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Last updated on August 9th, 2017 at 01:17 pm
In the Age, academic Tim Lindsey braces himself for yet more Australian bloodlust:
The announcement by Jakarta of the imminent execution of Bali bombers Amrozi, Imam Samudra and Mukhlas poses a dilemma that will require careful handling by Canberra.
Given the Australian public’s record in the past few years, the likely popular response to the firing squad for these unapologetic terrorists will be another round of gloating and bloodthirsty celebration.
Excuse me … another round? When was the last time we enjoyed a “bloodthirsty celebration”? Is the volatile Australian street once again set to erupt? Will our troubled region never know peace?
Canberra needs to point out, quietly, but strongly and consistently, that although Indonesia may have a right to execute the bombers, Australia, in principle, opposes the death penalty and would always recommend imprisonment in its place, regardless of the crime involved.
Imperialist! Imperialist! How dare Lindsey impose his values on our northern neighbour.
Canberra needs to make this policy clear to Australians as well as Indonesians and it needs to do it fast, to overcome the damage already done.
What “damage” is this clown talking about? Then again, that idea for a bloodthirsty celebration is excellent. Let’s begin planning.
UPDATE. Speaking of the death penalty, a new documentary examines the case of 16-year-old Iranian girl Atefah Sahaaleh, hanged two years ago for “crimes against chastity”:
Previously arrested for attending a party and being alone in a car with a boy, Atefah received her first sentence for “crimes against chastity” when she was just 13.
Although the exact nature of the crime is unknown, she spent a short time in prison and received 100 lashes …
Circumstances surrounding Atefah’s fourth and final arrest were unusual.
When Atefah realised her case was hopeless, she shouted back at the judge and threw off her veil in protest.
It was a fatal outburst.
Judge Haji Rezai took Atefah’s documents to the Supreme Court himself.
And at six o’clock on the morning of her execution he put the noose around her neck, before she was hoisted on a crane to her death.
Just don’t go calling them evil. That would be simplistic.
UPDATE. Dan Lewis: “Aussie bloodlust? You know what that means … Ute Swarm!”
- To paraphrase Orwell, some things are so stupid that only an academic could write articles about them.Posted by PW on 2006 07 28 at 02:23 AM • permalink
- O/T – Check this out.
“Screwdriver hug was no threat: Howard”
hehe, I can’t help but be reminded of the George Carlin joke: “I think the ideal present for the president would be a chocolate revolver. And because he’s so busy, you’d have to run up to him quickly, and hand it to him.”
- Dammit! The drycleaner still hasn’t got the stains out from my last uprising.Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 07 28 at 02:49 AM • permalink
- Let me be the first to ululate:
ULULULULULULULULULULULULUL!
Posted by David Morgan on 2006 07 28 at 03:03 AM • permalink
- We’re going to need plastic turkey. Lots of it. Sumerian mead. Lots of it. And ice dammit. There’s never enough ice at these lynching parties.Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 07 28 at 03:27 AM • permalink
- What should I paint on my buttocks?. So many slogans, only two cheeks.Posted by Daniel San on 2006 07 28 at 03:27 AM • permalink
Then again, that idea for a bloodthirsty celebration is excellent. Let’s begin planning.
Oo, Oo, can we have it coincide with the 1000 days anniversary of the plastic turkey? I’m making a turkey (I think Rebecca is as well) and think it would be the perfect dish for a bloodthirsty celebration.
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 07 28 at 03:32 AM • permalink
Canberra knows that Australians take strong objection to fellow citizens – whatever their crimes – being hanged, shot, electrocuted or poisoned by overseas governments, especially in developing countries…
What does that mean? Wouldn’t you find it even more objectionable if it happened, say, here?
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 07 28 at 03:42 AM • permalink
- I have heard of that terrible story before but reading the details has struck me cold. Poor girl born into a hard life and falling victim to evil theocratic bastards.
As for the Bali bombers – What happened to that poor girl is the kind of society they desire for all of us. I would like to think there is such a thing as re-incarnation – guess what I wish they come back as and where?
- Human rights are the exclusive property of captured Islamists and cannot be extended to others. If you are being persecuted and oppressed, it must be by whites – and it must be subtle. Hanging a sixteen year girl in a public square is uninteresting; a cultural phenomenon about which we are ignorant, prejudiced and most likely bigotted but offering cheap hamburgers to people in other countries – THAT is truly horrifying.
