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Last updated on March 6th, 2018 at 12:30 am
A few hundred Kyotolite idiots have marched in London. This is considered newsworthy, for some reason:
“We want to express just how aghast we are that the US is not joining the rest of the world,” said Phil Thornhill, of the Campaign Against Climate Change. “And we want to create a groundswell of global opinion against them and any country that doesn’t play its part.”
Hate speech! Hate speech! That Thornhill boy is foot-stomping mad:
“The coming into force of the Kyoto Protocol is something to be celebrated not so much because it will bring down emissions to any significant degree – it won’t – but because it demonstrates the will of the great majority of the world community to address the problem of global climate change,” said Phil Thornhill of the Campaign Against Climate Change.
“Now the pariah status of Bush’s US – as the nation whose obduracy threatens the entire global community with catastrophe on a scale never seen before – is plain for all to see,” he added.
Here’s Phil, plain for all to see, capering about in some John Howard-themed enviro-play (that’s him with the JoHo mask). Sadly, the weather itself turned on Phil and his puppet-hauling bongster followers:
In spite of pouring rain, more than 350 campaigners beat their drums and made speeches in an attempt to get their voices heard.
They’d be a lot easier to hear if they quit all that drumming. By the way … 350 people? That’s about 0.0048% of London’s population. Numbers were even lower in Edinburgh:
Police said about 25 protesters turned out.
Some were dressed as mosquitoes, which they say are being found further north as climate change takes effect.
Skeeters! Only Kyoto can save us. (Hey—new poll at left.)
UPDATE. 350 soggy Brits equals heat:
The heat was turned up on the Howard Government ahead of the official start to the Kyoto Protocol on Wednesday, with protests in London and political pressure at home.
- If these guys are so upset about climate change how about they bitch at all the people [such as most of Europe] who signed Kyoto and just ignored it? This whole issue is ridiculous and they are going to keep doing their chicken little thing until nobody, not even their fellow antiAmerican buddies pay the slightest attention to them.
“The coming into force of the Kyoto Protocol is something to be celebrated not so much because it will bring down emissions to any significant degree – it won’t – but because it demonstrates the will of the great majority of the world community to address the problem of global climate change,�? said Phil Thornhill of the Campaign Against Climate Change. “
Such honesty. “It won’t work, but, hey, it makes me feel good to have such a group hug!”
And such stupidity. Maybe that “pouring rain” washed their brains out their ears.Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 02/13 at 11:22 AM • permalink
- The “climate change�? or “global warming�? proponents are simply utilising the age-old foundations of any religion – Humankind attempting to communicate with the weather.
It IS a religion – the enthusiasm and fervour demonstrated by the believers is akin to that of the witch hunts in the Dark Ages, when crops failed or some other natural disaster occurred.
It is a religion that has been embraced by the Greens and radical left, as carbon dioxide emissions are an artifact of capitalism, technology and wealth. Limit or destroy carbon dioxide emission, and you destroy capitalism, and we all sit back in our communal vegetable gardens and sing Kumbaya.
It is a religion that has been embraced by scientists, computer modellers and statisticians, who recognise the economic benefits for the rest of their lives of the blind Government largesse expended upon climate change research.
Imagine – being paid handsomely for the rest of your life, working up a theory at Government behest, and never exposing yourself to the risk of being proven wrong.
I would wager that there are very few scientists in private enterprise whose job it is to prepare theses and models of climate alarmism.
The simple facts are these:
(1) Yes, there is currently global warming. No doubt at all.
(2) The rate of global warming is statistically similar to other Interglacial periods.
(3) There has been an Ice Age (Glacial) every 100,000 years in the earth’s history.
(4) Between each Glacial is an Interglacial period of about 20,000 years.
(5) The current Interglacial period has lasted 18,000 years.
