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Federal Human Services minister Ian Campbell met with former Labor premier and criminal Brian Burke for 20 minutes last year to discuss a proposed indigenous cultural centre. Campbell has subsequently resigned.
Labor leader Kevin Rudd met with Burke three times in 2005 to discuss … well, he can’t entirely recall. Rudd subsequently held a 45-minute press conference.
UPDATE. Did Kevni Ruff tell a lie?
Kevin Rudd’s public account of his dinner with disgraced former premier Brian Burke has been directly contradicted by one of the invited guests.
The Perth businessman, one of Mr Burke’s clients who was invited to the dinner, told The Weekend Australian yesterday the dinner was deliberately arranged and paid for by Mr Burke to introduce “a future leader of the Opposition” to West Australian businessmen, who were his clients, and also to state bureaucrats.
Hmm. Further to the above:
It has been revealed a Western Australian Labor Party heavyweight was touting Kevin Rudd as a future Prime Minister just days after Mr Rudd met the controversial lobbyist Brian Burke two years ago.
UPDATE II. Rudd enthusiast Christopher Sheil – cautiously reintroducing himself to blogdom after 2004’s exhausting year of blogging dangerously – shuts down comments and runs away following criticism of his little mate. Who associates with known criminals.
UPDATE III. Editorial in the Age:
Just a few days ago Rudd had Howard looking baffled; now Howard has Rudd on the run.
UPDATE IV. More trouble for Kevni:
In a startling revelation that calls into question Mr Rudd’s version of events at Perugino Restaurant in West Perth on August 1, 2005, it can be revealed the then shadow foreign affairs minister was the booked headline act at Mr Burke’s private soiree.
- Geez, one of the ultra-dangerous commenters that made Sheil cower in fear was ‘whyisitso’? That guy was laughed out of the room here, so uninspiring was his cookie-cutter leftoid prose. To paraphrase the sheilvoyant: I find it hard to escape the feeling that we are watching the (intellectual) death throes of an old deluded fool.Posted by PW on 2007 03 03 at 01:57 PM • permalink
- It seems ‘The Age’ has decided that Rudd’s position is untenable (barring any sudden recall of his meetings with Burke) and has jumped ship.Posted by under the whip on 2007 03 03 at 02:50 PM • permalink
- Yes, great work CL, I read your posts on Sheil’s ALP propaganda site, you really got them spinning deliriously!
Hilarious too, reading after one of your posts the knee jerk counter post.
I suppose the delusionals think that by counter posting each time they can “offset” a post they don’t like – “blog emission offsets” (TM) anyone?
Ha ha ha, Rudd exposed as the marshmallow he is. And to borrow CL’s phrase, he remembers his Mandarin and not what he said to his best bud Burke.
And why doesn’t Rudd rather speak Cantonese – isn’t that the commoner language, the language of the great proletarian masses, and isn’t a “Mandarin” our somewhat derogatory term for a career public servant?
Here’s a thought. Why doesn’t he go to China and stand for political office there. O, that’s right . .
Now comes news of a $70k statue of Al Grassby, FFS, to be put up by Stanhopeless in the ACT. Can these people get any more stereotyped as old style Communists?
- McKewriouser and McKewriouser. Rudd and McKew. Her stunt and his stunt.Posted by stackja1945 on 2007 03 03 at 06:14 PM • permalink
- #7
Rudd was just doing the normal jockeying within the Party by a potential leader that would occur on both sides.
However, he has shown to the electorate his poor judgement for a potential leader of the country in being desperate enough to meet with the tainted Burke; especially as Burke’s whiff has recently increased.
The meetings may have been reasonably innocent, but non-disclosure leads to speculation about corruption, for which Burke is notorious.The Rudder has turned to the wrong Fork-in-the-Road …
- As the old saying goes, we should “follow the money”.
In the UK, the Tories have found that their new leader is a wizard at extracting cash from donors – in particular, high net-worth individuals rather than the more traditional big business. Donations are pouring in.
The way the Tories do it is to organise regular dinners with the leader, and some donors are forking out 50,000 quid a year for the privilege of a couple of feeds with the big man.
Is this what Rudd was up to? Soliciting donations from WA businessmen, either to fund his tilt at the leadership, or to cement his credentials within the Labor party as someone who can bring in the money? After all, one measure of the effectiveness of a leader is how much money they can raise to fight elections. If no money is coming in, the party is doomed, and thus the leader is doomed.
