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Place your bets, folks; how many years is Fat Dave going away for?
UPDATE. Ha!
UPDATE II. “My story,” writes Shannon, “bears some frightening resemblance to the plight of David Hicks.”
- A Tenner. Rather than the three tenners (consecutively) I would have given him.Posted by Zoe Brain on 2007 03 30 at 12:53 AM • permalink
- One for every sit up he can do: 7 years plus salad bar.Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 03 30 at 12:56 AM • permalink
- I agree with Zoe – 10 years but reduced to five on time served.
—Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 03 30 at 12:56 AM • permalink
- He’ll be out in five.Posted by tabitharuth on 2007 03 30 at 12:57 AM • permalink
- Less then three years.Posted by armageddon on 2007 03 30 at 01:03 AM • permalink
- Time served plus three – a total of eight years.
Plus, no copy of Harry Potter and the Elders of Zion
Harsh.
- To paraphrase Mark Latham, I reckon Hicks will be home and out of jail/gaol by Christmas. I suspect he’ll get a little bit more than the 5 years served (i.e. a small sentence once the 5 years are taken into account) followed by a prisoner transfer to Australia, after which the US wont care if there’s a low-key controlled-release or whatever.
I wonder what Mamdouh Habib did, relative to David Hicks? At this stage it doesnt seem Hicks actually did that much.
- He will not get anything like what Lindh managed to bargain for. Afterall Hicks is not an American and therefore was lucky enough to go to Guantanamo Bay rather than cop the full force of the law the US reserves for its own citizens.
My guess is he will get three to five at most, will be in Adelaide by June and out by Christmas.
The fat prick might even walk.
- The fat prick might even walk.
Combined with a calorie controlled diet he might even be able to run one day.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 03 30 at 01:25 AM • permalink
- I’ll go for the same as Habib, fifteen, less the five already served.
Unfortunately. If we can’t hang him, I’d settle for 50 years.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 03 30 at 01:33 AM • permalink
- My ideal scenario is : the tribunal chairman takes on board the prosecution’s recommendation of a sentence of 10 less the 5 served, and then ignores it completely on the grounds that they have to send out the strongest possible message to other would-be traitors that this is a game you play for keeps, then proceeds to give him 20 with no reduction for the time spent as a POW.
- Fifteen total, ten to serve.
It will be interesting to see if the Indians want to have a chat with him over his little bit of shooting practice into Kashmir.
Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2007 03 30 at 01:35 AM • permalink
- Johnny Jihad minus time served equals
SEVEN
Posted by Astonished on 2007 03 30 at 01:43 AM • permalink
- I think John Walker Lindh got 20, so my guess is a substantial reduction on that: 25%. Make it 15 years (including time served).Posted by walterplinge on 2007 03 30 at 01:45 AM • permalink
- #28 – Nup. Waste of bloody time having all these lamp posts.Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 03 30 at 01:53 AM • permalink
- Three in Yatala and two with Jenny Craig.
Photo taken at recent Hicks love in. Image courtesy of Reuters
Posted by Whale Spinor on 2007 03 30 at 01:56 AM • permalink
- Can’t you figure it out ? Don’t you read the Tandberg cartoons at The Age ?
John Howard will carefully manipulate events so that Hicks will be released in time for the election. It will be just like Tampa again. I promise you, its just like 9-11, the government is pulling the strings !
Its so simple, I can’t believe none of you figured it out ! Unleash your minds to use the brain !
- How many years he’s sentenced is one thing, how many he serves is dependent on who wins the next election.Posted by dean martin on 2007 03 30 at 02:05 AM • permalink
- Three years, if they keep him in solitary. Out in the general populace – he’ll see next Christmas if he’s lucky.Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 03 30 at 02:22 AM • permalink
- Let’s hope he gets the right aeroplane.
(via Bolta)
Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 03 30 at 02:31 AM • permalink
- Home Sweet Home for Mohammud: (from the Daily Telegraph)
If Hicks is relocated to Australia in coming weeks or months, he will probably be transferred to Yatala’s G-division, the highest security facility in South Australia.
