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Last updated on August 8th, 2017 at 02:17 pm

More support for the troops from the lovable Left.

Posted by Tim B. on 12/28/2006 at 11:36 PM
    1. Y’know, I keep hearing how YouTube is just another lame-ass Liberal shithole (I hear sentiments like this from Michelle Malkin, although not so plainly stated), but I never had any real reason to accept such “religious right” slander …

      … and then I saw this….  What is it about the Internet, from MySpace to (now) YouTube, that draws such wastes of oxygen to the forefront?

      (Back In The Day, when I was a young’un, and all there was wuz DARPANet, we didn’t have all these pitiful excuses for Humanity using the Computer networks….  Fume, fumph, harrumph, growl, cough, hack, spit….)

      Posted by Challeron on 2006 12 28 at 11:53 PM • permalink

 

    1. F*cking scum. There is no other way to describe it. And the worst part is, these are the people we are supposed to serve? Sorry for the language, but by f*ck they had better never say that crap around me. Of course they can make fun of a family who misses their son, brother, etc, behind the veil of gutless nics. Sanovar, or whatever it was, you are lucky that you will never meet me.
      But of course you wouldn’t, I’ll be in a war zone, and you will be safe and happy belittling a family who has tried to make a difference. You gutless c*unt.
      What is it with these people? Ugh, I’m too angry to comment any longer about this, I’m going to go and punch the bag for a while, picturing people of a certain stripe as the bag. Scum.

      Posted by 185600 on 2006 12 28 at 11:57 PM • permalink

 

    1. Oh, and please excuse the language, the kid, he swears a little bit. 🙂

      Posted by 185600 on 2006 12 29 at 12:00 AM • permalink

 

    1. What a little charmer she is, and smart enough to carry a tune (mostly) and remember all the words.  Her brother must be very proud.

      The kind of people who would make vile comments like that are the kind of people nobody really wants to know and who don’t really matter in the general scheme of things.  They’ll never accomplish anything, or be respected by anyone, and they know it.  So they throw dirt at little girls, because it’s the only thing they can do with any competence.  Screw them.  Life’s unlamented losers, I say.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 12 29 at 12:08 AM • permalink

 

    1. We’re just luck their peaceful, cos then we’d be facing a whitey black panther movement.  Well maybe not peaceful, just chickensh#t.

      Posted by spyder on 2006 12 29 at 12:10 AM • permalink

 

    1. “there’s a bit of an ‘ism’ on the left and it’s called ‘altruism’, which i think is very largely lacking on the right”

      – phatty phil on counterpoint

      Posted by eeniemeenie on 2006 12 29 at 12:11 AM • permalink

 

    1. Don’t we dare question their patriotism!

      Posted by Dave S. on 2006 12 29 at 12:15 AM • permalink

 

    1. I won’t question their patriotism but I will question their humanity. Attacking a 6 year old for wanting her brother home for Christmas, on Christmas Day is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

      That video would make anyone fight hard to hold back tears. I failed.

      Posted by Matthew Lawrence on 2006 12 29 at 12:20 AM • permalink

 

    1. Youtube encourages the SMS generation, completely incapable of structuring a complete sentence, to (At last) share their insight.

      E.g. “Fuck you LOL” or “OMG! Bush=hitler”

      Now, they can do it with video and there’s no need to even spell. For example, this movie gives us such brilliant political quips as angrily referring to “John the Fuckhead Bolton”. Comments posted to the film absolutely fawned adoration.

      Then have a read of some of the disgusting comments on this otherwise absolutely brilliant piece (A Jew’s letter to the world) which was posted as a reply.

      My only thought upon reading them was, if you are going to publish something like this, turn comments off before the collective intelligence of the world is reduced.

      On the upside, it appears our enemies aren’t that bright.

      Posted by Dan Lewis on 2006 12 29 at 12:25 AM • permalink

 

    1. By the way, the video calls Bolton far worse things, but I didn’t quote them here in the interests of good taste. Watch it for a useful lesson in The Other Side.

      Posted by Dan Lewis on 2006 12 29 at 12:31 AM • permalink

 

    1. Dan Lewis, some of our enemies are bright, bright enough to coordinate a huge attack on the US on 9/11, bright enough to promote civil war in Iraq, bright enough to kill almost 3000 US servicemen in Iraq. It would be a huge mistake to underestimate them.

      These dumb ones attacking 6 year olds on Christmas with hate comments we don’t have to worry about. They’re probably just teenagers wanting to rebel against something.

      Posted by Matthew Lawrence on 2006 12 29 at 12:31 AM • permalink

 

    1. #11 Matthew

      Noted and agreed. Indeed, even a braindead moron with a weapon can be dangerous. I was referring to the political Other Side. Their stupidity is the same reason they can’t see anything wrong with supporting those who would kill them, for example “Queers for Palestine”.

      What will happen now, is other blogs will pick up on Tim’s story and lay the boot into the Left. Members of the Left will then conclude the comment could only have been left there by a member of the Right looking to discredit them. I predicted it first…

      Posted by Dan Lewis on 2006 12 29 at 12:35 AM • permalink

 

    1. Idiots.  Heartless idiots, lowering themselves to scum, rung by deliberate rung.

      I hope that her brother comes home to hug his sister.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 12 29 at 12:39 AM • permalink

 

    1. #9 Dan Lewis

      Vile hateful shit like that gets cheered on YouTube, but Rusty Shackleford’s Rocket Ride gets banned???

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 12 29 at 12:50 AM • permalink

 

    1. I predicted it first…

      Too late, there’s a frothing moonbat at the Townhall post who made that claim within the first couple of comments there:

      Heather Martin has single-handedly stopped the Iraq War. This clip is so powerful and moving, and the words are from her perspective, she cannot be blasted for her love for her brother. Some online users have. If used right, this clip could be used to garner popular support to end the Iraq War, and with great success: any Bush supporter knows this and have aired their grievances with rage; the Left aren’t the only Internet users.

      He gets bonus points for the creative usage of the “absolute moral authority” hook.

      Posted by PW on 2006 12 29 at 12:54 AM • permalink

 

    1. I can understand not agreeing with foreign policy choices, or even not liking military types, but I have seen enough of this shit to last a lifetime.

      My daughter was sworn into the Minnesota National Guard today.

      About a month ago, one of her lifelong friends had this to say about her choice:

      you are stupid and i guess when you die at war… well at least we didnt loose an intelligent american who could do our country some good.

      They were raised together but now this fine example of American youth has a political science professor who says my daughter is a war mongerer and tool for George Bush. So, suddenly it is okay to fantasize about her death.

      My daughter just shrugged it off and figured poli-sci girl was never that good a friend anyways. It was all I could do to keep myself from driving over there and strangling her.

      Instead I will take solace in the notion that someday when poli-sci girl grows up, maybe, it is a statement that will come to haunt her, and I hope my daughter tells her to shove that apology right up her ass.

      Posted by Teaparty on 2006 12 29 at 12:58 AM • permalink

 

    1. Internet anonymity, whilst a wonderful thing, allows chickenshit knob-throttlers the means to say things that they would never have the guts to say in public.  At least never to the face of their intended targets.

      I’m afraid Western civilisation and good manners have been going downhill since duelling was abolished.  There would be a long queue of people wanting to slap this braveheart and call him out.

      Posted by mr creosote on 2006 12 29 at 01:04 AM • permalink

 

    1. I too have seen enough of this shit to last a lifetime.

      Look what else the moonbats are writing about this family.

      More on Martin family and Shaun

      [The lame anti-Bush video has been replaced by a video of my cat. The Management.]
      Posted by grate on 2006 12 29 at 01:07 AM • permalink

 

    1. #16 Teaparty: Good on your daughter, I had an obnoxious lefty cousin tell me something similar on Christmas day, (hence ‘had’). I don’t think our families are speaking to each other after I broke his jaw.
      Your daughter has made a moral choice, and that is that. The Poli-Sci girl has made hers. You cannot stop someone being what they are.
      Lefties always want to bag those of use who make the choice to join the military, but sure as hell want us when they’re threatened.
      All the best to the daughter, by the way. 🙂

      Posted by 185600 on 2006 12 29 at 01:09 AM • permalink

 

    1. Damn, that’s one persistent troll.

      Posted by PW on 2006 12 29 at 01:10 AM • permalink

 

    1. I’m sad to say I fell for grate’s youtube lil Bush link. Oh well, won’t make that mistake again.

      Posted by Matthew Lawrence on 2006 12 29 at 01:12 AM • permalink

 

    1. #18 Grate: Well, you chose your nic well, you gutless piece of crap. As a soldier, I am quite happy for you to email me more of your sh*t, just so I can ramp up my mates prior to us deploying in a few days. God, who are we fighting? Give you a hint, they wouldn’t like you much more than me, mate.
      And you still treat them like they’re friends whilst denigrating those who protect you? Get f*cked, you little twit.