In his day, Burke was very good at extracting money from the big end of town – people like Bond and “last resort” Laurie threw lots of cash his way. Maybe Kevin saw Burke as the best way to tap into the tsunami of resources-boom money flowing through Perth?
If I was a leftie running for office, the only reason I’d meet with businessmen is to strong arm them into coughing up cheques. It will be interesting to see if donations were made at or after the dinner, and for now much (and if Burke got a cut as the fixer).
Posted by mr creosote on 2007 03 03 at 06:33 PM • permalink
- #12 Rudd had a few roadblocks to his ambitions in 2005, the chief of which was that (opposition leader at the time) Beazley is a well loved and respected WA politician. Rudd needed an ally to develop support in WA. Which clearly, Burke was willing to provide, obviously out of the goodness of his heart. Couldn’t be for any other reason. Positively Faustian.
- There is also one crucial thing that we don’t know about this dinner:
How many forks were on the table?
Was it an entree/main/dessert type meal with three forks, or just a main and dessert with two forks? Were all the forks on the table at the beginning of the meal, or did the waiters lay out one fork, and then put down another fork at the start of each course?
And how much money of course did those attending the dinner fork out.
/fork over, fork out.
Posted by mr creosote on 2007 03 03 at 06:43 PM • permalink
- Its hard for people outside WA to understand just how thouroughly Burke placed his creatures into positions of influence and power within the WA public service.
People marginaly or unqualified have been placed in positions of power and influence from the 80’s on.
He effectively had a line of new candidates primed for the next vacancies in parliment, usually from civil service backgrounds. That ensured personal loyalty from the CS and influence into the next generation of labor pollies.
Heres one of his appointments. My old man met her during the 80’s when she was still living in the rajneeshi cult compound in Perth. Shortly after Burkie placed her in a senior public service position. She didnt leave till she was accused of corruption.
The story.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 03 03 at 06:45 PM • permalink
- #15
The Rudder was the house guest of Graham Edwards, apparently the go-between, and the met with Burke 3 times on the one day; yet Burke’s appearance at the restaurant gathering was a surprise to the Rudder … stretches credibility.Burke is said to have paid the restaurant bill for the gathering’s meals and circulated an email (after?) the meeting touting that Rudd was the guest of honour at the meeting (email apparently published in a Perth newspaper).
Labor are publicly denying (Peter Dowding, Graham Edwards) that the Rudder was lobbying for the leadership at the time, further cloaking the nature of the meetings as clandestine.
- More on Raynor
WA needs an enquiry into not only the pollies but also many of the legal proffessionals infesting it. The failure of many cases to secure convictions in political/corruption matters is near legendary. By the way Raynor was found not guilty. Read the story and tell me how that conclusion was reached?
Something stinks in WA and a fish rots from the head first.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 03 03 at 07:12 PM • permalink
- I love the section half-way through the thread where the Sheila admonishes our CL:
“You’re without friends in your position Currency, and should be advised to save yourself at this point.”
Somehow, I don’t think CL was delivering from on-high with any expectation of converting any of the true believers on the Sheila’s site.
The Sheila didn’t just shut down and run away – he and his mates were driven from the field by the fearless Currency.
- The West Australian has obtained an emailed invitation from Mr Burke dated several days before the dinner which contradicts Mr Rudd’s account. The email makes it clear Mr Rudd was the guest of honour. “Julian Grill and I would be delighted if you would be our guest at dinner with Kevin Rudd, the Opposition Spokesperson on Foreign Affairs in the Federal Parliament at 7pm on Monday August 1st at the Perugino Restaurant Cnr Murray and Outram Streets in West Perth,” the invitation reads. “Those who have accepted are business people and it should be an interesting evening.”
The Rudder is sailing further down Shit Creek.
- It’s amazing (not!) that our ABC’s investigative and forensic political shows seem to want to avoid showing footage of Joe Hockey making a few pertinent comments to Rudd on 7’s Sunrise show the other day. We have seen snippets of that show, but not the main course.
WA is demonstrating that the ALP is the producty of long term selective breeding, and that the core of influential persons remains as it always has been, those who run by the adage “whatever it takes”. Despite Stephen Smith’s comparatively cleanskin plea that they are interested in Australia’s long term future (things like Education, doncha know?) unlike that shady Howard gang, one is left with the conviction that the ALP remains captive of the union movement, power brokers from central casting, and rank and file fruit loops.
