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Lefties can’t take it. Nor, writes James Taranto, can they dish it out:
This is because liberals take themselves way too seriously—which ensures both that they are easy targets for mockery and that they do not do mockery well. For an example, check out the blog of Duncan “Atrios” Black. It is almost totally devoted to mockery, and it is totally devoid of wit.
Today’s challenge: identify an intentionally funny leftoid blog.
- I think finding the answers to solving the mysteries to cold fusion would be easier.Posted by Quidnunc Savant on 2006 05 02 at 12:48 PM • permalink
- And, like… all the commenters there do the same voice as the blogger, so like, it’s one big thing about how, like, the Right is all full of unquestioning drones marching in lockstep…
…and I am 25% certain that the irony of a bunch of people telling themselves the same joke over and over is intentional. I think.
- There’s a story about a DC social doyenne who was asked to entertain the Reagans when they first arrived in town (she, like most permanent fixtures in the Capital, was a Democrat). She did throw them a party and afterwards exclaimed “Who knew Republicans could be so much fun!” She went on to explain that Democrats and liberals anymore were such humorless drones that the social scene had become a tiresome obligation. She lamented, “Tell a liberal it’s a beautiful day and you’ll get a lecture on global warming”, and said that the new crowd fresh out of California brought with them a much needed breath of fresh, fun air.
It wasn’t always so. Hubert Humphrey, liberal to the core, had a sparkling wit, funny as hell. Same goes for Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
There are no intentionally funny leftoid blogs (well, I’m sure there must be some somewhere, but I haven’t encountered them). When they’re not making me laugh at them, they depress the hell out of me.
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 05 02 at 01:27 PM • permalink
- Today’s challenge: identify an intentionally funny leftoid blog.
NY Times Select?
Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2006 05 02 at 01:31 PM • permalink
- http://fafblog.blogspot.com/
Honestly, some good humor, there. And unless I’m wildly misreading–let me know–LLL as all getout.
- The closest I come is Wonkette. Not a really funny blog, and not 100% leftish, but close.Posted by Bill Spencer on 2006 05 02 at 02:20 PM • permalink
- Well, Sigivald, she was telling her story much later (late 90’s), so maybe she was being “artful”.Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 05 02 at 02:48 PM • permalink
- ”…intentionally funny leftoid blog…”, Tim? Got a long lunch with expensive wine coming up, and you want a chance to relax afterwards?
😉
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 05 02 at 02:52 PM • permalink
- Kyda Sylvester
It wasn’t always so. Hubert Humphrey, liberal to the core, had a sparkling wit, funny as hell. Same goes for Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
Joseph Isadore Lieberman, has the same air. Look closely and one can see the Lefties attempt to beat that out of him. Started election 2000 and continues to this day, in fact the Left is trying to beat their very hawkish liberal, in his bid for another term.
- I remember John Cleese talked about making the movie A Fish Called Wanda. He said he, the writers, and producers basically made the British roles appear in accordance with stereotypes Americans had of their British cousins (erudite, intelligent, effete, rigid social customs) and the American roles appear in accordance with British preconceived notions of Americans (randy, sexy, shiftless, dangerous). It made for hilarious comedy.
“You British make me sick. Do you know where you’d be right now if it wasn’t for the good old USA? The smallest fucking province of the Soviet Union, that’s where!”
When the rightwing commenters here engage in parody and satire, we try writing according to the prejudiced notions held by the left as to how the right acts and thinks. Case in point: our strict and unerring loyalty to Karl Rove.
Why can’t the left do the same, using the preconceived notions we on the right have of them? What notions would that be? Where does one begin? Fecklessness, weakness, emphasis on form rather than results, lack of responsibility, political correctness, preferance for transnational organizations, and so on.
