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“The days of trying to move the Democratic Party to the right are over,” argues Michael Moore, citing some impressive numbers:

�Total members of Move On: More than 2,000,000
�Total Attendance at Vote for Change Concerts: An estimated 280,000
�Total Union Members in U.S.: Around 16,000,000
�Total Number of People Who Have Seen �Fahrenheit 9/11�: Over 50 million
�Total number of you reading this: Perhaps 10 million or more

Er, Mike … total number of people who voted for George W. Bush: 60,645,844. Malcolm Mackerras is still recovering.

Posted by Tim B. on 12/15/2004 at 01:25 AM
    1. “The days of trying to move the Democratic Party to the right are over”

      And look what Mikey and his pals have accomplished.  They’ve lost control of both houses of Congress, the White House, the Supreme Court and the majority of state legislatures and governorships.

      They’ve accomplished what no Republican Party politician ever could—turning the GOP into the natural party of government in the U.S.

      Posted by Bruce Rheinstein on 2004 12 15 at 02:40 AM • permalink


    1. Are they really basing their support on stereotypes? One of my favorite bands performed in a “Kerry Koncert,” I would’ve attended if it wasn’t on the Left Coast (I’m in NYC). I am a member of a union (DC 1707) and helped a friend organize his theater. I have read Moore’s site before, not lately though. I have seen �Fahrenheit 9/11.� despite all that, I voted for President Bush. No wonder they can’t seem to win.

      Posted by ccs178 (Chris) on 2004 12 15 at 03:38 AM • permalink


    1. Total number of people who think Michael Moore is big, fat and stupid: Almost everybody.

      Posted by Easycure on 2004 12 15 at 03:39 AM • permalink


    1. Let’s play more of the MM game.
      Total number of calories MM consumes during a 24 hour period…..
      Total number of cotton fibers used to make MM’s clothes…..
      Total number of square feet that would be covered if MM was squashed to a one inch thickness…..
      Total number of BTU’s available if MM was converted to a useful energy source…..
      Total number of champagne bottles used at MM’s launching…..

      Posted by bc on 2004 12 15 at 04:01 AM • permalink


    1. Michael needs to brush up on his scientific method. I am not just conservative, but a religious conservative, that breed that makes even some neocons and moderates blanch. And I also am a member of MoveOn.org, mainly because I wanted to get their emails to read firsthand the idiocy. I’ve also seen Bowling for Columbine, and will likely see Fahrenheit 9/11, because I want my views on them to be based on fact. I’ve even shown Bowling in my classes, as a discussion starter (goes over really well here in rural Alabama). My brother-in-law is as if not more conservative than me and he’s a union member – as a welder in a closed shop, he has no other choice; he’s not happy about it. So I can confidently say that Moore’s numbers aren’t a true count of his committed fellow believers. But then, we don’t expect rigor or truth from him anyway. How do you know something’s a lie? Michael Moore said it.

      Posted by susannac on 2004 12 15 at 04:13 AM • permalink


    1. Chris, re: stereotypes.

      Yup. Teamster, Democrat, feminist, blue-stater, Springsteen fan, and Bush voter here.

      May my party relegate the Mooreites to the fringes where they belong, ASAP.

      Posted by SR on 2004 12 15 at 04:19 AM • permalink


    1. Ohpleaseohpleaseohplease, oh PLEASE go left! Two years from now the GOP will have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, and by ‘08 the Dems will be staring at a McGovern-Mondale-Dukakis style debacle.

      *diabolical laughter*

      �Total number of you reading this: Perhaps 10 million or more

      10 million? The Fat Bastard’s ego is boundless, no?

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2004 12 15 at 04:22 AM • permalink


    1. What person in his or her right mind listens to anything Michael Moonbat has to say anyway?

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2004 12 15 at 04:45 AM • permalink


    1. “Look at the poor souls who voted for this nonsense. They are working for six dollars an hour if they are working at all, their children are dying overseas and suffering from lack of health care and a depleted environment and a shoddy education.”

      Did 10 million read and approve this message as well?

      “Suffering for a depleted environment” indeed.

