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Last updated on March 6th, 2018 at 12:32 am

Time to replace certain members of the High Court:

High Court judge Michael Kirby yesterday accused America of being “obsessed” with September 11, 2001, saying more people died each day of AIDS than perished in the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington …

Justice Kirby [said]: “Yes, but the Americans, with all respects, have become obsessed with September 11.

“That is not an event that occurred in this country, and I think we have to keep our eye on the threats to Australia,” he said.

Justice Kirby added that more people died every day from the disease AIDS than died in September 11.

Most AIDS deaths occur outside of Australia. Would Kirby argue that AIDS deaths should therefore be downplayed, or that AIDS isn’t a threat here?

Posted by Tim B. on 02/20/2007 at 09:24 PM
    1. Maybe Justice Kirby has a vested interest in the subject of AIDS.

      — Nora

      Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 02 20 at 09:37 PM • permalink


    1. So, American casualties in Iraq are equally irrelevant?

      Someone should ask him if the Bali bombings (which did not occur in Australia) should be ignored as well, due to the small number of victims.

      Posted by kpom on 2007 02 20 at 09:37 PM • permalink


    1. I understand the Obama camp is outraged.  Just listen to all their soundbites.

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 02 20 at 09:43 PM • permalink


    1. Dear Justice Kirby,

      Next time the Japanese are bombing Port Darwin, how about we just let you alone to get over it?

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 02 20 at 09:45 PM • permalink


    1. With “all respect”, Mr Kirby, you are an embittered, sanctimonious, vegemite driller who is obsessed with his own homo-sexuality.

      Far and away the worst memeber of the High Court. His blurring of the divisions between legislature and judiciary has seen some absolutely ridiculous decisions handed down.

      May interest the Honourable Judge to know that the people who flew the planes into the WTC would tear him a new arsehole, and not in the way he hopes.

      Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 02 20 at 09:49 PM • permalink


    1. And more people die due to terrorist attacks or AIDS than to global warming. Maybe Justice Kirby should think about that.

      Posted by morbo on 2007 02 20 at 09:50 PM • permalink


    1. Kirby has always known that he personally doesn’t have to observe the customary prudence of a High Court judge. He knows that as a “gay icon” he can do and say anything he likes and the commentariat won’t hold him to account for it.

      Posted by C.L. on 2007 02 20 at 09:55 PM • permalink


    1. Once again we have someone looking at 9/11 purely in terms of the final body count and not in terms of the bigger picture.  In a nutshell, the 9/11 terrorists were trying to kill tens of thousands of people and easily could have succeeded in doing so had the towers not held long enough for people to get out.  Moreover, terrorists would like to repeat this scenario, not just in the US, but in Europe as well.  It is reasonable to assume that if Islamic terrorists can repeat 9/11, they will do so.  Hence, 9/11 is a big deal, even if the final body count doesn’t measure up to some other arbitrary body count.

      Posted by Bill Ramey on 2007 02 20 at 09:56 PM • permalink


    1. If a jihadi deathbot was to detonate a dirty bomb tonight in Oxford Street, Sydney, killing 3000 homo-sexuals, would Mr Kirby obsess at all about that?

      Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 02 20 at 09:59 PM • permalink


    1. Nobody loves us. Everybody hates us. I’m gonna go eat worms.

      Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2007 02 20 at 10:03 PM • permalink


    1. I would have thought a judge would understand the difference between accident or disease and willful intent to murder.  Yes we are obsessed with 9/11 (well maybe the Democrats aren’t).  The reason is we could foresee a rising cacaphony of terrorism striking around the world if something was not done about it, soon reaching a crescendo with nuclear tarrorist attacks.  The jihadis are so irrational and hate so indiscriminately that Sydney might be the target for such an attack, although I’ve always thought the prime target for a nuke terrorist attack would be New York, because that way they could kill the most Jews.  Do you suppose Hillary ever thinks about that when she or her pals blather about withdrawal from Iraq, resulting in surrender in the War on the Jihadi Terrorists?

      Posted by Michael Lonie on 2007 02 20 at 10:04 PM • permalink


    1. This is the judge Matthew Newton is hoping will hear his domestic violence case.

      Posted by HC44 on 2007 02 20 at 10:04 PM • permalink


    1. This guy doesn’t just step outside his remit; he loudly proclaims it is his duty to do so.
      He even tells law students that they must be social pioneers (Kirby-speak for judicial activists).  The left have been content with this diversion of power from the elected to the unelected because so far in Australia the activism has been in one direction, namely theirs.
      However they should look at the US where both sides now use the courts to promote the whackier agendas that would never get through a legislature.  The left started it, of course, mostly in the area of affirmative action.  However the right eventually realised, hey, this works.  Hence the attempt to force Creationism into school curriculums in Pennsylvania (which failed this time, but perseverance pays).
      Kirby and his supporters should realise that two can play at this game, and eventually they will.

      Posted by Sholto on 2007 02 20 at 10:15 PM • permalink


    1. #3….crickets….