Posted by wronwright on 2006 05 02 at 03:41 PM • permalink
- I don’t check his site daily but when I do I always read the archives as well. Plus Dennis the Peasant likes Beethoven and knows who The Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band was.Posted by Pat Patterson on 2006 05 02 at 03:48 PM • permalink
- wronwright rightly wrote recently (mostly):
Why can’t the left do the same, using the preconceived notions we on the right have of them? What notions would that be? Where does one begin? Fecklessness, weakness, emphasis on form rather than results, lack of responsibility, political correctness, preferance for transnational organizations, and so on.
I think they do do that, but they call it acting naturally. Except for the part about emphasis on form rather than results. In their case, it’s more like ruthless tunnel vision with no quarter given for consistancy or unintended consequences.
Posted by tim maguire on 2006 05 02 at 04:04 PM • permalink
- Pat Patterson
Plus Dennis the Peasant likes Beethoven and knows who The Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band was.
Hey! So do I!
Naturally, using Monty Python nics, we’d better.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 05 02 at 04:27 PM • permalink
- I recently made a lame little joke about global warming on a political forum (I was going to buy beachfront property in Alaska and build a tropical resort) and was immediately assaulted by the lefties who accused me being a miserable, environment hating, Bushbot. God knows what would’ve happened if I’d drawn a cartoon mocking global warming. They probably would have rioted and issued a fatwa against me.Posted by Randal Robinson on 2006 05 02 at 04:33 PM • permalink
- Leftists suffer from terminal earnestness, a natural symptom of the delusion of being unassailably right about everything. When they can loosen up enough to (metaphorically) wear a lampshade and strum the ukelele, then they’ll stop being such insufferable smarm-bots. Wronwright’s insights on this are quite perceptive: leftists should take our stereotypes of them and run with them.
- Link wasn’t working for Dennis the Peasant . This should work.Posted by Pat Patterson on 2006 05 02 at 05:04 PM • permalink
- the sense of humour is no laughing matter, you should know! Only silly people who do not have the high intellect of enlightened leftists snigger and laugh ,pretending to enjoy themselves, bah!
What is funny anyway when BUSHITLER is destroying our planet and even those of us who have ten times his intellignce can do nothing to stop it!
Now Clinton, there was a leader, he knew how to conduct affairs of state whilst conducting affairs of state- he knew about multitasking.
And when he bombed that empty factory in Sudan! now that was funny! Even Monica laughed
- I’ve always been kinda partial to Jesus’ General, if only because it is pretty much the only lefty parody/satire blog I’ve ever encountered.
The contrast to standard lefty output is quite striking at this very moment, actually, because the author has invited a handful of generic leftoid automatons to guest-blog for the week, and the first three guest posts are some of the most dreary shit I’ve read all week. Incidentally, the blog owner describes these hand-picked bores as “Seriously, […] some of the best bloggers on the internets.” If that’s the Best of the Left, they might as well just go ahead and kill themselves already. Do it for the children, folks.
- Dennis The Peasant is an unabashed Republican. Some of his opinions may seem liberal, but he nicknamed his two dogs Ronald and Nancy Reagan, one of whom died recently. Dennis was grief stricken enough to blog about it. Imagine a leftie doing that.
Also, DtP has posted here more than once.
Sorry, disqualified for Tim’s challenge!
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 05 02 at 05:54 PM • permalink
Why can’t the left do the same, using the preconceived notions we on the right have of them? What notions would that be? Where does one begin? Fecklessness, weakness, emphasis on form rather than results, lack of responsibility, political correctness, preferance for transnational organizations, and so on.
They do that all the time. It’s not intended as satire; it’s what they really think.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 05 02 at 06:17 PM • permalink
- The_Real_JeffS
Dennis The Peasant is an unabashed Republican.
Someone linked to him here recently, and from what I saw, he seemed to spend an inordinate amount of time bashing certain “wingnut” bloggers, using the same tired accusations as the “progressives”.
I guess that’s how one impresses the opposition, being a “conservative who gets it”.
