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Last updated on August 9th, 2017 at 03:01 pm

An outbreak of unpleasantness on reality show Big Brother:

Ashley and John have been unceremoniously escorted from the Big Brother house after what can be described as feral – if not illegal – behaviour.

The producers of the show say only that the pair have been evicted over a “serious incident” but early morning viewers have been more graphic.

The producers – already under fire over Big Brother: Adults Only – are in damage control, shutting down the official Big Brother forums.

Damage control continues:

Producers Endemol Southern Star refused to say what the incident was …

But details of the incident are already widely known; hit the “graphic” link above. Opposition leader Kim Beazley:

“If my advice is worth anything to the folk who run Channel 10, and how they choose to conduct themselves is their business, I’d say ‘make this Big Brother the last’,” he said.

Queensland Labor premier Peter Beattie doesn’t agree:

Queensland taxpayers will continue investing in the production of Big Brother, despite the program’s latest controversy …

State Premier Peter Beattie says the financial incentive has helped secure lighting and camera jobs on the Gold Coast.

“We do not have enough television production in this country,” he said.

“And frankly I’m sick of the sort of American crap we get on our television every night and I don’t mind seeing a little bit of Australian rubbish – it can’t be any worse than the sort of American rubbish we see.”

Good call, Pete. Let’s remove West Wing from the ABC! Internet forums are running hot, while Big Brother now has viewers from outside the target demographic:

Footage of an incident which led to the removal of two contestants in the reality television show Big Brother will be reviewed by Queensland police, the Federal Government said today.

UPDATE. No charges: “A Queensland police spokesman says there is insufficient evidence at this stage for any criminal investigation.”

UPDATE II. A description of events.

Posted by Tim B. on 07/02/2006 at 03:19 AM
    1. Oh, goody. Beattie prefers a program which has possibly generated what may be (on investigation) a potential sexual assault to ‘American crap’. If the woman was assaulted, I hope she sues the pants off the TV station running this show.

      Sweet! What’s next ‘Adventures of a Queensland Paedophile in Cebu’?? hey it’s OK if it is made in QLD, yeah Petey?

      Seriously, this is dreadful. Should it turn out that it actually was, then I hope the perpetrators are prosecuted to the full extent of the law.


      Posted by MarkL on 2006 07 02 at 03:28 AM • permalink


    1. Reality TV …what a blast!  Isn’t this how all Australians behave?

      So the producers pick people that might lead to “interesting” TV.  And when they get it they go into damage control.  Funny how these interesting people are the type of people who tend to do this.  Anyone “real” in a real job would struggle to get 6 months off work…..

      Oh I am venting…. sorry….

      Posted by The Big Fish on 2006 07 02 at 03:31 AM • permalink


    1. We have to assume that Beattie didn’t have the full story before he offered comment.
      If he’s not the most cynical bastard in politics today he’ll turn 180 degrees on this.

      Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 07 02 at 03:35 AM • permalink


    1. Can’t believe Tim resisted calling this post “It’s time to go….Endemol”. 🙂

      Posted by Villeurbanne on 2006 07 02 at 03:37 AM • permalink


    1. After reading the graphic link, and getting a description of what Ashley and John did, I’d call that sexual assault.

      As for the producers of this dreck, what did they expect?

      I’ve seen a whole one ep of Big Bother, and that was one episode too many.

      And Beattie’s comments about camera and lighting jobs?? Puh-leeeeze!

      Where are the scriptwriters, editors, production assistants, grips, gaffers, runners, location managers, actors, foley artists, sound designers, composers, production secretaries, makeup artists, wardrobe assistants, hairdressers, boom swingers and directors that could also do with more work in the tv industry here in Australia?

      Don’t get me started on reality television…

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 07 02 at 03:58 AM • permalink


    1. Oh what sad times are these when a man can’t enter a woman’s room and forcibly slap her forehead with his penis…

      This is just insane. And to think a politician would actually give the appearance of defending this?  Women everywhere will (or at least should) be screaming for John’s (as well as Beattie’s) head on a pole.  John needs something a little stiffer than a penis smacked across his forehead. I’m thinking tire iron.