      Posted by KK on 2007 02 20 at 10:16 PM • permalink


    1. Infidel, you didn’t invite Kirby to…

      Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 02 20 at 10:16 PM • permalink


    1. No, funnily enough I didn’t!

      It’s not meant to be a reward for beclownment (new favourite word).

      Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 02 20 at 10:20 PM • permalink


    1. Good old reliable Kirbs, always ready to provide a soundbite that panders to his constituency, despite never being elected to any office.

      Federal and state Labor have been responsible for appointing some real retards, malfeasant mongs and activist eejits to various benches nationwide, but Kirbs really stands out- it’s a toss-up between him and the demented Pat O’Shane as to who is the most cringeworthy, but seeing as Pat the Bat is unlikely to get on the Federal Court bench let alone the High Court it’s gotta be Kirbs through sheer ability to fuck with the entire nation, and its constitution.

      The attorneys generals responsible for these appointments must have no shame, and are impervious to embarrassment.

      When is the silly old sausage swallower going to cop his humungous super and retire? Perhaps his fellow traveller Bob could find him a spot overseeing matters in the Pixie Tribunal in Tasmania, where his obvious talent and empathy would shine.

      Posted by Habib on 2007 02 20 at 10:23 PM • permalink


    1. I have no problems with the blokes homosexuality. As long as he doesnt make it compulsory. However I do question the wisdom of appointing a man to the highest court in the land who openly brags of breaking the laws (unjust as they were) againt homosexuality for many years.
      I would much rather he maintained a silence regaurding his homosexual behaviour prior to it being decriminalised.
      I dislike the dishonnesty of having a Judge of the highest court in Australia offering himself up as a “victim done good”.

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 02 20 at 10:26 PM • permalink


    1. Hitler murdered more homosexuals in concentration camps than there were Americans who died on 9/11.  But I think gay people should just “get over it”.

      How does that feel, Justice Kirby, sir?

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2007 02 20 at 10:36 PM • permalink


    1. He could mention that, on an average day with no particular disasters, 100,000 people die.  10,000 in America.

      So 9/11 in the scheme of things isn’t a big deal.

      He would be correct.  But the point of 9/11 is the realization of a growing threat, namely that modern weapons are too deadly in the hands of hostile groups to any longer coinhabit the world with 12th century governments.

      Hostile groups must be pursued and their operations ruined and their finances destroyed wherever they try to take root.

      Small groups can’t work much damage.  Large groups big enough to get something bad going have informers and financial trails and can be discovered.  Provided only that noplace on earth has a government that fails to hunt them down.  Iraq was as good a place to start as any.

      The “pre-9/11’’ mindset is one that doesn’t realize thi

      Posted by rhhardin on 2007 02 20 at 10:38 PM • permalink


    1. 3000 dead when some members of a deranged ultraconservative desert survival cult hijack airliners and fly them into buildings.  Oh, and the vics were mostly Democrats according to Tubster Moore.  OK Justice Kirby, lets shrug that one off.

      But people dying from what is literally the world’s most preventable disease. Now that is something to get wound up about and spend jillions (of other people’s money) on!

      Reality based community.  Heh.

      Posted by Vanguard of the Commentariat on 2007 02 20 at 10:49 PM • permalink


    1. So being killed in a fireball caused by insane murderers pushing a terrorism agenda is comparable to dying a protracted death from a preventable disease.  I guess that means going to work is a high-risk practice?  Good one, judge.

      Posted by rebase on 2007 02 20 at 10:51 PM • permalink


    1. So I thought, he might have a point, so I looked up world causes of death.
      Yep, HIV/AIDS casues 2.777 million deaths each year, which is a lot, about the same number as died from chronic pulmonary diseases.  Diarrhoea causes 1.8 million, but Kirby isn’t too worried about that, even though he suffers the verbal variety. Babies dying at birth is around 2.5 million, but he didn’t seem too worried about them either, at a guess because freckle punchers and shirt tail lifters don’t tend to have ‘em.  Cancer, 7.121 million.

      Oh, by the way I can only assume his point was that we shoudn’t worry about war – it only killed 172,000 people in 2005.

      Posted by entropy on 2007 02 20 at 11:06 PM • permalink


    1. Duh, he’s right, I hear the AIDS viruses are trying to get their tiny little hands on nuclear weapons, then they’ll do a LOT better than 3,000 victims.

      Posted by Shaky Barnes on 2007 02 20 at 11:08 PM • permalink


    1. I guess that means going to work is a high-risk practice?

      Sure is if you’re a Kings Cross rentboy sex worker of no specific age,description or gender.

      Posted by Habib on 2007 02 20 at 11:08 PM • permalink


    1. Watched United 93 a couple of days ago – brilliant.

      Kirby, there’s this little saying we’ve got that reminds us not to listen to soulless ratbags such as yourself:

      Lest We Forget.

      We keep saying it, in the hope it will help us prevent such atrocities from ever happening again.

      Doesn’t help your case either, Kirbs, that your type’s always first to point the finger at someone else when it does.

      Posted by Dminor on 2007 02 20 at 11:09 PM • permalink


    1. Justice Kirby added that more people died every day from the disease AIDS than died in September 11.

      Unfortunately Judge Kirby Islamists are just as deadly and spreading just as quickly as “the disease” AIDS.

