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Last updated on August 4th, 2017 at 01:06 pm

These people are out of their minds:

The greenhouse gas cuts Australia must achieve to prevent dangerous climate change may be substantially higher than thought, with modelling to be released today suggesting it should be as much as 95 per cent by 2020.

That’s from the Sydney Morning Herald, a mainstream daily. They would have us believe we must essentially shut down the entire nation – by the way, Australia produces only about 1.5% of the planet’s so-called greenhouse emissions – in order to avert “dangerous climate change”.

(Via Chris S.)

Posted by Tim B. on 07/18/2007 at 12:36 PM
    1. We all need to commit suicide now.

      Screw the children; do it for Gaia.

      Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2007 07 18 at 12:46 PM • permalink

 

    1. I think it would be useful, some day, to update Alexander McKay’s Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds with a long chapter on climate change hysteria. This mania will likely prove to be far more extensive, and have much more diastrous consequences, than the South Sea Bubble or “tulipomania” combined.

      Posted by paco on 2007 07 18 at 12:52 PM • permalink

 

    1. #2: South Sea Bubble AND “tulipomania” combined.

      Posted by paco on 2007 07 18 at 12:54 PM • permalink

 

    1. ‘These people are out of their minds:’

      They’re socialists.  They don’t give a crap how many people suffer or die, as long as their master plan gets followed.

      Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 07 18 at 12:55 PM • permalink

 

    1. This is truly insane territory.

      Stephanie Peatling (whoever she might be, probably a ghost at a melbourne online university) talks of carbon budgets and allocations as if they exist.

      These notions are still the realm of magical thinking. Anyone with a share in a profitmaking company knows this stuff is absolute shite.

      How do you sort people like her without a starlight scope?

      Posted by mareeS on 2007 07 18 at 01:06 PM • permalink

 

    1. Have you guys broken ground yet for Geothermia? Won’t that pretty much solve all your problems?

      Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2007 07 18 at 01:06 PM • permalink

 

    1. Full reporthere, if anyone cares.

      Guess it’s time to start breaking ground on some nuclear power stations!

      Posted by Pixy Misa on 2007 07 18 at 01:11 PM • permalink

 

    1. “They’re soialists.”  Well I’m simply shocked that you would arrive at such a biased view.

      If you would go to their site you would quickly discover that they are nothing more than independent thinktankists.  Predisposed ideological metrics have no home in the world of independent thinktankists.

      Posted by yojimbo on 2007 07 18 at 01:12 PM • permalink

 

    1. mareeS – Don’t blame Stephanie; she summarised the press release more-or-less accurately.  Now, as to why the “Australia Institute” released such an asinine report, I dunno.  Tim’s guess looks good to me.

      Posted by Pixy Misa on 2007 07 18 at 01:14 PM • permalink

 

    1. Who let these guys out of the asylum?

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 07 18 at 01:19 PM • permalink

 

    1. “The greenhouse gas cuts Australia must achieve to prevent dangerous climate change may be substantially higher than thought, with modelling to be released today suggesting it should be as much as 95 per cent by 2020.”

      It’s pretty much impossible to push an idea like that and not be a socialist.  The ONLY way to achieve this goal is if the government takes complete control of the means of production.

      At this point, I’d say it’s pretty obvious that even the truest of the true believers in AGW have no intention of modifying their own extravagant lifestyles to reduce CO2 output, and that means no one is going to do it voluntarily, so it’ll have to be done by force.

      And, that means socialism.

      Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 07 18 at 01:20 PM • permalink

 

    1. pixy, “more or less accurately”????

      Posted by mareeS on 2007 07 18 at 01:25 PM • permalink

 

    1. #11

      The ONLY way to achieve this goal is if the government takes complete control of the means of production.

      And we all know that has worked so well in the past.  These people are the very definition of insanity:  Someone who keeps repeating the same thing while expecting a different outcome.

      Posted by fclark on 2007 07 18 at 01:28 PM • permalink

 

    1. Dave

      Of course they’re socialists!

      I was joking.  Guess I’m going to have to dust off the famed Yojimbo sarcasm button for all future use.

      Posted by yojimbo on 2007 07 18 at 01:32 PM • permalink

 

    1. MODELLING TO BE RELEASED
      WELL, HERE IT IS

      Posted by El Cid on 2007 07 18 at 01:39 PM • permalink

 

    1. #15 El Cid:

      AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 07 18 at 01:42 PM • permalink

 

    1. “I was joking.”

      Yes, I was aware of that.

      I was just elaborating on the idea a bit.

      Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 07 18 at 01:43 PM • permalink

 

    1. Okay, all you folks in Oz.  Stop breathing, no more passing gas, (I never realized how gassy you Aussies are) and no more cattle ranching.  You can buy your beef from us!!!

      El Cid……some things can never be “unseen” please remember that before you put up another link like that!!

      Posted by Old Tanker on 2007 07 18 at 01:47 PM • permalink

 

    1. At last, somebody has a truly scientific plan for combating global warming.

      #15: El Cid, that may be considered felonious assault in some states. Careful.

      Posted by paco on 2007 07 18 at 01:56 PM • permalink

 

    1. El Cid, we are in direct competition on the cattle front. Never will we buy a seppo beast when we have lots of our own. Yours are tame things, ours are absolute brutes that can kill a croc with one stomp. Asians love the flavour.

      Posted by mareeS on 2007 07 18 at 01:58 PM • permalink

 

    1. This is why I’m not worried about these people. They are clearly nuts. Their policy prescriptions need only be outlined for the public and they will be chased off of high cliffs and into the rising sea below. A befitting end that all good lemmings desire anyway.

      95% reduction of carbon emissions in 13 years on the smallest contributing continent (save antarctica) to avoid the extinction of all life on the planet through rising seas. That’s hilarious.