      Posted by 185600 on 2006 12 29 at 01:19 AM • permalink

 

    1. God bless and protect Shaun so he can come home safely and give his little sister the biggest brotherly hug ever! Thanks to all the service men and women who are risking their lives to bring liberty and stability to ordinary Iraqis and Afghans.

      Posted by FaceLift on 2006 12 29 at 01:25 AM • permalink

 

    1. Damn, that’s one persistent troll.

      Must be reading this blog assiduously, just so s/he can lay those booby traps.

      But, in this case, laid by the booby, not for the booby.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 12 29 at 01:39 AM • permalink

 

    1. Just recieved on my email:
      “Who knows, you could get lucky on your deployment and become the 3000
      soldier killed in Iraq.
      Well here’s hoping anyway”
      From: grate321@yahoo.com.
      F*ck you, you spineless piece of sh*t. At least I can look at myself in the mirror in the morning, and not cry, you f*cking girl. Try joining up, and risking your life? Hah, not likely. How is the dole queue going anyway?
      I hope those fascists got your cheque to you on time?
      Email me some more, please, and why not use your real name, and email? Then, and this is the good part, if we are in the same f*cking state, I can drive over before I deploy, and we can have a chat?
      Knucklef*cker.

      Posted by 185600 on 2006 12 29 at 01:46 AM • permalink

 

    1. Attacking a little child? Those “anti-war activists” would have learnt that from Saddam.

      Posted by Contrail on 2006 12 29 at 01:48 AM • permalink

 

    1. #19 185600: Thanks for the sentiment, I will pass it along as well as the story about the jaw. She’ll like that plenty.

      Posted by Teaparty on 2006 12 29 at 01:50 AM • permalink

 

    1. Oh, and little Gratey, I know you are in Australia, and yes, I would love to remove a blight like you from my country.
      Ruins the view, and all.

      Posted by 185600 on 2006 12 29 at 01:51 AM • permalink

 

    1. #27 Teaparty: You’re welcome. I hope she does well. As for my cousin, well, what do you expect of a serial uni student?
      All the best mate. 🙂

      Posted by 185600 on 2006 12 29 at 01:56 AM • permalink

 

    1. Don’t feed the trolls, 185600.  These assholes live to provoke an emotional response.  It’s like they have no life of their own, and fill that voide by feeding off of other people’s anger.

      Emotional vampires at best, useful idiots most likely, and terrorist apologists/sympathizers at worst.

      Ignore the trolls, and enjoy your leave before deploying, brother.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 12 29 at 01:57 AM • permalink

 

    1. Speaking of ruining views and blights, I went to the same high school as Donna Mulhearn (a few years apart though). It’s amazing that two people can be educated at the same place and end up on opposite ends of the spectrum.

      Posted by Matthew Lawrence on 2006 12 29 at 01:59 AM • permalink

 

    1. #30 JeffS: You’re probably right, but to have someone email you to say: “I hope some Islamotard blows you up” is fairly annoying. Especially from some faceless little piece of sh*t from my own country.
      But yes, he’s probably doing 1000rpm knuckleshuffle on the pisspump right now because I replied, the little Knucklef*cker. 🙂

      Posted by 185600 on 2006 12 29 at 02:02 AM • permalink

 

    1. it really depresses me to see shit like that posted in response to the little girls cute video- she just wants her brother back safe for fucksake.

      these scum, and their mates like grate and are lower than a legless bandicoots bollocks

      i can’t imagine how demoralising this shit must be for our forces- to know they’re putting their lives on the line to defend the freedoms of wankrags like these

      but i guess that’s what theyre after. i hope the troops realise just how much they are appreciated by the ordinary civvie

      Posted by eeniemeenie on 2006 12 29 at 02:12 AM • permalink

 

    1. #33 Eeniemeenie: We know mate, that’s why we do it. But sometimes, I tell you, I feel like tomorrow’s headline will read: SOLDIER KILLS 38 AT ISLAMOTARD’S FRIENDSHIP CONFERENCE : USED HIS BARE HANDS, SAID WITNESS.
      I don’t really mind that they disagree with my views, but wishing me dead? F*ck!
      Grate can take his miniscule manhood and as many of his fellow travelers as he likes, and go and live in Iran.

      Posted by 185600 on 2006 12 29 at 02:19 AM • permalink

 

    1. It’s a pity that this war is being fought for cunts like these. But at the end of the day, these people are cowards. They will only say these things online and they use the internet because they cannot be identified and they do not want to stand up for their own words. It’s cowardice, pure and simple.

      Even if some people have forgotten, words like honour and valour and bravery still mean something to a lot of us – and those of you who do go out and fight on our behalf are heroes, and you can’t forget that most people think so.

      Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 12 29 at 02:37 AM • permalink

 

    1. The blogpost Tim linked to also had a link for the “Littles Moonbat”, a diatribe against christianity by an 8 year old tarted up and suggesting she be allowed to watch South Park and bleating that religion has killed more people than rap and video games.

      Of course, we all know that islam and communism have killed millions more than christianity and judaism, but that fact was conveniently ignored.

      I flagged it as hate speech. No doubt youtube/google will ignore it, but what the heck.

      Lefty child abuse?

      Feel free to add your flag to it.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 12 29 at 02:47 AM • permalink

 

    1. Anybody sometimes feel that mobilising for total war wouldn’t be a bad idea? You know, force people to clearly mark out which side they want to fight on.

      If nothing else, it’d certainly clarify the situation somewhat.

      Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 12 29 at 02:52 AM • permalink

 

    1. Ian, sometimes I do feel like a general mobilization is in order, mostly for that reason.  Drawing a line in the sand can be so defining, eh?

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 12 29 at 03:05 AM • permalink

 

    1. I keep telling everyone that the only way we can be assured of winning this war is to deal with the left first.

      Lines in the sand, full mobilization, and wholesale slaughter should deal with the left nicely.

      No more Mr Nice Psychotic

      Posted by Tiberius Alatheus on 2006 12 29 at 03:17 AM • permalink

 

    1. I didn’t really mean it so we could pick out the traitors and smack them ‘round a bit (although admittedly, that would be fun), but mostly because I think when it comes to the crunch, a lot of lefties would side with us.

      It’s perhaps as simple as them just not taking the threat seriously and feeling that they don’t need to worry about being (constantly) critical of the establishment.

      Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 12 29 at 03:24 AM • permalink

 

    1. Biting my tongue. Exercising restraint. I am trying.

      Posted by Grimmy on 2006 12 29 at 04:03 AM • permalink

 

    1. o/t

      Saddam has been hung.

      The Iraqi govt has just asked his relatives to come and get his stuff.

      Posted by murph on 2006 12 29 at 04:06 AM • permalink

 

    1. 185600, I recently had both testes removed (good job, I would have developed testicular cancer within a few years).

      Yet I still have far more of em than Grate. More Humanity too, even though I’m an Intersexed 48 year old woman.

      One more thing – Thanks. Give me a nice safe submarine any day rather than plodding around the bush, contact and ambush drill etc etc.

      Stay safe, don’t forget to duck, remember incoming fire has right of way, and if there’s anything I can get you or your mates from Oz when OS, let me know, OK?

      Posted by Zoe Brain on 2006 12 29 at 04:11 AM • permalink

 

    1. Grimmy:

      Speaking like Yoda you are. Bad sign it is.

      Posted by Patrick Chester on 2006 12 29 at 04:57 AM • permalink

 

    1. #32

      I’d say you are wrong on this one, 185600!

      I don’t reckon Grate’s doing the 1000rpm monkeyspank on his 2” pump at all. I reckon that’d be too difficult for the little nutman.

      I think his special friend Julian is doing the Electrolux on him, while cooing over Grate’s ‘heroism’.