      I’m not a forensic pathologist, so I can’t say those that do daily bombings and kill, in damn near every nation on this earth, or assassinations, (try Pakistan today headlines) have AIDS, but the people ‘they’ kill, are just as dead.

      One last thing sell your “get over it” expoundings to the “obsessed” relatives of the Australian dead, in the Bali Bombings.

      Posted by El Cid on 2007 02 20 at 11:17 PM • permalink


    1. On 9/11 the US was attacked.  They subsequently declared a war: On Terror.  Australia has an extant treaty with the US known as the ANZUS treaty.  We are pledged to defend them if they are attacked and they are pledged to do likewise for us.

      Australia has enjoyed the comfort of that treaty since WWII and occasionally we need to honour it.  For a High Court judge to be unaware of this treaty is careless, to dismiss it is criminal.  Since our involvement in Iraq was formally entered into under the treaty, Kirby is sailing very close to trouble here.  Similarly the Labor Party needs to ask themselves seriously whether if we jettison our obligations under the treaty we similarly jettison those of the US.

      Posted by allan on 2007 02 20 at 11:19 PM • permalink


    1. And there were Australians working in the World Trade Centre.  One young Australian sent an email to her mother:

      “Don’t worry, I’m OK. It hit the other one.’

      Posted by ChrisPer on 2007 02 20 at 11:31 PM • permalink


    1. Kirby is another of those lefties totally caught up in his own cleverness and infallibility, someone who believes that the laws of the country should not be left in the hands of the elected represeantatives of the people.

      Kirby’s appointment to the High Court was one of Keating’s last insults hurled at Australia. His departure from the bench will be as joyfully received as the retirement of the former chief judge of the family court, Alistair Nicholson, another who let personal opinion override the law.

      Reading his bio, it was interesting to see he didn’t come out until 1999. He was notoriously well-known in the back alleys and clubs of King Cross in the 1980s for his sexual preferences.

      Posted by Contrail on 2007 02 20 at 11:31 PM • permalink


    1. No allan the ANZUS treaty was only invoked for Afghanistan.

      Posted by armageddon on 2007 02 20 at 11:33 PM • permalink


    1. If our esteemed pillow-biter wasn’t so obsessed with America, he might have had something to say about Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Mauritania, Sudan, Somalia and Yemen all of whom uphold the death penalty for those found in same-sex relationships. Similar laws were in place in Afghanistan until the US intervened.

      Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 02 20 at 11:39 PM • permalink


    1. This man’s unsavoury proclivities should exclude him from all public office. His proclivity to be an out and out self indulgent fucktard of the highest order.

      Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 02 20 at 11:44 PM • permalink


    1. Ahem.

      Might I suggest the United States assassinate Justice Kirby?  Then the U.S. could tell outraged Australians to get over it, more people die of AIDS every day than were killed in his assassination.  And then say to any other country that wants to complain that they shouldn’t care about the assassination because it didn’t happen in their countries.

      I mean, I understand how Justice Kirby could find it personally objectionable, but it would be entirely consistent with his espoused logic.  And, well, he wouldn’t be able to object for long if my advice were taken.

      Posted by Warmongering Lunatic on 2007 02 20 at 11:54 PM • permalink


    1. I like the old poojabber’s logic. It’s been 5 years so we should get over it.

      I am now officially starting the I’m Over Mohammed Dawood Club. Entry by gold coin donation to the Semper Fi Fund.

      Posted by Jack Lacton on 2007 02 21 at 12:03 AM • permalink


    1. i wish we could say the same- that we were obssessed with the slaughter of 88 innocent Australians in Bali.
      however we are fsr more obsessed with the return of Mo Dawood AKA David Hicks to Australia and I find that quite shameful.
      Will all who convert to islam and wage Jihad against America/Australia be treated as persecuted heroes by the Australian left and their media in the future ?
      Britain now has hundreds of British pakistanis trainign in jihad camps in Pakistan Afghanistan border areas.
      Hicks is just the precursor of things to come and if we do not apply laws that strip those who take arms against us of their automatic right of support by Australia, we will have dozens of Hicks type cases to deal with.
      Much as it is tempting, to make analogy between a deadly virus and Jihadist murderers of infidels. Kirby misses the fact that viruses are not selective of the religion of their victims.

      Posted by davo on 2007 02 21 at 12:07 AM • permalink


    1. The Journal of Scientific Exploration has via a few scientific papers and comments demonstrated that AIDs is not a disease but a condition common to certain demographics.

      As for Asia and Africa, the AIDs situation there is contrived and based on the assumption that specific symptoms are indicative. Again JSE shows that the deaths are actually due to malaria and a host of other diseases.

      AID is, like climate change, a sure money spinner for the bureaucrats and their scientific buddies.

      That Kirby and others actually believe this makes me wonder whether our commonly accepted definiation

      Posted by Louis on 2007 02 21 at 12:08 AM • permalink


    1. er, definition of intelligence needs to be revised.

      Posted by Louis on 2007 02 21 at 12:09 AM • permalink


    1. Entrophy :- HIV/AIDS casues 2.777 million deaths each year.

      Well I suspect a large proportion of those deaths would have been among homosexuals and as yet there is no cure just as there is no “cure” for terrorism.