      Posted by The Apologist on 2007 07 18 at 01:58 PM • permalink

 

    1. Ah, more greenhouse gas and climate modelling resulting in more hysterical calls to arms (so to speak).  The models themselves are incomplete and inaccurate, so I suppose we all should collectively (winks at Dave Surls) commit suicide now.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 07 18 at 01:59 PM • permalink

 

    1. #22: so I suppose we all should collectively (winks at Dave Surls) commit suicide now.

      Ok. Hey you greenies! You first!

      Posted by paco on 2007 07 18 at 02:05 PM • permalink

 

    1. They’re socialists.  They don’t give a crap how many people suffer or die, as long as their master plan gets followed

      and they’re exempt from the plan.

      There, I fixed your quote for you, Dave. No need to thank me.

      Stray italics tag removed. However, I have no idea what you were trying to do with this comment—so any further odd formatting is left as is. The Management.

      Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2007 07 18 at 02:14 PM • permalink

 

    1. They’re socialists.  They don’t give a crap how many people suffer or die, as long as their master plan gets followed.

      and they’re exempt from the plan.

      There, I fixed your quote for you, Dave

      Dang!

      Yeah, well, I removed the unclosed italics—again—because I don’t know where you wanted them. You—must—pay—attention to your formatting. The Management.

      Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2007 07 18 at 02:15 PM • permalink

 

    1. Are the italics off?

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 07 18 at 02:19 PM • permalink

 

    1. Oh well. Anyone want vegemite and salt and vinegar chips?

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 07 18 at 02:20 PM • permalink

 

    1. I find Peatling to be an interesting name.  It makes me think of little glowy things flitting about the bog on a summer’s eve, which is about the same level of critical thinking these envirosocialists engage in when they’re calling for 95% reduction in greenhouse emissions.  Simple economics might as well be written in cuneiform for all the understanding they have of it.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2007 07 18 at 02:20 PM • permalink

 

    1.   Okay, who did that?

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2007 07 18 at 02:21 PM • permalink

 

    1. paco, we can even be positive about this, and offer them a small carbon footprint suicide technique.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 07 18 at 02:21 PM • permalink

 

    1. #30 RJ: That way, they can feel smug to the very end. Excellent idea!

      Posted by paco on 2007 07 18 at 02:23 PM • permalink

 

    1. “This is why I’m not worried about these people. They are clearly nuts.”

      Nazis.  Marxists.

      Start worrying.

      Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 07 18 at 02:23 PM • permalink

 

    1. #30, TRJ, That would work, but only if the beams were hacked out with a hand axe, and the rope was made of natural plant fibers cut with a scythe, rolled on your thigh, and braided by hand.  None of these machine-produced execution devices, if you please.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2007 07 18 at 02:24 PM • permalink

 

    1. Now, now, everyone, these people know what’s best for us.

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 07 18 at 02:25 PM • permalink

 

    1. I have a better idea.  Let China and India reduce their “greenhouse gas” output by 1% each, and then Austrailia can increase it’s output by 100%, and the same goal will still be achieved.  This should see you through the winter for the next 10,000 years.

      Paul said it best: “Their thoughts have become futile.”

      ME: It’s not just their thoughts.

      Posted by Hucbald on 2007 07 18 at 02:25 PM • permalink

 

    1. #35 hucbald: I think their thoughts have become “feudal”, too. We’d all have to become serfs to make the plan work. Your idea, however, makes great sense.

      Posted by paco on 2007 07 18 at 02:30 PM • permalink

 

    1. Well for God sakes, didn’t know that Nancy Reid (or is it Harry Pelosi) would toss you people into a italic panic attack.

      Posted by El Cid on 2007 07 18 at 02:31 PM • permalink

 

    1. Do you people have any idea how many polar bears you have killed today with your rampany italics?

      Posted by SoberHT on 2007 07 18 at 02:42 PM • permalink

 

    1. Not to worry.  Some bright person will invent a stove that can be connected directly to your butt so you can cook dinner with your own methane.

      Posted by Mystery Meat on 2007 07 18 at 02:42 PM • permalink

 

    1. That would be RAMPANT italics.

      Uh, oh….

      Posted by SoberHT on 2007 07 18 at 02:42 PM • permalink

 

    1. None of these machine-produced execution devices, if you please.

      Not a problem, Rebecca, making rope is fairly easy, and the ropes can be recycled.  And if they don’t want build a gibbet, there are plenty of trees, or they can put all those billboards to good use.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 07 18 at 02:53 PM • permalink

 

    1. BTW, this discussion of supplying nooses and gibbets to the greenies is not eliminationist.  The greenies want Humanity to go away; we merely want to assist them in taking the first step, is all.  Helping our neighbors, as it were.

      <waves at Media Watch>

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 07 18 at 02:56 PM • permalink

 

    1. #42: Right, RJ. Not a handout; a hand up, as they say.

      Posted by paco on 2007 07 18 at 03:03 PM • permalink

 

    1. Because of the earthquake in Japan, Toyota has been forced to temporarily close down its plants.

      http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070718/ap_on_bi_ge/toyota

      Gaia HATES the Prius

      Posted by Room 237 on 2007 07 18 at 03:11 PM • permalink

 

    1. Look, Australia needs to cut greenhouse gasses by 95% because the Americans gave the old middle finger to Kyoto.  Actually, it’s probably more like 96%.  I’m having a cook out tonight and I anticipate burning a whole Mesquite tree.

      Posted by wronwright on 2007 07 18 at 03:18 PM • permalink

 

    1. So now you’re going to complain about shutting down the entire country to eliminate 1.5% of the planet’s greenhouse emissions? It’s that sort of selfishness that has brought us to our present CRISIS!!!