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 07 02 at 04:12 AM • permalink


    1. Okay, I’m threading together the few disparate facts I now know about the international Big Brother franchise. Let’s see:

      *Face slapping with penis
      *UK Celebrity Big Brother
      *That tranny from the 2005 series
      *From the same series, George Galloway

      EUW! Curse that mental picture!

      Posted by James Waterton on 2006 07 02 at 04:19 AM • permalink


    1. Actually, I think it was 2006 series.

      Posted by James Waterton on 2006 07 02 at 04:20 AM • permalink


    1. You guys in Australia still have The West Wing on the teevee?

      On behalf of America, let me just say…[head tilt]Sorry, Everybody.[/head tilt]

      Posted by Sean M on 2006 07 02 at 05:15 AM • permalink


    1. Is this the final season of BB? I can see thousands of brainless bogans committing suicide……..

      Posted by Tex on 2006 07 02 at 05:22 AM • permalink


    1. Premier Beattie is endorsing Aussie rubbish including televised sexual assault just to generate secure lighting and camera jobs on the Gold Coast.

      That’s ALP loyalty comrades!

      Posted by rog2 on 2006 07 02 at 05:28 AM • permalink


    1. West Wing has been re televised on the taxpayer funded ABC – bring back the East Enders!!

      Posted by rog2 on 2006 07 02 at 05:29 AM • permalink


    1. Ignore the big brother nastiness –
      focus instead on the real issue –
      Independence from America Byron Bay style…

      Posted by Islam/cancer-Chuck Norris/answer on 2006 07 02 at 05:33 AM • permalink


    1. I’d like to see the next Big Brother filmed on a cruise ship…

      Posted by anthony_r on 2006 07 02 at 06:03 AM • permalink


    1. Or the space station.  Out the airlock with you, Ashley and John!

      Posted by Pixy Misa on 2006 07 02 at 06:10 AM • permalink


    1. Front page news Sunday blats.
      Subject of post on Australia’s best blog.
      Woman refuses to file complaint.
      Police not laying charges.
      Blokes kicked off, presumably resulting in fresh “talent”.
      Incident the highlight of Sunday night BB episode.
      Widespread coverage expected in media Monday.
      Beautifully managed BB producers.

      Posted by slatts on 2006 07 02 at 06:11 AM • permalink


    1. Full credit must be given to Tim, he has been a crusader from day one. A crusader against the evil that is Big Brother. Soon…Soon victory will be ours, we will see the devil that is Big Brother evicted from our TV sets. But we must not weaken our resolve, BB is an insidious beast. Just when you think it is finish Peter Beattie gives it another grant.

      Posted by cjblair on 2006 07 02 at 07:05 AM • permalink


    1. The pictures aren’t very good.

      Posted by rhhardin on 2006 07 02 at 07:07 AM • permalink


    1. Australians must pay taxes to watch crap like BB and the West wing?
      My condolences, Mates.

      Posted by Ben USN (Ret) on 2006 07 02 at 07:27 AM • permalink


    1. Turned on Big Brother Eviction (I felt so unclean watching it) to see how they would explain what happened.  All they said was the two bastards (my words) were removed for breaking the rules and that there was a lot of exaggeration going around that wasn’t worth talking about.

      Looks like Gretel is trying to be the new Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf .  Exaggeration?!  Thats right, just pretend that it didn’t happen and it will all go away.  Just listen to Gretel and ignore what is really going on.

      Posted by youngy on 2006 07 02 at 07:33 AM • permalink


    1. #20, ah, I miss that guy, I always looked foward to his updates.

      Posted by darrinh on 2006 07 02 at 07:53 AM • permalink


    1. Oh what sad times are these when a man can’t enter a woman’s room and forcibly slap her forehead with his penis…

      Texas Bob, that has to be the funniest thing I’ve read all weekend!

      BB isn’t on the taxpayer funded channel, Ben, but we still can’t escape the saturation advertising for it, so your condolences are received with gratitude.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 07 02 at 08:02 AM • permalink


    1. #5 Nilknarf sM

      I’ve seen a whole one ep of Big Bother, and that was one episode too many.