      Hey Grate, make sure you give Julian a reachround later, eh?

      Andrea, you want to do the honours on this foul little troll?

      I also reckon Zoe’s absolutely right in her opinion, (#43) too. She’s got more genuine courage than Grate’ll ever have, as well as an intellect that troll will never hold a candle too.

      185600, you keep your wits about you over there. (Wish me a little luck in my cunning plan to get a tour this year.)

      MarkL
      Canberra

      Posted by MarkL on 2006 12 29 at 04:59 AM • permalink

 

    1. Talking about Youtube just got an update from Andrew Landeryou linking to a great Michael Moore spoof.  Watch him spoil everyone’s Christmas then get biffed up by Mrs Bush (Snr).

      Here.

      Posted by walterplinge on 2006 12 29 at 05:04 AM • permalink

 

    1. It’s waaaaaaay too early in the morning in Florida. I suspect that the troll knows this.

      Posted by Patrick Chester on 2006 12 29 at 05:05 AM • permalink

 

    1. These people really do define beneath contempt.  For all their alleged pacifism, if you put them behind a gun, in a combat zone, I’d bet good money on an illegal killing just waiting to happen.
      185600 I salute you.

      Posted by lotocoti on 2006 12 29 at 05:05 AM • permalink

 

    1. #s 37 & 40
      Ian, I agree that it would be great if there was some way it could be achieved. The difficulty is that the war that we are fighting is not aimed at a nation and therefore is seemingly not declarable.
      Can we mobilise without declaring war against another nation?
      Perhaps there is a way around this that allows mobilisation on a purely defensive basis. Bush declared war against terrorism, but we have been unable to convince the left that terrorism is a valid threat.
      A moonbat in-law relative, who was born at the end of WWII, cannot be convinced that he is aiding the enemy when he attacks our military forces with anti-war posters, etc. Like all lefties, he claims to be on our side and also claims that he can be on our side without supporting the war.
      So, what would be a capital offence of treason during WWII, is now not a crime; just someone exercising their freedom to protest.
      National Service Training might be a start but it’s dynamite in today’s political climate.

      Have you got any ideas that we might develop?

      Posted by Skeeter on 2006 12 29 at 05:08 AM • permalink

 

    1. These leftards amount to nothing more than boils on the backside of humanity.Anyone seen the lance?
      The reeally B-I-G lance?

      185600: All the very best to you and all of your mates. Hope we hear from you while you’re “over there”. If not, I look forward to your posts when you get back.

      Posted by SandiM on 2006 12 29 at 05:12 AM • permalink

 

    1. Skeeter, I’m all for bringing back nasho.

      I also believe that the time is coming when the line in the sand is set in concrete, and once you are on one side, there is no going back.

      Then, of course, it’s a question of how we deal with the traitors on the other side.

      I’ll be happy to pour the milk of human kindess over them, hell, I’ll drown them in it even, after the main threat is eradicated.

      Grimmy, sir, love your work over at the Stuck Mojo forums.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 12 29 at 05:15 AM • permalink

 

    1. In the interests of fairness I think it only just to hope the commenters wishing the girls brother dead, 185600’s special emailer and the thousands of other “peace” activists die from cancer of the arse.
      Fairs, fair after all.

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 12 29 at 05:17 AM • permalink

 

    1. #42 Murph, got any links? I can’t find any, and no newsbreaks here on the teev.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 12 29 at 05:19 AM • permalink

 

    1. Frollicking, when I was a kid, one of our favourite curses was: I hope the hairs on your arse turn into fishhooks and rip your guts out.

      That one works for me.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 12 29 at 05:21 AM • permalink

 

    1. #53, his first statement is premature, but the second one is on Yahoo news.

      Yahoo Iraq News

      Posted by Matthew Lawrence on 2006 12 29 at 05:29 AM • permalink

 

    1. Now I have just received this sh*t:

      “Poor little boy,

      soon to be dodging bombs. You make such strong threats online but lets be
      honest, you don’t have the balls to back them up.

      I’ll tell you what, I live at 5 Howley St, Five Dock 2046. I’m not concerned
      about telling you that because you’re all piss and wind.

      Have a fun time in the Middle East, maybe you’ll make the news when your
      corpse is returned in a thousand little pieces. They’ll even probably have
      your mum and girlfriend on the news crying over their loss. Should make good
      viewing you wanker.”

      Well, it isn’t his address probably, but I think I might go for a drive tomorrow.
      F*cking little man, don’t ever question my courage when all you can do is send me crap like that, and actually, she is now my fiance, you see, she sees a future with me, not that you would know what a future was, you gutless little Knucklef*cker. And just so you know, I am part of the vast hidden plan to take away your freedom, honest, I really am.
      See you soon, I don’t f*cking think.
      So, like all lefties, this gutless piece of crap likes to tell me how dead I’ll be?
      Not game to email me with his real name, or anything like that though, that would be a little too much like courage, I guess.

      Posted by 185600 on 2006 12 29 at 05:31 AM • permalink

 

    1. #48, lotocoti:

      Here’s something that was linked to at No Pasaran that serves to remind us that this is nothing new.

      Failures of Nerve by Roger Kimball

      He reminds us that those who hide behind the banners of pacifism and anti-warism are neither pacifist nor against war. They are against their own side in that war and fly false flags to confuse and promote their disinformation and deceits.

      #51, Nilknarf:

      Thanks, but I often wonder if I do more harm than good. I recognize that I do not have the temperment to conduct “debate” with those who represent the aims and goals of my enemy.

      I honestly resent having to permit them another day of life.

      I do wish folk more capable of this sort of action would take over and take the lead.

      Posted by Grimmy on 2006 12 29 at 05:33 AM • permalink

 

    1. ABCs reporting saddam will swing on 26/1
      a very happy australia day to us all 🙂

      Posted by eeniemeenie on 2006 12 29 at 05:34 AM • permalink

 

    1. #56, 185600:

      I would caution you against such an effort, but honestly…. my heart wouldn’t be in it.

      So, instead I’ll be more “philosophical” and remind you of an reinterpretation of the old tree falls in forest cliché.

      It goes something like this:

      If you bury a traitor in a shallow grave and no one witness’ it, was a crime committed?

      Not that I’d suggest such a thing of course.

      Posted by Grimmy on 2006 12 29 at 05:40 AM • permalink

 

    1. 343 Zoe: I have followed your story mate, and thank you, but I would rather have tracer falling around me than go through the transformation that you have. Not because it’s a bad thing, but mate, that is courage, not something certain lurkers who post here have. And as a matter of fact, you can help, how’s about coming up with a ray gun to make morons sane? Please. 🙂

      Posted by 185600 on 2006 12 29 at 05:41 AM • permalink

 

    1. Yes. Yes.

      Maybe too early.

      My mistake.

      Posted by murph on 2006 12 29 at 05:43 AM • permalink

 

    1. Yikes! That should have been #43.

      Posted by 185600 on 2006 12 29 at 05:44 AM • permalink

 

    1. #45 Mark L: Yes, you are probably right, he would be getting a little ‘help’ from a friend. Still, old crab, he has probably never served, nor would he ever. Good luck getting to the MEAO, by the way. 🙂

      Posted by 185600 on 2006 12 29 at 05:52 AM • permalink

 

    1. #49 – I doubt that a non-offensive mobilisation would bear much fruit: it simply doesn’t force people to make a choice about who they will fight for. It might make a lot of people think about their choices, but it’s too high a price for that. An offensive mobilisation would require a proper war – I suppose we could send in a hundred thousand newly-trained troops into Iraq, but this is clearly not a realistic scenario.

      To force people to choose would require more attacks, the point would really have to be driven home. I think that is the only thing that would do it – and I pray to God that it never does.

      As the situation stands, I think that we are able to cope with the (rather high) level of dissent and still fight this war. However, an escalation in the force being used against us (ie, if Western interests were beseiged in another theater) could push the balance if the level of dissent remained constant. But that presumes al-Qaeda and her allies could sustain a campaign in a third country – I don’t necessarily believe this would be possible.

      If it were to occur, I would suggest that the next sustained theatre of action would be either African or potentially (and worryingly for Australia) Asian. If an Asian theatre were to emerge, I have no doubt that a ‘for us or against us’ choice would be forced on the local left – but frankly, I’d prefer that we didn’t have to experience that situation.

      Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 12 29 at 06:02 AM • permalink

 

    1. #57
      Thanks for the link, Grimmy. They are little people.  Even when they’re being herded onto the cattle-trucks they’ve facilitated, they still won’t be wrong.

      Posted by lotocoti on 2006 12 29 at 06:02 AM • permalink

 

    1. #50 SandiM: I will try, if the ‘Geekstapo’ let me. 🙂 Thanks, and stay safe next year mate.

      Posted by 185600 on 2006 12 29 at 06:05 AM • permalink

 

    1. PS – CIA World Factbook estimates Australian manpower (fit for military service; male and female) to be approximately 8million.

      Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 12 29 at 06:07 AM • permalink

 

    1. #59 Grimmy: Dirty Harriet has already told me not to do anything rash. Guess she’s right, but damn, I like your idea more. 🙂

      Posted by 185600 on 2006 12 29 at 06:16 AM • permalink

 

    1. #57 Grimmy, remember that if you repeat something often enough it comes to be seen as the truth. Hence the plastic turkey idiocy.

      In this case, it’s a matter of speaking the truth in many different ways. I may be a bit more diplomatic at times in my dealings with the moonbats, but I also don’t have your gravitas or experience with the subject matter.

      It’s something we all work at in our own ways – you with your rants, me with my nagging, and 185 and the other troops on the ground or heading into action.

      As you say, it’s 4G warfare, and we use what we’ve got in any way we can.

      And I mean rants in a positive manner. You are forceful and forthright, but the time for prevarication is past, and we need more like you on the cyberlines.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 12 29 at 06:36 AM • permalink

 

    1. Skeeter, I’m all for bringing back nasho.

      Good in theory but in practice the defence forces hate it.  They get lumbered with a bunch of involuntary recruits, a good proportion of which are unmotivated and with a bad attitude, and who will not improve through military training and discipline. A lot of Julian Knights.

      An all-volunteer army is much to be preferred – motivated, keen and can take discipline.

      Posted by walterplinge on 2006 12 29 at 06:38 AM • permalink

 

    1. #69 Nilk: Are you married? Cause if this thing with Dirty Harriet doesn’t work out, um, well. 🙂

      Posted by 185600 on 2006 12 29 at 06:45 AM • permalink

 

    1. #69 – I don’t know if the ‘cyberlines’ is really a valuable place for talent to be deployed. I mean, I can see how it is a battlefield but does it matter if we win or lose there?

      Certainly, the blogosphere impacts upon the morale of those involved with it, but the impact of a Hellfire up the arse of a terrorist carries a thousand times greater impact than any nobody of posts on the web.

      Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 12 29 at 06:55 AM • permalink

 

    1. *Number, not nobody

      Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 12 29 at 06:56 AM • permalink

 

    1. #71 185, there is a bit of a queue at the moment, but you are more than welcome to join it. Thank you for the compliment. I wouldn’t worry about Dirty Harriet, though, she sounds something special.

      #72 Ian, if you look at the DOS attacks on anti-jihadi sites, then there is a definite need for more activity in this sphere.

      Sure, we’re only bloggers, but we all interact in meatspace, too, and we have so many opportunities to talk to people and point them in directions that can help awaken them to the real world.

      I direct people to JihadWatch and Gates of Vienna, or LGF, depending on the person.

      GoV is particularly good for a Eurocentric view, and it is g-rated as a number of homeschooling sites direct students there for enlightenment.

      I also direct lefty friends to Michael Yon or Iraq the Model for info from the horses mouth.

      People are unaware of what is going on. They know something is happening, they can feel the undercurrents, but they can’t pin point exactly.

      When you can tell them definitively that yes, they are right, and this is why they feel disenfranchised or discriminated against, it gives them the courage to look deeper into what’s going on.

      That’s my $4.50 anyway.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 12 29 at 07:08 AM • permalink

 

    1. #69 – you don’t have to take a drive tomorrow.  I can walk to 5 Howley St in about 5 minutes.  One of my favourite local pizza places is just around the corner from his place.

      Did they give a name?  I might just knock on the door with my camera in one hand and ask for whoever he is and we can all have a gander at what he looks like.  I’m too old and slow to indulge in fisticuffs, but I can at least try for a mugshot.

      If no one answers, I can just slip a copy of the email under the door to show that old piss and his mate wind paid a visit.

      Posted by mr creosote on 2006 12 29 at 07:12 AM • permalink

 

    1. 185600,

      I admire you and all your compatriots, since you are real men and I am nothing but a little puddle of piss in a gutter.

      [This comment had been slightly altered for clarity by The Management.]
      Posted by The_Real_Jeff8 on 2006 12 29 at 07:13 AM • permalink

 

    1. Re: #37 et al.

      Honestly, I think the “best way” to mobilize the non-demented parts of the Left would be a 9/11-level terrorist attack happening under the watch of a relatively sane Democratic President. Instapundit has that running semi-joke about “Hillary Clinton, the most uncompromising wartime President in history”, and frankly, I think that’s probably the only scenario (short of nuclear bombs falling on American cities) in which the Left at large would get off its pampered ass and face reality.

      Posted by PW on 2006 12 29 at 07:17 AM • permalink

 

    1. Today I heard the BBC and mini-me ABC both say something along these lines:
      “The Islamic Courts Union had imposed order in Somalia for the first time in many years.” They seemed to be lamenting the Ethiopian push to oust the Islamics.
      Great. Here we have the MSM left, not even the moonbat fringe, saying that the imposition of Sharia Law might be a good thing. Is that, therefore, an endorsement of capital punishment? For that is what it often takes to impose order on rabbles of the sort encountered in the Horn of Africa, and in the muddled Middle-East.
      If they had trains, would the BBC/ABC have said that the Islamic Courts Union made them run on time?
      Do the BBC and ABC support the imposition of Sharia Law in any lawless state? Have they become just a front for “anyone but the Howard/Bush brigades” everywhere? I know the BBC has worldwide aspirations and wants to be the friend to all the world – not a position to adopt if you want to be truly on the side of good.
      We know the Wahhabists and the Shia both have expansionist aims – our media are their friends. African states which were first destabilised by communism are becoming prey for creeping rampaging islamists.

      Posted by blogstrop on 2006 12 29 at 07:18 AM • permalink

 

    1. Was just reading this news article and I thank the good lord that we don’t have a democrat president. Can you imagine what would happen if Clinton had got us into this. We’d never get out.

      Thank God for George W Bush

      Posted by The_Real_Jeff8 on 2006 12 29 at 07:23 AM • permalink

 

    1. # 70, walterplinge you are no doubt right.
      When I did my Nasho in the 1950s, I enjoyed it so much I signed up for the PAF. But attitudes and young people have changed since then.
      What do you think of Brendan Nelson’s plan for volunteers to try military service for a year after high school?

      Posted by Skeeter on 2006 12 29 at 07:24 AM • permalink

 

    1. Becoming, blogstrop? I thought they had already become prey.

      I like the irony in their bleating against Saddam’s hanging and their support for sharia.

      Well, hello, Aunty, who executes more people than the Americans? What was that?
      The Chinese? And who else? Speak up, please, dear, I can’t hear you and neither can the audience…ahhhh, that’s right… the jihadis.

      In Iraq, in Iran, in Saudi, in Sudan, in Somalia, in Egypt and Nigeria… ad nauseum ad infinitum.

      Bloody nufnufs.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 12 29 at 07:25 AM • permalink

 

    1. Blogspot – the enemy of my enemy is my friend is the mindset of the Left. The job is to convince them that the enemy of my enemy is my enemy.

      Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 12 29 at 07:26 AM • permalink

 

    1. Just a hello and good-bye for tonight.

      #56, 185600, that little puff of flatus is simply relying on the fact that he’s not worth your effort. Can’t stop the stench of cowardice wafting through his veil of bluster.

      Posted by Dminor on 2006 12 29 at 07:26 AM • permalink

 

    1. #78.  I think the ABC/BBC have been watching too many movies where a well respected holy man comes to town and all the baddies stop feuding and lay down their guns/swords/laser pistols out of respect for his awesome learnedness, holiness and spiritualness.  Either that, or they’ve been to parties in Hollywood where the Dalia Lama has turned up and everyone has stopped yelling bullshit at each other and snorting coke and gone quiet.