John Justin Bunting and Robert Joe Wagner – the men behind the gruesome Snowtown serial murders – are both jailed at Yatala. One of the state’s most deranged criminals, Bevan Spencer von Einem, also shares a cell at Yatala.
He is the ringleader of the notorious group of paedophiles and murderers dubbed the “Family”. The group was behind the sex killings of five young men in Adelaide between 1979 and 1983.
While other inmates may be famous for their heinous crimes, none is more colourful than killer Michael Barry Fyfe, nicknamed the Birdman of Yatala because he was once allowed to keep a rainbow lorikeet in his cell as a pet.
Perhaps ominously for Hicks, Fyfe has a habit of turning on fellow inmates. He was serving a 25-year sentence for attempted murder and assault in 1995 when he stabbed Trevor Tilley, a former policeman turned rapist, to death in the prison kitchen.
He has since assaulted and attempted to kill other inmates, admitting to Yatala prison authorities that he finds it difficult to control his temper.Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 03 30 at 02:40 AM • permalink
- He will get 5 years and be released into the care of Bob Brown and Marylin Sheep-herd for 6 months. After a week he will appeal the severity of this and beg for it to be reduced to life without the possibility of parole if “they just get them to shut up”Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 03 30 at 02:53 AM • permalink
- This is the leader of the VRWC. All my concerns have been erased. No, seriously, they have.Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 03 30 at 03:17 AM • permalink
- #48 As good as all the other rapcrap on tv.Posted by dean martin on 2007 03 30 at 03:25 AM • permalink
- Re Update : Hey, don’t I get any credit for my photoshop work? And for pinching the photo from Leftwrites. And the ban the bomb logo sans penis? (See comment #31)
(story of my life, beaver away in my corner while every other bastard takes the credit… )-:))
Posted by Whale Spinor on 2007 03 30 at 03:43 AM • permalink
- When websites collide.Posted by dean martin on 2007 03 30 at 03:58 AM • permalink
- Yatala? And you thought the fat prick was already in Terrorist Heaven?
- (Tune Fat Bottomed Girls)
Oh Dont give him any dessert tonight
Oh His jeans are way too tight
Oh you let it all hang out
Fat bottomed Dave
You make Mt Everest look like a mound.He was just a skinny lad
Always listened to his dad
never caused nobody harm no sireee
Left alone with big bad Sarmy
an anti semite who was barmy
Heap big mussie you made a bad boy out of he
Hey hey!He’s been making plots and plans
shot at soldiers in every land
He’s been the bumboy of Mujahadeen
Caught by Gomer Pyle
Get used to those bars for quite a while
Pity its Yatala and not Gitmo you’ll do time.Oh Dont give him any dessert tonight
Oh His jeans are way too tight
Oh you let it all hang out
Fat bottomed Dave
You make Mt Everest look like a mound.
- Re update II: ffs, this little girl doesn’t know she’s alive.Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 03 30 at 04:52 AM • permalink
- #24, #29:
I am not sure of the timing but if Australia was officially allied with the US in regards to the Afghanistan battle, then it could well be that he fits the legal definition of having taken up arms against his own country during a time of war. That is the most strict definition of treason in most western codes, iirc.
And, it does not matter if the Talib was an “official military” when the issue of treason or other such criminal issues are being discussed.
The only thing the Talib murderer gangs not being official uniformed national military has any real bearing on is whether or not members of such an outfit would qualify as protected persons or qualify for POW status under the GC.
Since the Talib was simply a loose knit gang of murdering thugs and not an actual national uniformed military, no member of the Talib qualifies for any protections once caught.
- Re: Update II Shannon. Evidently she’s thankful to David Hicks for opening her eyes to appreciating her freedom. A product of the lovely liberal education system both the US and Oz enjoy these days. Be thankful to those who would destroy you and your way of life for the freedoms we all enjoy. Protest and spit on those who actually protect those freedoms. I don’t know about you, but I won’t be passing the torch to today’s youth until they pry it from my cold dead hands.