      5 years ago I watched half of one episode with my cousin and her friends. I then told them that this was a programme made by scum, featuring scum, and targeted at the scum demographic. That was fun.

      Posted by SteveGW on 2006 07 02 at 08:39 AM • permalink



    1. The Big Brother concept is Dutch rubbish, not American rubbish, although it has taken hold throughout the whole world. The Galloway indicident, however, almost, almost justified its existence. I hope Radio Birdman will update their old lyrics: “Gretel I want to say thank you for all you’ve done for me/ My nights are dark and empty when you’re not on TV”.

      Posted by Jim Geones on 2006 07 02 at 09:04 AM • permalink


    1. What a tragedy that the two young men in question actually believed they could assault the young woman in this way and that it would be considered “funny”. It is a sad reflection on youth that kids believe this type of behaviour is entertaining and legitimate rather than an offensive act.

      Posted by daphne on 2006 07 02 at 09:22 AM • permalink


    1. So the lass won’t be making a complaint and therefore the police won’t be pursuing the perpetrators, despite the graphic evidence. And the guys will probably walk away without a legal blot against them, proving, beyond all reasonable doubt, that you can get away with sexual assault because the victim will be too ashamed/embarrassed/humiliated to report it, no matter how much evidence there is against you. BB will go on – just like it did the last time – only with more subscriptions. Where are the feminists in all this with their talk of grrrl power, empowerment, equal opportunity etc? I know they’re busy defending the right of women to subjugate themselves under blanket, or validating prostitution as a valid lifestyle choice, but you’d think they could be roused enough to do more than spout a few tut-tut lines.

      What’s the bet that the worse that will happen to these POS is that they will be counseled. Like that has ever worked once.

      Posted by exit ramp on 2006 07 02 at 09:46 AM • permalink


    1. “And frankly I’m sick of the sort of American crap we get on our television every night and I don’t mind seeing a little bit of Australian rubbish – it can’t be any worse than the sort of American rubbish we see.”

      Um, look, I’m the last person in the world to defend American crap television. But we’re not filming actual sexual assaults here.

      Could all of the folks in Britain and Oz and Europe who get sniffy about the inferiority of American TV maybe, y’know, STFU? I’m sure television programming is equally good/bad everywhere. I’ll put “Battlestar: Galactica” and “The Shield” up against “Footballers Wives” and the Eurovision Song Contest all day long.

      Posted by Dave S. on 2006 07 02 at 09:47 AM • permalink


    1. I have never watched a ‘reality show’ all the way through in my life, and don’t intend to.  Doesn’t mean I’ve been able to avoid the damned things, usually catching the last couple minutes while waiting for a real show to come on, or being bombarded with interviews of theses welfare recipients in training on the morning news shows, but from what I’ve seen, these shows are deliberately cast with contemptible moral and psychological defectives by people with an equal contempt for their audiences.  You would think people would avoid watching these shows out of simple self-respect.  They don’t, of course, anymore than they refrain from voting Democrat, and out of most of the same deep character flaws.

      As for the feminists, they’re not going to say squat to a Labor pol; don’t get your hopes up.

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 07 02 at 10:03 AM • permalink


    1. It’s common knowledge that Channel 10 has been under pressure from the Government Censors (for showing Jamie’s semi-erect penis on national television this season in particular)…

      I haven’t seen US reality TV, but I’m almost certain there isn’t anything like that (I mean I’m sure I would have heard about—after all I didn’t seen that Super Bowl half-time show either, but I sure heard plenty about Janet Jackson’s nipple).

      There’s a lot of crap on American television, but from what I’ve seen of television elsewhere, it’s far from the worst crap out there. And when it’s done well, it’s actually very, very good. And our government doesn’t confiscate money from us to pay for it (well, except for that PBS thingy).

      That shows like this (and Jerry Springer) are produced and aired doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the fact that they have an audience. Now, that’s alarming.

