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UK Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt on the capture by Iran of 15 British sailors and Royal Marines:

“It was deplorable that the woman hostage should be shown smoking. This sends completely the wrong message to our young people.”

Via Larry T. As always with such a blindingly stupid quote, be alert to the possibility it’s too stupid to be true.

Posted by Tim B. on 04/01/2007 at 02:18 AM
    1. So, what has the minister been smoking?

      Posted by ellen on 2007 04 01 at 02:35 AM • permalink


    1. But at least they made her cover her dangerous hair rays so they cant be all bad. I noticed in the first film they released of the lady they had her in an arafish scarf.

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 04 01 at 02:57 AM • permalink


    1. So is she angry at the kidnappers for showing her smoking or at the young woman for having the hide to smoke somehwere near a camera?

      Neither are particularly logical but it would be interesting to know (if the quote is accurate) just what she was getting outraged about.

      Posted by Francis H on 2007 04 01 at 02:59 AM • permalink


    1. I wonder what the Health Secretary would say if they showed the woman’s head getting chopped off by Islamists.

      “This sends completely the wrong message to our young people. Don’t try this at home. Chopping off someone’s head may seriously damage their health.”

      Posted by The Best Infidel on 2007 04 01 at 03:02 AM • permalink


    1. Footage of her hanging by a rope from a crane should send the right message.
      Too many morons not enough bullets!

      Posted by haranton on 2007 04 01 at 03:10 AM • permalink


    1. “It was deplorable that the woman hostage should be shown smoking.”

      And it wasn’t deplorable that the woman hostage and 14 other servicemen were illegally abducted at gunpoint from their area of operation? Umm, what’s this silly person on about?

      Come to think of it, what’s the UK on about? Can’t bat, can’t bowl, can’t protect it’s own people in the field of battle.

      Posted by mareeS on 2007 04 01 at 03:44 AM • permalink


    1. Let’s face facts. What the hell could Australia do if one of our RHIB’s got pulled over by several Iranian gun boats. Apart from the mad mullahs mistakenly belief that they are applying critical diplomatic pressure to a small country in Europe, what exactly could Downer and co. do apart from wring hands and ring USSOCOMD.

      Posted by CB on 2007 04 01 at 04:19 AM • permalink


    1. I am still completely gobsmacked by this.

      This is the f*cking ROYAL NAVY. This is the Navy which calmly accepted the near-destruction of the Mediterranean fleet during the evacuation following the Crete disaster with Cunninghams signal ‘It takes years to build a fleet, but centuries to build a tradition. The evacuation will continue.’

      I have worked with them over past years, but had no idea they had fallen so far, so fast.

      Even 25 years ago, Argentine aggression in the Falklands was met with the despatch of a fleet, and 25,000 troops, in three days.

      The tools may still be good, but the people seem desperately weak. I suspect that Cunningham would not consider them fit to shine his boots.

      I fear the British are lost, and not with a bang, but with the most pathetic of whimpers.


      Posted by MarkL on 2007 04 01 at 04:22 AM • permalink


    1. I’m not sure the “wrong message” wasn’t sent by the RN itself the minute it allowed women anywhere near these sorts of deployments. That said, the quote (if true) is a timely reminder of the vastly p.c. and stupid/dark side to Blair’s Britain. Alas, his welcome and heroic resolve in relation to Iraq doesn’t rhyme at all with his domestic governance.

      Posted by C.L. on 2007 04 01 at 04:30 AM • permalink


    1. yes Patricia the correct message is that all Brits should bow down and accept islamic domination. In that respect poor Ms TURney as hardly failed has she, so you could at least praise her for that.
      if this poor woman is beheaded whilst smoking her last ciggy, will you have the ciggy edited out of the snuff movie?

      Posted by davo on 2007 04 01 at 04:39 AM • permalink


    1. CB

      Let’s face facts. What the hell could Australia do if one of our RHIB’s got pulled over by several Iranian gun boats. Apart from the mad mullahs mistakenly belief that they are applying critical diplomatic pressure to a small country in Europe, what exactly could Downer and co. do apart from wring hands and ring USSOCOMD.

      Yeah, fair enough. Except AFAIK our frigates stay within direct line of sight support and 5” gun range, and tend to have a helo up. While air support might not have been racked and stacked, it will be close. The gulf just aint that big.