Or maybe he was just having a bad week.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 05 02 at 06:22 PM • permalink
- I was listening to ABC radio this morning and it could have been a lefy podcast, with Bill Shorten saying about Beaconsfield “It’s workers helping workers, and that’s pretty good”. No independently enaged consultants? Not humans helping humans?
A commentary from – possibly one of their stringers – managed to mention Bill Shorten a dozen times in a 60 second report – Bill Shorten says this, Bill Shorten says that.
I guess we can expect union heavies to pop up in front of the cameras whenever there is national coverage from now on – to bolster their profile, particularly when the main aim is to find a safe seat in the sinecurative senate, or anywhere.
Perhaps a TV series: Big Brother-ACTU Edition.
- What the???? You mean Margo’s isn’t MEANT to be funny???Posted by Oafish and Infantile on 2006 05 02 at 06:41 PM • permalink
- #31: Spiny, DtP’s site lacks a search function, so I can’t easily point you to the relevant posts. But I read him regularly, and he has stated that he is a Republican when directly asked. “Of the old school”, if I recall rightly.
Not “paleo-con”, but an example of an old fashioned gentleman: polite and mild mannered on the whole, but a cast iron son-of-a-b***h when necessary.
But the confusion is understandable. Still, read his Westville stories involving Karl Rove, Arnold Schwartzenegger, Cindy Sheehan, etc. Nope, his humor is as wronwright describes it in #13: parodying the left’s pre-conceived notions to the max.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 05 02 at 06:47 PM • permalink
- Oh, as to the bad week……he refers to himself as a Republican, but loathes the Republican party in its current form. Thus the “old school” reference.Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 05 02 at 06:48 PM • permalink
- The_Real_JeffS
But the confusion is understandable. Still, read his Westville stories involving Karl Rove, Arnold Schwartzenegger, Cindy Sheehan, etc. Nope, his humor is as wronwright describes it in #13: parodying the left’s pre-conceived notions to the max.
So his numerous smarmy references to Charles Johnson as “Roger Simon’s wife” are just satire?
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 05 02 at 07:04 PM • permalink
- Kaus is not a comedian but he’s witty.
http://www.kausfiles.com
Of course, he is not a wacko leftist and enjoys skewering the denizens of the leftoid-bubble-sphere.Posted by Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on 2006 05 02 at 07:13 PM • permalink
- An unequivical bonafide Leftist who’s genuinely funny, and not just “biting”?
Scarce as hen’s teeth, obviously.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 05 02 at 07:19 PM • permalink
- SP
I think he got shafted by Roger Simon and Charles Johnson. I can’t recall the detail but he was mighty pissed off about something or other.
I’ve met plenty of members of the Australian Liberal, UK Tory and US Republican parties who are total dickheads. That doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t vote for them…except the UK Tories, of course, who are being led by a complete and utter vote whoring tosspot.
- and while we are searching I ask that Mr Blair make soup from a stone. Bastard.Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 05 02 at 08:15 PM • permalink
our strict and unerring loyalty to Karl Rove.
parody and satire, eh? *sends quick text message*
Dennis the Peasant is on Typepad, which is down right now. I recommend his site when you can access it.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 05 02 at 08:18 PM • permalink
- As to an intentionally funny left site, well, I keep getting these e-mails from Pelosi and Kerry, do they count…
They’re what?! Are you <i>kidding me?!
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 05 02 at 08:19 PM • permalink
- ”, but loathes the Republican party in its current form.”
He is joining a rapidly growing club. I guess that I shouldn’t woof since I consider myself a conservative who votes Republican, rather than a member of the Republican party as such. In point of fact, the Republican party shows a far wider diversity of philosophy than the Dems could ever want or want to deal with. Just look at someone like Zell Miller or the current senate race in Conn.
- Sorry, Paco—I was in shock.Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 05 02 at 08:48 PM • permalink
- #32- I’ve been thinking the same thing- is the ACTU or the AWU funding the rescue operation and providing the equipment/logisitics/catering etc, or is it the mine management?