      Bollocks.

      I suspect that the Islamic Courts simply apply the same technique that was used by the Gestapo, the NKVD (Stalin), Pol Pot and Saddam to such great effect – complete and utter terror applied with total ruthlessness.

      They think that because the Courts are “religious”, they must behave like the Pope. Calm, regal, holy, learned, pasifist, forgiving etc etc.

      Ha ha.  More like the Spanish Inquisition if you ask me.

      No one expects the Spanish Inquisition…”

      Posted by mr creosote on 2006 12 29 at 07:28 AM • permalink

 

    1. #79

      now the grate wanker is assuming the identity of ‘the real jeffs’ – more of his crap at that link- pathetic pindicked wanker

      Posted by eeniemeenie on 2006 12 29 at 07:28 AM • permalink

 

    1. sorry folks- i owe the swear jar some serious cash today- bad side of bed this morning obviously

      Posted by eeniemeenie on 2006 12 29 at 07:32 AM • permalink

 

    1. Folks, I’m awake, the troll has been banned, I’m replacing all the links to his “video” with one of my cat. And now I think that’s all the attention the little turd (the troll, not my cat) needs.

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 12 29 at 07:41 AM • permalink

 

    1. National Service gets a bad rap because a few useless twits who could write had a bad time in boot camp.  Boo hoo.  Those that didn’t like it got published.  That’s that liked it just shut up and got on with their lives.

      Personally, I’m for a volunteer force, but I don’t think that conscripting nasho’s is a total loss.

      Take my peer group.  Of my close friends from Uni and school, one ended up at Duntroon, another at ADFA and I became a chocko.  A lot of my friends were interested in joining the Reserves as well, but couldn’t be buggered going through the recruitment process.  They prefered to get pissed on Friday night rather than turn out for a weekend in the shrubbery.  Typical 18 year olds.

      They all would have made better soldiers than me, for I was a pretty poor specimen in many ways.  If someone had handed them a ticket and told them to report, they would have served with gusto and no complaints.  It was just bloody hard to get them interested during peacetime when the ARES was dirt poor and there was little chance of going anywhere and doing anything.  In 7 years, I went nowhere, did nothing and didn’t even get a T-shirt.

      (My definition of embarasment is having to do an attack in front of observers with no blanks for the M-60, having to yell out “bang-bang-bang” because there was no money for ammo.  That’s how fucked things could be).

      In other words, people just needed a boot up the arse to serve a term.  I think there are a lot of people who are willing to put in a few years, but they just need to be tipped over the edge.  It’s a big, big step, and whilst many would like to serve, many also find it very hard to commit.

      The peer pressure hurts as well.  When you’re at Uni like I was, and you’re thinking of signing up for a regular hitch and everyone else is getting good money as an entry level bean counter, it’s hard to fight against the herd.  If the herd get conscripted, well that takes care of that problem.  Peer pressure can cut both ways.

      The unwilling just need to be weeded out in the first week and sent home with a white feather.

      Posted by mr creosote on 2006 12 29 at 07:48 AM • permalink

 

    1. Hi Andrea,

      I simply adore you and would bear your children if my shrivelled gonads worked. Signed, a fake, sad lesbian who wishes she were a mannekin like Michael Jackson.

      [Troll comments have been altered… slightly, for clarity. The Management.]
      Posted by The_Real_Jeff8 on 2006 12 29 at 07:50 AM • permalink

 

    1. Damn I got banned AGAIN

      [Yup. The Management.]
      Posted by The_Real_Jeff8 on 2006 12 29 at 07:51 AM • permalink

 

    1. I never quite get over the lack of civility emanating from the left.

      Godspeed to all on their way to the Mideast sandbox.  My little brother, a career Navy demolitions expert, got back the 23d from his tour where he whiled away the time disarming IEDs.  Best. Christmas. Present. Ever.

      The wife and I are coming to Sydney the middle of next month.  Any suggestions on what to see or what not to see?  Looking forward to meeting up with the Blairites and Howardites of this fair globe.

      Posted by SSG Pooh on 2006 12 29 at 07:51 AM • permalink

 

    1. #91.  Climb the Harbour Bridge.  Heights scare me silly, but I loved it.

      Posted by mr creosote on 2006 12 29 at 07:55 AM • permalink

 

    1. #91 – I can definitely recommend you go into the city, have lunch at the Bennelong restaurant inside the Opera House and spend the afternoon in the Botanic Gardens (breathtaking views of the Harbour). If possible, see something performed at the Opera House or at the Conservatorium (inside the Gardens). Probably not the cheapest way to spend a summer afternoon, but I haven’t found a better way!

      Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 12 29 at 07:55 AM • permalink

 

    1. Folks, in light of heightened troll activity I have turned off new user registration until I get home from work today. (I realize it’s already Friday night over on the Australian side of the planet which is probably why there is extra pathetic, lonely, no-date-tonight troll spew here. But it’s still morning on my side.)

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 12 29 at 07:58 AM • permalink

 

    1. thats one mean looking cat youve got there andrea (at #79)- what breed would that be?

      Posted by eeniemeenie on 2006 12 29 at 08:03 AM • permalink

 

    1. #76 JeffS: Ta mate,but considering she has the Furry Weapon of Mass Destruction with her, I have no fear. That and the fact thA

      Posted by 185600 on 2006 12 29 at 08:21 AM • permalink

 

    1. #91 – the best feature of Sydney is the harbour.  So apart from climbing the harbour bridge, anything to do with the harbour is good.  That includes walking around part of it or taking a ferry across it.  If you don’t want to climb the bridge, you can walk over it on the eastern side.

      I’d rather have a plague of boils than take a harbour cruise – the ferries are much better.  Take one to Manly or to Taronga Zoo.  Manly is a plague of boils, but the ferry ride is nice.

      Bondi is nice, if you avoid the tourist rubbish zone in the middle.  I prefer the far northern end of the beach.  That means putting up with loud South Africans, but it beats drunken English yobs.  The water this morning was lovely.  There is a good walk along the cliff tops between Bondi and Tamarama (the next beach to the south).

      You can also buy a copy of the Daily Telegraph and read Tim Blair on paper.

      Posted by mr creosote on 2006 12 29 at 08:26 AM • permalink

 

    1. Teaparty, Best wishes and godspeed to your daughter. We’ll remember her in our prayers.

      My son, the Iraq vet, was home for Christmas. That wave of happiness you felt eminating from Midwest USA was us.

      I must admit that despite some serious moonbattery in my family, I’ve never had to deal with anything like what you or 185600 describe: my left-wing relatives are sane enough to separate the political from the personal. We can still talk to each other – though sometimes I’m driving my nails into my palms as I do so. But I’ve heard nothing but best wishes for a safe and speedy return. So not all the left is bat-shit crazy.

      Posted by Urbs in Horto on 2006 12 29 at 08:34 AM • permalink

 

    1. #91 You could also visit 5 Howley St, Five Dock. See comment #56 for details.

      Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 12 29 at 08:37 AM • permalink

 

    1. #96:

      That post #76 was from the imposter troll you’ve had email contact with, not the (errm) real RealJeffS.

      Posted by PW on 2006 12 29 at 08:37 AM • permalink

 

    1. If you look carefully, the imposter troll’s ID was “The_Real_Jeff8” which must have strained it’s tiny overheated head thinking that one up.

      Posted by Patrick Chester on 2006 12 29 at 08:48 AM • permalink

 


    1. Argh… I broke the italics. O_o;;

      Posted by Patrick Chester on 2006 12 29 at 08:49 AM • permalink

 

    1. When will these people learn NOT to piss off Andrea.

      Posted by El Cid on 2006 12 29 at 08:51 AM • permalink

 

    1. #2 185600 says it all. I have nothing to add.

      Except to point out that I wouldn’t piss on the chest of one of these vermin if his heart was on fire.

      Posted by paco on 2006 12 29 at 09:09 AM • permalink

 

    1. #72, Ian Deans:

      I would like to offer this as counter to your suggestion, it is from Belmont Club.
      Blogosphere at war.

      I would also consider some research in the hearts and minds aspects of war-fighting. Not simply the new modernized approach of the “softly softly catchee monkee” practice of today of modifying our own tactics in order to not offend our enemy, but the tradition of hearts and minds issues during war.

