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I support gay marriage, sure. But I resolutely oppose gay divorce.
- Tim, I’m typing on one knee, please marry me.Posted by Stevo on 2006 03 04 at 08:37 AM • permalink
- I don’t oppose it … I’m a lawyer …Posted by Susan Norton on 2006 03 04 at 09:22 AM • permalink
- This is off-message but too good to pass up. It is reported in The West Australian today that hyper-trendy Anglican ex-primate and Archbishop Peter Carnley defends the ordination of women bishopesses in the following terms:
“The argument is that Jesus only appointed 12 male apostles who were Jewish, circumcised and fishermen.
“Bat that doesn’t mean that every bishop has to be Jewish, circumcised and a fisherman.”
The ex-Primate and Archbishop doesn’t know the Bible.
Only a couple of the disciples were identified as fishermen. Matthew was a tax-collector. The occupations of the rest are not given.
Of the later Apostles, Luke was a doctor and Paul a tent-maker.
Posted by Susan Norton on 2006 03 04 at 09:59 AM • permalink
#9 Who gets the Krupps, the Poggenpohl, the Meile, the Smeg?
The what? I haven’t a clue what any of that
shitstuff is. I suppose that confirms I’m not gay. That and the fact that I think Brad Pitt and George Clooney are way overrated.Actually it sounds like roll call for a Nazi brown shirt squad.
Posted by wronwright on 2006 03 04 at 10:07 AM • permalink
- The first gay couple to be unofficially married in New Paltz … are splitting up after two years of marriage. VanRoestenberg … is “very distraught” over it.
Why should heteros have all the fun? Next step, alimony.
Posted by Bruce Rheinstein on 2006 03 04 at 10:17 AM • permalink
- #14 I also was wondering who pays the alimony. The cowboy in the saddle or the bronc? And what do you tell the kids? “Sit down Rachael, Daddy and Daddy have something to tell you.” Can you imagine how dramatic the courtroom scene would be? “You never loved me Alan, you only wanted my body.” “That’s just not true Bernard, you simply can no longer fulfill my needs.” “Bitch!”….
Oh never mind, I’ll go back to work now.
- #13 Wronwright Krupps is german field artillery, the meile is a german vacuum cleaner (a slight teutonic theme here), the smeg is a swearword from the TV series Red Dwarf, and I don’t know what the Poggenpohl is (and from the sound of it I’m not sure I want to know). Of course some of these identifications may be wrong – I don’t know too many people with field guns in their back yards.
#11 There is something appealing about the idea of the anglican church being staffed by Jewish bishops.
- Gives the term “gay divorcee” a whole new meaning.
- RebeccaH, I suspect Fred and Ginger are spinning in their graves.
In time with each other, of course.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 03 04 at 11:40 AM • permalink
The national divorce rate is around 50 percent in the United States…
An oft repeated statistic that simply is not true. (This web site, the first I found that archived the Times piece, has this stunning piece of math: The absolute latest annual divorce rate is 0.37 % [divorces per capita per year] for the “year” ending Nov. 30, 2004, given in the latest Monthly Vital Statistics Report. snip Since every divorce involves two people, the percentage becomes somewhat more meaningful if you double it. E.g., 0.74% of the entire population gets divorced every year. Is there any wonder we ask “Is our children learning?”)
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 03 04 at 12:03 PM • permalink
- Burbank,
Krupps makes more than just big sexsay guns. They’ve diversified into Home & Garden Decor. I imagine the fight over the Gazing Balls could get ugly. Then there’s Krups with one “p” that makes trendy and overpriced kitchen appliances.
And Poggenpohl? Yep, more obscenely expensive kitchen goodies.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 03 04 at 12:10 PM • permalink
- Kyda,
The claim of a 50% divorce rate has been bandied about for decades; in absolute terms (50% of all marriages end in divorce) it is roughly true. However, 2nd and 3rd marriages make up the bulk of that figure. (Some people are simply addicted to divorce court, apparently…) First marriages, at least among those couples at least 20 years of age at the time of the marriage (from a published study I can’t seem to find at the moment), have a divorce rate of slightly more than 20%, although some have claimed that number to be upwards of 40%.
Statistical results vary considerably because sampling criteria and tracking methods vary:
As many statisticians have pointed out, virtually none of the marriages taking place in a given year are the same couples divorcing that year, so there is in fact no predictive relationship between the two annual totals. Nonetheless the claim that “half of all marriages end in divorce” became widely accepted in the US in the 1970s and has remained conventional wisdom. Pollster Louis Harris in his 1984 book “Inside America in 1984” wrote that “the idea that half of American marriages are doomed is one of the most specious pieces of statistical nonsense ever perpetuated in modern times.”