      Mr. Kirby I suggest you just have to “get over” any obsession about HIV/AIDS deaths.

      Posted by Spag_oz on 2007 02 21 at 12:10 AM • permalink


    1. There’s a tiny percentage of AIDS cases that result from a contaminated blood transfusion or other medical accident. The other 99.99% (i.e. homosexuals and junkies) I have zero sympathy for. They know how it’s spread, and they choose to spread it anyway. AIDS research/charities is something I’ll never contribute a cent towards.

      Posted by Stone Cold on 2007 02 21 at 12:11 AM • permalink


    1. It’s only in the west where the majority of HIV/AIDS infections are among the traditional high-risk groups (TV presenters, glam-rock band frontpersons, Village People, fans of the products of Papaver Somniferum etc); in much of Africa and Asia infection rates are highest among heterosexual root rats, who would shag the hair on a barbers floor.

      This has also led to some really tasty activities, especially in ignorance-addled Africa where it is a commonly held belief that having sex with a virgin will cure HIV, resulting in the heavy incidence of the particularly odious practice of baby/child rape.

      At least those who contract this preventable disease in the 3rd world have the excuse of ignorance/superstition; new contractees in the West can go fuck themselves*.

      *If they had’ve stuck to sneezing the ferret they wouldn’t be needing a hugely expensive course of retrovirals and Interferon for the next 20-30 years. Morons.

      Posted by Habib on 2007 02 21 at 01:20 AM • permalink


    1. Kirby, a Paul Keating Labor appointee, Halali, kept here after a Paul Keating override on Chris Hurford the then immigration minister. No doubt about it, Labor do really put being ‘stylish’ for minorities above what is good for the country. Probably, that is why so many wackjobs, ethnic victim lobbies, and tossers with other agendas, make up todays Labor Party, instead of the constituents that they were originally there to represent.
      The scary part is Kevin Rudd looks ‘normal’ and could get Labor across the line, but what we don’t see, is the backroom boys (no pun intended Kirby), and the deals being done, that allowed the likes of Kirby, and all the other strange types who get these appointments, along with the usual quasi star chambers. After all, the ‘Ruddster’ is only leader by name, the factions and deal makers, make the decisions, and he does what he is told, like a good comrade and collective thinker should.

      Posted by BJM on 2007 02 21 at 01:33 AM • permalink


    1. Well, BJM, they say Australia follows American trends a few years after the fact. Post Congressional elections, the current tripartite Australian obsession with terrorist David Hicks, surrender in Iraq and the religious cult of globular enwarmification is leading me inexorably to conclude that Rudd will be Prime Minister by Christmas.

      Posted by C.L. on 2007 02 21 at 01:44 AM • permalink


    1. I have decided that whatever happens to the rest of those overweight, Oprah watching, oxygen wasting dirtbags in Gitmo, we’re going to keep Hicks until he rots.

      I want him to see everyone else get a nice little hospitality package as they’re loaded on homeward bound flights.

      If he ever goes back to Australia, at best it should be in a shoe box, at worst it should be as a drooling scab of wasted flesh…delivered in person to this so-called ass-packer you call a judge.

      No, I haven’t forgotten 911.

      Posted by trainer on 2007 02 21 at 01:50 AM • permalink


    1. People say the oddest things when they have a sore bum, so please forgive the old turd burglar.

      Posted by Howzat on 2007 02 21 at 01:50 AM • permalink


    1. Every year, millions more people die of old age than die of AIDS.

      Therefore, Kirby should being so obsessed with AIDS.


      Posted by Quentin George on 2007 02 21 at 02:09 AM • permalink


    1. #1 I visited that link. I see from his horoscope he’s got a horseshoe in his Uranus cluster. Who’d a thunk

      Posted by larrikin on 2007 02 21 at 02:12 AM • permalink


    1. #43. CL; You could be right there. But we can always hold out for a bit of self destruction, maybe not as spectacular as Latham. The way Garrett, Brown, Gilliard, and of course throw Flannery into the mix, and I don’t see Rudd or his advisers keeping a lid on things, not without creating some real bad blood, in the usual Labor Party style.
      #44. trainer; You don’t really want, to have to feed and clothe that rat till he rots, there are better things to spend money on. Hell, think of the waste of money, changing the bloody toilet situation for these scum.
      Just have a length of cord or whatever left inadvertently in his cell. Then if he is ‘sad’ and ‘depressed’ as the advocates say, then nature will take its course. As to Kirby, well he may be a judge, but he is probably only a product of ‘progressive’ manners and no taste. We here have certainly not forgotten 9/11.

      Posted by BJM on 2007 02 21 at 02:32 AM • permalink


    1. Justice Kirby is a judicial activist of the worst kind whose political biases are obvious. Impartiality plays a secondary role in his version of justice and his personal views too often intervene.

      Despite this, and the unsavoury proclivities and activities referred to in several of the contributions above, he has for many years been protected by the media and the police in Sydney.  His like-minded mates in the judiciary are also most helpful in that regard.