      The real question to me is who the stuffing HELL dropped the ball on the surface picture plot? How did some IRG armed craft get within sighting distance without being spotted, let alone within hailing distance? What was the boarding party doing, playing scrabble and pulling themselves? Why no lookouts aboard ship? Why was their RHIB not standing off and circling the freighter?

      If a RHIB was out with the boarding aprty aboard an anchored freighter, it should have been standing off to prevent this, or a jihadi run in a suicide boat for that matter.

      Where the hell was Cornwall, and why was her boarding party exposed like shags on a rock with no support, no SA and apparently not a care in the world?

      No, something was horribly wrong with their procedures, posture, surface plot, support and situational awareness.

      As for responses we could manage, I dunno, a couple of AGM-143 into each of their damned Kilos in Bandar Abbas might be a nicely pointed message. OK we’d need to stage via Dodge to do it, and the 111’s would have to run afterwards like an Arab Armoured corps with a jeepload of IDF female soldiers after it, I grant you that.

      But even a more realistic severing of diplo ties and seizure of their diplomats, students, tourists etc and all their government financial assets would be something.

      These barbarians have been getting away scot-free with this sort of crap since 1979, PRAYING MANTIS excepted.


      Posted by MarkL on 2007 04 01 at 04:43 AM • permalink


    1. mark
      Even in those days masses of uk moonbats were shouting for Maggie to be tried for war crimes for the sinking of the Delgrano and portraying the whole thing as an act of imperialist aggression. At least in those days the BBC etc were not rushing to cover the leftist demos.

      Posted by davo on 2007 04 01 at 04:43 AM • permalink


    1. #12 That was the Belgrano…

      Posted by anthony_r on 2007 04 01 at 04:48 AM • permalink


    1. Perhaps they did phone Tony Blair to authorise engagement. And instead got Cherie who told them to surrender or sail away.

      Seriously, how mush time would they have had to decide to rescue their own personel after they radar spotted the Iranian ship?

      Posted by davo on 2007 04 01 at 04:50 AM • permalink


    1. #7.  What the hell could Australia do? Blow the bastards out of the water is what I hope we’d do and what HMS Cornwall should have done. The Islamicists despise us not only because we are infidels but also because they perceive us as dissolute, weak and spineless. Unfortunately this case suggests their belief is correct.

      Posted by Ubique on 2007 04 01 at 04:54 AM • permalink


    1. What’s deplorable is the sad end of a once glorious national spirit.
      Now, more than ever, Britannia needs a sign.

      Posted by lotocoti on 2007 04 01 at 04:55 AM • permalink


    1. CB : Air strike by F-111s on Iranian oilfields or other critical infrastructure?

      That will be an option, I suppose, until we scrap those birds. Then we’ll be limited to sending them a Polaroid of our P.M. flipping them the bird, or preferably mooning them. Unfortunately I doubt that would have the same effect.

      Posted by Nicholas on 2007 04 01 at 04:58 AM • permalink


    1. That will be an option, I suppose, until we scrap those birds. Then we’ll be limited to sending them a Polaroid of our P.M. flipping them the bird, or preferably mooning them. Unfortunately I doubt that would have the same effect.

      Well said.
      I reckon sending a cartoon should get them angry enough to start killing eachother.

      Posted by kae on 2007 04 01 at 05:21 AM • permalink


    1. #11
      It will be interesting to see if their lordships relieve the CO
      of his command.

      Posted by lotocoti on 2007 04 01 at 05:24 AM • permalink


    1. Tony Blair is behaving just like Jimmy Cater did when the Iranians sized the US Embassy ie gutless. The Uk badly needs a Ronald Reagan or an Andrei Gromyko to threaten to blow Iran away if the captives are not immediately released.  The British shoulds have seized a few Iranian sailors to hold in response.

      This is not just tweaking the British lion’s tail; the mangy old beast is being well and truly rooted.  Lord Palmerston must be spinning in his grave.