(6) Interglacial periods have “warm�? and “cold�? cycles of about 400 years. Talk to any wide-eyed believer of global warming about the “Medieval Warm Period�? from approx AD 1000 to AD 1400, and the “Little Ice Age�? from approx AD 1500 to AD 1900. The current cycle is remarkably similar to the “Medieval Warm Period�?.
(7) Man-made greenhouse gases are statistically insignificant. The most prevalent “greenhouse�? gas is water vapour, at about 96%. Next comes CO2 at 3.5%, and the remaining 0.5% is methane CFC’s and other gases.
(8) The present atmospheric concentration of CO2 is 360 parts per million, which is 0.036%.
(9) Of the CO2 component of “greenhouse�? gases at 3.5%, the bulk of this is naturally occurring, through volcanoes, net ocean release, fires and vegetation degradation.
(10) Man-made carbon dioxide emissions are only a fraction of this 3.5%, and of all the “greenhouse�? gases, man-made “greenhouse�? gases make up less than 0.03%!
Read the link, it is an interesting and well presented analysis of “greenhouse�? gases, in non-scientific language.
Global climate change extremism should be fought wherever it appears.
- And afterwards, these protestors are going to Beijing and Delhi to congratulate the Chinese and Indians on getting themselves exempted from Kyoto. Right? Bueller? Bueller?
So let’s recap – the nation that has probably done more than any other to clean up the environment is a pariah for not signing Kyoto, which won’t even have an effect according to one of their spokescreatures, but two of the most polluting nations that aren’t even covered by the treaty don’t even register on the enviro-weenies’ consciousness? Do I have it right? Because it sounds really stupid to me, and I want to make sure I am not adding any additional idiocy to their position.
I wouldn’t want to misrepresent these people – if they’re not really morons I don’t want to unfairly tag them with that label. Please, somebody, explain to me that they aren’t actually stupid.Posted by Steve Skubinna on 02/13 at 12:03 PM • permalink
- Makes me want to drive down to the local gas/petrol station and fill the 35 gal. tank of my Toyota Tundra.Posted by Trent River on 02/13 at 12:32 PM • permalink
- My favorite is the notion that mosquitos in the Great White North is an odd thing. I don’t know about Europe, but huge swarms of mosquitos are a regular feature of the summer tundra-melt in the arctic areas of my home continent, and always have been.Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 02/13 at 12:41 PM • permalink
- China and India are EXEMPTED from the Kyoto protocols. Both countries are heavily dependent on COAL burning power plants. Both countries are going to DOUBLE their coal burning capacity in the next 30 years.
Of all the countries who have signed on to the Kyoto protocols, only three or four have actually done anything of consequence to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
Kyoto is a political ploy to DE-INDUSTRIALIZE the USA. To meet Kyoto standards would result in the loss of 4.5 MILLION jobs in the US. The US Senate, which must ratify treaties voted 95-0 to reject Kyoto.Posted by Mystery Meat on 02/13 at 01:14 PM • permalink
- I watched Chrichton on CSpan last night and he had an interesting idea. Give different labs with different view points funding to research the same thing and then have them critique each other’s work and make the findings public. He said this would help take some of the politics out of scientific research. He also said a great deal of the data used to support human impact on global warming was questionable to say the least.
- I went to the poll and voted to sacrifice my first-born to Gaeya– Gaya– what’s her face.
While viewing the poll results, I saw this:
“Free polls from Pollhost.com!”
YES! Let’s all get out there and liberate those Polls! That could be the very NEXT Sensible Scientific Project! 😀Posted by mamapajamas on 02/13 at 03:26 PM • permalink
- So they admit it won’t bring down emissions but they are still going on about it.
“We’re here, we’re wet, we’re totally bloody foolish, get used to it.”
The chants never change at these things. They’re all the same, but just (insert particular cause after hoe).Posted by Darlene Taylor on 02/13 at 03:33 PM • permalink
- Wonder if the greenies know the emissions from coal-burning powerplants are actually more radioactive than the emissions from commercial reactors?