You’d think ol’ Bill was down the hole himself digging the poor buggers out by hand with a teaspoon going by the media coverage.
- Scoff at Shorten if you wish, but one gets the impression he could be the Labor Party’s next Mark Latham. Believe it.Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 05 02 at 09:17 PM • permalink
- #7 m –
I have had a looky at your linky, and although it contains numerous leftist rants, I suspect that it is particularly good satire, akin to Blame Bush!
Good satire is identified purely by the inability to identify it as satire.
Therefore, I am identifying it as satire, because it contains a level of humour in both the writers and the posters that is impossible for the LLL to achieve or sustain.
Sorry.
- Margos Maid
Nah, has actually had to deal with a (semi) functioning organisation. As far as I can tell hes had no baby eating moments so far. Latham was at least patialy deranged before he got the laeadership.
Shorten should be embarrased, if I were mine management Id tell him a “secret” which was plainly false and see how long it took before it hit the airwaves.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 05 02 at 09:32 PM • permalink
- The Left will never satirise the Right as adroitly as the Right satirises the Left. See below for a case in point.
And if the link doesn’t work… it’s Arianna Huffington’s fault!
Posted by blandwagon on 2006 05 02 at 09:35 PM • permalink
- #38—I think so…..although DtP has a certain, ummmmm, personal history with Simon and Johnson that is rather dark. He blogged about it…..I gather that you missed that?Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 05 02 at 09:36 PM • permalink
- murph
I think he got shafted by Roger Simon and Charles Johnson. I can’t recall the detail but he was mighty pissed off about something or other.
The_Real_JeffS
#38—I think so…..although DtP has a certain, ummmmm, personal history with Simon and Johnson that is rather dark. He blogged about it…..I gather that you missed that?
From what I gathered on his site, he stuck his thumb in their eye at the start of the PJ Media launch and was shown the door – and has been harping about it ever since.
Hmmm. I’m sure he has his reasons, but he just seems a bit too old and… well… male to be that catty.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 05 02 at 09:45 PM • permalink
- Shelley The Republican. This satirises the Far Right quite hilariously.
Found via The Stupid Shall Be Punished, who has a hilarious collection of staff quotes from CENTCOM.
Examples:
“Okay guys, there is WAY too much discussion about punctuation here today…PERIOD.”
COL to Lt Col (EUCOM)“I don’t know how much clearer I can be…(click)”
GS-15 (NATO) to Lt Col (EUCOM) in answer to a question about a tasker“My brain is so fried that I’m operating on stem alone…”
Lt Col (EUCOM)“There’s no value added in these comments.”
“We’re staff officers. We don’t add value. We add text.”
LCDR response to Lt Col (EUCOM) after review of a draft message“From the Russian point of view, the US being in Georgia is like the teenage boy who shows up to take your daughter out on a date. No matter what he says, you know what he’s got on his mind…”
CDR (DSCA)…and many others. Enjoy.
- How could you all miss the leg-wetting hilarity and endless japes, guffaws and giggles that is the John Howard Blog! It’s like a blog by John Howard, but it’s really written by a halfwit bimbo with as much of a sense of humour let alone any literary skill and idea of satire as a hydatid! You’d never guess- funnier than being stabbed in the eye with a sharpened pencil, really slowly, while you have a pair of Sennheiser headphones fed from a Cerwin Vega reciever/amp tuned to Radio National duct-taped to youd head and at the same time having your femurs gnawed on by stoats.
It’s really that good- pity it’s gone tits up, possibly due to the author discovering boys or Big Brother.
- The Iraq War Was Wrong Blog is, I am 99.5% sure, a pure parody, but just occasionally I wonder. Anyway, the “Proprieter” has been keeping up the joke without a wink for years now.
Remember, “A wrong war like during the Iraq war was cannot just be sitted idly by by.”