      Posted by Big Arnie on 2007 04 01 at 05:33 AM • permalink


    1. That should be Carter.

      Posted by Big Arnie on 2007 04 01 at 05:34 AM • permalink


    1. Poor Nanny-throttled U.K. I’m sure Scotland,Wales and Northern Ireland will not be concerned over the problems of the “English” Navy though.They’re probably busy denying any relationship now.
      Sad to see the Brits sinking so low.
      Meanwhile o/t
      The Australians’s Magazine this weekend boasts a purply prosed homage to Maxine Mckew,authored by Caro Overton.
      Impressively bound in TWO glitzy cover pages.Tsk think of the trees!
      Apparently Max has been christened Mckewjumper -for displacing the modest ALP plumber who wanted that seat.
      In a lovingly crafted article Caro pleads the case of the “motherless child who polished herself into a jewel -a steely and gracious jewel,and one who “passes the fruitbowl test,waving at a bowl PLUMP with oranges.”
      Our scribe enters Max’s glossy North Shore abode (cleaners have been through the house, polishing the floorboards and filling the vases with flowers) and notes that she is “curled deep in a corner of her sofa”.
      As she brutally questions Max on her past,she writes “just from looking at her I can see Mckew’s heart beating furiously and there is a shadow,just a hint of sorrow in her expression.”she snuggles deeper into the corner of the sofa as if for protection” and “she settles into the sofa twisting a gold earring”. Maxine is the kind of person “who had disastrous on and off love affairs” and “would not serve a cup of tea without a matching saucer.”

      Posted by crash on 2007 04 01 at 05:38 AM • permalink


    1. #22
      A good thing I didn’t waste my time reading it… I don’t think I could stand the violins.

      Posted by kae on 2007 04 01 at 05:41 AM • permalink


    1. Well I would have thought that statement was classic april fools, but everyone here seems to be moaning the fact that Madge is no longer PM of the UK.

      I would have thought there wee enough special forces to deal with half a division of Iran’s finest while collecting the hostages, assuming they are all in the same place.

      And as for what could Australia do, Well there is always the option of a brace of 500 pounders lobbed from a flight of f-18s into Iran’s only refinery (as pointed out by Steyn).  Give Iran the option.  give ‘em back of rooted economy.

      /armchair commando

      Posted by entropy on 2007 04 01 at 05:56 AM • permalink


    1. That should be “give ‘em back or it’s a rooted economy.”

      Posted by entropy on 2007 04 01 at 05:57 AM • permalink


    1. #22 cont..
      She is the kind of person “who has never done anything to cheapen her image -like posing in a feather boa” and has long been in possession of a manager for her corporate appearances.When described as baby boomer crumpet she “blushes and hugs her knees” and she terms her Catholic faith “fragile”.
      Like “her mate Doogue” she attended a Catholic school.
      Maxine was paid $6,000 a month to work for Kevin and she admires Whitlam, Hawke and Keating..(we guessed) and says “Labor has always had my heart.” Describing herself as being on the Left of all the main issues-which would account for her being the partner of Bob Hogg, she leaves the cooking to him. Bob still looks like “an older James Dean in low slung blue jeans” and is the ALP past National president. He was a strategist and number cruncher who still works as a political consultant and is believed to be behind her bid.
      Apparently Hendo has asked “how will she feel when she has worn out her tenth pair of Italian shoes?” No doubt she will be sustained by her being “so deeply impressed by Rudd that it is as tho she has been EVANGELIZED. She is FEVERISH about him and excited by the way Kev interprets the Labor message”. Opinion editor of the Oz has previously stated that her past comments on “the inevitability of Latham’s accession” show that she “clearly had sympathies for the Labor Leader while working at the ABC and clearly got Latham horribly wrong.”
      Btw Caro, your not Maxine’s long lost godmother of summink are you?

      Posted by crash on 2007 04 01 at 05:59 AM • permalink


    1. Here is maxines James Dean

      She needs glasses.

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 04 01 at 06:04 AM • permalink


    1. …Er I do hope Cheryl doesn’t read the Oz -or is she still in London convenient to Gareth?

      Posted by crash on 2007 04 01 at 06:05 AM • permalink


    1. Shit crash, it was nuaiating enough in the OZ mag, do you have to put it verbatim here too? Anyway, the OZ mag has always been a load of tripe, especially the back bit.

      Personally I was shocked that Caroline Overton would so brazenly expose her lack of objectivity, but I guess you could look on it as a bit of an own goal: No self respecting individual could vote for Maxine now.