And it’s a lucky thing for them that the Kyoto doesn’t actually work, or else they’d be marching in a blizzard…Posted by richard mcenroe on 02/13 at 03:43 PM • permalink
- Oh, and —
mmmmmm…. molusc steaks *gurgle*…..Posted by richard mcenroe on 02/13 at 03:46 PM • permalink
- Kaboom: “(6) Interglacial periods have “warm�? and “cold�? cycles of about 400 years. Talk to any wide-eyed believer of global warming about the “Medieval Warm Period�? from approx AD 1000 to AD 1400, and the “Little Ice Age�? from approx AD 1500 to AD 1900. The current cycle is remarkably similar to the “Medieval Warm Period�?.”
Good point! And if anyone ever argues that the “Medieval Warm Period” has never been proven, please point out to them that it has been demonstrated by evidence from two different disciplines: Historians have forever based the explorations of the Norse on the “good weather”, and have other evidence such as records of grapes grown in England (connected to a rather large wine industry in the monastaries!), etc.
The other discipline is Astronomy; An unusually long period of large numbers of sunspots is referred to as the Medieval Maximum, and the dates of that period “mysteriously” coincide with the Medieval Warm Period. Sunspots have a connection with solar flares. The exact science behind the connection is only theoretical, but the connection is certain. When you have a lot of sunspots, you have a lot of solar flares. When you have a large number of solar flares pouring tons of superheated matter into the upper atmosphere over an extended period, of COURSE that’s going to affect the climate! Geesh!
Does anyone else recall warnings a few years ago about an unusual number of solar flares endangering our communications satellites? I remember it… it was a big, hairy Crisis de Jour!
There is also Global Warming on Mars and Jupiter. Links:
Please note that the global warming on Jupiter article came from Berkeley’s own web site. Don’t those clowns ever read their own web site?Posted by mamapajamas on 02/13 at 03:47 PM • permalink
- The drum brings out the sun.
To really do the sun justice, you need a whole orchestra : drums, bugles, fifes, tubas, tambourines, tympani, but it was only a small demonstration.
Oboes bring out sunspots. Indeed, Poulenc used them to accompany a cheese course, still on my HD http://rhhardin.home.mindspring.com/poulenc.cheese.ram I assume Kyoto would reduce cheese quotas.
- As Andrea points out, mosquitoes are found all the way up to the Tundra. I saw a documentary on Hudson’s Bay in Canada where the mosquito swarms will attack a moose so that the creature will throw itself into a lake (and sometimes drown) just to get away.
The Bay’s southern shore is circa 52 degrees latitude and it extends north of where Scotland lies so the question should be why wouldn’t Scotland have mosquitoes? It isn’t the temperature.
My advice to the Scottish hippies on how to deal with the insects is from an old Boy Scout song:
If there’s a skeeter on your peter-
Wack it off! (2x)
There’s a dozen on your cousin,
Can’t you hear the f*ckers buzzin’?
If there’s a skeeter on your peter-
Wack it off!
- rhhardin — But we’re still supposed to fire muskets and cannon to drive away eclipses, right?
“Explain to me this new learning, and how pig’s bladders can be used to prevent earthquakes…”Posted by richard mcenroe on 02/13 at 05:17 PM • permalink
- I have started a new organization called CACA – campaign Against Climate Assholes.
Kyoto is a scam from start to finish. A Euro plot to emasculate Nth American industry. Why was 1990 chosen as the base date? Collapse of soviet industry, meant that united German CO2 production fell by 10% in that year. French have stagnant economy, zero population growth and mainly nuclear power stations – they don’t have to do anything to meet their targets.
Canada has stupidly signed on to a 6% cut even though we have a brutal climate and a population that has grown 30% since 1990 and an economy that has grown about the same amount over the past 15 years (strictly as a result of the out-performing US economy).
As for mozzies in the Canadian Arctic, just try paddling down the Mackenzie in summer without face mask and clothes boiled in Deet!
