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Last updated on June 15th, 2017 at 12:47 pm
Headlines via Google News:
From Nazi Germany to the balcony of St Peter’s—Sydney Morning Herald
Nazi Pope: Joseph Ratzinger—Conspiracy Planet. Story contains this: “A well-informed author on the topic of the Vatican, is reportedly coming out with a well put together book, showing that the late Pope John Paul 2nd worked for the Nazi Gestapo in Poland during World War Two. He rounded up Polish Resistance Fighters and turned them over to the Nazis who had them shot, so the book contends.”
New Pope’s Nazi link worries Israeli Jews—Hindustan Times, via AP. Story neither quotes nor names any worried Israelis.
Pope was in Hitler Youth—The Age. That’s the headline captured by Google; it’s since been changed by The Age to “Local Jews dismiss Pope’s Nazi link”.
In Germany, mood is hardly one of celebration—The Independent. Much sadness: “Liberal Germany reacted with a collective sigh of dismay yesterday to the news of Cardinal Ratzinger’s election as the first German pope for more than 400 years.”
New Pope’s Past Leaves Some Jews Uneasy—WBAL. The only Jew quoted in the story, Art Abramson, the leader of the Baltimore Jewish Council, isn’t left uneasy at all: “I discovered that this is a man who has been a great friend to the Jewish people and was instrumental in ensuring that there would be reconciliation with the Jews and that Israel would receive full diplomatic recognition from the Vatican.” But teenagers in Philadelphia are acting like journalists or something:
Students left the school telling each other “the new pope is a Nazi.”
Among other reactions, here’s Ken Parish:
The Catholic Church, which I joined full of hope and incomplete piety in the mid-1980s, will continue to be predominantly a force for evil …
And from the kids at Daily Kos:
It’s a great day to be a Nazi.
… we didn’t start this war, that f***ing Nazi did. People can pray all they want for their church and the antichrist who has just taken over.
If you’re not IRATE, you’re not paying attention. What’s worse, attacking a sovereign country that was no threat to anyone and killing a hundred thousand innocent people while making the rest of the world hate you even more, or telling A BILLION CATHOLICS THAT CONDOMNS CAUSE AIDS!?????!!!!?!?! F** the Roman Catholic Church.
“Condomns” are condemned condoms; precisely that which the Pope advocates! Over at The Guardian, Ratzinger’s Reich is hailed by all:
This guy, Ratzinger, oozes nothing but ambition and moral arrogance. God help us all.
I’ll certainly sleep better tonght knowing that a former Hitler Youth will be lording over the world’s 1.1bn Catholics.
If this panzer cardinal is now to be known as the panzer pope, one would assume he shall be using a local Italian tank on the religious front – a machine widely known for its swift retreat.
He has a wonderful cadaverous pallor..how fitting.
Send some vicious and hatefilled correspondance to our dear Church Leaders – God bless public domain email lists.
Lovely…just what the world needs…another religious right winger.
As we glide back to the 12th century with a Hitler youth leader at the helm, I cringe.
Bush in the White House, Wolfowitz at the World Bank, Blair in No 10, Ratzinger in the Vatican… Can anyone think of any more obnoxious right wing extremists currently ruling the world? This just defies optimism. Fuck fuck fuck.
Can anyone think of any more obnoxious right wing extremists currently ruling the world? This just defies optimism.
Right wing child abusers are thrilled.
this just further prooves that there is no god.
Once a Nazi, always a Nazi.
Any little choirboys in his closet?
This man is Evil! I felt no love, compassion, understanding from JPII; this ex-Nazi is far worse.
This will lead to millions of deaths if the Catholic church does not take action.
(Via J.F. Beck)
“The Catholic Church, which I joined full of hope and incomplete piety in the mid-1980s, will continue to be predominantly a force for evil…”
What exactly is Ken saying here? That he’s disappointed that the evil force he willingly joined in the mid-eighties will remain malevolent?
Surely, when one joins an evil sect, one does so in the devout hope that it won’t spontaneously start doing charitable works.
- I’m not a big Ratzinger fan, but watching the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the left makes it somewhat worth it.Posted by Aging Gamer on 04/20 at 12:04 PM • #
- Because, Rexie, the left’s idea of ‘tolerance’ is thou shalt accept our viewpoint, and alter your own suitably.
They cannot understand that a person can thoughtfully reject homosexuality, abortion and so many other basic tenets of leftist philosophy. To leftists these are sacred truths.
They also cannot simply accept it. Their (and you’ll forgive me for sounding like David Marr) innate reaction to respectful disagreement will always be to try to destroy those who do not share their ideology.
Theirs is not a philosophy of peaceful co-existence.
