midnight Sunday, you receive one DVD of An Inconvenient Truth!

      After Sunday they go back to their regular deal, five copies of the DVD per purchase.

      Posted by Steve Skubinna on 2007 08 23 at 05:38 AM • permalink

 

    1. If you’re not cooling us, you’re warming us. Die! Yeah, er… thanks, Wendy.
      Here’s an even better idea, while we’re on the subject. Instead of carping about Australians producing more warmy stuff per capita, let’s measure warmy stuff output per square kilometre of each country’s land mass.
      It’ll put the rampant overpopulators on the basis where they should be.
Posted by blogstrop on 2007 08 23 at 05:56 AM • permalink

 

    1. From the Australian Museum site.

      The even-handed and insightful manner in which Frew addresses each subject, weighing all possibilities and opinions against each other and providing her readership with the tools to make up their own minds, sets her writing apart

      So I’m glad she’s been even handed.
      She has provided her readers with links to sites such as climateaudit.org, Michael Crichton’s speeches (Crichton was in the running for this award but sadly, was ruled out because he was not Australian) and articles by prominent skeptics (Richard Lindzen, for instance, has been interviewed by her numerous times so much so that she has been referred to unflatteringly as a “Lindzenite” by warming believers).
      She has written profiles of prominent Australian skeptics such as Ian Plimer, and given informed yet concise summaries of the main skeptical arguments, including those made in the Intelligence Squared debate.
      She has pointed out the futility of the Kyoto treaty now that the largest CO2 producer is China (having recently overtaken the US for the top spot), a nation that is not, and never was, a signatory to the treaty.
      Her review of The Skeptical Environmentalist by Bjorn Lomborg was superb, and her explanation of the arguments surrounding arcane issues such as the hockey stick hoax, the heat island effect and its importance in understanding the Brazilian heat record, were outstanding. Her fearless questioning of NASA spokespeople over the recalibrating last year of all existing US temperature data (NASA now admits that 1934, not 1998, was the hottest year ever, although they say this is doesn’t matter), makes her worthy of the highest accolades of journalism.

      Posted by daddy dave on 2007 08 23 at 05:56 AM • permalink

 

    1. [/sarcasm]

      Posted by daddy dave on 2007 08 23 at 06:16 AM • permalink

 

    1. She’s already announced that she intends to compost the cash.

      Posted by arrowhead ripper on 2007 08 23 at 06:38 AM • permalink

 

    1. #7 DD, I think that China might actually be a signatory to Kyoto, but, as a developig country, is only required to enjoy a warm and fuzzy feeling for having done so.

      (I noticed that I had misspelt developing, but on reflection the misspelling was strangely fitting in the context of carbon emissions, so I left it alone)

      Posted by entropy on 2007 08 23 at 06:42 AM • permalink

 

    1. “She will likely donate it to an environmental organization rather than spend it on clothes or perhaps a new car.  Right Wendy?”

      No, she can’t do that. Because the environmental organization would then spend the money, and that would Destroy The Earth. To be true to her stated principles, Wendy must make sure that no one spends this money on anything.

      I look forward to seeing her burn the money—no, scratch that. Burning produces greenhouse gases. That would be eeeeeevil.

      I look forward to seeing her feed the money into a shredder in a public ceremony on the steps of the SMH’s corporate headquarters. The resulting mulch can be spread on the plantation of trees that I assume the SMH maintains to replace the ones that are slaughtered every day and sacrificed to produce the SMH’s print edition.

      Posted by sundog on 2007 08 23 at 06:45 AM • permalink

 

    1. #10 you are right entropy.

      Posted by daddy dave on 2007 08 23 at 06:53 AM • permalink

 

    1. Every $100 spent on clothing generates 70 kilograms of greenhouse pollution …

      Unless the clothes you buy are made in China, because they are exempt.

      Also, I assume this means shirt from Target costs 18 kg and a shirt from Versace costs 700kg.

      Posted by Zoidberg on 2007 08 23 at 07:03 AM • permalink

 

    1. You square-o Nixonian flat tyres just don’t get it, man- it’s only when you consumer-fascists spend your own money on facile goods and luxury services that Gaiea gets cornholed and pops a fever, when the perpetually anxious, caring and supevisory are given a wedge of your cash, they invest it in dunking Mother Earth in an ice bath. After all, when you crochet your own tampons, excrete your own yoghurt (due to cultivation of postive chi bacteria in bodily orifi) and are one with cetaceans, you have no need for filthy capitalist cash- the term “cash prize” used in the press release was a contextual insert so dumb proles could understand the concept- what she’s getting is in fact a wheelbarrow full of smug, which she will lavish on other stratospheric descent believers.

      Recycled material sourced bicycles and hemp undies for everyone!!

      (BTW- I listened during the week to a ratbag describing how he made his rock festival carbon neutral- the University of NSW gave him a dump-truck full of ackers which he blew on buying a stand of bamboo some cunning cockie was going to bulldoze and burn, which they used to build a tent from which to hector attendees on the evils of their very existence. Most wandered past to get wasted, dump garbage everywhere, pollute the air with their malodourous armpits, overpriced Mullumbimby ditchweed and parasite-infested dreadlocks, further pollute the air and clog the roads with their oil-fume belching Kombis and fill the composting dunnies to overflowing with their explosive diahorrea-fueled emissions; they did however have power to the site provided by biodiesel gensets and solar panels- what comes out the exhaust of a biodiesel fueled engine, Einstein, patchouli vapours? What are solar cells made from- discarded bodyhair? Bugger Blairs Law- I reckon Habibs Law* has moved from theory to confirmed and irrefutable) .

      *Evolution peaked in the early sixties, and devolution kicked in. Homo Sapiens has been getting steadily stupider since, and at an accelerating rate. Within ten generations the dominant species will probably be cats, or those sharks from Deep Blue Sea.