The really scary thing is the clean sweep of state governments, and the possibility that the ALP might strike the fruit machine jackpot – a win at Federal level. Compared to that, another term for the coalition is a very benign option.
I look forward to the opposition getting one thing they seem to wish for – one day, when the time is right, Costello may replace Howard. Enjoy.
- Slightly OT:
Soundbite on ABC Radio National News this morning at 8am AEDT:
Bob Brown at Hobart’s Salamanca Markets saying that with a 3-to-4 metre sea level rise, due to global warming, the first floor of the building would be underwater.No transcript.
Perhaps Howard made the mistake of believing he was dealing with a prissy but honourable little God-botherer when all the time Labor’s new Messiah was nothing more than a slimy little grub.
Think Howard always knew that. His problem was how to reveal this to the public. Rudd could have come clean straight away and might have escaped with just a little bit of shit on him. But lying and being caught out so quickly has left him smelling like a fresh cat turd. Think some Beazley’s friends are behind this. Big Kim well liked in the west and meeting Burke shows Rudd to be a back-stabbing weasel.
Campbell’s resignation has more to do with tactics than any real sin. Howard won’t want any red herrings to distract the media when he goes for Rudd’s jugular.
- Sheil feels we are seeing the death throes of an old government?
This is the best news for Howard in months.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 03 03 at 09:00 PM • permalink
- Rudd lied, pure and simple. He is Labor after all, a party that will do anything, anytime to appease and sleaze. Look at the latest Labor ripper down in Brackistan.Posted by AlphaMikeFoxtrot on 2007 03 03 at 09:10 PM • permalink
- #32
And so you should be kae. And let’s not forget the variant sheilvoyance
I should also mention the esteemed Mentalfloss, inventor of the word atroposify/atroposification
Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 03 03 at 09:40 PM • permalink
- It is clear now who the ALP must turn to.
A chorus of esteemed personages, including political expert/ assassination target, Maxine McKew have beenpredicting this for some time now, but have been pilloried by weaker types for their uncanny ability to see into the future.
This ascension has always had a kind of inevitability about it. Believe it.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 03 03 at 09:59 PM • permalink
- I think that Howard’s been looking for an excuse to arsehole Campbell for yonks- he was a disaster and an embarassment as environment minister, a bigger hippy than Bob Brown; it’s win/win for the cunning bastard- publicly get rid of an idiot who’s been damaging the conservative vote and give the impression that naughtiness won’t be tolerated, while exposing Labor’s inability to discipline rank and file, let alone the federal party leader.
The Attack Squirrel’s just blown out to 4.1- any takers?
- BTW and slightly off-topic- looks like the nomination of Mrs Hogg hasn’t been the publicity boon anticipated by the ALP, who ignored the fact that the viewing audience outside Canberra for Friday night Lateline is made up of pissheads who can’t work out how to change channels, true-believer losers who don’t have any mates to go out on the piss with and the Gore Hill control room.
If Howard’s Esquadron de Murte’ was so useless they couldn’t pop a cap in Wee Willie Wilkie last time*, he needs to do some recruitind in El Salvador.
The “Thinking Persons Sex Symbol” now has even less credibility than Kevni Ruddski.
*Odd there was no mention of this at the time.
- #31
Shame on Bracks for ripping off Victorian taxpayers in another secret government deal.
What a disgrace.Leftist law firm Slater & Gordon should be ashamed of themselves too – only no-one there actually has a conscience (apart from a faux social conscience). No win – no fee. Win – HUGE FEE.
Posted by under the whip on 2007 03 03 at 10:16 PM • permalink
- At the meeting Plastic Turkey was served….or not. Cant remember.Posted by The Big Fish on 2007 03 03 at 10:33 PM • permalink
- Soes anyone thing any of the state or territory Gov’ts would stand up to a decent CCC investigation. Bracks rewarding ferals has to be the last straw.
At what stage are you allowed to disobey a lawful order from the police?
Should be straightforeward enough?Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 03 03 at 10:42 PM • permalink
- Ahhhh, Sheilvoyance raises its ugly head once again.
Does anyone have a link to the thread that Tim posted some time ago where Sheil was bragging about his links to Rudd and how Rudd was going to win. Something about Sheil saying he’d been in Rudds’ camp for some time.