- Mr Righty
You put me in mind of the following paragraph in Roger Scruton’s provocative essay in last week’s Spectator – http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php?id=5980&page=1
Around 1963 the philosopher Michael Polanyi presented his theory of ‘moral inversion’, according to which disapproval once directed at an activity may become directed instead at the people who still disapprove of it. By moral inversion we protect ourselves from our previous beliefs and from the guilt of discarding them. Moral inversion has infected the debate about sexual inversion to the point of silencing it. To suggest that it would be better if children were not exposed to homosexuality or encouraged to think of it as normal, that the gay scene is not the innocent thing that it claims to be but a form of sexual predation — to make those suggestions now, however hesitantly, is to lay yourself open to the charge of ‘homophobia’. And this will spell the end of your career in any place, such as a university, which has freedom of opinion as its guiding purpose. In this area, as in so many others, the ruling principle of liberalism applies; namely, all opinions are permitted, so long as they are liberal.
- Really, simply amazing paranoia. The Kos guy continues the great Kos tradition of winning arguments through the use of punctuation marks (and isn’t that cute, he used an exclamation point or question mark for each point of IQ). And from the Guardian? Why will “right wing” child abusers be thrilled? Are “left wing” child abusers indignant? And the embittered fellow who still wonders how he lost that spelling bee in grade school, no doubt after praying for days to win:”This just further prooves that there is no god” . If you’re known by the company you keep, maybe you’re also known by the characters you annoy; so far, Your Holiness, so good.
- He’s too German/not enough Chinese for Yoda, eyes are way too sunken back.Posted by Aging Gamer on 04/20 at 12:19 PM • #
- Does anyone else find it bizarre that the people screaming about someone who was forced—as a child, under the threat of death—to work for the Nazi military are largely the same people who:
o Object to removing the truly fascist dictatorship in Iraq.
o Fret endlessly that the fascist dictatorship in Syria might be removed.
o In many cases express open admiration and support for Sen. Byrd, who joined the Klan as an adult, under no duress, and who has been very coy about what, exactly, he did while in the Klan.
Fer crissake, a 14-year-old forced to build tank barriers and lug ammunition isn’t a Nazi. He’s a VICTIM of the Nazis; if he had refused, he likely would have ended up in a ditch with a bullet in his head.Posted by Rob Crawford on 04/20 at 12:22 PM • #
- Rob, I’ve long ago given up expecting anything besides bizarre irrelevencies from that crowd.
The latest story line is that young Ratzinger failed to single-handedly wipe out the Nazi menace while situated in a German secondary school – the perfect spot to surreptitiously bring the whole thing down around so-called “Mr. Hitler’s” ears!
Therefore he is not suited to be the Pope.
WWCD? (What Would Chutch Do?)
- Oh come on, we all know that if those commentators had been fourteen-year-olds in Nazi Germany, they would have bravely resisted TO THE DEATH, DAMN IT!
(But seriously, does anyone think JPII would have made Ratzinger a right-hand man if he really had been a Nazi? They keep forgetting that this guy didn’t exactly come out of nowhere).
- According to the excellent Steve Sailer, (Read the whole thing)
Catholic World News reported last August:
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger said in an interview released on Wednesday that Turkey should seek to join Islamic nations rather than attempt to join the European Union. The prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith told France’s Le Figaro magazine that Turkey had always been “in permanent contrast to Europe,” and that it should look to its roots for closer associations.
“In the course of history, Turkey has always represented a different continent, in permanent contrast to Europe,” Ratzinger told the magazine, noting that the history of Ottoman Empire, which once invaded Europe as far as Vienna. “Making the two continents identical would be a mistake,” he said. “It would mean a loss of richness, the disappearance of the cultural to the benefit of economics.” The born cardinal said Turkey “could try to set up a cultural continent with neighboring Arab countries and become the leading figure of a culture with its own identity.”
What a genius. Based on that alone I think it’s worth signing up as an honorary Catholic despite not believing in God. Ratzinger’s virtually the only elected leader in Europe who understands the problem and has the balls to stand up and call it. And what’s more, he has popular support. This is about the smartest thing the Catholics could have done as a recruiting drive.
European youth have had to come face to face with gangs of Muslim youth who rape, pillage and murder without punishment and call for instant backup via SMS whenever they are threatened. Watch for them to start sporting crosses (in addition to the LoNSDale shirts) – because as it stands about the only official who understands both their problems and how to defeat them is Ratzinger and the Queen of Denmark. And the Queen ain’t elected.
He obviously knows that Islam is at its heart antithetical to Western civilisation and that you can’t fight it with reform, only with strong borders and vigilance to get Muslims off our soil by any means necessary – convert, isolate, deport or kill. He understands that the only way Islam has ever achieved anything of consequence is by plundering, which is why there is irony thicker than molasses dripping from this phrase: “[Turkey] could try to set up a cultural continent with neighboring Arab countries and become the leading figure of a culture with its own identity.” He knows full well they’ve had 1400 years to try and invent something more advanced than algebra. Good luck with that.
