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Chief Minister Clare Martin said she is looking forward to a partnership with the new Rudd Labor Government.
Northern Territory Chief Minister Clare Martin and her Deputy Syd Stirling have resigned.
UPDATE. Nationals leader Mark Vaile is now stepping down.
Im actually hopeful this is because rudd said no to stopping the interventions in the NT and will continue Broughs good work.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 11 25 at 08:55 PM • permalink
- OT The Australians for Palestine (more like Palestinians in Oz for Palestine)
tried to damage the election of local Mr Dreyfus in the seat of Isaacs by pointing out his AIJAC background. How this would affect his local effectiveness was not made clear, but they seemed to think that Palestinian issues should dominate in a local Aust. election. they did at Christopher Pyne’s electorate too.
What a pointless, malevolent bunch.Oh, Dreyfus was elected 🙂Posted by carpefraise on 2007 11 25 at 09:05 PM • permalink
I mean, they did this at Christopher Pyne’s electorate too.
Posted by carpefraise on 2007 11 25 at 09:06 PM • permalink
- How many Labor leaders is that now?
Carr, Beattie, Bracks…
The MSM let them go quietly.Posted by stackja1945 on 2007 11 25 at 09:12 PM • permalink
On a thread yesterdy some joker predicted that the all ordinaries would be down today because of the new Rudd Labor Government.
Agile.
Have a look at what the All Ordinaries Index finishes at tomorrow compared to Friday and have a bit of think about the reasons as to why it may have gone down.
Also, a good friend of mine with a Business Broking company has already had a withdrawal of an offer to purchase this morning with a simple reason given “changed to a Labor government, I’m not proceeding”.
Look at history. Labor always screw up the economy and the Liberals always fix it. This time will be no different.Posted by Hank Reardon on 2007 11 25 at 12:56 AM • permalink
Too funny…
- Agile – Hank was probably getting a little a head of himself but over here in West Oz Building companies have been holding back on tenders till post election.
It all comes down to whether Rudd was true to his word and has the strength to resist the more extreme in his party. Only time will tell on that score but history would tell us don’t be too surprised if Hank is proven right.Posted by the nailgun on 2007 11 25 at 09:28 PM • permalink
#11 – The markets been open 2 and a half hours. Even the Labor Party couldn’t roger the economy this quickly. Please report back in 3 years.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 11 25 at 09:29 PM • permalink
Minister for Social Inclusion, Julia Gillard, backs John Howard for President campaign:
“This is a man who devoted his entire life to public service, you’ve got to admire that, and I do,” Ms Gillard said.
“He’s led the nation through some difficult periods.
“I did admire the Prime Minister when under very difficult circumstances he achieved better gun laws in this country – it was obviously divisive amongst his own support base, and he stood up and did it.
“There have been times when this nation’s obviously faced great tragedy, like Bali, and John Howard’s led the nation in mourning, so once again I would acknowledge that.
“I think John Howard will be remembered … with respect and, I suspect, some affection as well.”
Since global warming is never really too far O/T, you might be interested to know that natural disasters are way up due to you know what.
Snippets:
THE Australian dollar was stronger at lunchtime today, in a day of “erratic” trading.
“There’s no fundamental data out of Australia, nothing out of the US tonight so they will try and take their cues out of the equity market,’’ Mr Pontikis said.
“But even that is a bit of a mixed picture.”
Mr Pontikis said it was a very mixed carry trade performance this morning.
And what is above, is what you refer to, as “Too funny…”?
I’m sure your Aussie mates are tickled shitless, you are over there and not, over here.
“Too funny”…
Clare couldn’t handle Kevni’s demands?
When does the Krudd get sworn in. I want to know when I can officially start bitching about the mongrel bloody government in Australia. I want to know when petrol will be cheaper. I want to know when my grocery bill will go down… and don’t start me on those bloody interest rates.
Whinging from the sidelines might turn out to be fun!
Just took the Tardis for a quick spin to 2017, the new citizenship test should give some clues about the future:
Kruddy Republic of Australia
Citizenship Test
Applicants must answer all questions correctly to pass
1- Name the first President of K Rep. Australia?
a) Mark Latham
b) Bob Hawke
c) Paul Keating
d) Margo Kingston2- What do K. Rep. Australians mark every January 26th?
a) Christmas
b) Invasion Day
c) The Sherrin
d) Ramadan3- Who lies in the Mausoleum of the Holy Martyr of November 11 ?
a) Philip Adams
b) Brian Burke
c) Gough Whitlam
d) Tirath Khemlani4- Name K.Rep. Australia’s most beloved floral emblem?
a) Patterson’s Curse
b) The Tree of Knowledge
c) Bob Brown
d) The annual Yule tree from Comrade Chavez5- What is the national drink of K.Rep Australia?
a) Vegemite
b) Grange Hermitage
c) Latte
d) Fluffy Ducks6- How many relatives can you give us for a branch stacking?
a) 1 to 3
b) 4 to 6
c) 7 to 9
d) 10+7- Name K. Rep Australia’s Greatest work of Art?
a) Rolf Harris’s Wobble Board
b) Gough Whitlam’s Blue Poles
c) Manning Clark’s History of Australia
d) Julia Gillard’s boyfriend8- Who was John Winston HoWARd?