      Posted by rexie on 2004 12 15 at 04:47 AM • permalink


    1. There is the distinct possibility that by moving any further left they will become a grease spot on the left wall of the Cosmos. Ouch!

      Posted by Dorian on 2004 12 15 at 05:20 AM • permalink


    1. Mikey shouldn’t count all 50 million Fahrenheit 9/11 viewers as supporters. A fair whack didn’t buy it and/or were just satisfying their curiosity.

      Posted by Big Johnny on 2004 12 15 at 05:25 AM • permalink


    1. Y’know, I dislike MM as much as anybody, but I’m getting tired of seeing the stupid fat jokes about him.  Is that the limit of his critics’ wit and intellect?  Yeah, the guy looks like a big slob, but it’s beneath us to make that a primary point of attack and mockery.  His ideas are much riper for ridicule.

      Posted by Anne Haight on 2004 12 15 at 05:26 AM • permalink


    1. The problem is that out of the 10 million who are supposedly reading his web site, 9.99 million are laughing their butts off at it, shaking their heads, and voting Republican.

      I love the smell of Mikey’s self-delusion early in the morning.

      Imperial Keeper

      Posted by Elizabeth Imperial Keeper on 2004 12 15 at 05:28 AM • permalink


    1. After hearing Moore’s somewhat level-headed reflection on the election results on Leno, I was almost starting to muster a shred of respect for the poor, confused man.

      But no sooner had he dragged his grotesque lumpiness from the Tonight Show stage did he launch into yet another tiresome conspiracy theory-laden rant on his website, this one fueled by a tinfoil-hatted fan.

      His career owes everything to George W. Bush and the easy target he provides to hacks like Moore. He should treat the man with a little more respect.

      Posted by Nash Kato on 2004 12 15 at 06:10 AM • permalink


    1. “we need to recognize that we are the victims… of verbal, mental, and even, in the case of Iraq, physical violence.”

      So typical of Mike and his minion… the perpetual victims.
      Absolutely no sense of self accountability and filled with the inherent need to ALWAYS make it someone else’s fault.

      Posted by Emily on 2004 12 15 at 06:16 AM • permalink


    1. “Teamster, Democrat, feminist, blue-stater, Springsteen fan, and Bush voter here.”

      Until I went away to college I never knew anyone who was NOT a Liberal Democrat. (I’m from Massachusetts.) People I’m related to worked on JFK’s (the *real* one) campaigns for senate and president as well as Tip O’Neil’s.

      Liberal and Democrat are not pejoratives among the people I know.  Most of my family are still registered Democrats. However, many of them voted for Bush.

      They feel the Democratic Party has been taken over by a bunch of Lefties that are anything but Liberal. The candidates, except for Lieberman, fielded by the Dems. this year did not address their issues and they are very upset that people like MM, with his hate America mind-set, are going to ruin the party for some time to come.

      I’m an Independent and have no loyalty to any one party. I vote the issues and the people. Although I have no party affiliation, I do WANT to have more than one strong political party in the US. It’s not good for the country to have ONE party controlling everything.

      No matter how well meaning a political party may be, if it thinks there’s no competition it will get lazy. It disturbs me greatly to see people like MM just continuing to dig the Democrat’s grave.

      Clinton had his faults but he did realize the Dems. had to play to the center to get votes. I wonder why today’s Dems. can’t see that?

      Posted by CJosephson on 2004 12 15 at 06:19 AM • permalink


    1. Union membership is often not an option when employed in a ‘closed shop’, and there are certainly Republican union members.  I am a member of MoveOn, despite being so right wing as to make W look like a commissar (actually I’m a liberal in the true sense – Ayn Rand type).  No doubt I’m not the only MoveOn member only there to keep tabs.  Their 2 million members include more than a few foes.

      Posted by genghis on 2004 12 15 at 06:22 AM • permalink


    1. I still haven’t seen Fahrenheit 9/11. Is it any good?

      Posted by harry hutton on 2004 12 15 at 06:33 AM • permalink


    1. Nah, it’s fatuous propaganda crap.

      I haven’t seen it either.