      Posted by DanG on 2007 07 18 at 03:25 PM • permalink

 

    1. Anybody think global warming folk are just playin’?

      Posted by paco on 2007 07 18 at 03:25 PM • permalink

 

    1. wronwright

      I’m having a cook out tonight and I anticipate burning a whole Mesquite tree.

      My, that should be tasty. May I recommend heavy basting with sap. Miranda Divide was here not to long ago, would be THE perfect sap to bast with.

      Actually any alGorian, Islamist sympathizers and abettors, OR just a general run of the mill Leftist would do, but you’d have the best in, Miranda Divide.

      Posted by El Cid on 2007 07 18 at 03:32 PM • permalink

 

    1. I saw that Harry Potter movie, and in it the Dumbledore guy just waves a wand and the tables fill up with food.
      I think we should do that.

      Posted by Merlin on 2007 07 18 at 03:38 PM • permalink

 

    1. #45, Ask any Texan, mesquite trees deserve to be burned.  Burn two of them while you’re at it.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2007 07 18 at 03:39 PM • permalink

 

    1. wronwright

      Mmmmmmm. Mesquite.  I used to be on a hunting lease in Uvalde Co. Texas, and the place was 4,500 acres of mesquite, live oak, and pecan bottoms.  We’d clear out senderos during the spring and summer, then in the fall we’d have God’s Own Supply of mesquite to cook with.  The best steaks, brisket, and venison I’ve ever eaten was cooked on that ranch over mesquite in a 55 gallon oil drum turned into a bar-b-que grill.

      I miss those days.  Glory days.  Halcyon days.  Days of carbon.

      Posted by Hucbald on 2007 07 18 at 03:39 PM • permalink

 

    1. Helping our neighbors, as it were.

      Gee, thanks Alex…

      Posted by mojo on 2007 07 18 at 03:50 PM • permalink

 

    1. #15…thanks, now I have to gouge out my eyes.

      Posted by Jeffersonian on 2007 07 18 at 03:51 PM • permalink

 

    1. OT

      Man Convicted of Leaving Child to Be Eaten by Alligators

      This “man” should be executed, immediately…PERIOD!

      Fox News

      Posted by El Cid on 2007 07 18 at 04:10 PM • permalink

 

    1. 53

      #15…thanks, now I have to gouge out my eyes.

      Please don’t…but should you, can I have your watch?…:).

      Posted by El Cid on 2007 07 18 at 04:12 PM • permalink

 

    1. The institute found that Australia had already used more than a quarter of its allocation by 2005

      Well, really??

      And where did this fucking “allocation” come from??

      Oz pop in 2020 will be 25 million.  If they all just breathe, that will be 5% of the fucking “allocation”.

      Stephanie Peatbog can go fuck my boot.

      Posted by Jack from Montreal on 2007 07 18 at 04:28 PM • permalink

 

    1. 90%, folks, I’ve got 90% cap on carbon emissions. That’s 90% going once, going twice…95%!!! 95% cap on carbon from the Institute in the back row. Do I have any more takers? 95% going once, going twice…
      At least at this rate, in a few years they’ll have to shrug the whole emissions cap thing off as simply too late. What then? Campfire circles signing “We’re all gonna die.”?

      Posted by Dminor on 2007 07 18 at 04:42 PM • permalink

 

    1. 39#  Not to worry.  Some bright person will invent a stove that can be connected directly to your butt so you can cook dinner with your own methane.

      I thought the Pollutant-free Anal Cooking Outfit had already been developed?

      Posted by HisHineness on 2007 07 18 at 04:47 PM • permalink

 

    1. I bet that more than 5% of Australian CO2 emissions come just from humans breathing.

      Posted by Steven Den Beste on 2007 07 18 at 05:01 PM • permalink

 

    1. I had never heard of the ‘Australia Institute”, (oh ignorant me). So I had a look. There was the usual ideological claptrap and so forth. There seems to be a proliferation of these ‘organisations’, whenever an ideological notion must be rammed home to the ‘great unwashed’. Its some of the ‘wordy’ titles that they give themselves, that make me chuckle.

      Posted by BJM on 2007 07 18 at 05:16 PM • permalink

 

    1. Another computer model.  Wonderful.  Why do people put such faith in climate models?

      Financial types and economists have been developing economic models for a lot longer than climate models (for a good reason – they want to make money out of them – greed is good) and no one would say that any economic model is perfect.

      Just try this – can any model accurately predict an interest rate rise or fall?

      Can any model accurately tell you what the stock market index will close at tomorrow?  Can they tell you what it will finish at in 10 years time?  Can Treasury accurately predict inflation next year?

      Modelling is a crock.  I don’t know why the media is so uncritically accepting of climate models.

      I remember fiddling with economic models at Uni many years ago.  We had to fiddle with the assumptions in order to produce a variety of outcomes.  We only had a few variables to play with – interest rates and the state of the budget balance and some money supply variable, but just those 3 variables could generate wildly different outcomes.  Climate models have hundreds of variables.  You can produce any outcome you want by fiddling the numbers.

      Posted by mr creosote on 2007 07 18 at 05:29 PM • permalink

 

    1. Shrinking glaciers my arse!

      But of course the trooothers believe what they want to believe.

      Posted by peter m on 2007 07 18 at 06:02 PM • permalink

 

    1. Amazing. Here’s somebody who has made a tremendous difference in the world, and practically nobody’s ever heard of him. Yet Al Gore, professional loser and windbag, gets more international exposure than Coca-Cola.

      Posted by paco on 2007 07 18 at 06:03 PM • permalink

 

    1. 61 mr creosote – the other issue that a critical scientist reports is the false use of numbers for CO2 lifespan in these models, and forcings contrary to accepted experiments.