- How does Phil reconcile these two statements:
“…not so much because it will bring down emissions to any significant degree – it won’t…”
– and –
“..the nation whose obduracy threatens the entire global community with catastrophe on a scale never seen before.”
The first seems to cancel the second one out, I would have thought. Not a good example of clear thinking, Phil.
Well summarised … I would add some additional comments:
Any nation that foolishly signs up to Kyoto and then attempts to meet its commitments will be crippled economically.
For example, large industries in the UK have been allocated emission permits (really ration coupons) by the UK government. [We’re from the government and we will tell you how much energy you can use .. real command economy stuff!]
The bureaucracy associated with reporting within a system such as this will be horrific, let alone coping with the normal business processes of mergers, acquisitions, expansion, divestments and so on. We can only imagine what this appalling system will be like after a couple of years.
If the folly continues, there will be a whole army of bureaucrats to police the system, regulate industry and impose fines. Industry and nations will be tempted to cheat to avoid their obligations.
The end result will be a huge transfer of wealth and industry to non-Kyoto countries.
This really is stuff of the ‘Emperor’s New Suit of Clothes’ as the ‘science’ behind Kyoto has been shown to be junk and the treaty itself will achieve nothing. Perhaps that doesn’t matter because there is no need to do anything.
However the trend to command economies (as in the EU where this Kyoto treaty has been nurtured) is something that needs to be resisted and thrown on the scrap heap along with Kyoto.
- In Scotland they’ve got midgies – tiny mosquitoes that are vicious. I once went fishing with my dad on a lake in N. Scotland and we lasted 5 minutes before abandoning.
But to be fair to the moonbats I think they’re referring to malaria carrying mosquitoes emigrating further north into Europe. I’ve heard that this is happening, though I don’t know how true it is, or on what scale. Time to bring back DDT then.
- I saw the Crichton talk on C-SPAN2 as well, and it was great. It might be on again today (it has already been rerun once today.
I highly recommend his book State of Fear. I made the mistake of starting to read it at 9pm – finishing at 3am.
Best part? When a Movie-star-green-activist comes to an ugly end.
It’s the only novel I’ve ever written that has footnotes to back up the science.
- How do these people explain all the past climate changes the world has experienced?
Do they even try to explain them, or do they just ignore them and hope nobody brings it up?Posted by CJosephson on 02/13 at 07:38 PM • permalink
- It didn’t rain that much in London yesterday. But it was freezing cold. Nice irony that.Posted by Michael Jennings on 02/13 at 08:34 PM • permalink
- It is well known that high-fiber vegetarian diets increase flatulence. It’s time we start regulating the Greenies and locking up the vegans unless they agreed to at least go ovo-lacto. We should do it for the Children™!Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 02/14 at 12:50 AM • permalink
- Among the US Senators who, on July 5, 1997, voted for a resolution against signing the Kyoto treaty are:
Ted Kennedy- John Kerry- Barbara Boxer- Robert Byrd- and Tom Daschle.
Due to this vote, President Clinton did not bother to submit the treaty for ratification.
Note that John Kerry was against the Kyoto accords before he was for them.Posted by Mystery Meat on 02/14 at 02:00 AM • permalink
- I voted for burning down 100 hectares.
What’s a hectare, anyway?
(If the global left thinks not ratifying Kyoto is a shocking display of American arrogance, wait until they see my plan for international demetrification!)Posted by John Tabin on 02/14 at 05:52 AM • permalink
- kae: “Climate change on Jupiter? I bet THEY aren’t signing Kyoto!”
Nope, they’re ignoring it in a rather obnoxious way. In fact, they continue driving their SUV’s around with “Up Yours” bumper stickers, and continue working in those coal-fired UFO factories.Posted by mamapajamas on 02/16 at 04:01 PM • permalink
It did rain in London yesterday, for no more than 5 minutes in what was a passing shower, though it had been sprinkling on and off. Ratify Kyoto now lets stop the rain!