      First time I ever heard the term “turkey slap”, the “graphic” link doesn’t appear to be working and the most important question of the day, why does Byron Bay hate us?

      Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 07 02 at 10:45 AM • permalink


    1. Oh, puhlease, get down off your high horses.  Download the actual video feed here.

      There was no “sexual assault”. It wasn’t “sexual” at all. This was all just horsing around in good fun. The girl climbed into the guys’ bed and knew that this was coming.  She was laughing and joking the whole time, before and after “the incident”.

      Posted by NUNUVYER on 2006 07 02 at 11:03 AM • permalink


    1. I’ll try again with the link

      Video of “the incident”

      Posted by NUNUVYER on 2006 07 02 at 11:05 AM • permalink


    1. Well, Aunty won’t have to worry about penis slaps tainting her new reality show The Abbey:

      ABC TV is looking for five women for a new 3 part series. Take up the challenge to live the life of a contemplative nun for 33 days and nights – one day for every year of Christ’s life.

      Posted by slammer on 2006 07 02 at 11:14 AM • permalink


    1. I despise “reality” TV.  Give me well-written and well-acted scripts every time.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 07 02 at 11:15 AM • permalink


    1. I despise “reality” TV.  Give me well-written and well-acted scripts every time.

      Hear, hear. I have to deal with reality every day. Give me the fruit of imagination for my leisure time.

      Why on Earth anyone would want to watch a bunch of empty, depraved narcissists stabbing each other in the back is beyond me.

      Posted by Dave S. on 2006 07 02 at 11:22 AM • permalink


    1. #35:  “Why on Earth anyone would want to watch a bunch of empty, depraved narcissists stabbing each other in the back is beyond me.”

      Because they’re empty, depraved narcissists themselves, but didn’t have the guts to couldn’t get on the show?

      Posted by Barbara Skolaut on 2006 07 02 at 11:36 AM • permalink


    1. Is it still assault if it was a plastic turkey slap?

      Posted by andycanuck on 2006 07 02 at 11:49 AM • permalink


    1. “NUNUVYER” sounds like slapping a girl in the forehead with a penis is one of his favorite activities. And truly, what kind of world is it where you can’t even slap a girl in the forehead with your penis on television? Not a world I want to live in! [/PISSGUZZLINGCHODE]
      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 07 02 at 12:15 PM • permalink


    1. Did they know in advance that someone named “Ashley” had a penis?  They might want to check the other chicks out right away.  Freaky stuff.

      Posted by Matt in Denver on 2006 07 02 at 12:22 PM • permalink


    1. It never fails: These people have a little taste of fame and they get all cocky.

      Posted by Jim Treacher on 2006 07 02 at 12:36 PM • permalink


    1. I have to concur; I’ve never seen any turkey-slapping on tv.  Not even on the “sexy” channels.

      Who the hell ever did this AND came up with a slang term for it, that’s what I’d like to know.

      Posted by ushie on 2006 07 02 at 12:39 PM • permalink


    1. Did they know in advance that someone named “Ashley” had a penis?  They might want to check the other chicks out right away

      Or rent “Gone with the Wind.”

      Posted by Dave S. on 2006 07 02 at 01:10 PM • permalink


    1. Who the hell ever did this AND came up with a slang term for it, that’s what I’d like to know.

      Hey, it beats “teabagging.”

      Posted by Dave S. on 2006 07 02 at 01:11 PM • permalink


    1. Andrea,

      Did you watch the video?