      Posted by Habib on 2007 08 23 at 07:06 AM • permalink

 

    1. Note- like all laws applying to natural selection, there are exceptions to the general trend- muatations are always possible, and not always retrograde.

      Posted by Habib on 2007 08 23 at 07:20 AM • permalink

 

    1. Habib, there is a beautiful child at the cafe I visit in the morning who has that mutation. She’s just gorgeous.

      Posted by kae on 2007 08 23 at 07:32 AM • permalink

 

    1. Appears Frew dosn’t like talking to scientists:

      Thanksfor the plug for the article in Cosmos Magazine (http://www.cosmosmagazine.com). I was disappointed to see ABC TV’s Lateline – and later ABC News Online – do the piece without attribution. But obviously, there are observant people out there who spotted it.

      I think it’s incredibly important to discuss future energy options rationally, and the article oin thorium reactors is our contribution. Just don’t try and bring it up with the SMH in Sydney – you will get shouted down (and hung up on), as I was today by Wendy Frew, author of this strangely unbalanced piece (see below).

      Cheers,

      Wilson da Silva
      Editor, Cosmos Magazine

      Nuclear no cure for climate change, scientists warn

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 07:43 AM • permalink

 

    1. Whoa! Clicked on the second link, that wasn’t the Eufreka prize, by any chance?

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 07:54 AM • permalink

 

    1. Habib, kae, rednuts make up 50/50 of my immediate and extended family. No prizes for guessing the ethnic origins. Shades of autumn from ginger blond toeye-popping russet to deep auburn. Also white blond and darkest boring brown. The red doesn’t seem to be breeding out either, as the younger kids are also throwing red in varying shades.
      I think it will take longer than 95 years to breed the red out of my family.BTW, Habib, the cats have already taken over, most people just haven’t realised. Be very afraid of ginger toms.

      Posted by mareeS on 2007 08 23 at 07:59 AM • permalink

 

    1. Anyone know where Chez Frew might be? I’d hazard a guess that her inner city humpy will be sporting a few more cardboard boxes on bin night, say for a new plasma TV.

      What’s the bet the silly bint squanders her spondooliks on Gaia Grating Goodies?

      Posted by Nic on 2007 08 23 at 08:03 AM • permalink

 


    1. bad eggoff?

      phew!

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 08:05 AM • permalink

 

    1. Paco Textiles, Inc., will soon be offering t-shirts with Blair’s Law on the front and Habib’s Law on the back. Made of Care-Vlar™, they will also be bullet-proof.

      Posted by paco on 2007 08 23 at 08:08 AM • permalink

 

    1. someone opened the italics box…and it wasn’t me!

      Anyone watching “Difference of Opinion” on ABC? Usual ABC stack of 3 against 1, but the mad woman from Monash Uni in the leopard skin suit…what can you say, except kill her now?

      Posted by mareeS on 2007 08 23 at 08:11 AM • permalink

 

    1. egg—that wasn’t the only mistake you made, I removed the stray italics tag, and also enclosed your quote in the proper “quote” tag (that’s what that button’s for), and I also put your long url into a link (that’s what that button is for). I did all that because I’m in a good mood. At the moment. Those moments are few and far between—use the Preview button to make sure your formatting is done right.

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 08 23 at 08:12 AM • permalink

 

    1. #24
      Tks ma’m, egg’s only unintentional blue was the final italics closure, but will endeavour to use the somewhat ugly quote thangy in future.

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 08:21 AM • permalink

 

    1. Laugh or Cry?

      Posted by aaron_ on 2007 08 23 at 08:22 AM • permalink

 

    1. Them bolds is gettin spensive egg!

      Posted by aaron_ on 2007 08 23 at 08:23 AM • permalink

 

    1. Habib

      “excrete your own yoghurt”
      Tried it… its overrated….

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 08 23 at 08:24 AM • permalink

 

    1. The Peter Hunt – Eureka! – Prize? Well, I’m glad Wendy finally found what she was looking for.

      Posted by paco on 2007 08 23 at 08:27 AM • permalink

 

    1. #24
      Ahem, the last line, including the url, is part of the quote (refer site linked to in the first line).
      /devilled egg_

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 08:29 AM • permalink

 

    1. #26
      (Does all of his HTML manually and gets condescended to on his first ever? blue ;)’

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 08:32 AM • permalink

 

    1. Egg – Just remember: don’t run with italics.

      Posted by paco on 2007 08 23 at 08:36 AM • permalink

 

    1. I was thinking of writing a book about an environmental journo who wins a large cash prize and goes mad at the thought of her hypocracy.

      Its title? One Frew over the cuckoos nest.

      Posted by Nic on 2007 08 23 at 08:42 AM • permalink

 

    1. #32 🙂
      I think what our mistress is saying is that the (rest of) the entire page will still be formatted in italics in preview mode to indicate that you haven’t successfully closed off the italics, even if italics close is the last entry of your post? … apologies for the pedantry, trying to make it easier for all (esp the boss)
      /normal viewing

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 08:44 AM • permalink

 

    1. #33 🙂
      Was working on something like that, but frew it away …

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 08:45 AM • permalink

 

    1. italics………off.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 08 23 at 08:46 AM • permalink

 

    1. #17

      Appears Frew dosn’t like talking to scientists

      That explains a lot. As the old saying goes, “Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.”

      Posted by daddy dave on 2007 08 23 at 08:47 AM • permalink

 

    1. #37
      I guess apocalyptologists are OK … wasn’t Flummers one of the chiefs at the Australian Museum, home of this prize … coincidence?