      Hasn’t Paul Keating left us some real treasures?

      Posted by ann j on 2007 02 21 at 03:09 AM • permalink


    1. Lefties are amazing. They still pout about the republic referendum, and that was before 9/11.
      Come on you silly lefties – GET OVER IT!!!

      Posted by DropDeadUgly on 2007 02 21 at 03:44 AM • permalink


    1. So, you’re a member of the Stolen Generation(tm)?

      Get over it!

      Posted by bad templar on 2007 02 21 at 03:49 AM • permalink


    1. One of the most understated but important legacies of the Howard Government has been a gradual replacement of a number of the clowns that made up the Mason High Court with a solid bench of Justices who are pretty judically conservative. Kirby is left as the last pathetic relic of the old guard that wanted to to imply rights and freedoms in the constitution that weren’t written anywhere, sign up to Native Title etc etc. Lange v ABC makes Roe v Wade look like a Socratic exercise logical deduction. Kirby is a disillusioned old man who had seen his bullshit ideas on judicial activism be discredited to the point that he’s now like the Ralph Nader of the High Court, still flailing after the same tired talking points long after everyone stopped taking him seriously.

      Posted by Behemoth on 2007 02 21 at 03:52 AM • permalink


    1. What’s the old arse-thumper think of the bible-thumping Rudds, as he believes that the Church has given gays a ‘rough ride’ over the years?

      Gay political appointees the source of the Keating ‘gay’ rumours?

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 02 21 at 04:03 AM • permalink


    1. More people die each day of AIDS than perished in the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington. Yes, and hopefully this repulsive fudge-judge will join them soon.

      Posted by AlphaMikeFoxtrot on 2007 02 21 at 04:13 AM • permalink


    1. Slightly O/T:

      On today’s ABC Ruddio National Breakfast, Frazzledy Fran Kelly and Michelle Grattan:

      Perth is a political sandpit, in which the PM and the KRudder are trading insults, in which Howard “couldn’t help himself” and “blurted out” that Rudd was “full of himself”.
      Yesterday, Fran speculated that KRuddy had headed to Perth to harass the PM, who had responded so to pressure and irritation.

      Fran: KRuddy was quoted in a magazine profile as saying “I instinctively know how Howard is going to play things … I think it will be fun to play with his mind”; and that Howard is a “national security risk”.

      Michelle: (national security risk) comment re getting Australia deeper into Iraq by committing trainers (KRuddy: train via neighbours: Jordan, Syria, etc.). Howard: KRuddy’s having “a bet each way” in saying that Iraq needed help to “stand on its own two feet” [previous thread: KRuddy, when pressed, admitted that he could not withdraw troops; NB: Hillary is pro Iraq troops, USA Dem’s voted for troops, Obama only one did not, as latecomer?]

      No transcript: 2nd hour of audio file @5min30sec in.

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 02 21 at 04:22 AM • permalink


    1. #47
      Is that some new treatment for piles?

      Oh, anyone else notice the eloquent euphemisms for male homosexuals used by Australians? I don’t think I’ve heard many from Americans.

      Posted by kae on 2007 02 21 at 04:30 AM • permalink


    1. #47
      I read something about Jupiter descending on Uranus midheaven, also related: getting his member into a seat in the UN

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 02 21 at 04:49 AM • permalink


    1. #56
      Maybe it’s Kirby’s Arse-trology page?

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 02 21 at 05:00 AM • permalink


    1. Kirby is a disgrace to the Bench and the Nation.  He is one of a handful of judges who don’t seem to realise that they are there to enforce the laws enacted by the government, not change them.

      Posted by Blink on 2007 02 21 at 05:27 AM • permalink


    1. #56 dunno, but I can’t help wondering what happened to the poor horse

      Posted by hooligan on 2007 02 21 at 05:30 AM • permalink


    1. hooligan

      ahh, for lack of a plank…

      Posted by kae on 2007 02 21 at 05:33 AM • permalink


    1. #55
      Source: KRudder playing with Howard’s mind

      Opposition Leader Kevin Rudd has faith in God
      … but does God have faith in the KRudder?

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 02 21 at 05:35 AM • permalink


    1. Love all the anti-gay sentiment here! Classy stuff. Who wouldn’t join “Infidel Tiger” and “AlphaMikeFoxtrot” in wishing Kirby an AIDS-inflicted death, the filthy “homo-sexual”! Plenty of our arab friends would certainly agree with that, so maybe there’s a chance to find common ground yet.

      That said, Kirby’s absolutely right – America is totally obsessed with September 11. Whether rightly or wrongly is a matter for some debate but to deny that they are, in fact, completely obsessed is just crazy. They’re so obsessed that they’re tearing apart the very essence of their greatness – their liberty – in a vain attempt to prevent a re-occurence, no matter how high the cost. I feel that in the long term this will prove to be a grevious error.

      But hell, let’s not get too highbrow and philosophising around here. Yeah man! Kirby should die of AIDS! Stupid faggot! LOL! Semper Fi!

      Posted by hkstar on 2007 02 21 at 05:39 AM • permalink


    1. #63
      Attacking a thread … hubris?
      Kirby attacking a nation … hubris?
      Kirby lives in a gilded glass cage?
      La cage au folle?

