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Last updated on July 16th, 2017 at 11:42 am

An intriguing question:

Did NASA scientist James Hansen, the global warming alarmist in chief, once believe we were headed for … an ice age?

Read on.

Posted by Tim B. on 09/23/2007 at 06:56 AM
    1. Ah, Investors.com, surely the most trusted source we have for developments in science. Or the changes in opinion of scientists, in fact. Array the facts against the facts; and there are plenty of holes in Hansen’s recent arguments to go with. But these types of articles are gormless and obvious, and do nothing to broaden the debate.

      Posted by Wolves Evolve on 2007 09 23 at 07:15 AM • permalink

 

    1. What goes ‘round comes ‘round, like a rissole Rasool!

      Posted by blogstrop on 2007 09 23 at 07:18 AM • permalink

 

    1. Aiding Rasool’s research, the Post reported, was a “computer program developed by Dr. James Hansen,” who was, according to his resume, a Columbia University research associate at the time.
      My, my. Columbia remains true to form. They are in the news again for inviting Ahmajinedad (an’ ahm ok!) to speak there, and stating that they would invite Hitler too, given the opportunity.

      Posted by blogstrop on 2007 09 23 at 07:25 AM • permalink

 

    1. Ahftadinnerlad? whatever.

      Posted by blogstrop on 2007 09 23 at 07:27 AM • permalink

 

    1. Facts, wolfie? Sorry, didn’t see you there.

      Posted by blogstrop on 2007 09 23 at 07:30 AM • permalink

 

    1. Who cares whether it is global cooling caused by dust particles or global warming caused by CO2. It’s all Climate Change and…it’s…caused…by…oil!
      How many times do you wingnuts need to be told this inconvenient truth.
      Consensus reigns.

      Posted by Skeeter on 2007 09 23 at 07:31 AM • permalink

 

    1. Cooling, warming, does it really matter? The sky is falling. We’re all gonna die.

      It should have happened in the 80s, but it’s running a bit late….

      Posted by kae on 2007 09 23 at 07:50 AM • permalink

 

    1. Dunno about the sky falling, kae, but they got that last bit right.
      We definitely are all gonna die.

      Posted by Skeeter on 2007 09 23 at 07:56 AM • permalink

 

    1. However, to avoid alarming any youngsters who may be reading this, I confidently make this prediction:
      There are people alive today who will still be alive at the end of this century.

      Posted by Skeeter on 2007 09 23 at 08:04 AM • permalink

 

    1. #8
      But Skeets, not in the 1980s! All of us dying, I mean.

      Posted by kae on 2007 09 23 at 08:05 AM • permalink

 

    1. #9 Hmmm… 93 years old.

      Won’t they have all drowned because of the rising sea levels?

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 09 23 at 08:06 AM • permalink

 

    1. Sounds like three little pigs built a house of sticks…

      Posted by anthony_r on 2007 09 23 at 08:07 AM • permalink

 

    1. Yeah, Ash. Either that or stiff as boards under the ice.

      Posted by Skeeter on 2007 09 23 at 08:08 AM • permalink

 

    1. #1 Sign on the door: no wolves allowed!

      Posted by anthony_r on 2007 09 23 at 08:09 AM • permalink

 

    1. Did NASA scientist James Hansen, the global warming alarmist in chief, once believe we were headed for … an ice age?

      Scientists would believe anything if it got them attention and a nice compensation package.  Biased?  Of course.  A conflict of interest?  Certainly.

      But that doesn’t mean the West can’t cut off 1/3 of its economic productivity and transfer it to the People’s Republic of China with not one shred of benefit to the world.  Because we have to do something!

      Posted by wronwright on 2007 09 23 at 08:10 AM • permalink

 

    1. I’m not looking forward to having the money I leave to my heiress (or anyone else) spent on the heating bill Skeeter.

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 09 23 at 08:12 AM • permalink

 

    1. BTW, I hope no one thought my faux trollish comments at #6 were intended to be taken seriously.

      Posted by Skeeter on 2007 09 23 at 08:13 AM • permalink

 

    1. #17
      Don’t worry, Skeets, they’re not sending the boys over with the clue-bats.

      Posted by kae on 2007 09 23 at 08:20 AM • permalink

 

    1. That’s a relief kae! And Ash, I’m sure your little one will, at 93, be enjoying a cool mountain retreat or a warm tropical paradise — whichever is necessary for her comfort.
      Handing over to the night shift. See ya in the morning.