      To describe the “incident” in words make it sound much worse than it really was – this is why the police are not pressing charges even though they have it all on video – normally a prosecutor’s dream. I realize that this is not “normal” behavior but it was not a sexual assualt either – it was good natured “horseplay” among consenting (trashy) adult roommates of mixed gender. The guys say something like “we’ve got a surprise for you, come over to our bed and close your eyes” (I’m not familiar with this show at all but apparently they all sleep in one big room with a night vision camera). The woman goes willingly, full well knowing that the “surprise” is not going to be a lollipop or a cookie (her original guess, pardon my French, is a fart). Then she guesses that it will be a “turkey slap” and she sticks around anyway and then after the “incident” announces loudly to the (many) others in the room ,“Hey I’ve just been turkey slapped”, laughing the whole time, and then she snuggles under the covers some more, not attempting to “escape” in any way. If these had been all guys goofing around in the locker room, no one would have given it a second thought.  Now these reality show contestants are a crude bunch, I realize, but they are who they are – they were just being their usual trashy but good natured selves, both the guys and the gal and not “rapists” and “victim”. To shoehorn “the incident” into that template or to call it “male sexual oppression of women” or whatever is to get it completely wrong. If our Western society empowers women to live in communal settings with men and literally climb into their beds, then we can’t suddenly become like a bunch of enraged Muslims when one of them gets “touched” in a playful way. Has whatshername been “dishonored” and must her brothers now kill her? Do the boys need to be publicly castrated for their crimes? I don’t think so. For you or anyone else to play the prude is just plain hypocrisy, which is what prudery always is. I don’t know what goes on in your bedroom but if you are like everyone else on earth it is (I hope for your sake) a   lot “worse” than what was on that film.

      Those being filmed apparently forgot (or didn’t care because they thought it was such a harmless prank) that night vision camera was on (hard to say how they forgot because they were all wearing cumbersome wireless mikes). And while “the incident” was a bit too much even for reality TV, otherwise crude and off color remarks and pranks are just what the viewers want and expect.

      Posted by NUNUVYER on 2006 07 02 at 01:27 PM • permalink


    1. Having read the description in Update II, it seems this wasn’t so much sexual assault as terminal stupidity by everyone involved.

      I’m not biased against “reality” TV altogether (there have been some isolated cases of it being done pretty well), but Big Brother in its various incarnations has been nothing but a blight on television all over the world. But hey, I’m a libertarian so I’ll look for the silver lining…knowing somebody actually likes to watch BB has always been a pretty good indication they’re not worth conversing with.

      Posted by PW on 2006 07 02 at 01:41 PM • permalink


    1. Hah! I like the headtilt, Sean M.! Good move.

      Posted by Muslihoon on 2006 07 02 at 01:45 PM • permalink


    1. NUNUVYER — You musta been the toast of sorority row, slick…

      The official Big Brother site has shut down their forums.

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 07 02 at 02:34 PM • permalink


    1. Richard –

      I’m really offended by the personal tone of your comments and Andreas – this really has nothing to do we me.

      Posted by NUNUVYER on 2006 07 02 at 02:43 PM • permalink


    1. Gracious!  NUNUVYER is really offended!  By the personal tone of R.McE’s and Andrea’s comments!  But if anyone registers offense at the thought/act of some jemoke slapping a woman in the face with his dickling, that’s instant Muslimhood!

      Dang it, I’m too feverish to be posting.

      Posted by ushie on 2006 07 02 at 03:44 PM • permalink


    1. You know, I was watching “My Man Godfrey” last night (I imagine Paco as William Powell in “Godfrey,” with even snappier hats) and I was thinking, “What this movie needs is for William Powell to slap Carole Lombard in the forehead with his dick!  That would really make it much funnier and more sophisticated!”

      Today I’m watching “Throne of Blood,” a Japanese adaptation of MacBeth.  I hope Toshiro Mifune slaps Lady MacBeth in the forehead with his dick.  It’s a shame Shakespeare didn’t think of including a dick-to-forehead scene in the original.

      OK, my fever’s over 100.  I just hope it isn’t that Saltydog/and the other person—sorry, feverish—theory about the biowarfare traveller.  Because I’ll really be mad about putting money away for retirement.

      Posted by ushie on 2006 07 02 at 04:26 PM • permalink


    1. Didn’t they do that turkey thing in “Brokeback Mountain”? And it won an Oscar. I smell an Emmy (Strine division) for Ashley.

      Posted by Some0Seppo on 2006 07 02 at 05:08 PM • permalink


    1. NUNUVYER — “There are some people one would wish to offend.”

      Winston Churchill
      Hugh Carleton Green
      John Cleese (take your pick)

      I’ve seen the video
      I’ve read the description
      I’ve watched Big Brother shut down its own forums rather than defend their own show.
      You welcome to defend it; I’m welcome to think you a posturing buffoon.