a) The Butcher of Baghdad
b) The last tyrant of the capitalist monarchy
c) A pantomime villain in Keating the Musical
d) All of the above9- What is the worst part of daily life in K Rep Australia?
a) Negative equity
b) Poet Laureate Peter Garrett
c) Jizya
d) All of the above10-Ahem, the currency?
a) Credit Card
b) Cheque
c) I gave Paul in Paris a fine Louis XIV clock in lieu
d) Oh look,Swannee, did you drop that brown paper bag?Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 11 25 at 11:30 PM • permalink
#35 – Why wait until then, Gibbo? I’m blaming the bastard for everything and then turning it up a notch once he collects the keys. If he wants to lead a government that claims it can fix everything from the weather to teeth, the you get the blame for everything too. Them’s the rules.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 11 25 at 11:32 PM • permalink
Martin blames Howard for her resignation.
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 11 26 at 12:11 AM • permalink
#39- Fuck me, the evil old bastard’s been given the bums rush and he’s still up to all sorts of shenannigans- is there no end to his malice?
Here’s silly me thinking she was a brainless former ABC hack whose abilities were limited to reading off an autocue and only mispronouncing one word in three, but in fact she’s been a victim of that bully JW HoWARd!
Perhaps poor feeble girlies like Claire need protection from those nasty boys- perhaps this could solve this vexing problem. Any bets on whether the Hoggette will see out a full term once those cruel opposition types start pulling her pigtails, pinchinf her lunch money and show her the goldfish?
Where is the meeja scrutiny over the seemingly endless leadership turnover in state ALP governments? The federal coalition leadership was subject to more scrutiny and speculation than Pamela Andersons funbags, yet the ongoing instability across the country among state caucus doesn’t rate a mention.
After the Oz came out for Kevni on Saturday I think it’s time to abandon the Australian “news” meeja, like the ABC and Islam they’re atavistic ideologues beyond redemption.
#41 – Couldn’t believe The Oz backed The Rudd. Obviously Kev’s meeting with Rupe was a doozy. Maybe they both went to Scores afterwards?
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 11 26 at 12:36 AM • permalink
Not quite OT—all those people promising to flee the country after each Howard election win? Evidently some of them did, and now they’re treatening to come back!!!
See here.
John Howard: war mongerer and climate change cynic, presided over an industrial relations policy which crushed the rights of the ‘battlers’ he claimed to be championing. The Liberals ripped the heart out of Australia. Long live Labour. I may just get on that plane and go home.
Floo K, London,
Thank God the Australian people have voted Howard out, I am once again fully happy to say Australia is my home country.A great new beginning! And next for Bush….. our planet will be in good hands once again (or at least not barbaric hands).
Mark Dervin, Hurleyville, USA / NYThanks be to the Australian people!
We expats can now hold our heads high again.
No more licking the boots of Bush!
Well done Kevin and co.
Michael Piggott, Hebden Bridge, Yorkshire, U.K.about bloody time, now ,hopefully the labour party can clean up all the mess left behind by the american loving libreals,and get the people of Australia back in front . I fled the country to escape the howard workers right, ( or lack of them ) policy, now with labour finally back in power Australia soon might be a place i can bring my familly back to live and embrace again..
craig gaul, chambly quebec, canada
here.here.here.Posted by s.r.intulom on 2007 11 26 at 01:00 AM • permalink
- Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 11 26 at 01:10 AM • permalink
Just testing the comment section, folks.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 11 26 at 01:11 AM • permalink
- 50. Ooops, I thought that was the coded signal for HoWARds jackbooted thugs to rise up and liquidate the lefties…
Um, if anyone says anything about chemical contrails and black hellicopters I dont know nuffink!!Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 11 26 at 01:16 AM • permalink
#37, eenie, just to continue your meme:
Marking Scheme for new citizenship test
1- What is your definition of a family?
a) Two men and their Schnauzers, Rupert and Chloe
b) Monniqque and her squatter friends
c) The party of Dearest Leader
d) all of the above(answer: D)
2- Pick the odd one out
a) Maralyn Shepherd
b) Margo Kingston
c) Maxine (the slayer) Mc Kew
d) Eva Cox(Answer C, only Maxine works for a living. Bonus points if the applicant said, ‘all of them’)
3- The Economy is going well, who is responsible?
a) Dearest Leader
b) The Labor leader before dearest Leader
c) Saint Gough Whitlam
d) Karl Marx(Answer, well, obviously A)
3- The Economy is doing ‘less well’, who is responsible?
a) J. W. Howard
b) Peter Costello
c) Tampa
d) A and B(Answer, A and B)
4- Which of the following activities have not recently been banned?
a) The AFL Grand Final
b) The Melbourne Cup
c) Anzac day
d) Lesbi Week(Answer, D)
5- Plans are drawn up to build a Mosque next door to your home. Do you?
a) Give thanks to Allah
b) Give thanks to Dearest Leader
c) Give the Christians/Jews/Buddhists down the road a good flogging
d) Give money to aid the construction of such a worthy domicile(Answer, all are acceptable responses)
6- The best way to aid our indigenous brothers and sisters is to:
a) Encourage self-help
b) Chat over a soy-chino-latte
c) Increase Government Spending
d) Apologize profusely(Answer, a trick question to weed out those who have memorised marking schemes. B, C and D are acceptable responses)
Can’t someone please educate the clown commenting in this thread here, that Alan Ramsey is not a “respected long time conservative commentator” and certainly not “The Australian equivalent of William F Buckley Jnr”. (!).