      1. CO2 apparently lasts about 10 years in the lower atmosphere before it is recycled / used, but the models use a 100+ year figure.  Why?

      2. Forcings are needed because the more CO2 up there, the less effect proportionally it has as a greenhouse effect.  So where is this forcing coming from?  They haven’t said, just that it MUST be there!  So some magical force will turn this CO2 into a super greenhouse gas, and we have to take their word for it.

      These alone make me a skeptic.  Then we get to hear Flannery’s wild allegations of climate change being always greater than even he imagined, and I have to laugh.  What is the point?

      Posted by peter m on 2007 07 18 at 06:07 PM • permalink

 

    1. #21, The Apologist:

      This is why I’m not worried about these people. They are clearly nuts.

      Those that pose a danger to themselves and others are confined for treatment in locked facilities for the protection of themselves and others.

      Insanity can kill.

      Posted by Grimmy on 2007 07 18 at 06:11 PM • permalink

 

    1. “should be as much as 95 per cent by 2020”

      I call them enviropikers! I demand that Australian greenhouse gasses be cut by 110% by 2009.

      Posted by Harry Buttle on 2007 07 18 at 06:23 PM • permalink

 

    1. This reduction in emissions requires leadership from Stephanie and her Fairfax colleagues.

      Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 07 18 at 06:26 PM • permalink

 

    1. BJM The Australia Institute has been around for a while now but for a long time it was basically Clive Hamilton. He is a lefty through and through and was open in setting up the institute to counter what he saw as the rampant economic rationalism of most economic think tanks (he didn’t like the consensus of social scientists obviously).

      His work is unfailingly sloppy with any research merely as a prop for the predetermimed outcome he had decided on based on his idealogy.

      He seems to have attracted a coterie of like minded researchers to pump out more dreck, like accusing David Jones (an upmarket department store) of child abuse and intellectual things like that.

      Posted by Francis H on 2007 07 18 at 06:27 PM • permalink

 

    1. #63 Paco…. thanks for that link. What a terrific human being.

      Posted by greene on 2007 07 18 at 06:31 PM • permalink

 

    1. I’ll let yall in on a little Texan secret. Mesquite is a scrub tree that all Texans try to rid their land of. Years ago, some genius figured out that he could sell mesquite chips to yankees be telling them it was the secret to smoking authentic Texas barbeque.
      Created a whole new industry.
      Well, we had to SOMETHING after the oil ran out.

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2007 07 18 at 06:38 PM • permalink

 

    1. #70 It’s a great scheme Texas Bob. Something I can truly admire.

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 07 18 at 06:42 PM • permalink

 

    1. world’s leading economist on climate change, Sir Nicholas Stern

      Is he the world’s leading economist on climate change because what he says is scariest/most economically damaging?

      (I suppose that the title for Flannery is world’s leading paeleontologist on climate change…. Al Gore world’s leading ex-VP-and-almost POTUS on climate change…. Tony Jones world’s leading ABC attack hack on climate change…. Peter Garrett world’s leading Australian Ex-Rockstar-and-green-but-now-labor politician on climate change… Any more suggestions?)

      Posted by kae on 2007 07 18 at 06:55 PM • permalink

 

    1. I just lurve the punchline, calculated to demonstrate the Government’s ‘lack of seriousness’ on the issue: “Such a suggestion is likely to be ridiculed by the Federal Government.”

      No shit. Such a suggestion is likely to be ridiculed by bag ladies who mutter to themselves and smell like cat piss.

      Posted by fidens on 2007 07 18 at 06:58 PM • permalink

 

    1. One of the many things that climate changers fail to talk about is how CO2 output is measured. Call me a sceptic but I have been in the measurement business for a long time and to me anyone who says they can accurately measure the total CO2 in the atmostphere is lying. To compound that by saying they can measure small changes is either delusion or fraud.

      Posted by allan on 2007 07 18 at 07:07 PM • permalink

 

    1. Not a problem, Rebecca, making rope is fairly easy, and the ropes can be recycled.  And if they don’t want build a gibbet, there are plenty of trees, or they can put all those billboards to good use.

      I believe guillotines are acceptable. They’re completely reusable, need minimal maintenance (hose ‘em off and occasionally sharpen the blade), and will remind the left of their favorite 18th century revolution.

      Posted by Rob Crawford on 2007 07 18 at 07:09 PM • permalink

 

    1. #74: anyone who says they can accurately measure the total CO2 in the atmostphere is lying

      Absolutely correct.

      Posted by Hanyu on 2007 07 18 at 07:14 PM • permalink

 

    1. #70: Years ago, some genius figured out that he could sell mesquite chips to yankees

      Ah, yes. Ol’ uncle Paco Bob (*sniff*). He was one of the great ones. I almost regret firing him one month short of his pension being fully vested.

      Posted by paco on 2007 07 18 at 07:15 PM • permalink

 

    1. #60

      There seems to be a proliferation of these ‘organisations’, whenever*(insert) an ideological notion must be rammed home to the ‘great unwashed’.

      *there’s the sniff of a taxpayer dollar and

      Posted by kae on 2007 07 18 at 07:15 PM • permalink

 

    1. Excellent read, Paco.

      Haven’t read any, but comments for those that have @ TigerHawk’s site indicates that the Left @ Huffpo, is/are bashing Norman Borlaug, “the greatest living American”.

      Wonder why? (rhetorical question)
      TigerHawk

      Posted by El Cid on 2007 07 18 at 07:16 PM • permalink

 

    1. Since any government wouldn’t FORCE industry and business to limit production to… what 5% now is it?… that means households would have to cut emissions by 180% right?

      Good thing we are all working longer hours then we were 50 years ago etc, isn’t it?