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 02 21 at 05:47 AM • permalink


    1. This is the more-people-die-in-car-accidents argument.  As logic, it’s deranged; as morality, it’s obscene. On 9/11, nearly 3,000 people didn’t just ‘die’; they were murdered with a cruelty that beggars description.

      We might expect such cheap politicking and callousness to issue from the lips of US baiters like Philip Adams but when it comes from someone sitting on the High Court bench, it’s more than an embarrassment.

      Posted by Inurbanus on 2007 02 21 at 05:51 AM • permalink


    1. #64
      La Cage aux Folles

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 02 21 at 05:53 AM • permalink


    1. #43 – yes, CL, there does seem to be an imperfect storm brewing. The battalions of slavering media entertainment & arts alliance types (who would have lumbered us with the ALP fronted by Latham), now happy to lumber us with the ALP fronted by anyone who’ll get them over the line. The ALP leadership is like the brick verandah on the front of a termite infested weatherboard bungalow.
      This will be a test of character for the Libs and the voters. Whatever happens I will not threaten to emigrate, however removing oneself from the heart of darkness (Sydney, not Canberra) might be advisable.

      Posted by blogstrop on 2007 02 21 at 05:54 AM • permalink


    1. Would Kirby like his friends and relatives to die slowly over time or all-at-once? … time is said to be the ‘outrage factor’ in such cases.

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 02 21 at 05:58 AM • permalink


    1. hkstar will find much better philosophising at Daily Kos, a highly esteemed left site.

      Posted by blogstrop on 2007 02 21 at 05:59 AM • permalink


    1. hkstar, give me one example of how Americans are “tearing apart” their liberties.

      And answer this question: is it now more likely or less likely that a state would give assistance of any kind to a group that would commit mass murder on American soil? More likely or less likely?

      Posted by C.L. on 2007 02 21 at 06:02 AM • permalink


    1. Kirby is a nong, gay’s got nothing to do with it.

      Well, maybe it does. He’d still be a nong (or worse) if he was straight.

      Posted by kae on 2007 02 21 at 06:03 AM • permalink


    1. #71
      He prolly sucks, like a Kirby vacuum …

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 02 21 at 06:05 AM • permalink


    1. PS, hkstar:

      Please avoid cliches about telephone surveillance – Bobby Kennedy was tapping people left, right and centre 40 years ago. Please don’t mention Gitmo – it’s a prison no worse and probably significantly more civilised than many gaols in America and Australia. Please don’t say citizens are being prevented from criticising the President. Please don’t say soldiers are being conscripted to fight an unjust war. All Anglosphere troops in Iraq are volunteers.

      Now answer the question, numbnut.

      Posted by C.L. on 2007 02 21 at 06:05 AM • permalink


    1. #63 Where in this thread does Infidel Tiger wish Kirby an AIDS infected death? Nowhere. You’re an idiot. You can’t even get outraged without making things up.

      Posted by JonathanH on 2007 02 21 at 06:07 AM • permalink


    1. CL: OK one example. Not being able to get on a plane with a tube of toothpaste. Want another? I got millions!

      And I’ll answer your question: Probably no more or less likely. The danger has never been state-sponsored terrorism. Next question?

      blogstrop: you might be surprised to hear that despite my tolerance towards gays and my ability to acknowledge the patently obvious, even if it’s in a point made by the left, I’m actually quite right-wing. Yes, it is possible .. how about that!

      Posted by hkstar on 2007 02 21 at 06:08 AM • permalink


    1. JonathanH: He didn’t, but AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

      More people die each day of AIDS than perished in the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington. Yes, and hopefully this repulsive fudge-judge will join them soon.

      No need to start calling one another idiots.

      Posted by hkstar on 2007 02 21 at 06:11 AM • permalink


    1. Hkstar, I couldn’t give a flying about a person’s sexual preferences until they rub my nose in it.

      The esteemed Justice Kirby has outed himself and made a name for himself as the Caped Crusader of the Bench, and he should be ashamed of himself.

      If he wants to paint a big red target on himself with his activism then he can damned well wear all the crap that gets flung his way.

      He can dish it out, so time for him to take it like a man.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 02 21 at 06:14 AM • permalink


    1. #63 sanctimonious and anti-American in the one breath. sounds like you’ve got a horseshoe in your Uranus cluster, old chap.

      Posted by hooligan on 2007 02 21 at 06:19 AM • permalink


    1. Nilknarf: I suppose so. Doesn’t make it right.

      Don’t get me wrong, I can’t stand Kirby. The sooner he’s gone the better.

      But the quote everyone is talking about – that America is obsessed with 9/11 – is obviously true, and to deny it is kind of nuts. I’d kind of be interested in hearing that if the current state of affairs is not obsession, then what the hell is?

      But that’s not what I was upset about – I was upset about the anti-gay slurs I was seeing, including wishes for the guy to DIE (!!) from AIDS .. now that’s fucking reprehensible and so I said it.

      Now let the insults fly!