What is about leftists claiming to be “true conservatives”? I don’t get the appeal. I don’t go round calling myself a “true believer”….
Posted by Quentin George on 2007 11 26 at 01:39 AM • permalink
55. Spam & porn dont click the link.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 11 26 at 01:47 AM • permalink
now ,hopefully the labour party can clean up all the mess left behind by the american loving libreals
Yes, let’s clean up this scourge of low unemployment and get the rate back into double figures.
Let’s stop this cosy relationship with the American President and go back to kowtowing to unelected kleptomaniac Asian despots.
And why should former Indonesian foreign minister, Ali Alitas, be the only low life scumbag killer to posses the Order of Australia? What about Barney Banana, Julian Moti or Hu Jintao.
Can’t wait till the standing ovation Kev gets next month in Bali after the government of Australia has ratified the Kyoto Protocol.
I’m sure Tim’s muppets will do their usual bleating routine, but must now realise just how irrelevant they are to the great majority of their fellow citizens. That feeling you’ve got in the pit of your stomachs is known as relevance deprivation.
- Oh and in case your wondering about the risque link earlier.
Well it serves two purposes.
1. I’ve noticed that when Andrea and Tim feel they’re losing control of the subject matter posted on the blog they shut down new registrations; and
2. some of Tim’s muppets are sure to click on the links whilst at work hence causing them grief when they have to explain what they’ve been viewing to their boss.Adieu
- I have a sneaking suspicion that the fake egg__ is none other than our Miranda trying not to get its IP address blocked.
Hows Rudd getting there by tea clipper? walking, zepplin?The countries currently doing the most selling of carbon credits happen co-incidentally im sure, be the same ones classed as developing nations. China-India-South American states.
The whole carbon credis scam is a tax, the UN is pushing it as hard as it can because, sooner or later, it will present itself as the “honest broker” and finaly secure a nice fat chunk of global tax.Within the next ten years, mark my words.
Andrea see if this one crunches…Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 11 26 at 02:03 AM • permalink
Yeah, that sounds like a Miranda-hijacked egg….
Posted by Quentin George on 2007 11 26 at 02:05 AM • permalink
Yeah, the latter one has three underscores, the original egg has two.
Nice try, troll…
Posted by Quentin George on 2007 11 26 at 02:06 AM • permalink
#60- Since when does just over 50% of the primary house of reps vote and about 40% of the upper house vote constitute a “great majority” , you knob-gobbling sub-troll? Kevni slithered in by hornswoggling bogans in western Sydney and FNQ that Workchoices would sneak up during the night and pinch the hubcaps off their new Commodores- wait until the real-life repo men come and swipe the whole car.
I reckon Kev will be our very own Carter, a one-term-wonder, especially if the moonpies in the backroom break loose and pinch the corporate VISA card and the coalition for once don’t act like the ALP after a loss and go on a combined headless chicken rampage and cannibalism spree.
1. I’ve noticed that when Andrea and Tim feel they’re losing control of the subject matter posted on the blog they shut down new registrations;
Incorret, “egg 3 x _”, but feel free to indulge in childish stunts to celebrate Rudd’s election. Somehow it’s just….fitting.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 11 26 at 02:13 AM • permalink
Another labor leader slinks off-just a matter of days after the whining Wendy ‘you say you’re going to retire’ scare ads are finally gone from our lives.
Is Clare going back to Playschool?
“Hey kids, can you spell ‘HYPERCRITE’?”
#28 thanks egg, but the credit’s all yours.
Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 11 26 at 02:22 AM • permalink
We all faithfully serve the Dark Lord for so long, doing all his bidding, shining his shoes, refreshing his drink, killing his enemies, taking his dogs for walks (and we all know how dangerous that task is!), and how does he repay us?
With the weakest damn trolls ever sighted.
Does anyone else feel ripped off?
PIMF It seems I can’t spell it either.
Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 11 26 at 02:25 AM • permalink
And if you’re going to link to porn, make it something we like – guns, V8’s, jihadis getting water boarded, stranded polar bears. Preferably all combined.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 11 26 at 02:32 AM • permalink
Fake egg__ has been banned. He’s the same person as “gaazzzaaa” and that other guy whose name I’ve already forgotten. He’s also been sending Tim obsessive emails. Quite a pitiful case.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 11 26 at 02:34 AM • permalink
His real name, by the way, is apparently “Gary Logan. He sent me this email:
How much does that subject line suck for people like you.
By the way thanks for acting to turn off new registrations on Blair’s
blog. Mission accomplished.Here is my reply:
I’m American, so I don’t really care who you people pick to run your country.
By the way, you need to get a life. Oh, and FYI, registration is mostly kept turned off—it was only opened as a favor to people who might want to actually make a contribution to the blog instead of indulging in childish diatribes and porn link postings (so original of you by the way—no one’s ever done that before! What are you, fifteen?)