      Posted by Admonkeystrator on 2007 07 18 at 07:24 PM • permalink

 

    1. Texas Bob… re the mesquite huckster all those years back Is not this form of confidence trickery played on the poor Yankees part of the South’s revenge, currently being headlined by al’Gore??

      Cheers
      RodC

      Posted by Rod C on 2007 07 18 at 07:27 PM • permalink

 

    1. Its the logical conclusion: In order to save the Earth from “dangerous climate change” we must shut down the world economy and go back to subsistence agriculture.

      Posted by John A on 2007 07 18 at 07:32 PM • permalink

 

    1. We never did defeat communism. It’s still here and still just as mass murder oriented and deadly in it’s more recent utopianistic idiotism.

      Deep Green and Social Ecology are where many disenchanted commie bastards fled for philosophical safe harbor.

      And as per usual with commie bastards and their filthy ilk, we’re beginning to see calls for western culture to be destroyed to “save humanity” as well as measures to enforce a uniform degree of poverty upon all citizens everywhere.

      This more recent mutation in the misanthropic philosophies of old europe even has devotees that are calling for the elimination of up to 90% of the human population, world wide. Usual method of population reduction advocated is a purposely mutated virus, such as an air born version of the Ebola.

      These people, in the radical enviro movements, across the board, are a danger to themselves and others. We ignore them as a real and true threat at our own peril.

      The true motive behind all this envirofascism has nothing to do with enviro protection or wise use of the environment and has everything to do with the destruction of western civilization/culture and the punishment of mankind for being human.

      Posted by Grimmy on 2007 07 18 at 07:35 PM • permalink

 

    1. #68 Francis H. Thankyou for the info. They read like the usual offenders, using gross exaggeration to remain relevant.
      #78 kae. It is all so predictable. Jonathan Lynn and Antony Jay could not have produced a better script.

      Posted by BJM on 2007 07 18 at 07:42 PM • permalink

 

    1. It’s a tough call, but Fairfax can go a long way towards achieving its new target with a few sensible initiatives:

      * Shut down its suburban giveaway newspapers which nobody reads. (Jeebus, what a waste of good woodchips.)

      * Refuse to accept classifieds. This would both dramatically reduce the number of sections required in each Saturday paper, as well as cutting off a revenue base required for the employment of carbon costly journalists.

      By my calculations, this could reduce their carbon footprint a good 40 per cent or more – only another 55 per cent to go!

      Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 07 18 at 07:43 PM • permalink

 

    1. Brrrrrrisbane

      Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 07 18 at 07:48 PM • permalink

 

    1. Welcome to Tropical Queensland. Please help yourself to some frostbite.

      Record low temperatures in Queensland.

      There are reports that in Stanthorpe, the temperature has gone down to -7!

      Posted by TimT on 2007 07 18 at 07:49 PM • permalink

 

    1. This should cheer the socialists up – “China: hundreds of millions could die”.

      Posted by darrinhV2 on 2007 07 18 at 07:51 PM • permalink

 

    1. No, #82, you miss the point.

      In order to save the earth we earthlings must all die. Simple but effective.

      Posted by BB77 on 2007 07 18 at 08:02 PM • permalink

 

    1. 88 darrinhV2

      This should cheer the socialists up – “China: hundreds of millions could die”.

      Well, it will. You see the likes of Boner, Sprungsteen, Dreisand, etc, will have to raise awareness of the problem though their first ever Save China Concert.

      Then drop ‘em like a hot coal and blame Bush and Howard

      Posted by El Cid on 2007 07 18 at 08:11 PM • permalink

 

    1. The Australia Institute – such a yawning cavern of irrelevancy amplified only by the cacophanous clang of their collective ego’s bouncing off the walls of their smug gulag.

      Only Fairfux could give these nuf-nuf’s the oxygen they so desperately crave.

      Posted by Jay Santos on 2007 07 18 at 08:16 PM • permalink

 

    1. Just for you, OZ.

      The Coldening Song

      AlsChestnuts roasting on an open fire,
      Jack Frost nipping on your nose,
      (deleted) carols being sung by a choir,
      And folks dressed up like Native People of the North.

      Everybody knows a plastic turkey and some missiles though,
      Help to make the season bright.
      Tiny tots with their eyes all aglow, (nuclear agitation)
      Will find it hard to sleep tonight.

      They know that (deleted) on his way;
      He’s loaded lots of toys and goodies on his slaves.
      And every mother’s child is going to spy,
      To see if (deleted by PETA) really know how to fly.

      And so I’m offering this simple phrase,
      To kids from one to ninety-two,
      Although its been said many times, many ways,
      A very Coldening to you

      Posted by El Cid on 2007 07 18 at 08:35 PM • permalink

 

    1. Thanks for the link in #3, paco.  Yup, a great American indeed.  Jimmah Cahtah pales in comparison to Professor Borlaug.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 07 18 at 08:35 PM • permalink

 

    1. #81 Rod: “Suthun boahs” bilking city slickers is an old and much-honored tradition. Hint: they ain’t as dumb as they sound.

      Posted by mojo on 2007 07 18 at 08:42 PM • permalink

 

    1. Where else but Queensland ?

      Bewdeeful one day, Freezing cold the next.

      Posted by 1.618 on 2007 07 18 at 08:44 PM • permalink

 

    1. Well, if we’re all going to die so soon perhaps we should join this guy for a last snack.

      http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h167/Spag-oz/cheeseburger.jpg

      Posted by Spag_oz on 2007 07 18 at 08:51 PM • permalink

 

    1. For those that were talking about measuring:

      China, which may have already overtaken the US as the world’s biggest emitter of greenhouse gases this year and is still the world’s biggest producer and consumer of ozone-depleting substances, has been under international pressure to do more to cut its emissions.

      From the SMH story on Chinese pollution.