      Posted by jlc on 2004 12 15 at 06:59 AM • permalink


    1. Moore realizes that there is a movement inside the Democrats to move away from the lunatic fringe and screwballs like himself. This is his battle cry to defend his stature (sat next to Jimmah, you know) and influence (General Wes was his man) from the likes of the DLC and more rational dems. It won’t work.

      Posted by Scaramonga on 2004 12 15 at 07:02 AM • permalink


    1. The only part of F9/11 I liked was when the flying robots attack Manhattan and Jude Law saves the day. That was totally cool.

      Posted by Aarrgghh on 2004 12 15 at 07:13 AM • permalink


    1. I joined MoveOn.org back when they were a non-partisan anti-Ken-Starr thing. Later, when they became non-partisan yellow-dog Democrats, I tried to un-join, but that wasn’t an option. All I could do was change my “preferences” so they wouldn’t send me email any more. So for all I know, I’m still in their database, years later. How do they count members, exactly?

      I’m sorry Mike Moore’s a victim of “mental violence”. Poor Mike, who’d never hurt a mental fly! I’m sure I have a tiny little mental violin around here somewhere…

      Posted by Aarrgghh on 2004 12 15 at 07:30 AM • permalink


    1. OT

      Tim, congrats for well-deserved winning of 2004 Weblog Award Winners Oz/NZ catergory

      Posted by jlc on 2004 12 15 at 07:32 AM • permalink


    1. 6990 views?

      That’s really very many views. Many.

      Posted by Tony.T on 2004 12 15 at 08:35 AM • permalink


    1. Now it’s 7015.

      Did I really express 25 views? Or is the View-Counter the one Phillip Adams uses from Iraq?

      Posted by Tony.T on 2004 12 15 at 08:38 AM • permalink


    1. Moore continues:  “We lost a very close election (a one-state difference) by running the #1 liberal in the Senate. Not bad.”

      Let’s not lose sight of that.  It’s not like Moore has to be the one to move the party into a viable position for 2008.

      Posted by Curtis on 2004 12 15 at 10:38 AM • permalink


    1. And doesn’t MM piss you all off!?

      Keep talking about his weight because the truth is sooooo cumbersome.

      How many good ‘ol boys died today in Iraq?

      I’m loving this war of terror

      Posted by Rachel on 2004 12 15 at 11:30 AM • permalink


    1. i predict a short stay for rachel at this site.

      Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2004 12 15 at 11:53 AM • permalink


    1. That view counter is psycho. Meanwhile, the main counter is shedding numbers like Mark Latham. I have no idea what the hell is going on.

      Posted by tim on 2004 12 15 at 12:08 PM • permalink


    1. Rachel, Michael Moore is a liar.

      A fat liar today, maybe a skinny liar in some alternate universe but always a liar.

      Posted by Roberts on 2004 12 15 at 12:22 PM • permalink


    1. Gee Rachel I don�t know, probably not as many as those who died today in New York or Sydney or London or Taiwan.

      There�s a good chance however that people who died in these other places – probably just died for nothing.

      Posted by Dorian on 2004 12 15 at 12:34 PM • permalink


    1. And doesn’t MM piss you all off!?

      If Ol Tub O’Guts wants to make a complete fool of himself, eat himself into an early grave, and lie down with dogs, hey, it’s a free country.

      None of us takes him seriously enough to let him piss us off. Mostly we just sit in awe of the spectacle and laugh at the lunacy.

      I’m loving this war of terror

      Might we soon be privileged to see you on the evening news standing defiantly in the path of an Abrams M1A2 in Fallujah? We’d enjoy that. You’d be the 2nd rachel to amuse us.

      Posted by Scaramonga on 2004 12 15 at 01:30 PM • permalink


    1. Oh Rachel. So easy to delete your membership. So easy to ban your IP. Tempt me!

      Posted by Andrea Harris on 2004 12 15 at 01:33 PM • permalink


    1. Okay, Miss Rachel’s acount has been suspended until she learns some manners.

      Posted by Andrea Harris on 2004 12 15 at 01:38 PM • permalink


    1. How many good ‘ol boys died today in Iraq?

      As if that’s why the left is against the attempted re-alignment of the middle-east.

      Y’all love totalitarians.

      Is that good ol boy nuff’ fer ya?