- Nic (#19), I agree – three years is about right, but if they made me share with Marilyn Shithead, I’d ask to stay at Gitmo!Posted by AlphaMikeFoxtrot on 2007 03 30 at 05:04 AM • permalink
- Shannon: The result of a ‘progressive education’. So self righteous, full of ‘huggly cuddly’ self loathing in the lefty style. If she plans a future in literature, her stance and style have already swamped some sections of the media. Although, with some of the personalities ‘graduating’ and moving on to the Labor Party, she could find an opening there. Fairfax also needs sanctimonious self righteous scribes to peddle this type of heart string drivel. Talk about the SOSE generation, I am afraid it is finally starting to come to fruitation and to think they will be able to vote one day.
- I would like to think minimum of 20 years. It is not just what he has doneor not done, it is what he intended to do had he not been caught.
It was his intent to return here and contract others to his evil ideology. What would we have to say if he was freed early and then brought down an apartment building or tunnel?
David- Dawood can NEVER be assimilated back into our society and will have no concerns about killing others if it means he can go down or up in firestorm of martyrdom.
He will want to avenge us more for his imprisonment. Who will employ him?trust him or feel comfortable in his presence. He is a pariah and should get life.
God help us all and the father that spawned him.
- Looks like they’re asking for 20 yearsPosted by TattooedIntellectual on 2007 03 30 at 05:32 AM • permalink
- Shannon – going through an emo phase or the product of education that produces self-confidence with no substance?
A little from column A and column B, I think.
Posted by boxofmatches on 2007 03 30 at 05:59 AM • permalink
- The whole reason he was never returned here to face charges was that there were no charges to face, unlike the British detainees. The laws now in place to deal with Hicks are, of coure, not retrospective (thanks to the Greens and the Democrats – the ones who have screamed louded over his detention in Gitmo while being responsible for screwing up the legislation to get him here for trial). For the Government to charge him with anything will look like persecution. However, without taking a guess at the sentence I’m sure that the extradition parameters will be sufficient to keep Hicks locked up for whatever remains of his sentence no matter who’s in government. No Christmas pudding on the outside for Dawood – not that the fat bastard needs it.
This week on
One OpinionDifference of Opinion we look at western society and how muslims can integrate. Will it work in our modern, secular society.I don’t recall any other regligious group having special programmes dedicated to them in this fashion. Nor special “government representatives”.
- hey that Shannon is a hotty ; from Geeeeelong, but she needs to lighten up a bit..Posted by arnienelly on 2007 03 30 at 07:16 AM • permalink
- I’m going for 7 years including time spent, which means out in 2. By then the Indians will have made up their mind about whether to prosecute for attempted murder.
As for Shannon, she shouldn’t blame her high school for her weight gain. She should have watched her diet and exercised regularly. Besides, she has grown up a lot since she year 7, so some of the weight gain and filling out is entirely natural. Now what other similarities were there with Hicks at Guantanamo Bay?
- #78 Kae. Its Jeff McMullen ABC. Former Channel Nine 60 minutes. George Negus SBS. Former Channel Nine 60 minutes. Got the connection here. All too old and living in the past, or failed commercially, so the ABC serve us these failed ideologues for their propaganda. At least we are not swamped ad nauseum with advertising. Shit they are even advertising the ‘lights off’ in Sydney on Foxtel, so even if you pay for this service, they still pervade upon your psychic anyway.
- #78
Next Week: Islam in Australia – A Collision Course?
What’s causing the fear and friction between muslims and non-muslims in Australia?
Brainwashing programmes such as this.
Can Islam work in our secular society or will there always be conflict?
No and yes.
And what attitudes need to change to smooth the path ahead?
Heard the one about the frog and the scorpion?