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 07 02 at 05:57 PM • permalink


    1. Peta Beattie is a complete MORON.
      This just goes to show what a wanker Queenslanders have had to put up with over the last 8 years.
      The bloke is a complete creep and so is his government and public service.
      What happened was a sexual assault and there should be a prosecution, but the biggest subnormals are those that compere and run that stupid show (of whom, unfortunately I personally had unpleasant close contact and am lying in wait for the degenerate next time).
      As for Peta Beatie, he had one faint hope of redemption when he took a hardline when he said that two dams were going ahead no matter what (between him and weak kneed Mayor of Brisbane, Mr “can’t do and never could do, Campbell” their big hopes for supplying water to SE Qld is to recycle sewerage- aided and abetted by Coca Cola who have instituted plans to ramp up their spring water production and Balance Sheets)- but now he’s a quivering dissembling wreck.

      My God. The weakling can’t even bulldoze all the rednecks and One Nation gun totting maniacs out of the Gympie electorate or the Hillbillies out of Rathdowney.
      Joh would have had bulldozers moving by now and the Deen Brothers fully employed again, not only getting a head start on dams before we all start drinking Vile Lefties Amoeba Ridden Defecations, but the Deen Brothers would in half a day deviated via Dreamworld and done in a few seconds the Big Brother studios into wanking dust along with the perpetrators of this crap.

      Posted by MarshallD on 2006 07 02 at 06:25 PM • permalink


    1. This just in! On the radio this morning, John’s father was talking to The Cage.

      Poor John (or should that be “John?”) is devastated by it all, and never expected it to all go pearshaped like this.

      Of course, Camilla is to blame – “John’s” father has seen the footage and reckons she instigated it, and Big Brother encouraged that sort of behaviour.

      It’s not John’s fault, and he was hoping to parlay his stint in the house into a career as a journalist.

      Brigitte Duclos (one of the radio team) did try to suggest that John’s behaviour was pretty poor form regardless of who was responsible, but the father didn’t want to go there on national radio.

      Dad did say that John may just move to Austria, as they have family over there, and it’s all too hard for the lad here.

      My comments?

      Well, if he were my son I’d be mortified with his behaviour and he’d be copping a bitch-slapping next time he was in my presence. The fact that he found such a stunt in such a public forum acceptable would constitute a failure on my part against the Evil Meeja and the Anti-Rove.

      Whatever consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes is their own business, and I’m not interested in that. It’s when it’s out in my face that I get pissed off.

      I’m betting that “John” moves to Austria after some pressure from Dad.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 07 02 at 06:32 PM • permalink



      “There was no “sexual assault”. It wasn’t “sexual” at all. This was all just horsing around in good fun. The girl climbed into the guys’ bed and knew that this was coming.  She was laughing and joking the whole time, before and after “the incident”.

      Your attitude is outrageous! A girl does not “have it coming” because she is in the wrong place at the wrong time. It might be news to you but girls who wear short skirts are not asking to be sexually assaulted either.

      If slapping a young woman in the face with your genitals is “not sexual” then you need to go to anatomy class.

      And this

      “when one of them gets “touched” in a playful way”

      It was not “playful” it was downright indecent. We teach children that they do not have to tolerate adults exposing and thrusting their genitals at them—but you say young women must put up with it because they dare to be in close proximity to men?

      It’s about repsect NUNUVYER, not about girls copping what they deserve.

      You have a serious attitude problem toward women.

      Posted by daphne on 2006 07 02 at 07:25 PM • permalink


    1. In a SMH Fairfax poll 5391people voted (so far).

      71% said Big Brother should be axed
      29% said no it shouldn’t

      Posted by daphne on 2006 07 02 at 08:01 PM • permalink


    1. It’s not John’s fault, and he was hoping to parlay his stint in the house into a career as a journalist.

      The broad strata of Australian journalists will certainly be thrilled to be mentioned in the same breath with Big Brother participants.