      Posted by Thomas on 2004 12 15 at 01:41 PM • permalink


    1. Count me in as another independent voter dismayed by the Democratic Party’s decision to marginalize itself into a minority party.  Dammit, I want a viable alternative!

      As for why they don’t realize that they have to play to the center, it’s because they think they ARE the center.  I have enough Kerry-voting friends to know that they think all their delusions are obvious truths that every American who hasn’t got a beer can in one hand and a Bible in the other can see.  They have no idea how Bush keeps winning, and it makes them angrier and more despairing each time.  I lost one friendship for good and kept some others through a resolution to keep my mouth shut after that on the day after the election; they were BANANAS.  They really thought that Bush was going to put all the gays and atheists into camps and make porn illegal and institute the death penalty for abortions.  And these are people I was originally drawn to for their wit, perspective, and rational intelligence.

      I don’t know what the hell it is about George W. Bush that makes ninety percent of otherwise normal people go completely insane, either with worship or hatred, but it’s certainly impressive.

      Posted by LabRat on 2004 12 15 at 02:13 PM • permalink


    1. C’mon folks, Rachel might be misguided, but censorship is not the answer. It leaves us open to accusations of being thought police …

      Posted by Big Johnny on 2004 12 15 at 02:15 PM • permalink


    1. Oh please.

      Posted by Andrea Harris on 2004 12 15 at 02:16 PM • permalink


    1. No one’s trying to stop Rachel from saying anything. She just can’t say it here. Damme, boy, do I have to email you a dictionary?

      Posted by Andrea Harris on 2004 12 15 at 02:16 PM • permalink


    1. Yep.  Trade 61 million to win 2 million.

      NOW do you see why it’s a bad idea to let Democrats play with the economy?

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2004 12 15 at 02:19 PM • permalink


    1. Harry Hutton � I’ve seen F9/11.  It’s shit on stale bread being passed off as chipped beef on toast.  It’s supposed to be good for you but man does it stink.

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2004 12 15 at 02:24 PM • permalink


    1. Andrea H :

      I wouldn’t have banned her.
      Your blog, your rules.
      But, as I said, I wouldn’t have banned her. And I’m even going to take my Hubris in my hand and suggest you re-consider.

      I’ve had to do this kind of muck-clearing of comment lists over at The Command Post. Rachel tried to be poisonously offensive, and succeeded. Had she expressed the same views in less deliberately obnoxious terms, Andrea wouldn’t have had to intervene.

      As an off-the-wall suggestion, I think anyone banned from commenting should be allowed back if they pay a suitable fine via PayPal – proceeds to Andrea. This could be considered bribery, but I prefer “user pays for being obnoxious if they want to continue”. Andrea sets the scale on an individual basis, based on severity of the offence. She’s the one who has to wade through the crap, after all. Been there, done that.

      Hmm… must suggest using this over at TCP…

      Posted by Zoe Brain on 2004 12 15 at 02:53 PM • permalink


    1. Old joke – I heard that when MM’s shadow fell on a dog that it killed it.

      Posted by zzx375 on 2004 12 15 at 02:56 PM • permalink


    1. The further left they go, the more people they will find on their right.

      Posted by Dave on 2004 12 15 at 03:05 PM • permalink


    1. I’ll unsuspend her if she learns some manners. That will take an apology (that’s right) emailed to either myself or Tim, for being nasty. Yes, aebrain, if she’d been a little politer I wouldn’t have turned off her access. (For the record, “suspended” means I keep the member info in the list, but access to posting comments is turned off.)

      She also left a rather distasteful comment in another post, but I just went and deleted it, as it was rather pointless and added nothing to the conversation.

      By the way—apropos of nothing—Pmachine has this ability to censor foul language. That would render most comments here nothing but a series of asterisks (including mine) but it would also rob certain trolls of one of their favorite weapons, kind of like removing the stink glands from a skunk.

      Posted by Andrea Harris on 2004 12 15 at 03:23 PM • permalink


    1. Andrea

      I agree with Alan.  One of the greatest assets the Right has is the poisonous, insane moonbat attitude of the Left.  I say “Let the blood run free!”.

      If she uses offensive language or makes offensive remarks, then ban her.  If she’s doesn’t, then simply let her hang herself.