- Counterpoint this week:
Neil James: … A number of Al-Qaeda training manuals at different levels of Al-Qaeda training…in fact, at every level…basically said the first thing you do if you’re lifted or arrested or detained by a western democratic government is scream ‘torture’ at the top of your voice for the simple reason that there’ll always be people in western societies who will believe the worst of their own governments. Even if you’ve never been tortured you’ll automatically elicit some sympathy from the more gullible, and it’s also a handy protection in legal cases, just like many criminals when they’re captured say they’ve been verballed by the police when they later confess. It’s a classic accepted method by terrorists to scream that they’ve been tortured, even if they haven’t. Anyone who looks at this with any element of critical judgement, you have to say that yes some of them may have been tortured but it’s pretty unlikely that all of them have been tortured all the time in the custody of western democracies.
- At least little Shannon is only 17 years old. When she’s 40 and still spouting this nonsense, then we can consider her a typical moonbat and/or tenured university professor.Posted by CrankyNeocon on 2007 03 30 at 07:54 AM • permalink
- #73. Hmmm. Earf Hour. I’ll make sure I’ve got the telly, the pc, the microwave, the stereo, the clockradio and all the lights on.Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 03 30 at 08:18 AM • permalink
- Five more years if we’re lucky, but I wouldn’t even bet on that much. If any servicemen on active duty are reading this, if you encounter any jihadis please, PLEASE, PLEASE do not take prisoners. If we have learned nothing else from the cases of Mo Dawood and Mamdouh Habib, I hope at least we have learned that justice for jihadis can only be assured from the barrel of a American/Australian serviceman’s gun. It is absolutely useless trying to achieve justice and defend western civilisation via its corrupt, greedy, psychopathic and parasitic legal profession. God knows the Aussie diggers didn’t beat the Japanese on the Kokoda trail in WWII by taking prisoners. Mo & Mamdouh and their vermin lawyers show us that the diggers were not just brave, but incredibly wise as well.Posted by Jim Geones on 2007 03 30 at 08:34 AM • permalink
- He walks: he’ll get five years, minus time served.
When he gets out, he’ll have a brief world tour, speaking to fawning crowds in Oz and the US.
Ninety days later, the leftards having put him to good use, they’ll spit him out like a watermelon seed. He’ll try to find a job, but he has no skills and frankly is not very bright. Given the choice of joining Cindy Sheehan on the Forgotten Leftard circuit, or going back to al Qaeda, he’ll choose the latter.
By this time next year, he’ll have been killed in Iraq – or, if Congress forces a withdrawal, he’ll be one of the triumphant forces of insane Islamism that’ll be riding high in Baghdad. There, he’ll take up his new career as rapist and murderer.
And the Left will rejoice at his triumph over the forces of repression.
Posted by Urbs in Horto on 2007 03 30 at 09:03 AM • permalink
- Posted this in the wrong thread…Pisser really, but when one is on the bottom, the top position controls things.
View is wonderful though…;>.
- ot
hope this important story will not vanish.
Jacques Verges is the scum who defended Klaus Barbie financed by Francois Genoud, the swiss banker to the nazis, who recenty commited suicide and a major funder of Arab terrorism in Europe over the last thirty years.
Arab prince in ‘cocaine run’
- Well, Shannon is only 17. I see no profit or honor in picking on children; she’ll grow and mature.
And if she doesn’t then we can laugh at her.
Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2007 03 30 at 09:36 AM • permalink
- Ch 10 news just announced: 7 years, but uncertain as to whether Dave’s prior period counts.Posted by ErnestBludger on 2007 03 30 at 09:39 AM • permalink
- #105 Kae. Age is of no consequence, what I was just quoting, I believe, was an old Japanese proverb (if I am wrong, I stand corrected) what I was not quoting, was the continuous, ‘fork in the road’ blather issued by Rudd’s, lazy hack speechwriters.
“Shags” is a term I have not read in many years. Now the term ‘eye candy’ is a terminology I find interesting.