      Posted by Skeeter on 2007 09 23 at 08:24 AM • permalink

 

    1. Skeeter, we live in Melbourne. Either could happen… in just one day!

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 09 23 at 08:30 AM • permalink

 

    1. To paraphrase Robert Frost

      Some say the world will end in fire.
      Some say ice.
      Hansen says “Both!”

      Posted by moptop on 2007 09 23 at 08:58 AM • permalink

 

    1. They missed the obvious, he’s an intelligent, but bored man who’s decided to entertain himself by manipulating people.

      Posted by aaron_ on 2007 09 23 at 09:13 AM • permalink

 

    1. OT: Ok, I’m confused.

      There’s a documentary on the Bible showing on TV, and it’s showing the story of Abraham, and how he served a meal to God.

      He’s serving it in stainless steel bowls.

      It’s not just me who thinks that the makers of this doco don’t pay attention to detail, is it?

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 09 23 at 09:14 AM • permalink

 

    1. I agree with “wolves evolve”, it is wrong to point out how uncertain climate models can be.

      After all Hansen himself “broadened the debate” so effectively when he called those who disagree with him “jesters” unworthy to be engaged in discussion and best ignored.

      It doesn’t do any good to point out that Hansen has beclowned himself on this subject already.

      By the way, now that my irony tag is off, curtesy of Lubos Motls’ blog Here is a peer reviewed study
      which claimed that an ice age might be coming.

      You might want to keep the link around if an alarmist like this guy claims otherwise.

      Another interesting line from the study.

      although the addition of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere does increase the surface temperature, the rate of temperature increase diminishes with increasing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

      Ya think?

      Posted by moptop on 2007 09 23 at 09:16 AM • permalink

 

    1. Psssss. wanna make a quick buck?
      KRudd has been Gored. Get onto Betfair fast while the overlay is still there.

      Posted by burrah on 2007 09 23 at 10:22 AM • permalink

 

    1. #24
      This Arsehole Rasool guy seems to be an expert on arseholes aerosols?

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 09 23 at 10:26 AM • permalink

 

    1. #25 Poor Kevvie. That’d almost be a vote killer.

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 09 23 at 10:27 AM • permalink

 

    1. #26 Hee hee hee. Great one Egg_.

      Posted by Ash_ on 2007 09 23 at 10:29 AM • permalink

 

    1. OT, but I know some of you read Jules Crittenden: He pans Ken Burns’ “The War”. “The narration is often banal. The artful string music is often a distraction. Interviews are inexpertly conducted: To judge by often awkward answers, the most common question was the unhelpful “How did you feel?””

      Don’t ask a generation noted for not talking about their feelings, how they feel!

      I’ve been wondering if Burns could repeat his “The Civil War” performance. It seems not.

      Posted by Retread on 2007 09 23 at 10:44 AM • permalink

 

    1. Hansen rather glibly passed over the fact that his temperature data was shown to be flawed by a Y2K anomoly, and today’s temps are no warmer than those of the ‘20s-‘40s.

      Jester, indeed.

      Posted by Dave S. on 2007 09 23 at 11:07 AM • permalink

 

    1. I’ve seen clips and previews of The War.  I’ll be watching.

      Banal or not, NOBODY else is talking to these people.

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 09 23 at 11:08 AM • permalink

 

    1. Gotta question—if the atmosphere on Mars is all carbon dioxide, then why is it so cold there? I disbelieve in global warming.

      Posted by shimkusj on 2007 09 23 at 11:15 AM • permalink

 

    1. Global warming/cooling is all about money and influence.  Nothing else.

      Here’s a new meme:  Al Gore = Hitler in an expensive suit.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2007 09 23 at 11:17 AM • permalink

 

    1. O/T, but what the hell happened to Scott Adams?

      (Via Hot Air)

      Posted by paco on 2007 09 23 at 11:46 AM • permalink

 

    1. #33
      Al Gore = Hitler in an expansive suit?

      Posted by egg_ on 2007 09 23 at 11:46 AM • permalink

 

    1. #31

      Oh, I’ll be watching, too. Just with more trepidation than I expected.

      Nobody like Ken Burns may be talking to veterans, but veternas have been talking.

      Posted by Retread on 2007 09 23 at 11:54 AM • permalink

 

    1. Ah, Investors.com, surely the most trusted source we have for developments in science.

      Except that the article you sneer at isn’t about science, it’s about the scientist, WE.  A small distinction, but a significant one.  Scientists are only human (unlike, say, wolves), and are prone to human weakness.  Which is the point of the article in the first place: Hansen may be letting greed override his professional etchics.