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 08:53 AM • permalink

 

    1. #33
      Frew up for prize

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 08:57 AM • permalink

 

    1. Hmmm. Behind the news cycle again, I see

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 08 23 at 08:59 AM • permalink

 

    1. OT:

      Looks like the Rudder’s been hanging around bars since a kid

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 09:06 AM • permalink

 

    1. #33 The Shaming of the Frew

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2007 08 23 at 09:17 AM • permalink

 

    1. yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy habib’s back

      the imams have pronounced on recycling:

      Answered by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani, SunniPath Academy Teacher
      Is it permissible to recycle in Islam i.e put waste in black recycling boxes for the council to collect.

      Walaikum assalam wa rahmatullah,

      I pray this finds you in the best of health and spirits.

      Waste—using things beyond need—is reprehensible in Islam; and economy is praiseworthy. Insofar as recycling promotes waste-reduction and economy, it is praiseworthy and those who recycle would be worthy of reward if their intentions are correct.

      And Allah alone gives success.

      Posted by KK on 2007 08 23 at 09:20 AM • permalink

 

    1. Time for a song:

      Whale’s flesh on toast and koala fur mittens
      Lots of cleared forest and species gone missing
      All the fun that a large V8 brings
      These are a frew of my favorite things

      When the SMH prints shite
      and my head rings
      When I’m feeling madder than mad
      I simply remember a frew of my favorite things
      And then I don’t feel so bad

      Posted by Nic on 2007 08 23 at 09:20 AM • permalink

 

    1. Ohhh TB, you get the prize, that’s a beauty.

      How about a sequel: For a Frew dollars more?

      Posted by Nic on 2007 08 23 at 09:22 AM • permalink

 

    1. A Frew Dollars More

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 09:22 AM • permalink

 

    1. Egg!

      Posted by Nic on 2007 08 23 at 09:22 AM • permalink

 

    1. #42
      Requires A Frew Good Men?

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 09:24 AM • permalink

 

    1. #45 Dang!
      Some wish she was a woman of frew words?

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 09:26 AM • permalink

 

    1. Eureka Prize for Bird Frew

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 09:29 AM • permalink

 

    1. Can’t help singing to myself:

      And bad mistakes, I’ve made a Frew,,,,,,

      Posted by Nic on 2007 08 23 at 09:30 AM • permalink

 

    1. #51
      Give us a frew more songs …

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 09:32 AM • permalink

 

    1. I Heard it Frew the Grape Vine …

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 09:36 AM • permalink

 

    1. tonstant weader frewed up (apologies to dorothy parker)

      Posted by KK on 2007 08 23 at 09:39 AM • permalink

 

    1. Sad case. Took the money, over-consumed and frew up.

      Ah well. So much spent by so many to sew up Frew.

      Posted by geoff on 2007 08 23 at 09:44 AM • permalink

 

    1. Hmmm. Behind the news cycle again, I see.

      If you say so

      or choose to do otherwise?

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 09:56 AM • permalink

 

    1. I have a really simple question – why in Science’s name is a government handing out awards to journalists?  That, on the face of it, just seems wrong to me.

      One way or another it’s a case of government sanctioning journalism and the subject matter and point of view of that journalism.  And the journalist.  That shouldn’t be any government’s role, as far as I can see.  In the US, not only do we believe in the separation of Church and State, but also the separation of Journalism and State.  Surely taxpayer money would be better spent on addressing national priorities of all citizens and not in granting government approval to a specific journalistic point of view.

      Posted by kcom on 2007 08 23 at 10:18 AM • permalink

 

    1. Allah Alone Gives Success

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 08 23 at 10:23 AM • permalink

 

    1. It is always easy to win first prize when you are the only contestant. You don’t have to satisfy all normal criteria like being the best at it. You just have to show an understanding of the rules of the game enough to abide by them.

      Entrants
      Ms Wendy Frew
      Sydney Morning Herald, NSW

      Posted by Pa Feral on 2007 08 23 at 10:24 AM • permalink

 

    1. She will probably spend most of it on frewt and vege(tarians).

      No Moose or potato peels to be sure.

      She could spend it on my Che Burgers.  They’re like eco-neutral.

      Posted by yojimbo on 2007 08 23 at 10:27 AM • permalink

 

    1. #59
      Noted, beyond parody …

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 10:30 AM • permalink

 

    1. #59
      The only one who frew their hat into the ring …

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 10:32 AM • permalink

 

    1. Ummmmm, Wendy. Make that 2 Triple Cheese Classic’s with 2 Large Fries, please.

      Welcome back, Texas Bob.

      Posted by El Cid on 2007 08 23 at 10:38 AM • permalink

 

    1. Oh, Wendy…To Go…sorry.

      Posted by El Cid on 2007 08 23 at 10:40 AM • permalink

 

    1. the 2007 Australian Government Peter Hunt Eureka Prize for Environmental Journalism .

      And just who the fuck is/was Peter Hunt?

      Is he any relation to Mike?

      And why is the ozgov giving taxpayer money away to ecofascist fuckheads?

      Paco – sorry, I’m back in Vietnam and then to Africa.

      Alas, no Chinggis hat this time

      Posted by Jack from Montreal on 2007 08 23 at 10:46 AM • permalink

 

    1. Australian Government Peter Hunt Eureka Prize for Environmental Journalism

      The Australian Government Peter Hunt Eureka Prize for Environmental Journalism is sponsored by the Commonwealth Department of Environment and Heritage and is named after the late Australian Broadcasting Corporation science broadcaster, Dr Peter Hunt.

      (In fugly quote format, for the conformists).

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 11:08 AM • permalink

 

    1. Thanks El Cid, nice to be back.

      Every $100 spent on clothing generates 70 kilograms of greenhouse pollution…

      She must be a Texan. We’re all noted masters of making up BS statistics on the fly.

      Every $1000 journalistic prize awarded generates 7000 kilograms of environmental journalism pollution.