Good-bye, and good luck getting those three hundred pounds off so you can make it out of your mother’s basement someday.
A sad case. He’s probably responsible for most of the recent sign-ups.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 11 26 at 02:42 AM • permalink
Whoops—left off a quote mark. Also, the “subject line” he thinks is so horrifying to “people like me” is “Kevin Rudd, Prime Minister of Australia.” I dunno, as long as Mr. Rudd refrains from any more earwax-eating I think we’ll all survive.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 11 26 at 02:44 AM • permalink
Explains the fetish for Al Gore. No real Australian would be in love with that caricature.
Posted by Quentin George on 2007 11 26 at 02:47 AM • permalink
“Peter Garrett, Prime Minister of Australia”
Now that fucking scares me!
Posted by Quentin George on 2007 11 26 at 02:48 AM • permalink
- #75 Andrea
Of course if Gary Logan has made any direct threats at all to TB or yourself, there are provisions in the Commonwealth Crimes Act to deal with such behaviour. Actual periods of imprisonment are not uncommon.I am unwise in these matters, but isn’t identification of people via the IP address a simple matter ? Would be interesting to know what sort of contraband he has on his computer ? Everything is recoverable Gary, unless you burn your computer to a molten lump. Kero will get it going fine, but you probably have a fair bit of pink nail polish lying about.
A new email from poor, obsessed Garry Logan:
Poor Andrea,
of course you care who we elect as our prime minister otherwise you
wouldn’t be so interested in Australia politics. But whatever.By the way I know you think you’re rather clever banning IP addresses
but shit for brains you really need to learn about proxies. For
instance have a look at the thousands of web based ones at
http://stayinvisible.com/web_proxy_list.html for starters.By the way as to the originality of posting porn links, just who do
you think started doing it in the first place. FYI registration never
used to be turned off by default until the porn links and nearly
identical user IDs started being used. As I said earlier mission
accomplished.Now off you go back to your sad middle aged spinster life. Don’t worry
someday you might actually come across some bloke so pissed he
actually wants to sleep with you, mind you when he sobers up and runs
away screaming that may not help your fragile state of mind, so your
probably best maintaining the status quo and avoiding dating.Adieu
Can’t you just hear a hysterical voice getting shriller and shriller towards the end? I suggested he get some medication.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 11 26 at 03:29 AM • permalink
- It obviously could be any Gary Logan but… there is one who fits “the profile”.
Mr Gary Logan (Student Services, USQ)As I said, it could be anyone, but a Student Services officer in a Uni would be a shoe in. He’s even got a really goofy head with buck teeth.Any chance of narrowing down a location via the IP? South QLD possibly?
By the way, you can see at my own blog how interested I am in Australian politics. Sorry, guys, but it’s true—I’m not all that interested in who you pick to run your country. I’m not even interested in my own country’s politics all that much, except to say that I’m pretty sure that the administration of Hillary Clinton will be remarkable only for its teeth-gritting dreariness. Then again, I can start using “She-Wolf of Washington,” so it’s not all bad.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 11 26 at 03:32 AM • permalink
Here’s the IP (he registered four times using his “garry.logan” name in some fashion, by the way): 220.233.195.161. It resolves to Sydney, so yes, he’s in New South Wales.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 11 26 at 03:35 AM • permalink
It’s two r’s in “Garry,” by the way.
Okay, no more uses of “by the way.” That’s just too much.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 11 26 at 03:36 AM • permalink
I mean, he’s in New South Wales, not Queensland.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 11 26 at 03:37 AM • permalink
Argh, I’ve got to go to bed, folks. It’s way past midnight here.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 11 26 at 03:38 AM • permalink
His
theme song.The story of his life so far
A family portrait.
I wonder if this is him?? “International Support Student Services-USQ. West St Toowoomba Q 4350. Contact:. Student Services Administration:. Garry Logan.”
Cant be arsed downloading the PDF attached to the google search though.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 11 26 at 03:43 AM • permalink
101. Not only does gibbo beat me to it, he corrects me before I even know im wrong…I am the lowest of the low….
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 11 26 at 03:45 AM • permalink
Thank you, Garry. After Saturday’s election result I was going to top myself or move to New Zealand, but your tasteful porn links have given me reason to live.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 11 26 at 03:47 AM • permalink
102 mole; Here he is going green.
Posted by dean martin on 2007 11 26 at 03:55 AM • permalink
- Posted by dean martin on 2007 11 26 at 03:58 AM • permalink
Why did Martin quit? (I am going to preface every comment from now on with a question in homage to the new regime).
She was distraught that her policies failed utterly, and those of JWH were so compelling that the Labor party has decided to adopt them.
Talk about being kicked in the nuts by your own side.
Posted by mr creosote on 2007 11 26 at 04:02 AM • permalink
- hahaha… our little ol’ department were pissing their pants laughing about this one today (irrelevant of their political leanings).
I can image it had something to do with Claire publicly asking Kevin to dig her and her idiot crew out of their shit (generally speaking, not just the intervention) and Kevin decided to respond by eliminating an obvious liability. Supporting that incompetent band of goons would have left him exposed in parliament question time. And this is for an issue that DOES NOT register much on the general political radar, imagine how the state health ministers must be feeling right now.