To establish an actual divorce rate requires tracking and analyzing significant samples of actual marriages through decades, not an easy task. Recent US scholarship based on such longterm tracking, reported for example in the New York Times on April 19, 2005, has found that about 60 percent of all marriages that result in divorce do so in the first decade, and more than 80 percent do so within the first 20 years; that the percentage of all marriages that eventually end in divorce peaked in the United States at about 41 percent around 1980 and has been slowly declining ever since, standing by 2002 at around 31 percent; and that while in the 1960s and 1970s there was little difference among socioeconomic groups in divorce rates, diverging trends appeared starting around 1980 (e.g. the rate of divorce among college graduates had by 2002 dropped to near 20 percent, roughly half that of non-college graduates).
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 03 04 at 12:31 PM • permalink
I don’t know too many people with field guns in their back yards.
Yeah, you do. And you think the helicopters are well waxed?
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 03 04 at 12:48 PM • permalink
- Wronwright—I don’t know what any of that
shitstuff is either. You have the excuse of being a straight male. What’s my excuse? I feel so…inadequate.Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 03 04 at 01:32 PM • permalink
- #13 Wronwright Krupps is german field artillery, the meile is a german vacuum cleaner (a slight teutonic theme here), the smeg is a swearword from the TV series Red Dwarf, and I don’t know what the Poggenpohl is (and from the sound of it I’m not sure I want to know). Of course some of these identifications may be wrong – I don’t know too many people with field guns in their back yards.
#11 There is something appealing about the idea of the anglican church being staffed by Jewish bishops.
KRUPP was a German arms manufacturer but is now merely Thyssen-Krupp Steel; Krups is a French-owned German manufacturer of scales and coffee machines; Miele is a German family-owned business making the Rolls-Royce of white goods and vacuum cleaners; Poggenpohl is top-drawer German fitted kitchen manufacturer
The first 15 Bishops of the Christian Church in Jerusalem were Jewish; Jesus was Jewish.
- The first 15 Bishops of the Christian Church in Jerusalem were Jewish; Jesus was Jewish.
Heck…the first Pope was Jewish.
Posted by Quentin George on 2006 03 04 at 07:53 PM • permalink
- #9 Who gets the poodles? Never my choice of dog. I’m worried my ‘significant other’ will take my Golden Retrievers. She’s already laid claim to one of the cats. LOL!Posted by ozconservative on 2006 03 04 at 08:06 PM • permalink
- “Susan … we need to give up religion like smoking … it aint good for the health of the country. Cheers mate (and goodnight) … Stevo
“we have not given up religion, we have merely replace christanity with a new faith, secularism, whose god is a jealous god and will smote to the seventh generation all those who resist conformity.
- There was a rich guy named Tommy Something-or-Other back in the 50s who was famouns for having been married, like 8 times (this was pre-Liz Taylor, obviously). I know a guy who got married for the 6th time when he was only 31.
I suspect the muliple marriers/divorcers skew the data quite a lot.
Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2006 03 04 at 11:17 PM • permalink
- #21
the percentage of all marriages that eventually end in divorce peaked in the United States at about 41 percent around 1980 and has been slowly declining ever since,
I wonder whether that has something to do with the acceptance of living together?
In Australia if a couple are legally married, or living in a “marriage-like relationship”, they are, in nearly all instances, treated in the same way.
True figures on marriage break-down would have to include the break of up both de facto and de jure marriages.
I can’t quote stats, but I’ve certainly read that de facto couples have a higher break-up rate than de jure couples.
So may be the drop in divorce rates is just that only the more committed go throught with the legal ceremony.
Posted by pog-ma-thon on 2006 03 05 at 03:42 AM • permalink
- Slatts, that’s very funny.
Mardi Gras has had its day, I reckon. Most people don’t care about the gender of other people’s love object/s.
Having had a relationship with a chick, I can testify that when you break up there’s much fighting over the Sarah McLachlan and Tori Amos CDs.
Posted by Major Anya on 2006 03 05 at 05:13 AM • permalink
- Hmmmm.
Since it appears that gay marriage is inevitable in many western countries and with the progress of technology the possibility of cloning is not far off as well.
Does this mean that you could marry yourself? Well, I mean clone of course.
The mind boggles.
Posted by joe bagadonuts on 2006 03 05 at 06:24 PM • permalink
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