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2007 08 23 at 11:13 AM • permalink

 

    1. Kylie & a Firebird: Some kind of bliss

      Just frew that in for Wendy’s (burger joint?)

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 11:33 AM • permalink

 

    1. Based upon #59 I guess this won’t work; “Many are called but frew was chosen.”

      But!  “Never have so many been punished so much by a frew.”

      Posted by yojimbo on 2007 08 23 at 11:35 AM • permalink

 

    1. #68

      Yes, Wendys is a burger joint.

      Glad we have not frewn in the towel on this one.

      Posted by yojimbo on 2007 08 23 at 11:38 AM • permalink

 

    1. “One of the main findings of the report, Consuming Australia, is that the more people earn, the more they spend. “

      Wow. Great study, that. How long did it take for the genius researchers to reach that conclusion?

      Posted by docweasel on 2007 08 23 at 12:26 PM • permalink

 

    1. Probably far less time than it took them to complete the paperwork for the grant which was probably the main purpose.

      Posted by yojimbo on 2007 08 23 at 02:05 PM • permalink

 

    1. “most significant cash award for environmental journalism”?

      So, what, it’s A$10?

      (Okay, okay, so it appears to be $10,000. But still.)

      Posted by Sigivald on 2007 08 23 at 02:05 PM • permalink

 

    1. There are a frew too many puns in this thread.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2007 08 23 at 03:27 PM • permalink

 

    1. Hmmmm.

      Save the planet, walk around stark naked.

      I wonder if that’ll catch on with college co-ed?

      Posted by memomachine on 2007 08 23 at 03:37 PM • permalink

 

    1. Egg: fixed the quote. The blockquote formatting is rather plain. I might add a light shading to it or something, to better distinguish it from the regular text.

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 08 23 at 05:11 PM • permalink

 

    1. The Frew, the Plod, the Martini …

      Cheers

      Posted by J.M. Heinrichs on 2007 08 23 at 05:20 PM • permalink

 

    1. Has this been mentioned…

      The taming of the Frew.

      Posted by El Cid on 2007 08 23 at 06:00 PM • permalink

 

    1. You mean there was an italics/boldbath last night and I MISSED IT?

      Sheesh.

      That was a lucky escape, egg!

      ******

      Allah alone gives success.
      It is the will of Allah.

      Funny how it’s all up to Allah, but the absolute shitholes* they live in and their stupidity and inability to progress into the 21st Century have all been caused by Amerikka and the decadent west.

      Morons.

      And they’re trying to turn the west into a backward shithole, too.

      Posted by kae on 2007 08 23 at 06:04 PM • permalink

 

    1. #65 Jack

      Peter Hunt is no relation to Mike, but the younger brother of Eric.

      Posted by Pickles on 2007 08 23 at 06:13 PM • permalink

 

    1. “Never in the field of human conflict
      was so much owed by so frew to so many.”

      Apologies to Sir Winston.

      Posted by kae on 2007 08 23 at 06:13 PM • permalink

 

    1. Thus spake our dread mistress:

      The blockquote formatting is rather plain. I might add a light shading to it or something, to better distinguish it from the regular text.

      Ooh!  Ooh!  Would you, would you please,O Gracious and Terrible One?  Pretty please with mead, whipped puree of leftie, and Tim Flannery’s nuts on top???

      Seriously, I, for one, would find it much easier to read.  Little Green Footballs (yes—gasp!—I’m one of *THEM*, too) also uses a slightly smaller typeface for blockquotes, but I think that just having the shading would be better.

      Posted by Mary in LA on 2007 08 23 at 06:18 PM • permalink

 

    1. #23 marees

      Posted by Pickles on 2007 08 23 at 06:23 PM • permalink

 

    1. Ooops

      #23 marees

      Oh, I dunno, I thought that Professor James Allan got a few knuckles on the eyebrows on Burnside and that lepoard skin tradgedy ?

      No transcript yet

      I thought it was a goody..McMullen thought it was his usual 3/1 set up but slipped on his arse

      Posted by Pickles on 2007 08 23 at 06:25 PM • permalink

 

    1. #76 Tks boss! 🙂
      (Frew! Close call … 🙂

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 06:45 PM • permalink

 

    1. #79
      Yeah hard bold egg …

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 06:47 PM • permalink

 

    1. #80
      Aren’t they over near Skid and the Marx family?

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 06:50 PM • permalink

 

    1. Motley Frew takes out Eureka

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 06:52 PM • permalink

 

    1. #82
      Hear! Hear!
      Sans Flannery’s nuts, tks.

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 06:56 PM • permalink

 

    1. #81
      I think the quote’s to do with Government grants…

      Posted by kae on 2007 08 23 at 07:08 PM • permalink

 

    1. #84
      In the intro to the RN Breaky weekly discussion panel this a.m., Franny’s spin on the Rudder was that it was a 15 min* visit to a strip club … is that akin to being a bit pregnant?*It would prolly only take him 15 min to f*ck the country, too.

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 07:22 PM • permalink

 

    1. It’s Friday.
      It’s raining – but we need it. (A low pressure system off the east coast and now one in central Queensland have given us weather rather reminsicent of that I endured in New Caldeonia over the new year…)Here’s something I just received via email. Have a laugh.

      Jim & Edna were both patients in a mental hospital.

      One day while they were walking past the hospital swimming pool, Jim suddenly jumped into the deep end.

      He sank to the bottom of the pool and stayed there.
      Edna promptly jumped in to save him. She swam to the bottom and pulled Jim out.

      When the Head Nurse Director became aware of Edna’s heroic act, she immediately ordered her to be discharged from the hospital, as she now considered her to be mentally stable.

      When she went to tell Edna the news she said, ‘Edna, I have good news and bad news. The good news is you’re being discharged; since you were able to rationally to a crisis by jumping in the pool and saving the life of another person.’