Has Howard done some secret backroom deal with Rudd to nose dive the election and in return eliminate the State buffoons one by one? (The ultimate in sacrifice for the cause) Or is this Kevin’s way of bringing around a few more liberal voters AND sending a loud message to the state governments who thought they were on easy street for the next three years?
Perhaps Claire should consider herself lucky, imagine her fate under a totalitarian regime in the Middle East or Maoist China!
On a related I was discussing with the wife today about how long it would take before Kevin starts eliminating the more nutty activist elements among the Kevin07 sycophants.Posted by CanberraNeoCon on 2007 11 26 at 04:36 AM • permalink
They said when the Coalition lost the knives would be out….
Posted by Quentin George on 2007 11 26 at 04:53 AM • permalink
Did anyone else see this call for Downer’s execution on The Australian‘s First Byte section today?
bernie Mon 26 Nov 07 (07:57am)
Alexander Downer states (in another paper) that the public would not expect him to admit a year ago that the government had no chance of winning, “that would be suicide”.
A minister who knowingly spends $250 million discrediting “our” alternative government to prolong a nonviable political enterprise should face capital punishment.The very dark side of winning…
….but I assumed they weren’t talking about the ALP….
Posted by Quentin George on 2007 11 26 at 04:55 AM • permalink
Who knows? Uni’s over for the year. Maybe he’s moved south.
Or maybe he’s just a very nastily weird person who’s got nothing better to do with his life than proxy himself all over the place and thinks he’s achieved something when he gets unsuspecting people to click on a link that takes them somewhere they’d rather not go.
Keating’s interview is posted at The World Today – mostly talking about his favourite topic – himself – and still full of bile for Howard …
This is alarming. Bracks, Thwaites, Beattie, Martin, Stirling have all leapt overboard when faced with the prospect of Rudd as PM.
Labor promises socialists wall-to-wall would be the start of a golden era in Australian politics. Five Labor leaders don’t think so because if they did, they would have hung around to share in the glory.
Rudd telling all his MPs they have to visit two schools by Thursday hasn’t helped ease feelings that things are NQR – not quite right. This is government at the shallow end, which isn’t surprising because Rudd himself is the shallowest person ever to head any government in Australia.
- Rudd has told his MPs to visit two schools by Thursday? WTF is that about?
Oh, right. They’ll have pics of Dark Helmet Dear Leader for every classroom.Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 11 26 at 05:56 AM • permalink
#120- I realise simple arithmetic is beyond the ken of most commies, let alone poll trends so I’ll try to keep it simple so even someone stupid enough to think Kevin Rudd is anyrhing for than an egotistic, anal-retentive boderline personality with delusions of intelligence and ability:- there was a national swing of around 6& to the ALP, in some seats (especially “blue collar” enclaves) up to 10% in the eastern states. WA showed gains, totally against the national trend and overwhelmingly endorsed AWAs, that stae being where most have been issued- the areas which voted against them don’t have a high number of such arrangements- plenty of do as I say, doncha think?
A sentiment that sits perfectly with the incoming politburo.
BTW- ASX, mining and transport all down, banks and beer companies up- what does that tell you, genius boy?
So trollboy posts porn. I click it- hypothetically, I’m looking for porn, or i wouldn’t follow a link from an unknown poster…. or Habib- and the boss sees it. The boss does a double-take, and I say “some snotpuddle posted a porn link to shock the Blairites”. He says “The useless git. Email him a link to goatse, tubgirl, and that tentacle thing.”
What universe do these guys live in? Are we meant to be shocked? Are we meant to get fired? Are we meant to be upset that this sites membership remains a comfortably exclusive club? Does he know anything about basic social psychology?
Here’s another thing. If Tim Blair has no influence- and let’s face it, he’s never claimed to have, attempted to gain, or in any way acted like he thought he could peddle influence- then why would getting membership closed be a “mission”? Why would he feel satisfaction at having accomplished it?
Finally, is he really trying to convince us he’s an elite hacker of some sort? Why doesn’t he just < self censored. This guy clearly has no idea and I don’t want to give him one > ? Oooooooh he knows about PROXIES! Betcha he doesn’t know if he’s on a dynamic or static IP though.
Posted on another thread by paco –
Say, Wronwright, what happened to those Ohio voting machines?
Um, we unfortunately had some er, technical problems with the Diebold machines.
(wronwright yells at MarkL and his minions for sending the voting machines to Innsbruck and Vienna)
Posted by wronwright on 2007 11 26 at 06:07 AM • permalink
#57:- I think this might set them right:-
We don’t have a conservative party per se in Australia, the Liberal/National coalition being the closest thing- a mild centrist/welfarist urban party linked with an agrarian socialist/social conservative pack of yokels.
No economic rationalist policy to be seen anywhere, with the commonwealth expanding exponentially under the Liberal party over the last 11 years, and tax revenues expanding to match, along with lots of social micromanagement and sleazy slings to percieved buyable voters in marginal seats.
THE ALP is much the same but with a left wing as loopy as anything to be found on the Democratic Underground, and a nasty thuggish influence from the trade union movement, who pretty much bankrolled the campaign and who’ll want to collect a dividend now.