      It is about keeping a people on task and focused on the objective of winning. This has become harder and harder over the decades for more than a few reasons but now, with the improvements of communications and the hearts and minds campaign is being fought in every single living-room with TV, radio and/or internet access.

      Many fall to the trendiness of betrayal because the enemy is very adept at working at the emotional level and bypassing reason and the message promoted by the enemy has become so ubiquitous and constant that a moments lack of attention or a fatigue induced withdrawal lends itself to enemy gains.

      Jingoism is often ridiculed by the “intellectualists” but it does serve a very serious purpose and always has. When tired, weary and worn by the constancy of wading through the constant deceit and dishonesty of the enemy propaganda, very simple, very linear and very easily recited “baselines” work to help a man hold his ground in the battle against submitting to an enemy by simply giving up the fight.

      Our enemy counts on us becoming confused and dispirited. Works to cause us to become divided and separated. Strives to reduce our will to resist.
      The fight for the “info-sphere” is, indeed, a desperately fought battleground and one we are loosing by most measures.

      Many blame our heads of state for this constant forced retreat on the info-front but in reality all blame lies with our news media. It is their traditional responsibility to assist their fellow countrymen in keeping themselves motivated and able to stand the line against the enemy. Unfortunately, much, if not most, of our news media has gone over to the enemy’s side since the stunning victory of the deceivers in the ‘70s.

      Posted by Grimmy on 2006 12 29 at 09:10 AM • permalink

 

    1. Back to the “I hope your brother dies” thread, my husband was a Vietnam conscript in 1966. While he was there his family care packages were routinely burgled by the maritime unions, the postal unions and the “public service” unions at the Defence Dept. The contents were thieved and notes left in place telling him he deserved to die, there was a bullet with his name on it, they knew where his family lived and would destroy their lives…etc, etc. This to a 20yo young man away from home for the first time, at war in a foreign country he hadn’t even heard of the year previously.

      This is typical behaviour of the left. They don’t understand, however, that once you’re in the “band of brothers,” conscript or regular, if you serve together in combat you’re in and you never leave.

      We have many friends with sons (and daughters) either serving in the mid-East, recently returned or about to go. Hopefully God goes with them.

      Posted by mareeS on 2006 12 29 at 09:15 AM • permalink

 

    1. #105 – I think that there is indeed a war of ideas and that work needs to be done to ensure that we aren’t drowned out. But I think the debates online are largely preaching to the converted – the blogosphere is fantastic for debate and argument, but are minds being changed? I don’t think so.

      I think it’s very easy to categorise the blogosphere as a new battlefield or theatre of war, but it’s a mistake to assume that we must ‘win’ it – if we win the ground war, the blogosphere will quickly fall silent.

      I also think that those who have an open mind and are bouncing around these political sites aren’t going to be convinced by “I hope her brother dies” or any of the other ridiculous shit you read. And frankly, if they are dumb enough to be convinced by it, then I think I’d prefer for them not to be on my side.

      Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 12 29 at 09:19 AM • permalink

 

    1. (And I do recognise the irony of arguing online that arguing online is futile!)

      Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 12 29 at 09:20 AM • permalink

 

    1. A problem confronting us that most folk still haven’t glommed onto is that we are fighting an enemy that still practices feudal warfare.

      In the days when cities, provinces and nations were ruled, often, by known and hated despots, the citizenry of those cities, provinces and nations would still fight against an enemy. This was because it was the tradition and practice of a victorious enemy to punish the entire population. Giving a conquered city or area over to their soldiers for sacking, gang rape, slaughter and all manner of horror and indignity was part of the payment rendered to a victorious army.

      We, as civilization developed, moved away from this practice. We have ourselves convinced that a civil population is separated from the punishments of war and only soldiers much concern themselves with such problems as fighting against an implacable and aggressive enemy. War is someone else’s problem. It is something that happens far away and does not concern us as civilians. If we lose, we wont even notice much difference.

      That is no longer so. This enemy we face practices the traditions common during the feudal ages and everyone stands to suffer grievously if defeated.

      This war concerns every living man woman and child and winning or losing is the only relevant issue of our current time.

      Those who stand with the deceivers, for what ever reason, add to the risk of everyone you know and hold dear being subjected to a victorious army bent on rape, pillage and slaughter.

      These betrayers are, in fact, as much a danger to you as are the jihadi themselves.

      Posted by Grimmy on 2006 12 29 at 09:24 AM • permalink

 

    1. #56: Don’t waste your time going to that address, 185600. You gotta know that the little weasel won’t be there.

      Posted by paco on 2006 12 29 at 09:27 AM • permalink

 

    1. Ian Dean:

      I suggest to you that you are operating under a constrained and limited view of what battle for the info-space means.

      Right now, we have soldiers in Iraq that are forbidden to fire on anyone unless they are first fired upon. This is because of the enemy dominance of the info space and their ability to spin their deceits with a free hand and reach in and influence our own citizens to rebel against their own side of the fight.

      That is just one really simple and obvious example.

      We have Marines sitting in prison, some were kept in chains, because a known insurgent sympathizer manufactured a sloppy piece of agitprop after a battle and got that agitprop shopped around by a fellow traveler that happened to be a journalist. This was a victory for the enemy in the battle for the info-sphere. Our soldiers are voicing more and more often that they are more afraid of irrational and enemy propaganda generated prosecution from our own citizens than they are of those who shoot at them on the streets every day. This is us loosing the info-space battle.

      Abu Griab was another example. As is Gitmo.

      This has nothing to do with debate. Debate is only relevant when neither side really has anything of worth invested in a win or loss or the facts of an issue are in dispute and both sides work from a similar level of honor, truthfulness and integrity.

      This is about war of wills. This is about shutting them down, shutting them up and refusing them the option to reach in and fuck with our own peoples minds and motivations. This is about being merciless and brutal in repressing those that work to deceive, disillusion, demotivate and demoralize our own people.

      This is about fighting back and shutting the bastards down so that our own soldiers can fight with a goal of winning, rather than of simply surviving the betrayal of their own.

      Posted by Grimmy on 2006 12 29 at 09:34 AM • permalink

 

    1. I’ve altered the troll’s comment #76 as well. That one passed me by. Okay, back to work before my boss gets back.

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 12 29 at 09:40 AM • permalink

 

    1. #111 – I certainly agree with your sentiments, but I’m only talking about the internet itself here – I think that if we try to combat every lunatic’s smart-arsed remark (like the one that fired up this thread) then you cannot possibly win. And, while the people who write this kind of thing are total scum, I think it’s best to leave it alone.

      Sure, we could waste our time and our energy fighting it all – but ultimately, I don’t think we would gain anything.

      Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 12 29 at 09:50 AM • permalink

 

    1. To add to what Grimmy penned…

      These betrayers are, in fact, as much a danger to you as are the jihadi themselves.

      For the fact that “these betrayers” and collaborators use the freedoms that have been bestowed upon them, as well as the civilized, to strike down those same freedoms.

      The vile Left has yet to learn that ‘they’ will not be a privileged group, ‘they’ will not be the last to be eaten, ‘they’ will be the first.

      Posted by El Cid on 2006 12 29 at 09:53 AM • permalink

 

    1. #87 Andrea –

      Folks, I’m awake, the troll has been banned, I’m replacing all the links to his “video” with one of my cat. And now I think that’s all the attention the little turd (the troll, not my cat) needs.

      People, don’t be taken in by the apparent cuteness of Andrea’s cat.  I’ve seen it.  It grows large, very large, when given a signal by her master.  I think it’s a panther.  It’s menacing believe you me.

      Posted by wronwright on 2006 12 29 at 10:00 AM • permalink

 

    1. #113, Ian Dean:

      I hear what you’re saying there and agree fully. Trolls are one thing, and easily dismissed. Allowing the continual drip drip drip of disinformation and downright deceit to spread unchallenged in any forum or format of public discourse is what I mean by fighting for the info-space.

      The domestic supporters of the enemy have the power they wield now, simply because for too long too many have been too concerned with being too polite in responding to them.

      This isn’t about taking on trolls. We were talking in cross purposes there. This is about an aggressive, no holds barred counter offensive to defeat and destroy a decades old and fortified entrenchment of enemy appeasers, devotees to the cult of cowardice, betrayers, and feckless idiots that serve to function as a force multiplier for enemy propagandists.