      Posted by entropy on 2007 04 01 at 06:06 AM • permalink


    1. nauseating I mean

      Posted by entropy on 2007 04 01 at 06:07 AM • permalink


    1. I believe the title and content of a Xavier Herbert novel accurately reflect the plight of Britain and Britons today.


      Posted by Pogria on 2007 04 01 at 06:10 AM • permalink


    1. #29 Shit happens amigo…

      Posted by crash on 2007 04 01 at 06:14 AM • permalink


    1. #32 Just ask poor old Thorpie…

      Posted by crash on 2007 04 01 at 06:31 AM • permalink


    1. So the only words of genuine outrage to come from the British government, the only sentence not carefully constructed to offend no one, is spoken some twit spewing PC vomit!  I thought my disgust over this episode couldn’t get any deeper, but I see I was wrong.  It’s the US and Australia, my friends.  We’re all that’s left of that once great country.  And when I look at what goes on in our countries, I have to worry.

      MarkL, you hit several nails right on their obviously flat heads.  There is everything wrong with how the players have acted, from the gulf to the seat of government.

      Posted by saltydog on 2007 04 01 at 06:31 AM • permalink


    1. Thanks Salty. Something was seriously wrong with the tactical situation.

      I mean we all have days when in uniform that turn into a complete clusterf***, but for each link in the chain to fail??

      As for the politicans, you nailed it: ‘sentence not carefully constructed to offend no one, is spoken some twit spewing PC vomit’.

      I am so stealing that.


      Posted by MarkL on 2007 04 01 at 06:43 AM • permalink


    1. I also wondered at the propriety of showing head hacking.

      Anyone else seen the new Toohey’s New ad? It’s silly, I love it. (Not as good as the XXXX one with the fishing weekend.)

      Posted by kae on 2007 04 01 at 06:45 AM • permalink


    1. The mother of the free has atrophied under Blair. I think if you look closely at Churchill’s statue opposite Westminster, you can see tears in the corner of his eyes.

      Posted by Penguin on 2007 04 01 at 06:50 AM • permalink


    1. #8,

      I think ABC might have been a relative of mine3.

      Posted by Nic on 2007 04 01 at 07:00 AM • permalink


    1. One of Mark Steyn’s correspondents observes:

      One of my favorite pieces of yours was your skewering of Max Hastings, when that pompous fool lumbered into the press and proceeded to lecture the Yanks – after they had conquered Iraq in three weeks – that they knew nothing about waging war (if that’s the case, one wonders why he isn’t speaking German today).  I’m curious how he feels now.  The most storied fleet in the history of man – the one navy the U.S. Navy reveres – allows its sailors to be attacked and herded away like cattle by Persian pirates, while one of Her Majesty’s warships stands meekly by and watches, and while Harriers sit idly at their base in Basra.  How the mighty have fallen.  These days, nothing is inconceivable, but surely that comes close.  One cannot help recalling what Churchill said to Chamberlain & Co. after Munich, “You had a choice between shame and war. You have chosen shame, and you will get war.”

      Steyn then re-posts the 2003 column mentioned.

      Posted by C.L. on 2007 04 01 at 07:04 AM • permalink


    1. Considering the science and propaganda behind the gloebbel warning brouhaha some people might be interested to read “In Defense of Smokers”.

      Posted by Janice on 2007 04 01 at 07:11 AM • permalink


    1. My son is currently in the Gulf with with the OZ navy.  I would like to think that the Australians would react with more vigour under similar circumstances

      Posted by Jack from Montreal on 2007 04 01 at 07:25 AM • permalink


    1. #37 – The mother of the free has atrophied under Blair.

      Perhaps he’s taking advice from Christine Nixon.

      Posted by walterplinge on 2007 04 01 at 07:45 AM • permalink


    1. #7.  Knowing the CO of HMAS TOOWOMBA (our frigate currently in the Gulf) and most of her boarding party I’d lay money on there being gunfire… lots and lots of gunfire ending in some Aussie 5 inch fuck you.

      Posted by Guardian_Angel on 2007 04 01 at 07:49 AM • permalink


    1. #11 & #17:
      Of the F-111s that the Gipper sent to bomb Gaddafi, only two or three actually made it to target (memory of precise figures dims with age), and one of them was shot down on the way out. Not wanting to hurt the feelings of any aardvark jockeys who might visit this blog, but the F-111 is an airborne Skoda (one of the old ones, anyway) except with worse handling and less power.