      Posted by hkstar on 2007 02 21 at 06:25 AM • permalink


    1. #76 If AlphaMikeFoxtrot is your problem, have a go at him. And fair play to you. But you had a go at the whole thread. Got yourself all worked up, spat the dummy right out of the pram, all over what? A couple of references to fudge-drillers and pillow-biters? Have you had a complete humourectomy in addition to your reading disorder?

      Posted by JonathanH on 2007 02 21 at 06:27 AM • permalink


    1. #63- Hey hkstar,

      Kindly point out were I wished “Kirby an AIDS-inflicted death”? If you are unable to do so, please remove your pants, stick both your arms in your arse and fist off.

      I hope Kirby lives long enough to realise that he is a disgrace and has lived a morally bankrupt life. I make no judgments whatsover on his homo-sexuality, unlike the good judge who has spent his entire career delivering prejudiced verdicts based on his world view, which is framed in entirety by his gayness.

      I await with bated breath your snivelling apology, you malignant arse pollop.

      Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 02 21 at 06:46 AM • permalink


    1. #Contrail, Nicholson,Lionel Murphy, Kirby all caused alot of social disruption in Oz.The family court being one of the reasons; this was their agenda of course.Kirby will fade away like the others,we hope the damage can be repaired.

      Posted by Paulm on 2007 02 21 at 06:47 AM • permalink


    1. OK one example. Not being able to get on a plane with a tube of toothpaste.

      Where in the Bill of Rights is that mentioned?

      And, really, you can. You just can’t have it in your carry-on luggage. Add the fact that most hotels will give you a “travel size” tube of toothpaste if yours is lost, and what you’ve declared is a loss of precious liberty is, in fact, a minor inconvenience. At worst.

      So let’s hear your “millions” of other examples; that one’s a complete nothing.

      Posted by Rob Crawford on 2007 02 21 at 06:50 AM • permalink


    1. Thanks for the defence JonathanH. Was too steamed to read anymore, went straight to vitriolic diatribe apologise or die comment section. Quite cathartic!

      Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 02 21 at 06:51 AM • permalink


    1. Infidel Tiger: I was wrong to suggest you’d suggested that. I have no way to edit my post to correct that error, otherwise I would.

      But no apology from me, you intolerant, subhuman turd – except maybe for your existence. Why don’t you go join Islamic Jihad? If you’re really lucky, you might get to decapitate some “morally bankrupt” gays together!

      Posted by hkstar on 2007 02 21 at 06:52 AM • permalink


    1. hkstar claims all the great liberties of American democracy are being torn apart by those obsessed with 9/11 but, when asked to name one, comes up with toothpaste.


      The danger has never been state-sponsored terrorism.

      That must be why the Clinton Administration bombed Sudan when it suspected Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein were cooperating in the production of chemical weapons. And why we went to war against the Taliban which gave sanctuary to Osama bin Laden. And why Hezbollah did Iran’s bidding in southern Lebanon last year, why its agents kill people in Iraq today and why its Mullahs want to annihilate Israel. And why state-sponsored Wahhabism spreads the religious toxin that fuels terrorism throughout the world. And why the proto-“state” of Palestine sponsors suicide bombings in Israel and why Saddam Hussein’s Iraq used to pay those suicide bombers’ families to kill people.

      Like I said in relation to hkstar: numbnut.

      Posted by C.L. on 2007 02 21 at 06:59 AM • permalink


    1. #85 – Infidel Tiger: I was wrong to suggest you’d suggested that. I have no way to edit my post to correct that error, otherwise I would.

      Take it from me, your father said something very similar to your mum after you were born.

      Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 02 21 at 06:59 AM • permalink


    1. OK one example. Not being able to get on a plane with a tube of toothpaste.

      heh heh, so they took you’re KY-jelly of you, did they?

      Posted by hooligan on 2007 02 21 at 07:08 AM • permalink


    1. Lol. Well, scintillating discussion all, but work must intrude – someone has to pay for all your Centrelink, after all. (Isn’t that what C.L. stands for?)

      Poofter bashing, “Ooh-rah!” boosterism and detailed justifications of why it’s totally irrelevant and un-serious to say that banning fluids in carry-on luggage on flights is in any way a loss of liberty can recommence .. now!

      Posted by hkstar on 2007 02 21 at 07:10 AM • permalink


    1. Great having you over, hkstar. Don’t let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

      Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 02 21 at 07:18 AM • permalink


    1. Haughty knownothing skedaddles, toothpaste answer razed.

      (Isn’t that what hkstar stands for?)

      Posted by C.L. on 2007 02 21 at 07:22 AM • permalink


    1. LOL yeah. I’d much rather hkstar’s buddies to be able to more easily follow through with their latest effort to smuggle binary liquid explosives on board a trans continental passenger flight…

      hkstar, sounds like you might be suffering from a mineral deficiency, try chewing a bullet. That should help.

      Posted by Grimmy on 2007 02 21 at 07:25 AM • permalink


    1. hkstar

      Kirby is a judge who has made a number of rulings influenced more by treaties signed, international law, and foreign precedents than pretty well any other judge in Australian history.
      Hes pretty well openly mocked parliments ability to make law (is function) by cherry picking ANY case from any of the major law bodies in the world to twist the terms to his own liking.
      He has been open about his pursuit of “social justice” from the bench at the expense of black letter law as it is written. It makes him a fool and a dangerous one at that.