- Aha, here’s something we didn’t think of and it’s been cleverly tagged by young Victoria of Central Coast NSW in the Australian –
“I find it interesting that no one has yet commented on the fact that, with their incredible control over the prisoners on the Guantanamo gulag and their diets, that it would have been entirely probable that they decided to fatten the sacrificial lamb before they brought him to market. If they increased the number of calories available to David Hicks and he had nothing better to do than sit around his cell and read and eat, combined with the lack of exercise afforded him, then of course he would have put on weight recently, thus giving the lie, conveniently, to all those who had been saying how drawn and thin he looked. As for the healthy tanned complexion, how are we to know that it wasn’t spray on tan?”The pate de foie gras summertone explanation. It’s so obvious yet I didn’t think of it
Posted by Whale Spinor on 2007 03 30 at 09:57 AM • permalink
- O/T
A green Sydney Morning Herald today – full of green stuff like the Metro section “How Green is My Rock Star”
And leafing through yesterday’s glossy Sydney Magazine – with Pete Garrett on the front cover I find a page dedicated to the Catmeat Sheikh who is lovingly interviewed by Jack Marx with the faithful Keysar Trad translating
Example of this sh*t
“When he first came to Australia in 1982” translates Trad “he knew so little about Australia he thought it was just one or two hours from the Middle East. The trip took so long he wondered if he were travelling to another planet. And when he looked down from the plane and saw all the red slanting roofs, he thought they were the tops of tribal tents” Hilaly frowns and shakes his head “What sort of backward country was this?”
Well he loved this backward country he stayed and stayed and stayed – stuff that pesky visa
The balanced SMH in action
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2007 03 30 at 10:08 AM • permalink
- Im slowly coming to realise that lefty stupidity is a well that just wont run dry. Ive often thought lately “thats it the nirvana of fuckwittery has finaly been reached” when lo and behold over the hill lumbers something even more moraly bankrupt and stupid.
We should have a comp to see who can find the stupidest letter to a paper or blog regaurding Hicks.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 03 30 at 10:09 AM • permalink
- Hmmm.
1. David Hicks? I’d hang him and then throw the body to the sharks.
2. What is it with these idiot liberals?Honestly I think I’d like to force some of them to actually live in a country where they’d actually have to face up with reality.
Posted by memomachine on 2007 03 30 at 10:13 AM • permalink
- #113 Not a problem. Seven years for that little fat rat. Well, those evil Americans. Their torture and torment knows no bounds.
I still say, that the intel he would have provided, without being present in the discussions, to a 5.56 ‘slotting’ while he stood guard armed with a AK47 near an old Russian T52 tank. Dawood, is a pathetic anti-semitic wannabe. It just shows how desperate the Jihadists are for recruits, when they attract that sort of element to their ranks. I hope, that this little fascist, really does become the ‘partner’ of a crack dealer called “Bubba”.
- Heres my selection for “scribbling on the asylum walls with poo” letter of the day. Pulled fresh and staeming from the letters pages of the Australian.
Its got it all, Jew hatred, Winston Chrchill as a facist, bulldozed babies, then a critcism of Howard for not being a frothing anti-semite.
And rather touchingly an appeal for justice.
Asianplumb/[Lindsay Wilson] of Melbourne (30 March at 01:20 AM)
Women are bombed and bulldozed to death in their beds daily by Israel with American and Australian support every day of the week in Palestine and the western world looks the other way or pretends that these atrocities don’t happen. Winston Churchil and Mel Gibson knew and know who is at fault here why doesn’t John Howard? We cannot judge Hicks on hearsay evidence because as a nation we have no idea of real or fair justice going by our past and present record! Selective justice is not justice, it’s a crime in itself!Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 03 30 at 10:23 AM • permalink
- Fuck a duck!! The shitbag is gonna serve 2 on top of remand….
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6510899.stm
Was this seriously worth it!!! For fucks sakes!
- #115 aussiemagpie. Did they mention that Paul ‘the recession we had to have’ Keating did a number on his then immigration minister, Chris Hurford so as to garnish ethnic votes and preferences for the ALP. So he overrode Hurford’s recommendations on this crap heap cult monster and allowed him to remain in the country. SMH, we have a recruit for you. Contact Shannon.