As the Pope, he is in the perfect position to advocate Western families start up a family now as opposed to later, despite the cost. It’s for a higher cause – to not be outbred in our own countries. That, rather than a focus on abortion is the biggest solution to our problems. If he can couple the birth strategy with a determination to fight, we can defeat anything the Muslim horde will throw at us.
I just hope he encourages deportation rather than forced conversion, as the last time they tried that both Jews and Muslims just went underground in Spain (the beachhead of earlier Muslim invasion in Europe) leading to the necessity (but PR disaster) of the Spanish Inquisition.
Perhaps during the forced deportation of Turks and Moroccans through the desert we could let them starve and die of thirst the way the Turks did to 1.5 million Armenians (who now, coincidentally I’m sure, love the Pope).
Ratzinger shames president Bush and all the immigration loving leaders of the West, who have called Islam the “Religion of Peace” without reading a single verse of the Koran on their own. (I guess Bush is still a million times better than Kerry. You go to war with the elected officials you have.)
- This will lead to millions of deaths if the Catholic church does not take action.
What the hell?!?! How?!?!?Posted by Quentin George on 04/20 at 04:03 PM • #
- Cardinal Rob Read said in an interview released on Wednesday that the UK should seek to join Anglosphere nations rather than attempt to join the European Union. The prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Gaming told France’s Le Figaro magazine that The UK had always been “in permanent contrast to Europe,�? and that it should look to its roots for closer associations.
- News Ltd’s Bruce Wilson:
‘The son of a Bavarian policeman, Benedict was recruited to the Hitler Youth when he was 14—a membership he says was compulsory.’
‘His father … was an anti-Nazi whose attempts to rein in Adolf Hitler’s brown shirts forced the family to move home several times. … He joined Hitler Youth aged 14, shortly after membership was made compulsory in 1941.’
- Anyone else notice he looks a bit like Yoda?
Actually, the one I heard him compared to on radio today was Emperor Palpatine, which for those opposed to the pope will probably become a more fashionable line, since his first papal statements will probably be coming out around the time that Episode III of Star Wars hits the theaters.
- I’m not a Catholic, never been one and disgaree with a lot of things the Catholics do (Must be my Protestant heritage 🙂 but some of the things the MSM and other bile-laden spleeners are going on with is down-right disgraceful.
Yes he was in the Hitlerjugend, but had no choice in the matter. Saying he is a Nazi simply because he was born in Germany would be the same as saying all Americans must be Republicans because their is a Republican president there.
And the outrage being flung around because the Catholic Church had the audacity to elect a *gasp* ‘conservative’ Pope is bordering on hysterical. Too many of these people seem to think they are God when it comes to moral issue, their word is final and if any disagree with them then they must be evil. Oh wait, isn’t that what they are accusing the Catholic Church of?
- I can’t see why there is such a focus on the bloody pontiff, from both the left and the right. What possible impact could the pope have on the daily lives of Australian families, religious or not? Why should we care who occupies the velvet-lined halls of the Vatican? I am sick of fucking hearing about it. Ratzie’s not a bloody Nazi, and no amount of jumping up and down about it will convince me that his appointment has any relevance outside of the upper eschelons of the catholic church.
- I have just this moment – by the power of my arrogant mind alone! – created a new organization called “Liberals for Racism” and have registered all liberal commentators in it.
Sorry libs, nothing you can do about it now; you’ve already been registered. Try to live that down for the next 50 years.
Bloody racists, joining a group like that. You deserve the scorn that will follow.Posted by localharbor on 04/20 at 07:16 PM • #
- I’ll tell ya one thing… it’s a bitch trying to goose-step in a cassock. This Nazi thing will never catch on…Posted by richard mcenroe on 04/20 at 08:07 PM • #
- I sort of agree with nwab here. (Shocking, isn’t it.)
It’s really quite funny how many people who likely haven’t spoken to a devout Catholic in their lifetime are outraged about the selection of Pope Benedict XVI. It’s like they’re scared of the Church, despite not being in any way under its power. Tsk tsk. So little self-esteem that they just can’t graciously allow a club they’re not a member of to choose its own leader?
Well, I guess since these are largely the same people who think Bushrove will personally throw them into the Gulag any minute now, it’s not too surprising.
- When I was a young, naive uni student I was a member of resistance (socialist youth organization).
Does that make me a communist?Posted by niobium2000 on 04/20 at 08:41 PM • #
- I think you’re all missing the point. The new pope is German. Hitler was German. Therefore, any German pope is like Hitler. We cannot select Hitlers to be popes.