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 02 21 at 07:27 AM • permalink


    1. Kirby made his cretinous comments during a High Court hearing in relation to the continuation of a control order over one Jihad Jack, confessed Al-Qaeda associate and character referee for Deadwood Hicks and Osama Bin Laden (not the Democrat presidential nominee, the other one), pending his trial on terrorist related charges.

      I can picture it now:

      His Honour: this whole terrorist thing is a bit over the top – I mean so a few thousand people got murdered, its not as if they were got some terminal disease from unprotected anal sex. I mean sheesh, lets not obsess people. [Hmmm that Jihad boy is rather nice looking. Bet he’s got a camel shoe in his Uranus cluster]’

      Posted by hooligan on 2007 02 21 at 07:36 AM • permalink


    1. Give me my toothpaste, or give me DEATH!

      I gotta million of em! Too.

      Still waiting for the other 999,999 though.

      cricket chirp……cricket chirp….

      Posted by FAM Texas Bob on 2007 02 21 at 07:44 AM • permalink


    1. “That is not an event that occurred in this country…”

      I remember getting lots of lectures about Americans being ignorant about the rest of the world. Has the judge lost his notes?

      Posted by Retread on 2007 02 21 at 08:09 AM • permalink


    1. hkstar
      HK Star
      Hong Kong Star
      Star TV Hong Kong?

      … has a resourceful method of smuggling toothpaste tubes inflight?

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 02 21 at 08:21 AM • permalink


    1. “We hold these truths to be self evident – that God has endowed mankind with certain inalienable rights. That among these rights are life, toothpaste and the pursuit of happiness..”

      And as Patrick Henry said,
      “Give me toothpaste or give me death!”

      Posted by squawkbox on 2007 02 21 at 09:36 AM • permalink


    1. The second amendment grants the right (of Americans) to keep and bear toothpaste.

      Posted by Some0Seppo on 2007 02 21 at 10:36 AM • permalink


    1. I mean, seriously—who thinks of having to put your toothpaste in your checked luggage as a loss of liberty. Does anyone consider not being able to drive around with an open container of alcohol a loss of liberty?

      Fer crissake, idiot lawmakers are trying to fine people for walking around with headphones on, and this joker obsesses over a ban intended to prevent the destruction of an airliner and the murder of everyone aboard!

      Posted by Rob Crawford on 2007 02 21 at 10:37 AM • permalink


    1. “I regret that I have but one tube of tartar control toothpaste (with whitening!) to give to the yutz standing next to the metal detector.”

      -Nathan Hale, shortly before he boarded the puddle jumper to Boise.

      Posted by Blue Hen on 2007 02 21 at 10:45 AM • permalink


    1. “Ask not what your toothpaste can do for you. Ask what you can do for your toothpaste.”

      Posted by C.L. on 2007 02 21 at 10:48 AM • permalink


    1. ’We are supposedly tearing apart the essence of liberty!?!’

      During the American Civil War, pro-southern politicans in Maryland and Delaware were interned in Ft McHenry (ironic, no?) as well as Ft Delaware. Union soldiers were stationed at polling places in both states in 1864, and soldiers were sent home to vote in some areas where the outcome was in doubt. These two states were literally forced to remain in the Union.

      I fail to see any parallels bewteen then and now, except for one grim fact. On 9/11 as in 1861, the President of the United States authorized American troops to fire upon fellow Americans.

      Posted by Blue Hen on 2007 02 21 at 10:55 AM • permalink


    1. #63- Yes, those anal Seppos, and they really got a bee in their collective bonnet over December the 7th in 1941 as well, spent four years in a conniption fit over it. Should be more adult like you I suppose, and absorb the insult, and reply with a smile!

      Posted by Habib on 2007 02 21 at 10:59 AM • permalink


    1. Did you know that when you hold a packet of dental floss,and then open it and draw some out while you’re standing in line at the airport, it looks to some people like a garrote? I learned that the other day as I was waiting to board my flight.
      Then I came to in sunny Cuba, and I get Halal meals (whatever that is) every day. For some reason, they keep giving me Korans. I got so many, that I tried throwing them away. My neighbors and the room service people became very upset. So, in order to spare their feelings, I decided to quietly flush them away instead. Oddly enough, they were even more upset.

      This is all very confusing.

      Posted by Blue Hen on 2007 02 21 at 11:01 AM • permalink


    1. Interview a person on the street about current events and you MIGHT get a stupid comment.

      Interview a High Court Judge about current events and you WILL get a stupid comment.

      Posted by rickw on 2007 02 21 at 07:58 PM • permalink


    1. Would Justice Kirby feel the same way if the towel heads had flown a couple of planes into one of thosesaunas?

      Posted by Hump B Bare on 2007 02 22 at 07:03 AM • permalink


    1. Where is Bill Heffernan when you need him?

      Posted by Hump B Bare on 2007 02 22 at 07:35 AM • permalink


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