      When deployed in Vietnam, the F-111 imediately did its bit for global warming by punching holes in the canopy and setting the jungle on fire. Except it did it with its nose.

      It can barely stay aloft on one engine, handles like a bus and has, unless they’ve changed it since I took a stronger interest in these things, an exhaust trail that can be seen from the moon.

      It’s been a blot on the sky since 1963, when Johnson stole the contract away from Boeing (which won it by fair tender all of six times) and gave it to general dynamics, one of his homestate’s largest employers. Menszies bought it unseen and unflown off the drawingboard, and for a while we had a far better plane, the F-4 Phantom, which Washington lent us to fill the gap and cool off what had become by that stage a political scandal in both the U.S. and Australia. The British very sensibly ordered a few to be nice, then scrapped the order quietly so no one’s feelings would be hurt.

      The U.S. navy wouldn’t touch it and the only good it achieved was accidental: it inspired the stupid Russians to build their own hamfisted imitation, an even worse monstrosity.

      The F-111 is a dog. The Iranians must be hoping that someone sends over a bunch of them for target practice.

      Posted by Phranger on 2007 04 01 at 07:59 AM • permalink


    1. The UK Health Secretary is doing nothing more than looking after the young lasses health. She is to be commended.
      Meanwhile, back in the old dart itself, strange things are afoot in an English country garden

      Posted by Whale Spinor on 2007 04 01 at 08:30 AM • permalink


    1. While I understand and sympathise with the sentiments here, I’m not sure it would be strategically wise to expend Western political and actual ammunition over a sideshow created by Iranian fanaticism and (perhaps) Royal Navy incompetence. Iran must be confronted and regime-changed because of its nuclear ambitions. This bigger issue can’t be jeopardised by the fall-out and gridlock that would inevitably follow a mini-war over this latest Iranian provocation. I know, there shouldn’t be any fallout or gridlock following justified retaliation but we have to go to war with the politics we have, unfortunately.

      Posted by C.L. on 2007 04 01 at 08:31 AM • permalink


    1. Funny Phranger, that goes counter to everything I’ve been told by F-111 pilots and seen at airshows.

      It most certainly is not a “skoda”. It’s one of the fastest planes in the sky. It can hit Mach 2.5, and what’s more, it can sustain supersonic flight for quite a while, unlike more modern jets, thanks to its large reserve of fuel. The same large fuel reserve and swing wings give it a good cruise range at lower speeds.

      It’s certainly no slouch in the maneuverability area either. It’s no dogfighter, but it handles quite well for a bomber, thank you.

      Our pilots are good and well-trained. Probably the biggest weakness of the aircraft is reliability. However, we’ve been flying them with pretty good success for years now.

      Frankly I don’t think that’s an accurate characterisation at all. It certainly would be tricky doing a long-range strike with multiple mid-air refueling. Still, a few well-placed bombs in their refinery and they can kiss billions goodbye. Only one plane would actually have to make it all the way to totally ruin their day.

      I don’t know where you’ve gotten your information, I’d be interested to know.

      Posted by Nicholas on 2007 04 01 at 09:28 AM • permalink


    1. Britain. In. A. Nutshell.

      Posted by murph on 2007 04 01 at 09:30 AM • permalink


    1. Ah, here is some good information on the Libya strike. 24 aircraft left, 5 aborted, 1 was shot down. 18 reaching their target is hardly “two or three”. If the first sentence of your post is so inaccurate, Phranger, I’m not sure how much I can trust the rest of it.

      By the way the reason the US Navy ditched the F-111 was because it turned out too heavy for carrier operations – something that isn’t really an issue for a land-based force. The F-14 is pretty similar to the F-111 – same engines, swing wings – it’s just a smaller, lighter and slightly more modern plane. The Navy’s refusal had little to do with the aircraft’s capabilities, mainly its weight.