- #123 BJM
Not a word – this was a cosy little get together at a Lebanese restaurant to let us know all about the sheikh’s warm and cuddly side
This is Marx describing Hilaly and Trad “At times, the earnest affability and playfulness of the duo make them appear almost as a camp comedy act, the diminutive Trad as loyal Boy Wonder to the mufti’s wise and distinguished but occasionally frustrated Batman”
And so it goes on – just two wonderfully ordinary Aussies! Ready to be loved by the masses
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2007 03 30 at 10:51 AM • permalink
- And my favourite comment today from Bolta’s blog – the Hicksy thread
Posted by Marilyn on Fri 30 Mar 07 at 03:20pm
SNIP
SNIPMarilyn, I’ve explained why you are not welcome here.
Andrew Bolt
Fri 30 Mar 07 (05:23pm)Posted by aussiemagpie on 2007 03 30 at 10:53 AM • permalink
- From Shannon:
How lucky I am to have been raised to think for myself and make my own decisions about my social, political and religious inclinations. [Emphasis mine.]
She thinks for herself and then makes her own decisions about her inclinations. It is unfortunate that she wasn’t raised to understand that actual thought consists of much more beyond her inclinations, and that the decisions she’s so inclined to make are unreliable.
She has reason to “enter the wide world” with trepidation because she “can no longer be certain that my basic rights as a human being will be defended by the ‘civilization’ that I live in.” The very thing that made her inclined to put cynical quote marks around “civilization” is the thing that puts that civilization, and her in it, in a great deal of danger indeed.
- #124 aussiemagpie. Truly amazing. Really, is it any wonder Australia produces not only JAFA’s (overseas terminology), but the likes of Mohammad Dawood, with puff pieces like that in the MSM. What was Marx doing, having a Chardonnay and a mass debate with the Sheik, with Trad ‘the boy wonder’ copping the overspill. It just makes me want to go and give a big hug to my daughter’s teddy bear, with a burqa draped over it of course. I thank the big fellow up top, that I don’t have shares in Fairfax.
- Sky News (UK) just announced he has also withdrawn all allegations of abuse while in cutody, too.Posted by Villeurbanne on 2007 03 30 at 11:12 AM • permalink
- #128 BJM
Yes Marx was sharing a lovely meal in Greenacre with Boy Wonder and Batman – no chardy though!
I don’t read all the SMH each day and it’s glossy mags but I just wanted to find if ther was any balance and when I got to the back page of the Sydney Magazine I found this so then I knew there was no more room for anything remotely anti all the drivel
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2007 03 30 at 11:22 AM • permalink
- #127 mareeS. Quite possible. Being a believer in my convictions, I feel I do not need to use subterfuge to ingrate myself to people on a blog site. If so, not surprised, a few teachers of late have been featured lately in the media ‘connecting’ with their young nubile charges and doing more than misrepresenting themselves on a blog site to push their own political agenda.
- Re. the “And put him on a diet” sign: hilarious, even down to the tiniest detail of adding a Mercedes-Benz “peace” symbol to the sign. If you’re a commenter, here, Anon Poster Maker, my hat’s off to you. Well done.
P.S. Did any of the wankers there even notice what your sign read and meant?
Posted by andycanuck on 2007 03 30 at 12:17 PM • permalink
- #127 I just pasted Shannon’s little screed into the Gender Genie and it calculated the following scores:
Female: 511
Male: 526So that program is slightly in favour of the author being a man.
- The Mole
do you think Sir Winston would have been honored to be compared to Mel Gibson?
-Definitely Number one on the emergency toilet paper list.Truly amazing. a letter from an antisemite attacking Howard for not being an antisemite.
and attempting to Paint Churchill as an antisemite in the same league as Mel Gibson. Printed in the Australian to boot. Must have got past by the moderators, since there is no mention of the word “JEW”.
- #142, Contrail,
Just because the social engineers consider the child abuse they propose to be right, the reality is that a 17 year old doesn’t have the knowledge or experience to make the judgments they would foist upon her. To that you must add the fact that they have worked diligently throughout her life to maim the only faculty that would give her a chance—her rational faculty.
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