Secondly, when those boring anorak wearers over at ‘Lavatory Rodeo’ do the next blog awards, CL’s reasoned defence in the face of stupidity and denial should get special (favourable) mention.
- It’s supposed to be “who will guard the guardians?”, not “who will pay off the protesters?” The legal rights of moonbats are clearly out of control.
The Victorian government has, according to some reports, appointed a lot of activist judges, perhaps hoping for ideological outcomes at law without going through the public rigours of the parliamentary process.
They also have the dubious honour of being the only state attacking Christians under their faulty religious vilification law.
With so many state ALP governments showing their true colours it would be madness to elect a federal one.
- I flew to Perth three times in the 80s. I remember the reason for every visit.
Names, kae, names!Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 03 03 at 11:03 PM • permalink
- Forget Campbell. People should also be aware of the context for these events. For about two weeks, Kevin Rudd led an attack on the Prime Minister claiming he had surreptitiously encouraged three business figures to create a new (and, at this stage, necessarily exploratory) nuclear energy business in Australia. The credentials of these men are impeccable and without any taint of any kind. That didn’t deter Rudd – under parliamentary privilege – from implying they and the Prime Minister had cooperated to mutually peddle and further their own interests behind the backs of the Australian people. In the context of this tawdry and shamefully LudditeRuddite campaign, it emerged that the Opposition Leader himself really had involved himself in secret conversations – only his were with a convicted criminal who is notorious for ruthless influence peddling and for corrupting good governance. Nor was it one conversation. He flew across the continent three times to meet Burke. And he has the utter gall to play the victim. Rudd is a very shifty and quite nasty piece of work.
- #48 regional
“The Government and Victoria Police have agreed to a $700,000 payment to protesters in the confidential deal.”
“The lawyers are believed to be allocating about $600,000 to cover their fees.”
That means Slater and Gordon’s fees are around 85%!
Posted by under the whip on 2007 03 03 at 11:40 PM • permalink
- Burke’s most famous deal in WA Inc was the bail out of Last Resort Laurie and the petro-chemical plant.
The Burke ALP government had granted Connell and his mates a licence to build a petro-chemical plant at Kwinana IIRC.
When the house fo catds started to collapse and Connell et al were desparately short of cash, the Burke ALP government mounted its white charger and came to the rescue. They bought back the piece of paper aka licence to operate for – wait for it – $1.3 Billion.
Burke went down eventually for fiddling the petty cash tin but where did that money go extracted from the hides of WA taxpayers.
Rudd had to know this history of Burke and yet he has knowingly and willingly associated and confided in him to advance his own political fortunes.
- #53 #55
The real story is there was a group of guys across the road playing table tennis in their garage with the roll-a-door open. They were under the car looking for a lost ping-pong ball.
Posted by under the whip on 2007 03 03 at 11:53 PM • permalink
- #54
Rudd is a very shifty and quite nasty piece of work.And it is his contempt for the electorate, for his competition within his own Party, and especially for a well-seasoned PM that will bring the arrogant lil’ SOB down.
We’ve yet to hear the dirt from his QLD State Govt days, guess they’re saving that for closer to the election.Wonder how many allies he’ll have in the wash-up?
- # 61
Yes, you’re spot on. Joolia could be the one!
Posted by under the whip on 2007 03 04 at 12:27 AM • permalink
- Just a few days ago Rudd had Howard looking baffled; now Howard has Rudd on the run.
Thankyou Lord.
Posted by DropDeadUgly on 2007 03 04 at 12:39 AM • permalink
- No. 4 – Now comes news of a $70k statue of Al Grassby, FFS, to be put up by Stanhopeless in the ACT. Can these people get any more stereotyped as old style Communists?
Why would you want to deprive the pigeons of a good place to poo? I look forward to seeing that.
Posted by DropDeadUgly on 2007 03 04 at 12:45 AM • permalink
- Burke is a nasty piece of work, a real coin-chaser.
But I’m reckoning the murderers at the AWB are far worse, and Vaille and Downer ought to shut the hell up about integrity.
Posted by Wolves Evolve on 2007 03 04 at 01:10 AM • permalink
- #53
Mad Max ran over a fork-in-the-road in her HoWARd Interceptor pursuit vehicle? (The backup crew were merely checking over the vehicle, but forgot to inform HQ).
- Ratty Rudd now officially losing it:
He now says he’ll gladly take on the PM in a contest on truth-telling because HoWARd took “our country to war on a lie”. Oops. At the time of the initial debate, Rudd insisted “there is no debate or dispute as to whether Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. He does.”