      Note that is says that China “may have overtaken the US” – why do they use the word “may”?  If CO2 output measurements are wonderfully accurate in both countries, it should be a no-brainer to work out who is in the lead.

      What?  The figures are a bit rubbery and hard to measure?  Well, blow me down!  I thought we were dealing with dead certainties and absolutes here.

      Posted by mr creosote on 2007 07 18 at 08:54 PM • permalink

 

    1. #88.  Can’t be true.  Flannery and Stern reckon the Chinese love the environment and are performing far better than any right of centre Western government.

      Posted by Ubique on 2007 07 18 at 08:56 PM • permalink

 

    1. Spag_oz

      Jimmy Buffett – Cheeseburger In Paradise

      Tried to amend my carnivorous habits.
      Made it nearly seventy days,
      Losin’ weight without speed, eatin’ sunflower seeds,
      Drinkin’ lots of carrot juice and soakin’ up rays.

      But at night I’d have these wonderful dreams
      Some kind of sensuous treat.
      Not zucchini, fettuccini, or bulgur wheat,
      But a big warm bun and a huge hunk of meat.

      Cheeseburger is paradise.
      Heaven on earth with an onion slice.
      Not too particular, not too precise.
      I’m just a cheeseburger in paradise.

      I like mine with lettuce and tomato,
      Heinz Fifty-seven and French fried potatoes.
      Big kosher pickle and a cold draft beer.
      Well, good God Almighty, which way do I steer
      For my cheeseburger in paradise.

      Heard about the old time sailor men,
      They eat the same thing again and again;
      Warm beer and bread they say could raise the dead.
      Well, it reminds me of the menu at a Holiday Inn.

      But times have changed for sailors these days.
      When I’m in port I get what I need;
      Not just Havanas or banana or daiquiris,
      But that American creation on which I feed!

      Cheeseburger is paradise medium rare with mustard’d be nice
      Not too particular, not too precise
      I’m just a cheeseburger in paradise.

      I like mine with lettuce and tomato
      Heinz 57 and french fried potatoes
      Big kosher pickle and a cold draught beer
      Well, good god Almighty which way do I steer

      For a cheeseburger in paradise
      Makin’ the best of every virtue and vice.
      Worth every damn bit of sacrifice
      To get a cheeseburger in paradise;
      To be a cheeseburger in paradise.
      I’m just a cheeseburger in paradise.

      Posted by El Cid on 2007 07 18 at 08:58 PM • permalink

 

    1. Makes me glad I went for the 530 rather than the 525.

      Posted by Nic on 2007 07 18 at 09:02 PM • permalink

 

    1. Speaking of the ozone layer and China, I read some true believer pleb in a comments or letters section berating those that don’t believe in AGW/CC by saying something along the lines of “We were doomed with the hole in the ozone layer, however, diligent and swift action on emissions of ozone saved us all” (paraphrased).

      Posted by kae on 2007 07 18 at 09:02 PM • permalink

 

    1. kae

      Are you keeping warm?

      Posted by El Cid on 2007 07 18 at 09:04 PM • permalink

 

    1. #99 You know I prefer a good steak, medium rare.

      Mrs Apparatchik

      Posted by Apparatchik on 2007 07 18 at 09:08 PM • permalink

 

    1. #7 Tks pixie

      The Australia Institute Ltd moonbat website

      No plagiarising meeja releases now, y’ hear?

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 07 18 at 09:10 PM • permalink

 

    1. It’s absolutely freezing down here in Melbourne.

      To warm up, I had to add extra chilli to my hot chilli meat pies.

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 07 18 at 09:10 PM • permalink

 

    1. Can you hear that noise, El Cid?

      It’s my teeth chattering!

      Nice wood burning fire at home but I can’t bring it to work. Those Amberley temperatures quoted around here are about 1-2 degrees warmer than where I live.

      Posted by kae on 2007 07 18 at 09:11 PM • permalink

 

    1. #104 from the link:

      University Capture: Australian universitites and the fossil fuel industries
      Not quite what I expected, which was an article on the merits of burning academics.

      Posted by kae on 2007 07 18 at 09:15 PM • permalink

 

    1. #106
      Hi Kae, you don’t happen to live in Rosewood do you?

      —Nora

      Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 07 18 at 09:16 PM • permalink

 

    1. Hi Nora, very close, just a little further west. Home of Bill Gunn and Andy Bichel.

      Posted by kae on 2007 07 18 at 09:18 PM • permalink

 

    1. Well, I feel for you people (no smart asses, not that way).

      Yes kae, did hear a noise, but I thought it your castanets.

      Posted by El Cid on 2007 07 18 at 09:20 PM • permalink

 

    1. Climate Change: Who’s Being Swindled Here?
      … article at NewMatilda .com.au by Australia Institute Executive Director, Clive Hamilton.

      Our mate Irfin’ Yaself writes for ‘em – no plagiarising!

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 07 18 at 09:26 PM • permalink

 

    1. #111 Not even just a little bit of plagiarising Egg_? I promise it won’t be much!

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 07 18 at 09:28 PM • permalink

 

    1. The most interesting person the board of the Australia Institute is one Sharan Burrow. She is supposed to represent the rights of unionists yet the institute’s biggest targets are heavily unionised industries such as power and coal.

      It is amazing to think that she now complaining about job losses in car industry when she supports an institute that wants to abolish it

      Posted by Contrail on 2007 07 18 at 09:31 PM • permalink

 

    1. #7

      Intro:
      A national carbon dioxide (CO2) budget is a set amount of CO2 that can be emitted by
      human sources in a country over a given period.

      WTF?

      What is this IPCC anyway: Intergovernmental Panel for a Clockwork Climate?

      Looks like these f*ckers are using Newtonian modelling for chaotic and complex systems …
      … a corollary of Karolys?