      Posted by Grimmy on 2006 12 29 at 10:00 AM • permalink

 

    1. #111 grimmy

      i fear we may have already lost the battle for the infosphere in the classrooms. i don’t know about the US, but in the commonwealth education has become largely a matter of slowly basting kids in cultural self-loathing.

      combined with the multiculturalist tendency to elevate other cultures, no matter how barbaric, as more noble and authentic than ourselves is it any wonder so many think our civilisation is not only not worth defending but something to actively work against.

      this new post imperial cultural cringe is reinforced in the leftard msm and the results are plain to see all over the web

      Posted by eeniemeenie on 2006 12 29 at 10:05 AM • permalink

 

    1. #117, eeniemeenie:

      I do not mean this as a slight to you but as support to all who read this.

      An honorable man will not quit a fight, simply because a fight can not be won. This is how “stunning” and “surprising” victories are achieved in history.

      There is a fight. It must be waged. As men who fight on ships at war learn, if the ship dies, we all die with it.

      Posted by Grimmy on 2006 12 29 at 10:10 AM • permalink

 

    1. I do think that perhaps you might be overstating it a little. I live in one of Australia’s most left-wing cities and I attend one of the most-wing universities but I would be very cautious about saying most of them are domestic supporters of the enemy – simply because, I don’t think they are. If they accepted it was a war, they would side with us. They don’t beleive there’s a war – but I think it’s a very big leap to go from misguided to treasonous.

      I think your objective shouldn’t be to want to get rid of them, but to simply work out how do you prove that there is a war raging and get them on our side.

      Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 12 29 at 10:11 AM • permalink

 

    1. And before I head off to bed, I’d like to remind you all that the extremists aren’t going to bring down civilisation – we beat Hitler and his armies, I’m sure we can beat a couple of bearded gits who hide in caves.

      Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 12 29 at 10:20 AM • permalink

 

    1. OT

      Don’t forget to vote.

      You will be pleasantly surprised as to the many accolades John Howard is receiving.

      In fact, I will start the bidding war…5 million per year U.S. and a U.S. sign on bonus of 20 million…:).

      Posted by El Cid on 2006 12 29 at 10:24 AM • permalink

 

    1. #67: CIA World Factbook estimates Australian manpower (fit for military service; male and female) to be approximately 8 million.

      Crikey! You people could take over the world if you wanted to! It could be the Pax Vegimitus!

      Of course, you’d have to deal with Andrea and her cat, first. Hmm. Better just leave things as they are.

      Posted by paco on 2006 12 29 at 10:24 AM • permalink

 

    1. Ian Dean: Sorry. You have it backward. They believe there is no war because they can not support the war because their ideology refuses us the right to defend ourselves and declares us the universal evil. And yes, by their weak fecklessness, they add their inertia to the enemy.

      But, you are still missing the point. There is damage being done and our blood being shed already because of the constant pressure of self hatred that emanates from exactly such places as you mention.

      After all this time and with all that has gone on, anyone who is not standing up against the enemy is, by default, laying down for the enemy and that only occurs because we have become too accepting of those who refuse to acknowledge their duty to their country during a time of crisis.

      There is no such thing as “neutral” for a citizen of a nation at war. That is a concept created by those who support the enemy in their hearts but do not have the spine to openly declare so.

      Posted by Grimmy on 2006 12 29 at 10:24 AM • permalink

 

    1. #120, Ian Dean:

      And I would like to remind our young student that several million south east asians were sacrificed in honor of the victory of exactly the same sort of enemy sympathizers and stupid, weak, dupes in the mid 70’s to the late ‘80s.

      That whole “…couple of bearded gits who hide in caves.” is bullshit in the extreme.

      Posted by Grimmy on 2006 12 29 at 10:30 AM • permalink

 

    1. #119, Ian, I live in the same city and know many lecturers at NU via my former profession. Most of your teachers ARE termites to our nation. Some are so removed from reality they don’t understand current issues. Others are purely marxist or maoist, some even stalinist. The overwhelming majority are so left/green they are unable to construct a logical argument. One example: J…DiG…, the university archivist, who is so green he’s incomprehensible, yet his brothers-in-law earn $$$hundreds of thousands as coal loader operators.

      See #106 and say again they’d side with us. They didn’t then, they won’t now.

      Posted by mareeS on 2006 12 29 at 10:32 AM • permalink

 

    1. ian you are probably right about overstating the actively working against us bit-

      i’m in a dark mood tonight having sat through v for vendetta where blowing up parliament is shown as a liberating experience and reading the comments about that little girls video (i hope she is spared them)

      Posted by eeniemeenie on 2006 12 29 at 10:35 AM • permalink

 

    1. #126, eeniemeenie:

      Take a bit of time and do an inventory of the changes made to accommodate those that support our enemy over the last few decades, be that enemy communism, reinvented fascism or the current islamism, then ask yourself again if its a case of overstating or is it actually a case of having grown comfortable with retreating?

      Sometimes folk get confused and neglectful if a threat does not make itself overtly manifest and undeniably obvious in a big furry, pointy-tailed, horn-headed sort of way, before they get tired of considering it or watching out for it.
      It’s called defense fatigue.

      Posted by Grimmy on 2006 12 29 at 10:59 AM • permalink

 

    1. #98 Urbs in Horto: Wishes noted and returned for you and yours. Sounds like a very Merry Christmas in the midwest.

      Posted by Teaparty on 2006 12 29 at 11:17 AM • permalink

 

    1. Good morning, all!  After a good sleep, I wake up to read an EXCELLENT thread over my morning caffeine and chocolate hit.

      And what do I find?  HA!  “The_Real_Jeff8”, huh?  How droll…..especially since that I assumed the screen name “The_Real_JeffS” after being being spoofed by a troll, way back in the pre-registration days.

      I must have pissed off that troll with this.  BUAWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

      185600, in your upcoming deployment, be sure to shoot first, and shoot accurately; we need a few less terrorists on this planet.  And come home safe to your fiance!

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 12 29 at 12:01 PM • permalink

 

    1. PS:  As for Andrea’s cat……be afraid.  Be very afraid.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 12 29 at 12:02 PM • permalink

 

    1. #51 Debra and #70 Walterplinge, nashos is the only way to go to salvage what the MSM has wrought.  And any nashos who don’t want to go into combat get to clean the public toilets in their local council area so we all know who they are.  And that goes for my moonbat nephews.

      And as mr creosote says in #88, most of them just need a little push.  Look what happened with marriage, you take away the obligation and everything falls apart, the same with military, people simply take the easy way out and you must count on the small percentage of the really moral and dedicated sections of the population.  Why should we?  If people want to be part of this civilization they better do their part.  As someone said “there is no such thing as a free lunch” and that is exactly what the lefties are counting on.  We should not let them enjoy the free ride.

      And Grimmy, #111, I understand your frustration and share it.  The western media is more at fault for our troubles than any miscalculation on the part of our military and political leaders.  Those mistakes we could ride out but the MSM betrayals are out there for evermore on our enemy’s side.  How to shut down this fifth column and still preserve our freedoms is a hard one.  How to start from scratch with MSM is almost as hard as deciding what to do with the State Department.  Reform it or shut it down completely and rebuild from scratch?

      And eeniemeenie, #117, I wouldn’t despair just yet, when the brown stuff hits the fan our young ones will know where they belong.  Look at what happened at the end of Soviet communism, people still flocked to their own even after many decades of indoctrination.

      Posted by Crossie on 2006 12 29 at 12:30 PM • permalink

 

    1. People like those commenters, and so many others on the left, are filled with hatred…of themselves and their mean, pitiful excuses for lives. Unable to deal with the enormous voids left by this total absence of self-esteem, they turn the hatred outward toward those who have achieved a measure of success or satisfaction with their own lives and, in particular, toward those who serve a purpose higher than themselves. I’d say they’re more to be pitied than censured, but, what the hell, let’s censure the everliving crap out of ‘em.

      Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 12 29 at 12:36 PM • permalink

 

    1. Andrea, I love your cutie cat, I could watch him (her?) all day.  And I love how you toy with grate like the little rat he is.  Brought a smile to my face, it did.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 12 29 at 12:37 PM • permalink

 

    1. I tend to agree with Grimmy that our society is being progessively weakened by forces which, while not overtly aligned with our enemies (and Ian should note the capacity of people for self-delusion here) are by their actions agents for change over time. We end up with a perverted set of ground rules for discussion in public – political correctness has infected not just the media, but even churches, which should be conservative. We have the ridiculous situation now where the Anglicans around Australia criticise the Jensens in Sydney for being right wing fundamentalists. I am not an active member of any church, but I see the Jensens as correctly bible based, while the bulk of the Anglican church (here and overseas in its various guises) tumbles towards new-age irrelevance. The Uniting Church has already arrived there. Baptists are ok but banning booze is way too fundie for me!
      Multiculturalism has been a force for disunity. Assimilation is a must, even if the various groups still dress up for parades and festivals. Political correctness is a drawn-out form of societal suicide, using left wing platitudes as anaesthetic.

      Posted by blogstrop on 2006 12 29 at 04:51 PM • permalink

 

    1. On your point about Christians and the Left, I think that it’s a very tricky sort of thing to say where they should stand. Of course, the letter of their faith pushes them Right but the spirit of their faith pushes them Left.

      I have a really good friend who is solidly Left and I’ve come to understand that the difference between us is that I think sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind, while she simply does not want to impose any greater hardships on anyone. I think her beliefs are short-sighted, she thinks I’m unnecessarily cruel.

      But you can’t just dismiss the Left and presume that these people are traitors waiting to happen. Some of them, maybe they are; but you have to work to convince them of why we believe the things we do.

      Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 12 29 at 05:04 PM • permalink

 

    1. (That was directed to blogstrop)

      Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 12 29 at 05:05 PM • permalink

 

    1. Ian Deans:

      I’m gonna say this then let it drop for now.

      If your friend has bought into the bullshit that is constantly poured out from the mouths of the deceivers and defeatists and stands against your own nation’s efforts in this war, for any reason what so ever, be that emotional, philosophical, whatever, she is part of the problem and is part of why our countrymen (both of ours) are having to fight this war with at least one hand tied behind their backs, both eyes shut and feet hobbled.

      IT is the leftists that constantly buy into the enemy propaganda based recriminations and accusations and if she is in that group, she is guilty. No matter that she may be cute, or nice, or friendly.

      If not, then she ain’t. This ain’t about party affiliation. That is just a general indicator. This is about loyalty to your own during a time of war. It is not optional.

      Posted by Grimmy on 2006 12 29 at 05:35 PM • permalink

 

    1. Ian, grimmy and others here. Your comments bring to mind the story of Gideon: He who faced an army of 135,000—starting with a but a small band of warriors numbering 32,000. (I have taken no small liberty with the text of Judges 6. My apologies, the Hebrew is short and sharp, the English less so).

      Anyway, at the foot of Mt. Gilead in the valley of Jezreel (yes, THAT valley), G-d spoke to him, saying, “Gideon, tell your men if any of them are afraid, they are free to go now.”

      As Gideon reluctantly obeyed the Lord, he was stunned to see 10,000 men turn to leave to go home. At this point, he was so frightened, he wanted to join those who were leaving.

      Once again, G-d spoke: “There are still too many men, Gideon.”

      “Too many?” Gideon wondered to himself. “He’s got to be kidding.”

      G-d spoke again: “Bring them down to the water for I will sift them there. Watch closely as they drink. Those that lie down and drink like dogs are to be sent home. On the other hand, those who simply kneel and drink from their hands you are to keep.”

      By the time that horrible day was done, Gideon’s small army had been reduced to a mere pittance – three hundred men who were just as frightened as he was.

      Why did G-d take an already-small army and reduce it to a mere handful of men? The answer to this is simple.

      Historically, G-d has won far more battles based on the quality of His servants than He ever has through the quantity of His servants.

      First of all, G-d told Gideon to send home every man with fear in his heart. G-d knew that fear, like faith, is contagious. If He allowed these fear-ridden men to remain, their terror would affect the faith and morale of the whole army.

      Second, G-d brought the rest of the army to a body of water so they could drink. Only those who carefully drank from their cupped hands were allowed to remain; those who lay down and plunged their faces into the water were disqualified.

      They were disqualified because they allowed their personal thirst to become the central focus of their lives. Unlike the three hundred who continued to carefully scan the horizons for enemies while they were drinking, the 21,700 other men were so dominated by their personal needs that they lost sight of the very battle that they had been called to fight.

      I don’t know if the above is germane to the discussion—it just popped into the forefront of my mind upon reading your words.

      The Shaun Martins of this world—those like 185600 (may the Almighty sustain and protect you from every trouble, woe and injury), 91B30, Texas Bob and all who so serve—they who carefully scan the horizon for enemies and sacrifice so much for we who here write our thoughts; they are beloved of the Lord and constantly in my thoughts and prayers.

      Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 12 29 at 05:45 PM • permalink

 

    1. 185, pay no attention to the pathetic whiny little turd who’s needling you.  Sucks to be him/her/it.

      And go with God, and return home safely.  You and your mates will be in my prayers.

      Posted by texasred on 2006 12 29 at 06:13 PM • permalink

 

    1. The Shaun Martins of this world—those like 185600 (may the Almighty sustain and protect you from every trouble, woe and injury), 91B30, Texas Bob and all who so serve—they who carefully scan the horizon for enemies and sacrifice so much for we who here write our thoughts; they are beloved of the Lord and constantly in my thoughts and prayers.

      Amen, MentalFloss.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 12 29 at 07:21 PM • permalink

 

    1. And on the subject of nashos and chockos, for the amusement of all, when I was 17 I got rejected for the army reserves. I never got a reason for it, but I suspect I failed the psych test. Something about jumping off high places.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 12 29 at 07:26 PM • permalink

 

    1. #141: Wait! You didn’t lie down when you drank water did you?

      #138: It was good to be reminded of that story, MentalFloss. Many thanks.

      Posted by paco on 2006 12 29 at 07:49 PM • permalink

 

    1. #141, I was rejected by ROTC because I was short.  That’s what they said, anyway.  I suspect the fact I couldn’t hold the dummy gun up played a factor.

      Posted by ushie on 2006 12 29 at 07:51 PM • permalink

 

    1. #138 Mentalfloss, and #139 Red: Thank you, I guess I just got annoyed by the emails that fool sent. All the best to you and yours. 🙂
      #141 Nilk: Funny, in my job the ‘high places’ part is a prerequisite. 🙂

      Posted by 185600 on 2006 12 29 at 07:52 PM • permalink

 

    1. #63

      185600. Oh, I think you are spot-on! No way this needle-dicked pig-squealer has ever donned a uniform. Except the nifty little all-leather SS number with the bum cut out for his regular visits to Oxford St, I suppose!

      While insulting such a troll is fun, the serious issue lies in the wilful blindness of the left. They deliberately choose to ignore all data which does not support their delusions, and call this being ‘reality based’. I spend a lot of time looking at leftist sites, and even comment on a very small number of the more sensible ones.

      The bulk of leftist ‘debate’ seems designed to purposely exclude all contrary views or data. Most of their sites have deliberate censorship of comments, for example. You find this very rarely on conservative sites, but again, you find it also on rightie-nutter sites (skinheads, nea-nazi’s etc) and just plain insane sites (conspiracy theorists, anti-semitic etc).

      Funny how so many supposedly mainstream leftie sites share so much in common with the real space cadets and whackjobs out there.

      MarkL
      Canberra

      Posted by MarkL on 2006 12 29 at 07:57 PM • permalink

 

    1. I realize I’ve posted these guys before but they really do “get it” and get it in the best possible way. Their music video sparked a firestorm on youtube and has probably put them on our enemy’s target list. Their response?

      This remix that specifically calls out CAIR and showcases islamofascist propaganda indoctrination of their children. It begins with the spoken word of Walid Shoebat from their song “For the Cause of Allah” and then goes into Open Season remix with the words subtitled so folk cant misconstrue them.

      Posted by Grimmy on 2006 12 29 at 08:12 PM • permalink

 

    1. The article to which Stuck Mojo links describes the best, clearest and only strategy for triumph aginst the great evil we face:

      “No Substitute for Victory”

      Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 12 29 at 09:32 PM • permalink

 

    1. #130 what is it with this cat? Is it a robot?

      Posted by carpefraise on 2006 12 30 at 09:20 PM • permalink

 

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