- Did ya see Laurie Oakes doing his best to make a fool of himself this morning?
After discussing the Burke affair with Julie Bishop, he then tried to imply that Noel Creighton Brown had helped her win preselection against Allan Rocher for the seat of Curtin… JB put him straight several times (in fact Allan Rocher was deselected by the Liberals at the previous election)…
After failing to land a punch, Loz eventually said: “OK, um, I suppose we should move on to your portfolio…”… JB gave him a polite smile…
Transcript here…
- CL
Well done, Bravo! That was as complete a demolition of leftardish tomfoolery as I have ever seen. CS was whimpering and whining like the latest Arab Army whipped by the Israelis by the end of it.
I concur with your take on this – Rudd just has nowhere to go, and the classic combo of bluster and bullshit just won’t work. The ALP in WA regards meetings with Burke as a kiss of death, with four scalps so far. Howard has just applied that same rule to Campbell (or he applied it to himself for the political bonanza it brings): this leaves Rudd simply twisting in the wind.
He met Burke 3 times but will not resign and cannot explain what was discussed!
Howard and Costello have struck the purest vein of political gold in many a long moon and they will use it to shatter Rudd. The next week will be explosive. There is serious blood in the water now; I expect that Howard will have been working on the approach for the big Parliamentary hitters over the weekend.
This week may decide the next election.
It is a given among mid-upper rankers at DFAT that they could all do a better job than the incumbent PM (yes, they are mostly spoon-fed delicate little hot-house flowers with overweening egos). Rudd was just one such DFAT mid-upper ranker. Let us now see how he responds to this.
I think he will break.
Fascinating
MarkL
Canberra
- Did anyone ever read BURKIE, the bio written – when? Must have been the late 80s, before WA Stink got too rancid. When the great man was bundled off to jail the West ran a photo of him leafing through a copy. I thought I’d try to track it down the the State Library service – my memory is vague here but I think the listings showed about a hundred copies in the system. I wondered if we actually had that many public libraries in the whole state.
And where are they all now? Propping up the short leg on the desk I daresay.Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 03 04 at 02:01 AM • permalink
- When Hevvie Kevvie was chief mandarin under Goss, he religiously carried a notebook around, copying down details and events so he would have a record for the inevitable ‘blame game’ when a decision bit the government in the bum. I’d be surprised if the swot womble didn’t keep up this practice. He is at least as problematic as Latham, just better controlled. With the aid and comfort of a cheering media.Posted by boxofmatches on 2007 03 04 at 02:03 AM • permalink
- Wolves Evolve… into dipsticks.Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 03 04 at 02:11 AM • permalink
- Swot Womble says:
“He’s not fair dinkum about it because what he wants simply is to have a political excuse to run a six-month negative smear campaign.”He seems to seriously think that he should be allowed to bucket the government and then blub when they return fire.
This from a man who ran a vicious and personal year long smear campaign on the government and senior advisors from the public service over AWB. Which he would not recant after Cole cleared them all. He got his profile to challenge from this relentless, serial muck throwing and the Sunrise family.
The Australian electorate is very savvy, despite being fed horseshit daily by a Rudd-swooning media. I hope they will make the judgement on Rudd, like they did with Beasley (no ticker) and Latham (mad, unfit).
And I’m looking forward to the next 6 months where hopefully Rudd will be assuming the Ned Beatty role in Deliverance.
Posted by boxofmatches on 2007 03 04 at 02:16 AM • permalink
- #63, egg_
We’ve yet to hear the dirt from his QLD State Govt days, guess they’re saving that for closer to the election.
I was wondering about that.
Dennis Shanahan wrote a piece in last week’s Australian on the Rudd/Bourke meetings, titled Bad company.
Among all the comments from the Labor faithful re Tampa, WMDs, children overboard etc, etc, etc, Howard is a liar, blah, blah, blah, there was one to which I responded as follows.
Robert asked, “Is there any eveidence [sic] that Kev’s on the take or involved in any illegal activity?”
Look here:
http://www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/goss/oneill.htm
Scroll down towards the bottom of the page to this heading which is in bold type:
“The Courier Mail decided to carry out its own investigations and established the following:- “
The following paragraphs refer to an alleged attempt by Rudd to improperly be exempted from paying stamp duty on a house he and his wife bought but never lived in. On being found out he allegedly described the dobber as a, “disgruntled c**t from the Revenue Office”. (Fine language to be coming from the lips of a good “Christian” boy!) Shortly afterwards he left his Qld public service job.