      ‘The bad news is… Jim, the patient you saved, hung himself in the bathroom with his bathrobe belt right after you saved him. I am so sorry, but he’s dead’.

      Edna laughed and replied, ‘He didn’t hang himself, I put him there to dry.
      How soon can I go home?’

      Posted by kae on 2007 08 23 at 07:29 PM • permalink

 

    1. Sans Flannery’s nuts, tks.

      Oh, gee, egg_, now you tell me!  Well, just scrape ‘em off… good luck picking them out from between the chocolate sprinkles, though…  😉

      Posted by Mary in LA on 2007 08 23 at 07:36 PM • permalink

 

    1. Kae,

      One sick joke deserves another!  🙂

      A farmer drove past the local mental institution, pulling a trailerload of manure behind his tractor.  One of the patients waved at him over the garden fence and called out, “What’s in the trailer?”
      “Manure,” replied the farmer.
      “What’re you going to do with it?”
      “Put it on strawberries.”
      Said the patient, “You ought to live in here!  We get sugar and cream on them.”

      Posted by Mary in LA on 2007 08 23 at 07:41 PM • permalink

 

    1. Rudd targets Howard on Wikipedia changes

      But to engage public servants to go out there and re-edit history, strikes me as odd to say the least.

      Rudd being the authority on such matters:

      Hour or so40 minute … 15 minute strip club visit
      Too drunk … didn’t finish one beer

      Mr Incredible!

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 07:44 PM • permalink

 

    1. I have a really simple question – why in Science’s name is a government handing out awards to journalists?  That, on the face of it, just seems wrong to me.

      a very good point, kcom.
      I would amend that to
      “why for f***‘s sake is a Conservative Government doing this?” I think it shows that the power of the Government to keep the bureaucracy in line is limited.

      Posted by daddy dave on 2007 08 23 at 07:55 PM • permalink

 

    1. #95
      Oh, I heard rudd.He schnuffles when he talks.

      That and licking the lips.

      Ick.

      Mr Incredible Mr Bullshit.

      Posted by kae on 2007 08 23 at 07:57 PM • permalink

 

    1. Gosh I feel ever so smart today!

      Tim Blair keeps posting things people are saying cause global warming… So i’m keeping track – so we know what we will be missing out on, once we go progressively towards a 90% reduction…

      Posted by Admonkeystrator on 2007 08 23 at 07:57 PM • permalink

 

    1. High Court judge criticises media coverage

      Justice Kirby told young lawyers in Sydney last night the media sometimes treats court cases in a superficial manner and over-simplifies important issues.
      He says journalists should keep their personal value judgments out of their stories.

      But it’s OK for Haneef’s lawyer to dump stuff into the public arena?
      Jackass!

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 08:01 PM • permalink

 

    1. #95 I’m in two minds about this wikipedia scandal.
      On the one hand, it shows how easily wikipedia is corruptable. Some of us already knew that, but apparently this is news to most people.But on the other hand, it’s the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. That’s its weakness and its strength.
      Anyone includes people who know lots about the topic. Those people usually have a vested interest in the topic. For instance, nobody will be able to contribute more factual information about the Departmnet of Defence than someone who actually works there. It might also happen that they have a pro-DoD slant, but that’s how it goes. Everyone has a slant.

      Besides, until this wiki-PR thing really took off, wikipedia had a somewhat left-wing bias, but I don’t think that you could say that today.

      Posted by daddy dave on 2007 08 23 at 08:01 PM • permalink

 

    1. #86
      Owch.
      Better ‘n being scrambled.
      I think.

      Posted by kae on 2007 08 23 at 08:02 PM • permalink

 

    1. #100
      The consensus here?
      We source it, but it is largely self-regulating, which has its pros and cons.

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 08:07 PM • permalink

 

    1. #99 Kirby saying Journos “should keep their personal value judgments out of their” work is the pot calling the kettle black.

      Posted by lingus4 on 2007 08 23 at 08:32 PM • permalink

 

    1. Kevni – time to come outta the closet?

      Maybe his ‘ladyfriend’ was packing extra luggage downstairs?

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 08:38 PM • permalink

 

    1. #104 egg

      Kevin Bloody Rudd (the Born Again Piss Tank) should learn to exercise caution in such unguarded moments

      Posted by Pickles on 2007 08 23 at 09:02 PM • permalink

 

    1. When it comes to money, I’m like that Wodehouse character (can’t remember which one): it wasn’t that he was motivated by an all-consuming greed; he just loved the stuff.

      Posted by paco on 2007 08 23 at 09:03 PM • permalink

 

    1. #11 …but…but…as that mulch mulches (?) there will be CO2 generated!!!

      Oh no!!! We are all going to die!!! DIE, I TELL YOU, DIE
      (runs around in circles waving arms in air)

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 08 23 at 09:03 PM • permalink

 

    1. #95 EGG_, don’t be so hard on Kevni… he was obviously rudderless at the time.

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 08 23 at 09:08 PM • permalink

 

    1. #105 pickles
      They could prolly tell he had hungry eyes

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 09:11 PM • permalink

 

    1. Ok, Andycanuck, wimpycanadian: I’m afraid we’re going to have to ask you boys for some DNA samples.

      Posted by paco on 2007 08 23 at 09:18 PM • permalink

 

    1. Somewhere in Australia, Tim Flimflammery is crouching in a corner, lovingly stroking whatever stupid tchotchke he was given when he was made Australian!  Of!  The!  Year!, and hissing to himself, “The nasty Wendy-woman wins a prize, but it’s not you, my precious!  Nasty Wendy-woman – she can never have you, precious!  The thought of her touching you as Australian of the Year burns us, it does!”

      Then again, he may very well be too busy bumping uglies with Mo Dawood-Hicks to have heard about this yet.