      Posted by Nicholas on 2007 04 01 at 09:33 AM • permalink


    1. #45, Whale Spinor, you’ve just sent thousands of women into meltdown. We finally got you fellows used to blood pressure medication and the consequent lack of stiffening in the nether regions. We were all getting used to a good night’s sleep. Now you’ve told everyone to grow white heather and infuse it in whisky. My husband’s a Scot and will love that suggestion if I don’t kill him first.
      Cheers, MareeS

      Posted by mareeS on 2007 04 01 at 10:05 AM • permalink


    1. Meanwhile the Iranians resort to old tricks again.

      Posted by 68W40 on 2007 04 01 at 10:13 AM • permalink


    1. The F-111 crashed once or twice during development as I remember, watching on black and white TV. Designers were having trouble with the swing-wing capability. Cruelly, the joke back then was “they’ve finally got the wings to stay on, but now the fuselage keeps falling off”.

      Posted by splice on 2007 04 01 at 10:26 AM • permalink


    1. #44 Phranger

      Reminds me of the old joke,
      Q :”How do you get your own F111?”
      A : You buy a block of land and wait for one to fall out of the sky.

      At the time that joke was going around, in the early 70s from memory, Australia was having a few teething problems with them.

      Things are looking grim these days.
      Britain needs to lay off the socialist welfare programs and beef up the military.
      Maybe we all should.

      Socialism – is there anything it doesn’t screw up?

      Posted by Mike_W on 2007 04 01 at 10:36 AM • permalink


    1. P.S. If Phranger doesn’t like the F-111 and thinks it’s crap, fine, (s)he is entitled to that opinion. But at least state accurate figures when pointing out how crap it is, please. I’ve explained some of the reasons that I think it’s a pretty good plane – in short, it’s faster and more maneuverable than a bomber, but carries more bombs over longer distances than a fighter – not bad. Old, sure, but they seem to have worked most of the wrinkles out by now.

      Anyway this is all theoretical, thankfully nobody kidnapped our sailors and hopefully if they tried we’d let them have both barrels before it got to that stage. I just hope if we ever find ourselves in such a situation, we won’t have become as pussified as the English clearly have.

      Posted by Nicholas on 2007 04 01 at 11:14 AM • permalink


    1. F-14 Tomcat

      F-15 Eagle

      F-16 Falcon

      F-18 Hornet

      F-117 Nighthawk

      F-22 Raptor

      F-111 Anteater?

      Posted by splice on 2007 04 01 at 11:37 AM • permalink


    1. F-35 Lightening II, baby.

      Posted by splice on 2007 04 01 at 11:54 AM • permalink


    1. Hmmmm.


      I want a President:

      1. Who is strong enough to tell the rest of the world to go f**k themselves.

      2. To tell Kim Jong Il that if he doesn’t wise up pretty damn fast he’ll be hanging from a rope.

      3. That’ll bomb the shit out of the nuke facilities and surrounding infrastructure just to piss off the Iranians.

      4. That’ll offer to help the Iranian mullahs to meet Allah by way of a JDAM.

      5. Tell the Saudi’s in no uncertain terms that any citizen of that country that supports, however directly or indirectly, terrorists will be assassinated.  And if they don’t like it they can go f**k themselves because we’ll turn their pissant country back to the time when they were goat-f**kers in tents looking for a bit of shade.

      6. That’ll tell the bastards in Europe to stop glomming off the US and start looking out for themselves.  And remove all US troops from Europe, reposition US forces into Poland and the Czech Republic.  And tell Germany, France, Belgium and the rest to their faces that if they try to invoke NATO for any damn thing we’ll pull out of the treaty.

      7. That’ll tell our NATO “allies” to buy their own damn heavy lift military aircraft and stop using ours because they’re too damn cheap to buy their own.

      8. Tell the Chinese to stop f**king around with our economy and open theirs to our companies or we’ll embargo the Chinese and let them rot.

      9. Tell Mugabe in Zimbabwe to shape up or he’ll be buried in an unmarked grave with a bullet hole in his head.  I’m really tired of that bastard.

      10. Tell the rest of the dictator-enabling bastard in Africa that the money-spigot is off.  Shape up or we’ll go about arming the populaces to replace them.

      11. Provide weapons, training and money to the Christians in Darfur to fight back.  I’d include the muslims but I’m frankly tired of spending cash and lives to save muslims and them turning around and shafting us.  Or worse yet waiting until we’ve fixed things up to then go after the Christians.

      So screw the muslims, they’re on their own.