      Posted by murph on 2004 12 15 at 03:28 PM • permalink


    1. For what it’s worth, I favor the quick banning of trolls.

      A troll’s goal is to be offensive and disruptive, not to express an unpopular opinion or engage in legitimate discussion.

      The very term troll is derived from “trolling for victims.” For most trolls it is a game, a wierd form of recreation.

      And then there are the “psycho trolls.”

      Posted by Bruce Rheinstein on 2004 12 15 at 04:16 PM • permalink


    1. Has anyone read the ‘testimony’ by the friend of his, who tries to claim that every American citizen is treated like a battered wife? I would agree with whoever said earlier that Moore was apparently becoming more rational – clearly now, however, he has regressed to ‘Moonbat.’ Repubs., you can look forward to a few more years in power yet.

      Posted by Steve on 2004 12 15 at 04:51 PM • permalink


    1. Bruce, thanks for posting a link that sent me to a page with a delightful fellatio pic!

      Posted by Quentin George on 2004 12 15 at 05:26 PM • permalink


    1. Sorry, but I can’t resist one more fat joke…

      “The days of trying to move the Democratic Party to the right are over,” argues Michael Moore

      After his recent string of rational post-election comments, I guess he found himself occupying the entire space to the right of the Democratic Party…

      Posted by PW on 2004 12 15 at 05:59 PM • permalink


    1. that michael moore fellow is rather overweight.

      Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2004 12 15 at 06:21 PM • permalink


    1. Anne & Co

      I think it’s poignant to talk about Fat Mike’s Fatness for two reasons:

      1.  To paraphrase PJ: Fatboy never skipped a meal due to the injustices of the system he loathes

      2.  The sort of people who sneer at Americans for being obese (and by extension greedy and lazy), seem to be the sort of people who think of the fat pie thieving bastard as some kind of Messianic role model.

      Posted by murph on 2004 12 15 at 07:10 PM • permalink


    1. Moore is fat and slovenly on purpose.  That is his corporate branding, regular joe 6… er… 24-pack, and what not.  Who are we to take that away from him?

      Posted by Sortelli on 2004 12 15 at 07:44 PM • permalink


    1. ohmygosh, a Sortelli sighting! 😮

      Posted by PW on 2004 12 15 at 10:08 PM • permalink


    1. Does he honestly think that everyone who went to the hate-fest gigs actually votes Democratic? Or even gives a donkeys about the politics involved for that matter.

      Posted by Andrew Ian Dodge on 2004 12 16 at 12:25 AM • permalink


    1. Michael Moore is a “weight challenged”, lying slob who is continuing his career of separating scads of money from leftwing moonbats by telling them what they want to hear.

      Rachel, izzat any better, or did you want me to hug the S.O.B?

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2004 12 16 at 06:01 AM • permalink


    1. Calling Michael Moore an ambulatory grease trap is a way of engaging his arguments at the most appropriate level.

      For the irony-impaired, including Rachel, calling Michael Moore silly names and ridiculing his physical appearance shouts “Your dishonest, disingenuous, fatuous arguments are less worthy of commentary than your lack of personal hygiene and compulsive consumption of Hardee’s Thickburgers and Hostess Twinkies.”

      /earnestness mode

      Posted by tongueboy on 2004 12 16 at 06:36 AM • permalink


    1. Rachel’s idiocy is turning me on.

      Posted by Quentin George on 2004 12 16 at 07:54 AM • permalink


    1. Quentin, I posted to a page that’s safe for work.  Don’t blame me if you wandered into a porn patch!

      Posted by Bruce Rheinstein on 2004 12 16 at 02:53 PM • permalink


  1. I got talking to a very nice but batty woman in the pub the other night who was horrified I was a Bush supporter. She enjoined me to watch F9/11. I in turn pointed her to Dave Kopel’s site where he forensically disassembles the pinguid poltroon’s magnum opus. She was less than gruntled when I started mocking Kerry. Particular umbrage was taken when I called him the worst Democratic candidate since George McGovern. My glee was unseemly and distasteful, but very, very enjoyable.

    Posted by David Gillies on 2004 12 17 at 06:03 AM • permalink