The rest of the page is about the shredding of the Heiner documents which related to very serious physical and sexual abuse of children who were state wards. As Chief of Staff to Wayne Goss and later Director-General of the Cabinet Office in Queensland (until 1995) Rudd must have been up to his ears in involvement with that scandal of multiplied illegalities.
The culture of politically motivated secrecy, intimidation, cover-ups and jobs for the mates within the Qld public service that the Heiner episode reveals and that the Jayant Patel episode reveals was one that Rudd must have had some part in creating or continuing.
Do we really want a man with that sort of track record as our Prime Minister?
It got moderated into oblivion and given the rules (Feedback will be rejected if it does not add to a debate, is offensive, repetitious, or contains clear errors of fact) I can’t really see why.
- #68 murderers at the AWB …
Wolves like you should evolve into something useful. A slur of that sort is indicative of a mean and nasty wolf indeed. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the cash flow trail, there is no way that the money flowing to Saddam via AWB surcharges can be said to be for guns or bullets rather than palaces. That beat up also completely ignores the 300 million per week he made by trucking oil out through Kurdish controlled territory.
I think you have revealed yourself as a troll more than once.
- “Whatever the rights and wrongs?” Are we so far down the moral equivalence drain that we are disputing that AWB made money from murder? Alright, okay, I guess we do need to split the hairs. They gave extraordinary amounts of money to a murderer to line their own pockets in turn. Whatever the rights and wrongs of that are.
If you want the moral high ground on political lying, claim it, its yours. But you’ll need to begin by clearing the decks of AWB and a couple of damp kids on the way through.
Posted by Wolves Evolve on 2007 03 04 at 07:06 AM • permalink
- #73 inform yourself about the westminster system – the electorate elects their local member to Parliament, the elecorate does not, and has no power to, appoint their local member to executive office (i.e. the ministry), that is a function of the GG on the advice of the chief executive (the prime minister). Campbell is toast because he does not have the confidence of the prime minister – nor should he, ‘cause he’s a pratt.
- #86
In need of a reality check.
Do you think that we were the only ones paying bribes, hint: look at our chief detractors/competition.
Do you seriously think that the former DFAT mandarin wouldn’t be aware of this?
… as he should also be aware that in delivering (free aid based) upgrades to essential services, etc. to our developing neighbours we’ve often been forced to bribe corrupt officials, etc. to get stuff off the ships to help them …
- One of the more interesting things to come out of the whole Burke fracas is the shape and direction of the WA Labor party.
A factionally unaligned Premier, yet beholden to the Labor Right (Burke’s faction), can’t boot out an openly defiant MP & Burke confidant (Shelly Archer) who also happens to be the wife/partner of local CFMEU strongman Kevin Reynolds (also Labor Right).
Poor old Alan Carpenter can’t take a trick – he has had to re-propote a dud like Llianna Ravlich (sp? don’t care) who he demoted for being a dud. She’s the one who’s shacked up with the Deputy Premier Eric Ripper.
Meanwhile, two of the next-strongest MPs are Alannah MacTiernan who is now forming a ‘new’ ‘unaligned’ faction and ‘Whinging’ Jim McGinty – ex useless-Opposition leader and current Lionel Murphy impersonator who heads up the Left wing of the party, which is now pretty much dominant in the state party thanks to the Burke/Grill shenanigans.
I can’t help feeling that one or more of these bods have been using the situation to chum the water for bigger prey.
- #86 – No doubt you are on the record as advocating the removal of Mugabe, just as you would have (no doubt) lobbied for the removal of that other “murderer”. No? I guessed as much.
Those who now bitch about Saddam’s payola didn’t actually want the sanctions to remain. They killed too many kids, doncha know?
Give us your opinion on which leaders/regimes need removing – to avoid murders.
- Quite right and well said! I’m all for western intervention. Taliban, Saddam, Mugabe, we should have stopped Pinochet – if it wasn’t for Thatcher’s love perhaps we would have. Vis-a-vis Iraq, I was always pro-Iraq-war but against a dumbly led war. Yes yes, Yugoslavia too, coulda shoulda woulda.Posted by Wolves Evolve on 2007 03 04 at 09:04 PM • permalink
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