- I checked all the VRWC minions who attended the last bloodthirsty gloating celebration and it turns out that 99.9% were not thirsty for blood at all. Most were thirsty for beer. A significant number for Sumerian mead, lots and lots for the hooch we brew up in sub-basement 1289, all the Australian ones for Bundy and some maniac for absinthe(we have had him shot, an obvious moonbat mole).
Oh, the 0.1% That was Howard the Enceladan. It took us a while to realise that his favourite tipple (40% ethyl alcohol, 20% isopropyl alcohol, 10% ammonia, 10% cocoa and the rest an unholy mix of toxic chemicals topped with a dash of DDT) actually tastes just like the blood of an unpronounceable thing they rip the head off and chug-a-lug from during parties on Enceladus.
He also likes black powder.
MarkL
Canberra
So, what to do? Our Government needs to be careful, disciplined and nuanced in how it responds to the execution of Amrozi, Mukhlas and Imam Samudra.
What is it with lefties and the word nuance? I’m guessing in this case it’s a euphemism for spinelessness and the weasel words that go with it.
Tim Lindsey is waist deep in the moral relativism of comparing a drug scam with the calculated mass murder and gruesome maiming of hundreds of innocent people. And he trudges this bog hoping to goad Australians into taking a stand against the Indonesian judicial system in defense of Islamist terrorists who would happily kill and maim the bloody lot of us.
Thanks, but no thanks mate.
- I’ve heard that in some countries cranes are used for construction.Posted by Daniel San on 2006 07 28 at 08:25 AM • permalink
- He also likes black powder.
Who doesn’t?But seriously, forget the chick on the beach, or the waiter setting a table in the middle of a field. This could be the greatest boon to Australian tourism ever. you could copy the running of the bulls in Pamplona. Instead, it’d be the running of the blood thristy neo-cons in the streets of… You could even have a plastic turkey trot!
- You’ll need to do something with the heads afterward. I recommend pikes in front of the Sydney Opera House.Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 07 28 at 09:42 AM • permalink
- “And don’t forget that the 6am hanging of the poor, but brave, girl was probably done in a suburban park for all around to witness and be terrified of the judges.”
The hanging isnt even the quick western version, but the old “Tynneburn jig” variety. That is to say instead of a long drop and a sudden stop (breaking the neck if done right). This is slow strangulation.
Ant booger wanting to compare death penalties between most civillised countries and iran should have that pointed out.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 07 28 at 09:55 AM • permalink
- After all, I thought it was western values that we were at war to defend.
Now, when did a universal ban of the death penalty become a Western value, again?
Gawd, you’re one of the poorest trolls we’ve ever had. Even bongoman does that “ask stupid rhetorical questions by feigning complete ignorance” bit much better than you (okay, mainly because bongo doesn’t have to feign very hard). Can we send you to the troll minor leagues for a bit, or something? Try finding a more entertaining tack, please.
- Reading all the above, can I say that I think we are agreed.
We want:
1) Blood
2) Bundy
3) Mead
4) Anything else that’ll take your head off.. and get a good thirst up.
Mark L – bring Howard; no not that one, the other one; oh, OK bring ‘em both. Margo’s Maid – what’s happened to MM? – bring Mark Latham. Wronwright – bring Lord Rove (but stop bitching about the bloody spear will ya?). I’ll bring Lara Bingle AND Miranda Divide (hehehe).
Major piss-up and anyone who doesn’t skul a yard glass of lark’s blood is a wus!
Posted by Stop Continental Drift! on 2006 07 28 at 11:03 AM • permalink
..Australia, in principle, opposes the death penalty and would always recommend imprisonment in its place, regardless of the crime involved.
I wonder, would this view still be held if the country in question agreed to imprisonment of the guilty party with the expectation that Australia would pay for the prisoner’s upkeep?
Posted by Bashir Gemayel on 2006 07 28 at 11:15 AM • permalink
- “do you consider the sancitity of human life to be a value? “
Yes.
Do I believe that the sanctity of human life includes deliberately exposing society to the calculated risk of a known mass muderer reoffending? No. A guard was murdered in a Maryland prison by two convicted murderers this week, one of whom was convicted for an execution style crime. Both were in prison under life sentences. There have been 108 attacks on the staff during the 1st quarter of 2006.
Question to you: Does society, particularly those who disdain capital punishment, bear any responsibility for crimes committed by violent criminals who have been spared, and thus given the opportunity to wreak more havoc?
- What kind of fucked up country allows its judges to place nooses around the necks of those they’ve convicted?
I violently disagree with capital punishment – it’s institutionalised murder – and this is the most egregious, blatant example I’ve heard of lately.