Current ALP leader claims to be a Christian middle-of-the-road type, but previous form while chief of staff to a state labor government showed him to be a nasty piece of work, very keen on power and control but not much else- also has the air of someone who was constantly picked on at school (and deservedly so), and now’s time to get even.
His deputy is a former ambulance-chaser from the most venal personal injury pettifoggers in Australia with views that make Hugo Chavez seem like Dick Cheney, and a voice like an industrial blender full of cats being mic’s through Iron Maiden’s PA system.
An interesting three years coming up.
Pretty well covers the territory I think.
- It was the ‘obsessive’ emails to Tim that disturbed me.
Maybe 1.618 has an evil twin.
Separated at birth?Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 11 26 at 06:08 AM • permalink
My guess is that she thought it would be easy running a piddling little (population wise) place like the NT; a bit like reading the news, or whatever it was she did when she worked for the ABC. Now she sees that struggles are involved. She has to deal with real people face to face who, for whatever shabby or real reason don’t like the way things are turning out for them, and has decided that it’s all too hard.
I think she just can’t be bothered. Frankly, I have a lot of sympathy with that position whether or not it’s truly her position.
But Nic @ # 118, I simply don’t believe that True Laborites have any interest whatsoever in what happens to Aboriginal people or, especially, Aboriginal children, except insofar as their suffering can be used to make the True Laborite look in some way like a feeling, caring, high-moral-ground-capturing person.
There’s money involved for ‘traditional owners’ and those folk, like all human folk, like to keep the lucre to themselves. Down south most people tend to think of all Aboriginal people as ‘traditional owners’. They’re not. Which is why certain high profile Aboriginal people live in relative luxury up here while their near relatives (not being classifiable as a ‘traditional owner’) live in abject poverty and, perhaps, feeling helpless and hopeless, find some sort of release for their misery in bashing women and diddling little children.
Clare, I think, just doesn’t have what it takes to fight that fight. And that’s not necessarily a criticism. In the same position I’d probably take the same way out – and then look for some other job.
#123- What’s wrong with my links then?
You’re not this Wreckage are you?
Possibly the most cynical thing I have read all year..
But Nic @ # 118, I simply don’t believe that True Laborites have any interest whatsoever in what happens to Aboriginal people or, especially, Aboriginal children, except insofar as their suffering can be used to make the True Laborite look in some way like a feeling, caring, high-moral-ground-capturing person.
There’s money involved for ‘traditional owners’ and those folk, like all human folk, like to keep the lucre to themselves. Down south most people tend to think of all Aboriginal people as ‘traditional owners’. They’re not. Which is why certain high profile Aboriginal people live in relative luxury up here while their near relatives (not being classifiable as a ‘traditional owner’) live in abject poverty and, perhaps, feeling helpless and hopeless, find some sort of release for their misery in bashing women and diddling little children.
You people can actually care despite having different views than your own.
It seems like you advocate a goodies (Liberal) vs the baddies (Labor) position. It all pretty limited really.
How did the people from WA give Rudd the “two-fingered salute”?
Like this: It’s big and it’s blue!
#131- While the same thinking has seeped a little into the conservative side of politics, it’s been the left that has used a welfare-dependance program to keep a substantial population compliant, all the while thinknig themselves morally superior because they’re “helping”. While I’m not sure most of them are smart and cunning enough to do it for cynical and opportunistic reasons, they do it all the same rather than encouraging people to get off their arse and look to their own affairs.
I expect to see a lot more of this patronising bollocks over the next couple of years, with the resultant cultural atrophy and slow genocide of the recipients of this “assistance”.
I like to read #135 like it was Sir Ian McKellen as Gandalf. Try it, it’s awesome. Like, right before he falls into that huge abyss, and stuff, and he totally kicks that Balrog’s arse, and he’s all like falling after the sword but the Hobbits don’t know and they’re all “Gandaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalf” and Frodo cries. As usual.
My eight-year-old Goddaughter was listening to me and her mother discuss the election.
Her unsolicited (but very accurate) analysis is right here.
— Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 11 26 at 07:11 AM • permalink
I’m not sure. I wonder if it is a peer pressure thing. Possibly, there are some within Labor who would realise that past solutions have failed so that this is worth a try (they’d never dare suggest it themselves). Look at the bile spewed at LP about Brough. Plenty of people who ‘care’ but in a very self-centred way.
Clare knew enough to get out while the getting was good. Another, like Peter Costello, who is all tip and no iceberg (you have to admit there are some things that Paul Keating is very good at).
But Marion Scrymgour as the new NT Deputy Chief Minister? Please, no! The woman who called the desperately needed intervention in remote communities “John Howard’s ‘rabbit out of a hat’” and “The black kids’ Tampa”?
The woman whose attitude will condemn another couple of generations to misery, wretchedness, violence and paedophelia?
When events are so wrong, so foreseeably disastrous, there has to be something one can do. But what? What?
Lefties do a lot of talk about caring, but it’s the conservatives who take the practical measures to provide that care (run charities, provide practical aid, provide the means for self-help/determination)
— Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 11 26 at 07:17 AM • permalink
Thanks Skeeter,
She and her sister (aged 6) are incredibly bright. They quite happily watched the election coverage with their parents but decided to go to bed after Howard’s speech.