      Posted by memomachine on 2007 04 01 at 12:11 PM • permalink


    1. Hmmm.

      And oh yeah:

      12. Bring Ahmadinejad to the US for a UN conference and then take the opportunity to hang the f**ker right in the UN’s General Assembly.  The United Nations has turned out to be a big enabler for the most vicious useless turds in history.  And they all depend on the UN for money, support and political power.

      I’d like to the see the expressions on their faces when they realize just how useless the UN can be when Ahmadinejad starts doing the rope dance.

      Posted by memomachine on 2007 04 01 at 12:15 PM • permalink


    1. Too stupid to be true? It’s a government employee.

      Posted by Iowan on 2007 04 01 at 01:32 PM • permalink


    1. #7 CB;

      What the hell could Australia do if one of our RHIB’s got pulled over by several Iranian gun boats.

      Call for air support?

      Seriously, a similar question was asked of an Iraqi officer a while back after an Iranian attack on an Iraqi unit near the border, whether air support would do any good. His response went something like “Are you kidding me? We know what ‘death from above’ means.”

      But you do have to have it on call.

      Posted by steveH on 2007 04 01 at 02:02 PM • permalink


    1. You have to wonder what UK Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt will say when the hostages are released and it turns out they weren’t treated as well as Iran insists they are (especially the woman).

      #50, MareeS, I hear you.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2007 04 01 at 02:54 PM • permalink


    1. MarkL—The captain of Cornwall was ordered by civilian authority in London NOT to fire on the Iranians when the situation began.

      With hindsight, he should have followed the words of the US destroyer captain on the China station who didn’t wait to support some besieged European and American civilians when he said, “We’ll either get a court martial or a medal out of this.  Let her go…” and opened fire.  He seems to forgotten to use his wireless.

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 04 01 at 03:14 PM • permalink


    1. From my Maui News review of ‘Operation El Dorado Canyon,’ a history of the US raid on Libya:

      ‘The Air Force component was a disaster, only one of 18 planes hitting its target. Nearly half the planes had technical failures. The Navy strike was more successful but the weight of ordnance was too light to be effective.

      ‘Stanik unaccountably describes this demonstration as an operational success that showed the capability of weaponry and the skill of American warriors. Skill they had, but their weapons didn’t work.

      ‘Nearly half the F-111F planes never managed to drop their bombs, the targeting systems failed to work in combat conditions and the Aegis radars were unable to discriminate targets—the last a portent of a much more consequential failure the next year when Aegis shot down an airliner in the Persian Gulf.’

      The American pilots did not call the F-111 the Anteater but the Aardvark. A friend who flew the ‘Vark says it was damn hard to handle.

      Sorry, Ozzies, you’d be screwed. But you could seize their embassy in Canberra, I guess.

      Posted by Harry Eagar on 2007 04 01 at 04:21 PM • permalink


    1. “It was deplorable that the woman hostage should be shown smoking. This sends completely the wrong message to our young people.”

      Inside Sydney’s government funded heroin injecting room at Kings Cross, there are NO SMOKING signs.

      Posted by JAFA on 2007 04 01 at 04:34 PM • permalink


    1. Thanks Nicholas @ 47
      Everyone I have met who has ever worked on or with the F111 has loved it.
      Australia also modifies their F111s to F111C, I think, which are very well suited to Australia’s purposes.

      Posted by kae on 2007 04 01 at 05:49 PM • permalink


    1. #62 Richard:

      MarkL—The captain of Cornwall was ordered by civilian authority in London NOT to fire on the Iranians when the situation began.

      Thanks, new info to me. This will not stop them blaming HIM for the mess, and probably totalling his career. Certainly if he were my CO I’d want off that ship yesterday, because I’s have no confidence in the CO to meet his first and largest duty as a CO, the protection of his ship and his crew. If ever there was a time for a CO to have a very unfortunate communications failure, that man had it. More than that I do not ahve the information to say. And it still says nothing about the tactical situation and his/their situational awareness. Something was badly screwed up in seveal ways to let this happen.

      The F-111 issue.

      Sorry guys, but our ‘varks are very, VERY different birds from yours. We long ago optimised them for maritime strike. They’ve been flying with the ability to salvo 4 Harpoon down someone’s throat for 20 years IIRC. The only bomb-truck ‘varks we had (not fitted for maritime strike) were the four RF-111C. Ours are also fitted for POPEYE (AGM-142 – did I get that right??) and the usual LGB. Not sure of the mod state for the PAVE TACK but it works for close range fun.