Also we can’t elect:
– Americans because they’re all Bushes
– Aussies because of Howard
– British because Blair, King John, the Black Prince
– China because of Mao Zedong, oh strike that, he was a Commie, he’s OK
– Russian because of Ivan the Terrible
A Frenchman is fine although he would likely surrender the Vatican to a squad of gaily festooned Swiss Guards mistaken for invading forces.Posted by wronwright on 04/20 at 09:21 PM • #
- wronwright — That would be ironic, since the French brought Swiss mercenaries to Italy in the first place…Posted by richard mcenroe on 04/20 at 09:38 PM • #
- A good rule of thumb in the blogisphere is that the first person to use the “n-word” automatically loses an argument. Pope Benedict XVI, had the match before it even started.Posted by Craig Ranapia (OtherPundit) on 04/20 at 11:57 PM • #
- craigo :
And Benedict XVI is more properly Bavarian, which is sorta kinda like to Germany as Scotland is to Britain.
Quick Hostorical Recap:
At the time of AH’s birth, Bavaria was a kingdom within the Prussian Empire, just as Austria was a Kingdom within the Austria-Hungarian empire. (To be consistent, If B16 is German, AH was Austria-Hungarian). Of course, now much of East Prussia is Polish, the rest Russian, but I digress.
Later, Bavaria became part of Germany, and later still, so did Austria for a while (AH’s doing). Bavaria came within a hair’s breadth of being split from Germany post-1945, as Austria was.
Currently, Austria’s an independant country, and Bavaria’s a Land or State within the Bundesrepublik Deutschland, the Federal Republic of Germany.
Either situation may change in the future, possible within our lifetimes. I doubt it, but it may.
- I dont think we can fully understand the Hitler Youth situation from our time. I saw a series of indepth interviews with adults who had been children in Nazi Germany – one had been expelled from Hitler Youth because he was one quarter Jewish, and said it had been the worst and most humiliating day of his life. The entire social world of children revolved around HY, and with this, peer acceptance. The view of all the interviewees was that the Nazis were masters of propaganda and knew exactly how to appeal to children. Unless you have experienced something like this, I dont think you can judge.
I read a book several years ago accusing Pope JP of selling poisoned substances to the Nazis, and rounding up patriots to hand over etc. – sounds like its being rehashed yet again.
- And Benedict XVI is more properly Bavarian, which is sorta kinda like to Germany as Scotland is to Britain.
aebrain, I’m aware of the geography and history of Bayern (Bavaria in English). Ich habe zwei Bayerische freunden. One of my friends lives in Landkreis Ebersberg, which is close to Pope Benny’s home district of Traunstein. I also know a Ratzinger from Prien am Chiemsee, and given where he comes from he could be a distant relo of the new Pope.
- And Benedict XVI is more properly Bavarian
Eh, not really. Bavaria was not a separate entity in 1927, so as much as both Bavarians as well as, say, Texans, may see themselves as people of their state first and their country second, the only proper way to state his birth country is in fact “Germany”. (Notwithstanding the occasional upheaval or three and associated changes of constitutional form that my country has gone through since then…)
- Every rightwing child abuser in my street is absolutely thrilled at the election of the new Pope. Even the Protestant ones.
I wonder if the author feels the same way about Palestinians who were forced to join Hammas etc. as he feels about the Pope being forced to join HY?
And of course, this election proves that there is no God – but wait, didnt the Left kill off God decades ago? They need FURTHER proof?
‘Gliding back to the 12th century ..’ hmm. Better than being forced back to the 7th century by the feral Left’s Islamic mates, I guess – especially if you happen to be female.
And ‘this will lead to millions of deaths ..’
He does not explain this statement.
‘if nothing is done ‘ – like what? hateful vicious emails?
I can well believe this person felt no love, compassion or understanding from anyone in his life. Maybe thats why he is so childish and full of hate.
At least we know that the world is on the right track if we judge from the increased number of rantings from sour lefties.
- Dr. Evil: Children are all different? Yah?
Ms. Blum: Yah.
Dr. Evil: Yah?
Ms. Blum: Yah.
Dr. Evil: Yah?
Ms. Blum. Yah.
Dr. Evil: For example, mini-me loves chocolate. Scotty don’t.
Scotty: No, I love chocolate fine.
Dr. Evil: Scotty don’t!
wronwright: Hitler was German.
craigo: No, he was Austrian.
wronwright: Hitler was German!Posted by wronwright on 04/21 at 08:09 AM • #
- ilibcc — And we would have heard the old “he’s not really black” line again…Posted by richard mcenroe on 04/21 at 09:16 AM • #
We cant hold this against him. Hes not a Nazi.