Funny story though – back in October 2001 when watching ABC-TV, Charlotte let out an almightly scream and her mother thought that the ABC was re-running footage of 9/11 (which she diligently spared her daughter from seeing).
Nope, it was Question Time in Parliament running over time. Charlotte pointed to Simon Crean and said, ‘That man is scary’.
With these girls, I feel confident the future is in safe hands.
— Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 11 26 at 07:31 AM • permalink
#147. “…but it’s the conservatives who take the practical measures to provide that care (run charities, provide practical aid, provide the means for self-help/determination)”.
Oh really..?
“The Federal Treasurer’s brother, Tim Costello, has urged the Coalition to match Labor’s pledge to increase Australia’s international aid spending to 0.5 per cent of the gross national income.
Mr Costello heads World Vision and says the move would bring Australia’s contribution into line with many European countries.”
And more conservative charity, this time in the United States where the Bush regime is pulling out the stops to help the 2 million Iraqi refugees his war has created…
“Since the war began in 2003, fewer than 800 Iraqi refugees have been admitted, angering critics who argued the United States is obligated to assist many more, particularly those whose work for American agencies or contractors placed them in danger.”
Oh, and please continue the post-election floundering, its almost as amusing as watching the rats leaving the sinking Coalition ship.
Absolutely right Lotocoti.
— Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 11 26 at 07:38 AM • permalink
#152 OOOh yummy, a new troll, my favourite…
Maybe you missed this paragraph R Gehlen:
provide practical aid, provide the means for self-help/determination.I mean the type of stuff that really works – microfinancing projects, fostering liberal democracy, encouraging capitalism and free enterprise – not spending our hard earned GDP in proping up corrupt tin-pot dictators in third world countries by bullet proof Mercedes while people starve.
I respect Tim Costello but providing aid in other than emergent disasters (IE the tsunami, earthquakes) is a waste if the money doesn’t go into projects that help the local population fend for themselves.
The situation with regional Aboriginals is a classic example of where a hand-out mentality breaks the spirit.
— Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 11 26 at 07:48 AM • permalink
#152- Here’s a clue you pillock, conservative governments tends to create the situation where voluntary contributions to charities increase greatly, with an expanded middle class with increased disposable incomes.
You and your kind like to be in charge of removing largesse by legislative fiat, and deciding who benefits from same, giving you and your kind a warm inner glow from your generosity with other peopeles money while you fund whatever cause suits your agenda, not necessarily the most worthy or needy.
By choice I wouldn’t give you the steam off my shit.
— Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 11 26 at 07:51 AM • permalink
#120 – Agile, your moniker obviously isn’t descriptive of your mental faculties.
The Libs’ primary vote in WA was 9% greater than Labor’s. On a two party preferred basis, the score was 53% to 47%. The result was the Coalition in WA has won 10 seats to Labor’s 4 , with Labor’s seat of Swan still in the balance, with every chance of it falling to Liberal Steve Irons.
That’s what I was referring to when I said WA delivered KRudd a two-fingered salute, sport.
Do you think it would work in Iran and Syria too?
Yes.
In fact Iran was a free and prosperous country before the Shah was kicked out.
— Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 11 26 at 07:54 AM • permalink
My trolly playmates have gone missing.
I wanted to hug them and squeeze them and call them George (W Bush).
— Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 11 26 at 07:59 AM • permalink
#157- Couldn’t be worse than the murderous theocracy and Ba’athist totalitarian regimes that infest them at the moment, persecuting their own people and providing aid and comfort to Islamoblammo mobile mines.
You’re so doltish I’m surprised Kevni &Co were batty enough for you- surely there was at least a senatorial tick or two for the Greens?
Nighty-night trolls (and sweet dreams to the Blair commentariat)
Nicky and I are off to bed.
— Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 11 26 at 08:01 AM • permalink
I wonder how many times Clueless Kev squealed, “Omigod! We can’t do that! Who are you people?!” at his first cabinet meeting>
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 11 26 at 08:13 AM • permalink
#152 That’s usually the answer isn’t it? Throw more money at the problem and it will go away. It worked particularly well for the aboriginal communities up here in the Top End. They’ve had money thrown at them for decades. I’ve witnessed the results. There are very distinctive bands of haves and have nots, and not in a good Keynesian sense, but in a some animals are more equal than others kind of way. There is no incentive to better their situation either. Handing the poorest families “sit down money” only encourages laziness, drunkenness and abuse. It doesn’t offer them a way up or out of their situation. It just reinforces to them that they are useless and reliant on the white man for money. Why would they get a job that would require them to actually contribute something to their community, when every second Thursday their piss money just turns up in an account (pay Thursday night in Katherine is truly a sight to behold)? Claire Martin has been a devoted adherent to the “consultative” approach that has been going around in circles for decades with no clear resolution in sight, except for an apartheid system of welfare dependence for their “oppressed brothers”. That’s what cost her the top job. She was made redundant the day the Mal Brough and John Howard decided that enough was enough and something needed to be done. They didn’t make that decision in committee with input from special interest groups and university types who’ve never been north of the Tropic of Capricorn or west of Penrith. They made that decision based on a dire and screaming need for it.
Tim Costello can get stuffed. When Australia doesn’t have cases of gonorrhea in six moth old aboriginal children, we might then consider handing over wads of cash to corrupt African dictatorships, but until then, we need a practical solution to the problems in aboriginal communities that doesn’t involve cash handouts.