      Posted by Blue State Sil on 2007 08 23 at 09:32 PM • permalink

 

    1. Anyone who can find the amount of the prize-money is obviously a better google driver than me. This seems to be a state secret.

      Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 08 23 at 09:36 PM • permalink

 

    1. Hey, yojimbo, Old Tanker; think you could handle one of these?

      Posted by paco on 2007 08 23 at 09:37 PM • permalink

 

    1. #113 paco

      Now you’re talkin..

      Posted by Pickles on 2007 08 23 at 09:42 PM • permalink

 

    1. While we wait for Wronwright’s baby picture, thought y’all might like to see some photos from the Paco family album.

      Posted by paco on 2007 08 23 at 09:58 PM • permalink

 

    1. Speaking of Wronwright, looks like that boy has some ‘splainin’ to do.

      Posted by paco on 2007 08 23 at 10:05 PM • permalink

 

    1. That’s a fine family you have there, Paco.

      That “lady” in the hot pants looks like my grandmother.

      Think we may be related? cousin? 😉

      Posted by Pogria on 2007 08 23 at 10:12 PM • permalink

 

    1. #117: Could be, Pogria, could be. I’ll consider the possibilities while I take me a chaw of “Redman” and watch a rerun of Hee Haw.

      Posted by paco on 2007 08 23 at 10:43 PM • permalink

 

    1. #114 Pickles: Yeah, she’s got a right smart kick, ain’t she?

      But here’s something curious about the video: who are all those Taliban-looking dudes, wearing nightshirts and tea cosies?

      Posted by paco on 2007 08 23 at 10:55 PM • permalink

 

    1. Hey Paco,

      my sister married one of your local boys when she went there on holiday.

      They had a beautiful baby boy just last year. 🙂

      Posted by Pogria on 2007 08 23 at 11:09 PM • permalink

 

    1. #119 paco

      very suss, althought I did see a simiar clip a while ago where the Achmed got snet throught the glass wall with the recoil.

      piss funny

      Posted by Pickles on 2007 08 23 at 11:31 PM • permalink

 

    1. #112
      $10k back in ‘05

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 23 at 11:47 PM • permalink

 

    1. Every $100 spent on clothing generates 70 kilograms of greenhouse pollution…

      How much pollution does a koala suit generate?  And I am thinking of the entire life cycle costs here, which includes all the hot air spouted by those wearing the suit as they stand on the footpath annoying innocent passers-by.

      As for Andrea fixing the italics, does that constitute a form of recycling?  If she takes them back, do they go into a bucket where they can be reused by someone else?  If that’s the case, then on principal, shouldn’t we set fire to them or something?

      Posted by mr creosote on 2007 08 23 at 11:51 PM • permalink

 

    1. #113 Paco

      You mean…..loaded!? Land sakes alive and mercy me!

      I don’t know what it is since I am on d..i..a..l..u..p and cannot avail myself of those fancy video thingies.

      Posted by yojimbo on 2007 08 24 at 12:01 AM • permalink

 

    1. #122
      Same in 2007 includes 4 finalists
      [PDF download]
      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 24 at 12:05 AM • permalink

 

    1. Good job egg.

      10 grand is a bit more than a pat on the back isn’t it? – no wonder they are embarrassed to report on it.

      Enough for 7 tonnes of clothing related greenhouse emissions.

      Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 08 24 at 12:16 AM • permalink

 

    1. Hi margos.

      Posted by 1.618 on 2007 08 24 at 12:31 AM • permalink

 

 

    1. Wendy Frew for sustained, critical and probing coverage throughout the year of Australia’s climate change debate. (Sydney Morning Herald)

      How on God’s green earth do you cover a deabte that’s not only settled, but not taking place? Hand back the 10,000 clams you smug twat.

      Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 08 24 at 12:40 AM • permalink

 

    1. #126 No probs, MM

      #122
      FYI: Auntie’s code of practice, subject of the Minister’s complaint

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 24 at 12:42 AM • permalink

 

    1. #128
      Haneef’s colleague sacked

      – AN Indian doctor who admitted to forging his resume has been dismissed from his job at the Gold Coast Hospital.

      Queensland Health said Dr Mohammed Asif Ali’s employment had been terminated based on his admission that he deliberately included false information in the resume he provided to the department.

      I just heard this on the radio.
      Interesting that we’ve been told his medical ability hasn’t been questioned, it’s just the big fat hairy lies fibs he told on his CV that are the problem.

      I’ve heard that it happens all the time, people embellish their CVs. Well, I never have and I never would. It’s dishonest.

      I wouldn’t be happy about letting him back here to practise, especially if he’s lied about qualifications on his CV.

      Posted by kae on 2007 08 24 at 12:44 AM • permalink

 

    1. I wouldn’t be happy about letting him back here to practise, especially if he’s lied about qualifications his experience on his CV.

      corrected.

      Posted by kae on 2007 08 24 at 12:45 AM • permalink

 

    1. Qld’s wild weather caused by ‘freak event’

      Wot, no mention of AGW, surely not!

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 24 at 12:45 AM • permalink

 

    1. Exactly Kae! The AMA have alot to answer for.

      Posted by 1.618 on 2007 08 24 at 12:47 AM • permalink

 

    1. #131
      Forgot to add to CV:Short course on explosives?

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 24 at 12:47 AM • permalink

 

    1. #133

      I dunno, they’ve been caning the “planetary destruction” line on local ABC for several days, but not connecting it to the “freakish weather” we’ve been experiencing.

      Posted by kae on 2007 08 24 at 12:49 AM • permalink

 

    1. #133
      Qld’s Rudd’s wild weather behaviour caused by ‘freak event’

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 24 at 12:52 AM • permalink

 

    1. The Qld AMA head shot down Rudd’s $2b take over all 750 public hospitals in every state kite.

      1. Annual budget in Qld for the public hospitals $7b.

      2. How far is $2b between the states and territories’ 750 hospitals OVER FOUR YEARS going to go?

      After hearing it explained like that surely people will wake up?