- Spiny Norman — You got that kinda backwards there in re Dennis, son, from my personal knowledge of the situation. Which is all I’m going to say online.Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 05 02 at 11:11 PM • permalink
- richard mcenroe
Spiny Norman — You got that kinda backwards there in re Dennis, son, from my personal knowledge of the situation. Which is all I’m going to say online.
Send me a line then. But I will say this online: his continued whinging and gossipy schoolgirl insults make him look like a snotty little child. I am not impressed in the least.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 05 02 at 11:45 PM • permalink
- Today’s challenge: identify an intentionally funny leftoid blog.
There’s just not very much to laugh about these days. I mean we’ve got two dictators (HoWARd and Chimpy McPretzelburton) rapidly turning our countries into fascist states that are already far worse than Nazi Germany, an illegal torture camp in Cuba (right next door to Castro’s utopia), the planet is being raped by big oil (100,000 species die everytime you blink – stop blinking dammit), we’ve invaded, threatened and used depleted uranium on peaceful, utopian sovereign states that have challenged the Zionist global order, global warming is killing polar bears, causing tidal waves, chicken pox and plague, global cooling is freezing umm plankton, people are buying too many consumer goods and are manifestly unhappy with their plasma screen and mcmansion-filled lives, artists are starving on subsistence level state funding (it’s getting so bad that one can’t even produce a jar of one’s own vomit on an Australia Council Grant), miners are dying underground (while raping the planet) because of John HoWARd and his capitalist cronies need them to feed the capitalist war machine, when he’s not drowning refugees the Defence Minister is shooting soldiers (evil warmongers that they are) in the head, any dissent to the neo-con world order is being brutally crushed by the new sedition laws, drunk racist neo-nazis are rampaging through the streets and picking on law-abiding muslim beach-goers and there’s a three month waiting list to buy a hybrid car.
How anyone can laugh at a time like this is beyond me.
Posted by ArtVandelay on 2006 05 03 at 12:17 AM • permalink
- #71 You forgot interest rates.Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 05 03 at 12:37 AM • permalink
- #72, I believe that all tittering will be punished by the Victorian Anti-defamation Tribunal.
#73, you’re right, this interest rate rise is the last nail in the coffin for capitalism. As an ‘astute’ letter-writer in yesterday’s Australian said, this is the Chinese century afterall.
I also forgot to mention that religious fanatics have insidiously blackmailed schools to teach so-called Intelligent Design in science classes which leaves much less time for teaching students the true faiths of Marxism and Global Warming (peace be upon Gaia’s name).
Stop laughing dammit!
Posted by ArtVandelay on 2006 05 03 at 01:19 AM • permalink
- ww: …and the American roles appear in accordance with British preconceived notions of Americans…
“Hey, YOU’RE the #$*&@*#$#&ing VULGARIAN!!!!!
Posted by zeppenwolf on 2006 05 03 at 02:31 AM • permalink
- Betty Bowers, “America’s Best Christian” ™ skewers left and right equally, ‘though not a blog. And is hilarious.
PS – Christians – warning – do not enter.
Is President Bush a Girly Man?
…Therefore, conservative Christians throughout the land have become increasingly uncomfortable as they dutifully mask each awkward pause with a flurry of polite applause and yells of “more wars!” during President Bush’s somewhat laborious attempts at speaking. While Tony Blair may have mastered the Queen’s English, our President’s vocabulary calls to mind any number of queens’ English. Even our least vigilant Republican social commandos have noticed that Mr Bush has been peppering his otherwise delightful litany of patriotic jingoism and pleasantly embroidered CIA-intelligence recaps with the effeminate mating call “fabulous”—three giddy syllables that are tantamount to coyly cooing, “Hello, sailor!”
Posted by walterplinge on 2006 05 03 at 06:31 AM • permalink
- PS – I should have added that I believe Betty Bowers is a male Australian now resident in the US. I emailed her once and her reply evinced a knowledge of local geography you don’t get on a three week vaction.Posted by walterplinge on 2006 05 03 at 06:33 AM • permalink
- #71 Good one Art.