Posted by Richard Sharpe on 2007 11 26 at 08:15 AM • permalink
“On another note: when do you think the AWB inquiry will start up?”
Immediately after shreddergate, you dunce.
Posted by Abu Chowdah on 2007 11 26 at 08:24 AM • permalink
- #127 Janice
For what it’s worth I think you’re right and I agree with you.“Original owners” is bullshit, aborigines had not concept of land ownership, or any kind of ownership.Throwing money at the problems has not fixed them. The money has just been misused by the levels of administration in the aboriginal industry.
From the protests against the intervention in the Territory it sounded very much, sadly, like those protestors wanted the status to remain quo.
#178 You don’t seriously think that the ABC group think would come up with the same failed solution to the same problem do you?
Posted by Richard Sharpe on 2007 11 26 at 08:42 AM • permalink
161: Do you have any real idea how much we’d be engaged with Asia if it were really, actually illegal for an Oz company to be involved with any company that paid bribes or kickbacks?
I’m just curious. You think that tangential involvement with a company that traded with a company that payed kickbacks to foreign officials should what? Bring down Howard? ( “Can’t get much furhter down than he already is! Haw haw haw!”) But you still think we should be trading more with China instead of the USA, I assume?
So, in short, if I am correct, you want to trade with China…. but NOT with any company that pays bribes… right?
Truly prosperous and self-determining Aboriginal individuals with genuine pride, self-built communities, ACTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS and no need of the white man’s charity are of no political use to anyone.
Poor, shoddily-governed collectives completely gutted of real self-worth, packed into ghettos on the basis of race on land that they cannot in actual fact own, sell, lease, rent, or buy (because Native Title is the shittiest lie ever told ) are clearly in need of more of the same people and strategy that did this to them in the first place.
- #154. “Maybe you missed this paragraph R Gehlen:
provide practical aid, provide the means for self-help/determination.”I didn’t miss it at all. My second point dealt with it quite nicely. I mean, surely there is no greater way of providing ‘practical..[]..self-help…’ to the 2 million Iraqi’s displaced by the US invasion than by allowing them to reside in the ‘Land of Opportunity’? Unfortunately the US President doesn’t agree with you on conservative norms of charity…
#159. “In fact Iran was a free and prosperous country before the Shah was kicked out.”
— Nora
Nora, you continue to amaze…entire populations rarely revolt and overthrow their government if they are feeling ‘free and prosperous’…Nevertheless, let’s take a peak at the freedom meted out by the Shah’s secret police, the SAVAK…
“Throughout Mohammad Reza Shah’s tenure, the SAVAK earned a reputation as a brutal and ruthless organization that tortured and executed thousands of Iranians who were suspected of being against the government.”
Wow, if that’s freedom, give me…
#170. In regards to Howard’s re-invasion of Aboriginal communities in the NT and elsewhere…I find it interesting how KKKonservatives are able to point the finger of blame at the past policies of various ‘welfare’ policies by successive Federal governments. And yet the finger pointing for some reason stops at that particular moment, and no other past policies (massacres, stolen children, forced onto missions, paid less than white men for the same work or nothing at all etc etc)have an effect on the situation Aborigines find themselves in today…
- #187
R GarglinGovernments for 30-40 years – longer, have been ineffectual in fixing the aboriginal ‘problem’. Throwing money seemed to be the answer.It didn’t work. None of it worked. Yes, in some cases they thought they were doing the right thing, paying Aboriginal stockmen equal wages for equal work, but when that happened the Aboriginal workers couldn’t make ends meet (nor could the property owners afford to look after whole aboriginal familes as they had in the past); instead of having work and having everything provided for them and getting paid, admittedly not much, but it was enough for them, the pastoralists had to let them go.
John Howard and Mal Brough have taken action to fix the problem. No amount of wondering, pondering, meeting, discussing, throwing money has made an ounce of difference in places where these practices (bashing, brawling, drunkedness, child molesting, substance abuse) are taking place.
And all you can do is point out that nobody’s done anything in consecutive governments over many years and different parties in control.
Howard’s, perhaps like many other governments in the past, was paralysed by “damned if you do, damned if you don’t”. For over ten years. Then he felt he must do something, because noone else had or would.
You sound like one of these people who wants to perpetuate the tragic happenings in aboriginal communities to give you a cause. Nothing concrete should be done because it’s not going to work or it’s not right or whatever excuse you can put forward.
Howard and Brough, along with many members of the general public, thought that it was about time that action was taken. They had a plan. They would be damned if they did, and damned if they didn’t.
I’m glad they did. I want to see aboriginal people progress in Australia, to have the opportunities and enjoy the progress that other Australians have.
What’s your excuse?
- Officially it was Pauline Hanson who ‘broke the silence’ on indigenous Australians, but a good year before she was even heard from Australian Business Magazine ran a lengthy and comprehensive piece which essentially came to the same conclusion, ie, millions of dollars in being thrown at the problem and there is bugger all result to show for it.
That article sailed straight into obscurity, but it laid out the facts and figures. It deserves to be dug out and reread.Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 11 27 at 09:31 AM • permalink
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