      I can’t find any link, sorry.

      Posted by kae on 2007 08 24 at 01:00 AM • permalink

 

    1. #129

      Warming debate still over

      by Wendy Frew

      The debate about global warming was still over this afternoon, Sydney time, because denialists are scum suckers who are in the pockets of big oil.

      Also, denialists have no real qualifications in weather predicting, according to palaeontologist and Godlike individual Professor Tim Flannery.

      “These so called global warming expert denialists can all go choke on a big piece of nuclear waste,” Professor Flannery told an audience of 23,000 at the Honolulu Convention Centre.

      “Meanwhile, we can all make do with the buffet. Which side of this debate are you on?”

      Later, speaking from Suite 1401, Professor Flannery said the debate was now even more over following his address.

      “Scientists have always been good at predicting long-term weather, and new information of consequence never turns up,” Professor Flannery said. “This debate is so over.”

      “Can you believe the size of the Toblerone in the mini bar?” Professor Flannery concluded. “Would you like a nibble?”

      Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 08 24 at 01:06 AM • permalink

 

    1. 120# Pog. That’s plagiarism. That’s my sister and me. Don’t know the dog though. Must have been superimposed at film stage.

      Posted by mehaul on 2007 08 24 at 01:08 AM • permalink

 

    1. Warming debate still over – Lofty disdain still going strong.

      Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 08 24 at 01:09 AM • permalink

 

    1. Toblerones are meant to be big really big!

      Posted by 1.618 on 2007 08 24 at 01:11 AM • permalink

 

    1. The mini is meant for denying you ever drank anything from it!

      Posted by 1.618 on 2007 08 24 at 01:13 AM • permalink

 

    1. bar

      Posted by 1.618 on 2007 08 24 at 01:14 AM • permalink

 

    1. #138
      The Rudder’s now said that the hospitals takeover is an issue for the 2010 election, he’s just gonna inject $2b into the cistern system… put off til tomorrow what you can’t do today

      … juz like cutting carbon emissions by 60% in 50 years

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 24 at 01:14 AM • permalink

 

    1. #144
      Rumour is he’s got a mini bar …

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 24 at 01:15 AM • permalink

 

    1. Toblerone?

      Nobody likes Toblerone.

      I have one I got a few Christmases back, it’s in the fridge.

      I must toss it out. It’s only useful as a kosh, and even then the little spaces in it make it snap easily.

      Yuck.

      Posted by kae on 2007 08 24 at 01:16 AM • permalink

 

    1. What about Orange Chocolate Kae? YUmmy

      Posted by 1.618 on 2007 08 24 at 01:24 AM • permalink

 

    1. Little yummy triangles YUMMY

      Posted by 1.618 on 2007 08 24 at 01:25 AM • permalink

 

    1. Caramel
      Old Gold with Macadamias
      White Chocolate Rocklea Road
      Cadbury Hazelnut
      Lindt Ballsnot in any particular order

      Posted by kae on 2007 08 24 at 01:27 AM • permalink

 

    1. Dribbles and drools.

      Posted by 1.618 on 2007 08 24 at 01:29 AM • permalink

 

    1. Doco on Moore most damning

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 24 at 01:30 AM • permalink

 

    1. 2GB poll (still open):

      Kevin and the strip club… do you think less of him?

      15%  – More
      53%  – Less
      31%  – Same

      hehe

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 24 at 01:34 AM • permalink

 

    1. If he stripped 100%

      Posted by 1.618 on 2007 08 24 at 01:35 AM • permalink

 

    1. #153 – I’d have to answer same. I still think he’s a snivelling, mendacious, fork tongued, moonfaced, twat head.

      Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 08 24 at 01:40 AM • permalink

 

    1. KevinOh!7 and his girls, girls, girls

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 24 at 01:41 AM • permalink

 

    1. #155

      #153 – I’d have to answer same. I still think he’s a snivelling, mendacious, fork tongued, moonfaced, twat head.

      Bloody hell, you took the words right out of my mouth!!

      Posted by kae on 2007 08 24 at 01:43 AM • permalink

 

    1. You got love Kev and the girls.

      Posted by 1.618 on 2007 08 24 at 01:48 AM • permalink

 

    1. #157
      Rudd tongue-o-meter

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 24 at 01:49 AM • permalink

 

    1. #7 Daddy Dave. As I read your very convincing comment I was thinking this is too good to be true therefore it must be false. It was a great relief to get to the /sarcasm switch in #8.
      I just worry a bit about the moonbat blogs linking to it and not realising what that switch means.

      Posted by Skeeter on 2007 08 24 at 01:52 AM • permalink

 

    1. LABOR leader Kevin Rudd has admitted his personal staff may have made “factual changes” to the online encyclopedia, Wikipedia.

      Posted by 1.618 on 2007 08 24 at 01:54 AM • permalink

 

    1. I’ve tampered with Dork Boys. I said he enjoyed knitting.

      Posted by 1.618 on 2007 08 24 at 01:55 AM • permalink

 

    1. Kevin loves Pole Dancing and going to girly clubs. “Wiki”

      Posted by 1.618 on 2007 08 24 at 01:56 AM • permalink

 

    1. I want another gun thread.  That was the most fun I’ve had on the intertubes in a long time.

      Posted by Hucbald on 2007 08 24 at 01:59 AM • permalink

 

    1. Oakes grills Rudd

      Cop the undisguised look of anger on the runt after this prickly question to Herr Flick, the facade quickly slips …

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 24 at 02:07 AM • permalink

 

    1. 165. Classic

      Posted by 1.618 on 2007 08 24 at 02:15 AM • permalink

 

    1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Blair

      I changed his wiki again.