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 07 18 at 09:37 PM • permalink

 

    1. #111 ash: only after first pasteurising it, I hope! 🙂

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 07 18 at 09:47 PM • permalink

 

    1. it should be as much as 95 per cent by 2020

      No more ice cream for us all then.

      On the bright side no more socialist worker magazine. Unless of course they go solar or co-op some of their members to pedal power the printing press. Some of them will grow and sell pot to pay for the carbon tax on the chemicals.

      Posted by ratman on 2007 07 18 at 09:48 PM • permalink

 

    1. How disgusting that a great sporting nation like Australia is aiming only for a 95% reduction. If we are to achieve any glory, we must all strive for 110%. It is the Australian way.

      Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 07 18 at 09:50 PM • permalink

 

    1. #111 kae
      Note as Hamilton is attacking Durkin for inaccuracy, he uses the usual Lefty disingenuous inflammatory photo of power station (recondensing) steam, presumably misrepresenting it as coal smoke … truth is the first casualty, Dr Hamilton?

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 07 18 at 09:56 PM • permalink

 

    1. Not a problem, Rebecca, making rope is fairly easy, and the ropes can be recycled.  And if they don’t want build a gibbet, there are plenty of trees, or they can put all those billboards to good use.

      Reminds me of a remark I’ve heard attributed to Theodore Roosevelt just before American entry into World War One – In response to the argument that the U.S. would never declare war on Germany because there were over five million citizens of German descent in America, he replied “There are over five million lamposts in America.”

      Posted by Bruce Lagasse on 2007 07 18 at 10:04 PM • permalink

 

    1. You know, if y’all would simply convert to Americanism, then there’d be zero pollution caused by Australians and all the pollution would be America’s fault.

      Posted by Grimmy on 2007 07 18 at 10:04 PM • permalink

 

    1. #111, 118

      Yeah, someone did that on Teev the other night, some piece about AGW/CC and they showed a helicopter view of the cooling towers at a coal-fired power station… then they showed a picture of a couple of tall, skinny smoke-belching chimneys.

      Posted by kae on 2007 07 18 at 10:07 PM • permalink

 

    1. The staff list from TAI is interesting. A degree or diploma count gives:

      1 x Law
      2 x Commerce
      1 x Arts
      1 x Economics
      1 x Economics (social sciences)
      1 x Environmental studies
      1 x Policy studies
      1 x PhD in Philosophy – thesis on “an investigation of the ecological, social and ethical reasons for reducing human consumption in the industrialized world”..note spelling

      The diploma in environmental studies from the Uni of Tasmania includes helpful modules such as “Faultlines in environmental philosophy”, “Environment in western political thought” and “Environment in social and economic thought”

      Not a soul who I would classify as a scientist in sight. And these are the experts clowns that are hectoring us about the infallibility of the predictions of climate science and subsequent catastrophes

      Posted by Whale Spinor on 2007 07 18 at 10:08 PM • permalink

 

    1. Grimmy

      That is brilliant….BUT do not believe the OZ folks want that. Tough, those diggers are.

      Posted by El Cid on 2007 07 18 at 10:08 PM • permalink

 

    1. who are hectoring

      Posted by Whale Spinor on 2007 07 18 at 10:10 PM • permalink

 

    1. #123, El Cid:

      Tough, those diggers are.

      No offense meant but, Duh!
      Why do you think we’re starting the drive to recruit Australia to join the US?

      They’d fit right in. Even their useful idiots would find plenty kindred souls.

      Posted by Grimmy on 2007 07 18 at 10:20 PM • permalink

 

    1. CO2 anorexia.  Brilliant solution for a perception disroder.

      Posted by fresca on 2007 07 18 at 10:27 PM • permalink

 

    1. Or disorder, depending on the way you view things.

      Posted by fresca on 2007 07 18 at 10:28 PM • permalink

 

    1. 2007 is the UN International Year of the Ozone Layer – where’s ‘Ozone Man’ Al Gore on this subject?

      Current UN critical use exemptions for methyl bromide
      … note the industry jockeying in the tables.

      The UN aint a political animal, IPCC is pure science? – up yours, Karoly!

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 07 18 at 10:35 PM • permalink

 

    1. No hummers. No steak. No point in livin’

      Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 07 18 at 10:39 PM • permalink

 

    1. You’d think the hippies would be lining up for hanging if we just used hemp rope.

      Though in all seriousness, the shrillness level is going up for the very good reason that if the gummint of wherever-they-live doesn’t start enacting irreversible pork immediately, the ticks won’t get a sucker in before the climate actually changes – back to cooling. Then, they might have to work for their keep like all the middle class shlubs they don’t want to be.

      Poor bastids. Ten years at school and their crazy cousin Jimmy the electrician is making more money. And spending it on horribly tasteless things like 4x4s and Jet-Skis. Probably prefers Pabst(or Pearl if in E.Texas) to Chardonnay. You can see how this would injure their worldview a bit. So what if Jimmy’s been working 50 hour weeks for 10 years to get to where he can charge $40/hr. Anyone can be an electrician, (Except the ones who don’t turn off the breaker before grabbin’ the wire. And the ones who follow the architect’s drawings.) but it takes a real brain to build fake computer models.

      Posted by brett_l on 2007 07 18 at 10:41 PM • permalink

 

    1. Most of these greenhouse-gas emissions take the form of methane, released from the cow’s digestive system.

      #129 And they mocked Ronald Reagan!

      Posted by fresca on 2007 07 18 at 10:48 PM • permalink

 

    1. Re #119, Bruce, I think that there are far more than 5 million lamp posts in America these days!

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 07 18 at 10:59 PM • permalink

 

    1. #132, TRJ:
      Thank you, sir!