The USA’s widespread acceptance of capital punishment is one of the few traits blighting the many inspirational examples of that country.
Posted by James Waterton on 2006 07 28 at 01:15 PM • permalink
- One of the definitions of a state is the reservation of or monopoly upon the legitimate use of force. This is exerted by states through police forces, armed forces, and judicial systems. Imprisoning someone, or fining them, or restricting their right to vote, move from one locale to another or own a weapon or earn a bond (required for many financial services jobs), are all considered to be legitimate courses of action for a state. Among the reasons a state will cite for these options is the need to preserve and safeguard the state, and the society within it. Capital punishment is supposed to be used when the state determines that the threat posed by a criminal is so severe that the best option for the state is execution of that threat; namely, of that person. In the case that I cited, life imprisonment was neither a deterent or a hindrance. In California, a septegenarian was executed for the simple fact that he arranged multiple murders outside from within prison. He was actually responsible for more violence while imprisoned, than he was while free.
- I should state that the plight of the Iranian girl is horrendous. I agree that capital punishment should never be employed in such a manner, and that the involvement of the judge was particularly telling in the lack of justice that girl received. I don’t believe that that case and the typical capital case in America are apt comparisons, in that basic human rights and access to justice were totally absent.
- check list:
1. placed 12th padlock on iron door to mead stash = check
2. placed killer attack dachsund on watch = check
3. send delivery of Olde Milwaukee Shoe beer instead = check; they won’t know the difference
4. make sure Karl and other dark lords get the “good stuff” (i.e., Sumerian mead from the storeroom of Sargon the Great) = double check
5. do not leave mead anywhere close to Michael Lonie or paco = check
6. provide large quantities of alcohol to Andrea and then slip into her armory to get my Zulu spear; maybe filch a paddle or two while I’m at it; if she’s totally bonked, slip a KOS cap on her head, SAVE THE POLAR BEARS sign in her hand, and a George Clooney button on her lapel, and take a snapshot for future black mailing purposes
Posted by wronwright on 2006 07 28 at 04:14 PM • permalink
- #50 RebeccaH:
Killer attack dachshund. Now that’s just overkill. And entirely unfair.Surely the word you were searching for was disproportionate?
Posted by Stop Continental Drift! on 2006 07 28 at 07:57 PM • permalink
- Paco, wronwright seems to think we can’t pick his locks. Bwhahahahahahahahaha.
As for shooting these jihadis I am outraged. Shooting is entirely too good for them, far too much like an honorable death. They should swing, like the Nazis at Nuremburg.
By the way, the Apaches had some good ideas on how to deal with the swine who killed that poor Iranian girl. ‘Tis a pity he’s not likely to experience them.
Posted by Michael Lonie on 2006 07 28 at 08:33 PM • permalink
- Yeah, James. Y’know, we don’t execute children for stealing handkerchiefs any more.
Heck, in my state, we don’t even execute a man who got mad at his wife and 1) blew up his employer’s business; 2) burned her parents to death; 3) killed his children; 4) burned his wife so badly that she is in constant pain for the rest of her life.
We’re preserving him for some purpose, nobody has explained to me what it is.
Posted by Harry Eagar on 2006 07 28 at 10:33 PM • permalink
- I heard these miserable cowards are appealing
against the death sentence. So the case could drag out until they all die comfortably of old age.
Which was probably intended in the first place.
Or maybe they will all get scuttled by some of the earthquakes they seem to be having, perhaps the Gods are sending a message.
- #25, I hate black powder, its messy as the proverbial, and you cant see the target for 3 seconds after you pull the trigger.
#35, Good idea, but I think they’ve switched to M-16/M-4’s now.
#45, I know I sound like a cold hearted bastard, but its Cost-Effective. Think about it, it costs about $100k AUD to keep marty bryant alive and locked up every year. 12’ of rope strong enough to hold a human body – $5 give or take. I’ll tie the noose for free.
And then theres NO chance he can get out and do it again.
#54, Spot on Daz.
#57, Ive always thought the Pulp Fiction concept would work well. A pair of pliers and a blowtorch. Smelly, but effective.
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2006 07 29 at 03:29 AM • permalink
- #22, Not sure why you chose Enceladus, but wouldnt Mimas be more appropriate?Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2006 07 29 at 03:33 AM • permalink
- Achillea — My aboriginal culture believed in hanging its enemies’ heads over the front door. Dressy, but effective, and it had the added virtue of being honest with visitors. Later, ca. the 1600’s, that custom declined. So did my culture.Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 07 29 at 05:55 PM • permalink
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