      Posted by 1.618 on 2007 08 24 at 02:29 AM • permalink

 

    1. #165 egg
      While at that link, I strayed onto the Julie Bishop “Kevin you’re a naughty boy” clip.Hornbag

      Posted by Pickles on 2007 08 24 at 02:36 AM • permalink

 

    1. #140, mehaul!!,

      You tellin’ me my sister lied to me!!!

      Oh my God!!!

      Then whose baby is that????

      Posted by Pogria on 2007 08 24 at 02:56 AM • permalink

 

    1. #167
      Someday we’ll hear wedding bells?

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 24 at 03:13 AM • permalink

 

    1. #165 – A balanced youtube commenter puts forth his view on Howard:

      ThE Satanic scumbag Howard has the whole cowardly Australian Media in his pocket ,when this Rat is booted out the (Media) should be questioned by a special court – something similar to the Nuremberg trials
      so they will not be allowed to say that they were just following orders. They are as guilty as this War Criminal.

      Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 08 24 at 03:13 AM • permalink

 

    1. #168 pickles
      Yeah Kevni prolly wants to visit her ‘naughty corner’

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 24 at 03:14 AM • permalink

 

    1. #172 egg

      can’t blame him. She really does it for me

      Posted by Pickles on 2007 08 24 at 04:51 AM • permalink

 

    1. #169 Pog. I’m very sorry, but sisters can be like that. And that’s not her baby…it was in a pram she stole from the supermarket. Many Mackay children look like that.

      Posted by mehaul on 2007 08 24 at 05:15 AM • permalink

 

    1. CARBON FOOTPRINT etc

      This has been getting a lot of mileage recently, not least on this greatest of blogs.  Now I’m an old fashioned sort of cove, …….. the last time I had a carbon footprint my old mum gave me a clip across the lug for tracking it on her new lino when I was bringing in a bucket of briquettes…. about half a century ago.

      Now I hear a lot of shit about stuff like doing/not doing this or that is taking 2 million cars off the road, saving/emitting 20 thou tons of carbon, sequestering x tonnes of carbon, blah blah blah.

      What I want to know is who works this shit out, from what bodies of data, and how…..or is it something they just reach around for to fish out.

      And for once…..pleeaasse try and keep it SERIOUS!!!!! ….at least till I get an answer

      Cheers
      RodC

      Posted by Rod C on 2007 08 24 at 05:19 AM • permalink

 

    1. #173 Me too, Pickles. I’ve played that clip five times this afternoon and its worked every time.

      Posted by Skeeter on 2007 08 24 at 05:29 AM • permalink

 

    1. #175
      Beats me RodC how they work it all out.
      Probably use the time-honoured formula of arse-pluck V.

      Posted by kae on 2007 08 24 at 05:53 AM • permalink

 

    1. #174, mehaul, psssst!

      can you keep a secret?

      It’s actually a picture of ash’s baby!!!!

      Posted by Pogria on 2007 08 24 at 07:11 AM • permalink

 

    1. #178 Crap, Pogria.

      My baby is much cuter than that!!!

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 08 24 at 07:22 AM • permalink

 

    1. #179,

      I can’t be sure, you’ve deleted the pix you posted earlier.

      Posted by Pogria on 2007 08 24 at 07:26 AM • permalink

 

    1. #180 You had 32 hours to look, then I took them down. If you want more of a chance, you’ll have to email me.

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 08 24 at 07:43 AM • permalink

 

    1. #181,

      nah,

      been there, done that.

      Posted by Pogria on 2007 08 24 at 08:11 AM • permalink

 

    1. #175 RodC
      The answer is simple. They use the patented Proportional Admeasuring Carbonator (Octahedral model).
      Of course.

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2007 08 24 at 08:39 AM • permalink

 

    1. Mood here in Blacksburg, Virginia…Hopeful and with positive spirit…but a definite somber and sorrowful pall can be seen in eyes.

      VT Memorial

      Victim name misspelled on memorial stone…apology issued and to be corrected.

      Posted by El Cid on 2007 08 24 at 09:04 AM • permalink

 

    1. #184 Thank you for posting that El Cid.

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 08 24 at 09:24 AM • permalink

 

    1. Culture hour?

      Bach – Cello Suite No.1 i-Prelude

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 24 at 10:44 AM • permalink

 

    1. Best Wikipedia pages edited over and over

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 24 at 10:54 AM • permalink

 

    1. o/t words cannot do this justice – behold the appeaser nixon linky

      Posted by KK on 2007 08 24 at 10:57 AM • permalink

 

    1. #188 What I don’t understand is why the “local communities” should get offended by the phrase “war on terror” if they don’t support or take part in terrorism?

      To suggest that an Asian “local community” (what a sickening phrase that is) will get offended by the term is to suggest that it consists of terrorists.

      Posted by ThinAndBritish on 2007 08 24 at 11:23 AM • permalink

 

    1. #175 RodC
      Entropy’s area of expertise?

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 08 24 at 11:49 AM • permalink

 

    1. Plastic Turkey Sighting!!!!
      (Friday’s Counterpunch piece about Michael Deaver.)

      Posted by bugscuffle on 2007 08 24 at 12:00 PM • permalink

 

 

    1. Party at Crittenden’s.

      Heh.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2007 08 24 at 01:01 PM • permalink

 

    1. I think I just frew up.

      Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2007 08 24 at 06:12 PM • permalink

 

  1. #175, Rod C.:

    I’m no expert in any of it, and others may correct me on this, but…

    From what I can tell from having listened to the various yammerers on the issue is:

    They invent whatever numbers that seem best to back whatever agenda they happen to be pushing at that moment. Seriously.

    Posted by Grimmy on 2007 08 25 at 09:59 PM • permalink