      Out ‘varks have been serious maritime strike/stand-off hitters for a long time.

      The G models a crazed politician bought from Davis Monthan proved to be clunkers, it is true, we had to re-engine and do other stuff, but they did take the strain off of circuits and bumps work which was killing our birds.

      OK, they have the radar cross section of a houseboat and are nicknamed the pig for good reason, but out here their good radar and long, long legs make up for that. Very good birds for what we use them for. Replacing them with F-18D makes no sense. We shoulda bought one of Mr Sukhoi’s fine products to cover that gap. Or Strike Eagle.


      Posted by MarkL on 2007 04 01 at 07:26 PM • permalink


    1. #45 Whale-O, amy I suggest read the date of the article.

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 04 01 at 07:55 PM • permalink


    1. Thanks Mark L, I knew that F111s in Aus had been modified for Australian requirements and did the job ‘we’ wanted very well.
      See, even tho the ex worked on F111s and PAVE TACK, I didn’t know anything about it… or he’da had to make me carbon neutral…
      (though it might have saved him some money in the settlement)

      Posted by kae on 2007 04 01 at 07:57 PM • permalink


    1. #46 C.L I thinkthe way top bring Regime Change about is to attack teh revolutionary guard and elave everything else, inclduing the regular military. It is the IRG that the regime relies upon, indeed is; I doubt they have nmuch support from the regulars or the populace.

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 04 01 at 07:57 PM • permalink


    1. “It was deplorable that the woman hostage should be shown smoking. This sends completely the wrong message to our young people.”

      So far no-one has said this is a fraud, so a big early tip for Stupidest Comment of the Year by a Pollie?

      My first thought was that the Navy woman was so anxious for a smoke they simply said:  “Put on this scarf and learn these lines, and you can have as many as you need.”
      Nicotine can do that.

      My second thought is that she might have been enjoying a quiet drag instead of watching out for trouble to the vessel.
      She got trouble.

      Thought no3:
      If the RN is as incompetent a MarkL says it is, maybe they DID stray into the wrong place too?

      Posted by Barrie on 2007 04 01 at 08:00 PM • permalink


    1. No, the Brits were operating under UN ROEs.  WHY ANY country would allow their armed forces to take commands from the UN is beyond me … especially the UN’s tendency to view blue hats as a disposable asset.

      Posted by rabidfox on 2007 04 01 at 09:46 PM • permalink


    1. “It was deplorable that the woman hostage should be shown smoking. This sends completely the wrong message to our young people.”

      Jeezus Christ on a Crutch.

      Words fail….

      Posted by Barbara Skolaut on 2007 04 01 at 10:30 PM • permalink


    1. It was deplorable that the woman hostage should be showing her face. This sends an un-Islamic message to our young people.

      Posted by Penguin on 2007 04 02 at 12:14 AM • permalink


    1. We did the logisitcs for the Pavetac upgrade, and it’s Israeli navy spec- the Seascan aircraft we operated for a while in Customs had similar gear, and it’s the ducks guts- you can pick up a fart from an Indonesian fisherman at about 30 nautical miles, and electronically tag him for receipt of ordnance if so required. All of the pigs operated by the RAAF now are G spec, and using TFR can be from Amberley to Jakarta range in a couple of hours (fuel stop at Tindall), blow the fuck out of the place and be back in the mess before anyone’s set off an air-raid alarm. Certainly they’re old, lumbering and nosy, but they’re fast and can run full wick 50m off the deck.

      As to the pathetic response of the Poms (and I agree with the US admiral who asked why they allowed themselves to be captured in the first place- the Iranian navy’s not exactly the Kreigsmarine), my response would be to place a blockade on Kharg Island, thus preventing all oil exports, expel all Iranian consular staff and any non-residents with Iranian passports, seize all assets and bank accounts and suspend share/commodity trading involving Iranian companies.

      If bankrupting the Persian Pricks doesn’t work, then a joint SAS raid/naval/air assault on Iranian naval assets would be just the ticket.

      That or just nuke the fuckers and steal their oil.

      Posted by Habib on 2007 04 02 at 12:31 AM • permalink


    1. Smoke the Iranians!

      Posted by Howzat on 2007 04 02 at 07:09 AM • permalink


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