      And I still find it ironic that a business publication does a better job of pointing out hypocrisy than the “news” publications like Times.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 09 23 at 12:01 PM • permalink

 

    1. paco, I don’t know about Scott Adams, except that he seems to have gone over the deep end, but what about this personal in Madrid’s El Liberal?

      Paco, Meet me at the Hotel Montana noon Tuesday. All is forgiven. PAPA

      Posted by moptop on 2007 09 23 at 01:08 PM • permalink

 

    1. Glowball Wyrming. The new Phrenology.

      These tards have the same scientific ethics as did the Nazi anthropologists of the ‘30s and ‘40s.

      Posted by Grimmy on 2007 09 23 at 01:09 PM • permalink

 

    1. Hot or cold, s’long as it brings in the grants… we really should have started suppressing Hansen a long time ago.

      Not that I have much respect for NASA on any environmental issue.  Their own ‘green’ policy killed the “Challenger” crew…

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 09 23 at 01:17 PM • permalink

 

    1. Changing your mind in science is a good thing, it’s different than politics where you have to stick to any mistake you make and pretend it’s wasn’t a mistake since otherwise you’re a flip-flopper. New evidence is found, oh well the politician has to ignore it he’s on record saying X, can’t say Y now…

      Of course in this case we have a scientist who morphed into a politician, so he’s stuffed.

      From a scientific perspective the flip is perfectly acceptable – in fact a good thing.

      Sequence is:

      1. Look at all the pollution we produce I wonder what it will do the climate.
      2. There are competing forces, we pump lots of CO2 into the atmosphere which causes warming,  we also pump lots of particulate matter into the air with blocks some of the incoming heat from the sun and hence causes cooling.
      3. We think the cooling will win and we are going to cause in ice age
      4. years pass – said cooling doesn’t happen
      5. Mmm… strange
      6. It would seem we reduced the particulate matter we pump out since it was also unpleasant to breath, so the warming will now dominate and we are going to boil the oceans.

      Of course inserting:

      3a. political scare campaigning
      6a. political scare campaigning, silencing critics, collecting as much money as possible

      makes it not so much science…

      Posted by sam on 2007 09 23 at 01:33 PM • permalink

 

    1. OT, but amusing: Official Kilogram Losing Mass

      Posted by Burbank on 2007 09 23 at 01:43 PM • permalink

 

    1. Mr research assistant,Mr. Google, says that in 1999 Rasool penned a letter about scientific responsibility in climate research. I’d give a purty to read that but it’s behind a pay wicket.

      Anybody got a subscription?

      30 seconds of googling reveals that Rasool’s model did not include clouds. Duh.

      Of course, no subsequent models do either.

      Rasool’s other collaborator in the ‘70s was S. Schneider, another name to conjure with.

      Posted by Harry Eagar on 2007 09 23 at 01:48 PM • permalink

 

    1. #34 – Paco, I think Adams is being satirical.

      Posted by Dave S. on 2007 09 23 at 01:50 PM • permalink

 

    1. Actually, Paco, after re-reading it, I’m not sure what he’s doing at all. Never mind.

      Posted by Dave S. on 2007 09 23 at 01:53 PM • permalink

 

    1. Uh oh. Ethanol from corn or rapeseed suddenly not so good at stopping the planet from reaching its greenhouse gas open-loop tipping point (due any day now, I’m sure): click.

      Posted by Crispytoast on 2007 09 23 at 02:08 PM • permalink

 

    1. Back in the mid to late 1970s when I was taking environmental science classes, the prevailing theory being taught was we were entering a new ice age.  I remember one professor explaining how U.S. farming was going to be in big trouble because the Midwest and Plains states developed as America’s Breadbasket at a time when there was an unusual warming period, and with the coming cool down, those states would no longer be able to grow wheat, corn, etc.

      But I do distinctly remember that most profs taught the ice age theory as a THEORY, not a fact, which I guess is different from how global warming is being presented today in most colleges.  It’s too bad that even the science classes have become political.

      Posted by Polly on 2007 09 23 at 02:45 PM • permalink

 

    1. Apparently, Hansen’s real expertise in climatology has to do with wind changes.

      Posted by saltydog on 2007 09 23 at 05:03 PM • permalink

 

    1. #45 Dave: LGF also confirms that Adams has gone moonbat (citing the same screed).