Those conservatives also crush the religious freedom to make everyone follow only Islam, hack away at the right to freedom of speech to say that you will kill people for saying the wrong thing or drawing it, and they apparently oppose the asylum support groups who favour the kindly “define yourselves” approach, leading to the “open borders” approach – a guaranteed vote winner in Paddington until the new people move in next door.
- I force myself to visit and read a number of leftist blogs on a regular basis, so I don’t fall in to the ‘echo chamber trap of only visitng blogs wih whom I have a measure of agreement.
Yes, I’m taking one for the team here.
The result? Oh my, they are deadly dull, gruesomely earnest, lockstep-boring, and grimly humourless. Humour? You must be kidding. John Quiggin, with his desperately pitiable ‘look, the 101st Fighting keyboardists, who will be the first Australian blogger to sign up, nyuk, nyuk, nyuk’ is as close as they get. That effort of Quiggins was pathetic the first time (but at least he tried, even if it fell totally flat). He has repeated it twice more, and that counts for high lefty humour!
Cringingly, embarrassingly, bad.
Honestly and seriously, with Paco, Richard, the very funny Wronwright, and the rest, (and my own small efforts I suppose) we have more plain fun, and get more laughs, with the occasional ‘VRWC Henchmen and Minions of Lord Rove’ running gag than all of the 20 or so lefty sites I make myself visit and read weekly. And we are taking the piss out of ourselves! That is absolutely UNHEARD of on the lefty sites.
MarkL
Canberra
- Kaboom:
Good point, pure parody as a category distinct from “righty” and “lefty” humor. And also the tip to check the comments to identify the blogger’s political leanings. I was checking the blogrolls, but a pure parody writer could parodize those, so that’s out.
The other links suggested so far, except for the excellent but equal-opportunity, non-LLL Kaus: not “intentionally funny leftoid”–not “funny”–to me, anyway. Though, if the challenge were decreased to “identify a leftoid blog intended to be funny”. . . .
Nobody giving Iowahawk a run for his money.
- Several Points:
I’ve never called Charles Johnson “Roger Simon’s wife”. I’ve called Charles Johnson “Roger Simon’s poodle.” There is a difference. I know, because I’ve met both Charles Johnson and Sheryl Longin (Roger’s wife). Perhaps the confusion was generated by the fact that Roger Simon’s wife (not poodle…or Charles Johnson, for that matter) once compared me to a deranged New York serial rapist over at Roger’s site.
I am not a Lefty, and I don’t know how you could even get remotely close to considering me one. The last time I checked, hating Muslims and Latinos wasn’t a part of the Republican Party platform.
I may have been whiny and immature, but I know for a fact that I had Pajamas Media’s venture capitalists reading my site on a daily basis to see what Roger and Charles had screwed up… It may not have been pretty, but it was effective.
Posted by Dennis The Peasant on 2006 05 03 at 10:32 AM • permalink
I’ve never called Charles Johnson “Roger Simon’s wife”. I’ve called Charles Johnson “Roger Simon’s poodle.” There is a difference.
Very well then.
Hating radical Islam and decrying the bloodshed and suffering it inspires is not the same as “hating Muslims”. There is a difference.
Calling for something to be done about ILLEGAL immigration is not the same as “hating Latinos”. There is a difference.
I find it ironic that you call for Charles Johnson to be shunned and denounced as a “bigot” because of what other people post on an unmoderated forum and then he and his commenters are denounced as naïve appeasers and “Bushbots” at sites like Jihad Watch for believing that Islam can be reformed and Muslims can be civilized enough for democracy to succeed.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 05 03 at 01:20 PM • permalink
- 21 Paco
Wronwright’s insights on this are quite perceptive
That’s it. Now I have seen everything.
Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 05 03 at 02:42 PM • permalink
- Spiny Norman-
First, LGF is far from “unmoderated”. Poodle Chaz can delete and ban with the best of ‘em. In any event, what he chooses not to ban is telling…
Second, Chaz doesn’t know enough about Islam, radical or otherwise, to draw distinctions between the totalitarians who have co-opted the symbolism and language of Islam to justify a war of empire and ordinary, everyday Muslims. He has made no effort to educate or inform himself on any matter that doesn’t conform to his world view when it comes to Islam. Bottom line? He is, to a striking degree, ignorant of the basic facts of the religion and its history.
Third, I’ve talked to the man about it, and the bottom line is he considers the religion of Islam evil. Period. He told me so to my face. Poodle Chaz doesn’t believe Islam can be reformed… and he never has.
Defend him if you must, but just remember that I’ve spent time with the SOB. I sat around Roger Simon’s dinner table discussing Islam, Muslims and the Middle East with him. I know of what I speak.
Posted by Dennis The Peasant on 2006 05 03 at 03:11 PM • permalink
- As an ‘astute’ letter-writer in yesterday’s Australian said, this is the Chinese century afterall.
Just like the 20th was to be the Canadian century, as Mark Steyn is fond of quoting from some Canadian diplomacy bigshot from 106 years ago. Now that’s funny, albeit not intentionally, so it doesn’t qualify for this thread. (Besides, the guy is obviously dead now.)
#88 Poodle Chaz doesn’t believe Islam can be reformed… and he never has.—Dennis the Peasant
And you do?
Posted by wronwright on 2006 05 03 at 05:10 PM • permalink
- Denis
you obviously have not read enough about Islam to realise it CANNOT be reformed and indeed its own history should tell you that.
Charles J is correct in that opinion.
Secondly as terrorists like Massouie are the products of radical indoctrination by Islamic clerics, we therefore are fighting Islam far more than the murderous Zombies it produces. They are the effect, Islam is the cause.
Eliminating the effects will not stop the cause.
Until we recognise this and face the real enemy, we will merely be playing patch up.
As Bush has stated so often, that we are fighting the “war on terror”, he has veiled the real causes of this war to the eyes of the American public.
Jihad watch has tried to expose the real causes for all to see so that people will not let themselves be fooled by the pretence that Islam can become peaceful and embrace multiculturism. Perhaps soon politicians will be brave enough to admit what most of us have known since 911 at least, instead of retreating to the “war on terror’ euphemisms.
EVEN the most excellent and harrowing film FLIGHT 93 which i saw last night with freinds. A film devoid of plastic Hollywood faces,which is as honest as can be, even this film does not DARE to engage the religious motivations of the terrorist scum that commited the atrocity. There no is indication whatsoever from where these killers got their deadly inspiration.
- Oy.Posted by Dennis The Peasant on 2006 05 04 at 08:22 AM • permalink
- Not even going to condescend to argue your position?Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 05 04 at 08:46 AM • permalink
- Argue? Of course not.
Interesting choice of words on your part, though.
Posted by Dennis The Peasant on 2006 05 04 at 01:50 PM • permalink
…the bottom line is he considers the religion of Islam evil. Period. He told me so to my face.
Good for him.
I’ve seen little evidence in the world today to contradict that sentiment. Is there any real difference between that political ideology masquerading as a religion and the similarly totalitarian ideologies of Nazism, Stalinism and Maoism, that resulted in the deaths of well over 100 million in the last century?
So what’s your theory on why he supports the democratization of Iraq, Afghanistan and the the rest?
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 05 04 at 03:12 PM • permalink
- 90 et al
Can Islam be reformed?
Can lightning strike twice?
If you and I were aliens, landing on earth in Europe in the 1200s ~ 1500s, we’d have been arguing over whether Christianity could be reformed.
But eventually, it was.Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 05 04 at 03:55 PM • permalink
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