      Another good reason that OZ should join the US. We have more lamp posts!

      Posted by Grimmy on 2007 07 18 at 11:04 PM • permalink

 

    1. #129
      A KILOGRAM of beef causes more greenhouse-gas and other pollution than driving for three hours while leaving all the lights on back home

      Tell that to Climate Change Coalitionist, Phatty, Hunter Valley beef cattle farmer.

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 07 18 at 11:09 PM • permalink

 

    1. TGGWS debate got up Phatty’s nose, too …

      LAST week, lamentably, a legion of loutish LaRouchites let loose their loopiness on the ABC’s open debate following the broadcast of The Great Global Warming Swindle. For once we were spared their ludicrous belief that the Duke of Edinburgh is an intergalactic alien who runs the worldwide drug trade (or is that the Scientologists?) in favour of targeting those loony lefty scientists who have been lecturing us on global warming. Quite apart from dramatising shortcomings with ABC security, the infiltration of the audience by these carcinogenic cultists reminds us what a ratbaggy coalition of right-wingers the climate change sceptics really are. And how boorish public debate on this issue, and many others, has become.

      Hey, Karoly will (mass) debate anyone, Phatty.

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 07 18 at 11:48 PM • permalink

 

    1. This is not going to help the energy balance of Gaia

      http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/07/18/1184559843317.html

      I wonder how the Oral exam gets marked…

      Posted by The Big Fish on 2007 07 18 at 11:49 PM • permalink

 

    1. #134

      (psst, whatever you do, don’t mention how much water it uses…)

      Posted by kae on 2007 07 18 at 11:53 PM • permalink

 

    1. #137
      hehe previoously bashed him over water, $ and other resource allocation return primary vs other industries … Flummery’s vaunted (free) market economy, Phil… that’s why primary is in decline, hmmm …?

      #134
      Phatty on Lovelock: As well as inadvertently inventing the microwave oven – which he didn’t bother to patent
      Wow – Lovelock’s in the league of AlGore, inventor of the interweb thingy.

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 07 19 at 12:02 AM • permalink

 

    1. #134
      But by example (Lovelock) gave us another cause for hope. That we might discuss this most important of issues politely. The end of the world might be nigh. But that’s no excuse for bad manners.

      Tell that to Auntie’s attack silky terrier, Tony Jones.

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 07 19 at 12:08 AM • permalink

 

    1. I think we should reduce the Australia Institute by 95% in order to avoid dangerous stupidity

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 07 19 at 12:22 AM • permalink

 

    1. #21 Apologists, “they are clearly nuts”?

      So was Pol Pot but he didn’t let that hinder him.

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 07 19 at 12:35 AM • permalink

 

    1. Surely, a good start to cutting Australia’s noxious emissions would be scrapping the ABC.

      Posted by Mike_W on 2007 07 19 at 12:37 AM • permalink

 

    1. #33 No Rebecca, the solution is just to hand them from a living tree – how much more enviromental cann it get

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 07 19 at 12:41 AM • permalink

 

    1. #57 Dminor, “global” temperature peaked in 1998. Since then, its basically been flat. Even if it doesn’t fall over the next 20 years, these wankers will praise Kyoto for having been successful.

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 07 19 at 12:49 AM • permalink

 

    1. #109

      Lovely place, my nephew was born in the little hospital there.

      —Nora

      Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 07 19 at 01:00 AM • permalink

 

    1. #82 Sir John A. MacDonald (if I may call you that)

      It goes further. We must return to the trees and eat shoots and leaves and berries.

      Language is a vile human invention, ultimate root cause of war and pestilance and global warming, the original sin. We must only grunt, snort and f*ck.

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 07 19 at 01:00 AM • permalink

 

    1. Yes, Nora, no queues at the local hospital! And if that’s busy, the next one is only 24ks up the road.

      Posted by kae on 2007 07 19 at 01:07 AM • permalink

 

    1. #136 In a free market, quality sets its own rate and rises to the top. I can assure you.

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 07 19 at 01:16 AM • permalink

 

    1. #122 Whale Spinor

      Thank you for that bit of hard factual research.  That sort of solid info gives real credibility to the conservative blogosphere.  How strange and unusual to see a lefty “think tank” gobbing on about a highly scientific matter, yet nary a scientist of any sort in sight.!!!

      Cheers
      RodC

      Posted by Rod C on 2007 07 19 at 01:18 AM • permalink

 

    1. #144
      NASA GISS ‘Surface Air Temperature’ data referred by TGGWS debate.

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 07 19 at 02:16 AM • permalink

 

    1. Greenland Ice Core temp plot from Jorgen Peder Steffensen, curator, Niels Bohr Institute, Dept Geophysics
      2003 Greenland Inland Ice Core Project, Nordgrip.

      The backdrop to the IPCC ‘hockey stick’:
      140 years ago was the coldest in the last 10,000 years; verified in Antarctica, China and Africa via cave samples, etc.

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 07 19 at 02:31 AM • permalink

 

    1. Correct me if I’m wrong but if we get rid of 95% of the carbon dioxide won’t my Coke go flat?

      I hate that.

      Posted by Hump B Bare on 2007 07 19 at 04:39 AM • permalink

 

    1. Hump, worse than flat coke.

      Diet Coke. Fizzy or flat.

      Bleaacch!

      Posted by kae on 2007 07 19 at 05:31 AM • permalink

 

    1. What is that Kae? I like Diet Coke (or Coca-Cola Light over here in Krautland). There’s nothing better to wash down 5 pounds of BBQ ribs, mashed potatoes and gravy, black-eyed peas, collarded greens, corn bread with butter, and half a pecan pie with vanilla ice cream than a Diet Coke. It also goes good with a box of Twinkies.

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2007 07 19 at 06:38 AM • permalink

 

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