      Hard to figure the guy. How could someone whose insights into corporate culture are so frequently right on the money go so completely bat-shit crazy on Iran and Israel?

      Posted by paco on 2007 09 23 at 05:23 PM • permalink

 

    1. #33 & 35
      Wasn’t Hitler a vegetarian?

      Posted by kae on 2007 09 23 at 05:40 PM • permalink

 

    1. #50 Also he was kind to dogs and he was a better dancer than Churchill; Hitler was a better dresser than Churchill; Hitler was a better painter than Churchill: he could paint a whole apartment in one afternoon, two coats.

      and I’m pretty sure he would have seen the possibilities inherent in global warming

      Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 09 23 at 05:51 PM • permalink

 

    1. #38 moptop;

      Paco, Meet me at the Hotel Montana noon Tuesday. All is forgiven. PAPA

      ??!

      Hemingway isn’t dead? What, he’s been hanging out with Elvis?

      Posted by steveH on 2007 09 23 at 05:53 PM • permalink

 

    1. #51
      #50 was a joke, joyce.
      Sea bass and other prey wouldn’t be safe with AlBore.
      I’m pretty sure AlBore isn’t a vegetarian.

      Posted by kae on 2007 09 23 at 05:54 PM • permalink

 

    1. 23 Ash:

      Could’ve been worse. Abraham could have been using Tupperware. 😀

      Posted by Dr Alice on 2007 09 23 at 06:09 PM • permalink

 

    1. Hansen is just another climate change carpetbagger. He goes where he thinks he can make the most money.

      This prostitution of science is a greater threat to humanity than climate change. Thanks to Hansen and his ilk, science is now like expert witnesses in a court room. They are opinions to be bought to satisfy the short-term needs of the client. It means that science has ceased to be a tool in the advancement of mankind.

      Posted by Contrail on 2007 09 23 at 06:09 PM • permalink

 

    1. #55 Contrail:

      This prostitution of science is a greater threat to humanity than climate change.

      Ain’t that the truth.
      Gore and Rudd are even pushing for a return to Kyoto. It is difficult to believe that there is anyone out there who still believes that ratification of a failed protocol can reduce global warming climate change.
      Climate Change is a device to keep the whole farce alive until the alarmists can get some “science” out to prove Anthropogenic Global Cooling.
      Their difficulties will be in maintaining CO2 as the villain but, believe me, they will find away.
      We must keep pinning the alarmists to their previous arguments and not let them use Climate Change as a ladder to weasel out of the hole they have dug for themselves.

      Posted by Skeeter on 2007 09 23 at 06:33 PM • permalink

 

    1. Mussolini was a vegetarian too. When he was a boy, his family was so poor they never ate meat, so he never liked it.

      Toward the end,he was eating six kilos of grapes a day (according to Dennis Mack Smith, who would know). Glad I didn’t have to clean up after him.

      Posted by Harry Eagar on 2007 09 23 at 06:52 PM • permalink

 

    1. #38: Finally! Old Paco is willing to forgive me for wrecking my 1970 Plymouth Superbird. But I wonder what he’s doing in Spain?

      Posted by paco on 2007 09 23 at 07:17 PM • permalink

 

    1. Far too late in the thread, but I was interested to see in, of all things, the ABC’s Gardening show – which sounds a relentless drumbeat of catastrophic AGW – an interview with the current director of Melbourne’s Royal Botanic Gardens.  This guy used to do botany in Antarctica, and when the interviewer asked him what, if any, plants grow there, he replied that he was a palaeobotanist, studying the fossil remains of the forests which used to cover Antarctica.  Interesting.

      Posted by cuckoo on 2007 09 23 at 08:26 PM • permalink

 

    1. At the end of the day, Dr Hansen may be able to claim that, on average, he was right.

      Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 09 24 at 02:29 AM • permalink

 

    1. You just can’t compare Hitler to Jabba-the-Hutt.
      Hitler was a vegetarian atheist.
      Jabba will eat, and does eat, everything, and worships the cult of greenbacks Gaia and Global Warming Climate Change.

      Posted by kae on 2007 09 24 at 05:27 AM • permalink

 

    1. #51 The Producers, right?

      Posted by Dean Douthat on 2007 09 24 at 11:57 AM • permalink

 

  1. Investors Business Daily claims Hansen was funded by George Soros.

    Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2007 09 25 at 01:25 AM • permalink