      Posted by PW on 2006 07 02 at 08:18 PM • permalink


    1. Wellll…. If find it impossible to believe that the producers did not plan to fill a house with (presumably) sexually active extroverts, and lubricate with sponsor supplied alcohol and wait for the fireworks.

      Hey!  There’s fireworks!  My god it’s controversial.  Look at the ratings go.

      I do not condone any sexually predatory behaviour.  This nonsense may well be in poor taste for some, and if it’s against the rules then fine, but it certainly was not assault.

      Sorry Andrea, there was no slapping of a girl on the forehead on television.  I fear you’re using emotion swing an argument – and it IS an emotional issue to anyone who has experienced assault.

      It was streamed on the internet to paying subscribers – who, if they’re watching BB at 4am, are having all of their tawdry dreams come true.

      Have you never tickled your partner until they giggle and scream STOP STOP!  Is this not assault?  They didn’t seem to be consenting from an outsiders perspective.

      There IS a difference between public acceptability and the tomfoolery that goes on in bedrooms between respectful participants.

      If the public are not prepared to accept this difference, then nonsense like Big Brother should be banned.

      Posted by MrDays on 2006 07 02 at 08:19 PM • permalink


    1. If people want to watch reality TV shows, does that automatically classify them as “scum” or “bogans”?
      Isn’t classifying people like this a bit like the people who sneer at Nascar fans?

      I seem to recall that when two years ago one of the Big Brother contestants used his 15 minutes of fame to make a naive, stupid, self-important protest on behalf of “refugees” (illegal immigrants), all the lefties in the Australian media denounced the Big Brother audience in very similar terms, for disapproving of the protest!

      Posted by Local oaf on 2006 07 02 at 08:32 PM • permalink


    1. “I don’t mind seeing a little bit of Australian rubbish…”

      Obviously, since Beattie supported Mark Latham.
      Now he supports “Big Brother Meets PC-Feminism Central, Meets Grotesque Commercialism”.

      Big Brother is our postChristian equivalent of Rome’s Colosseum ‘amusements’.

      Posted by Barrie on 2006 07 02 at 08:36 PM • permalink


    1. Mr Days

      “I do not condone any sexually predatory behaviour.”

      But then you did. “Tomfoolery” as you call it is not a young woman being held down by two men and being slapped in the face with one of their penises” I just listened to the tape without the picture and Camilla clearly said “this is not cool”. I heard that loud and clear in the first tape I listened to yesterday, and today it appears to be muffled out, but still there.

      Where is your boundary Mr Days—in defining a practical joke—if it doesn’t stop at genital exposure and forcibly pushing a penis into a woman’s face—where the hell is it?

      And who gives you the right to define “tomfoolery” as something that involves uninvited sexual behaviour?

      Kids watch Big Brother. Are 12, 13, 14 year-old boys and girls to now believe that this is appropriate behaviour?

      Are young girls to believe that if a couple of young boys hold them down, exposing their penises and push them into their faces—that this is a practical joke?

      I’m having trouble finding your “difference” Mr Days. Perhaps because your interpretation tolerates uninvited sexual acts so long as they are presented as “tomfoolery”.

      Posted by daphne on 2006 07 02 at 08:49 PM • permalink


    1. Daphne, I am in total agreement with you.  I find it totally disgusting that the two men involved are being defended by the program, as well as getting interviewed to present their arguments on what happened (a ratings grab that one) and the women involved is left shamed because the blokes were kicked out of the house(?!)

      What the hell is going on?  Isn’t this the type of thing that feminism was originally trying to fight against?  As for the comments of NUNUVYER I don’t see how women are empowered through being held down by one man while another slaps his genitals across her face.

      My belief is the Big Brother should be shut down now.  They have been trying to make it as controversial as possible and they have got their wish.  Beware of getting what you wish for.

      Posted by youngy on 2006 07 02 at 09:16 PM • permalink


    1. I can’t work out Channel Ten. If they want to air cheap, smutty shows that amuse 10-year-olds, just rerun Benny Hill. Added advantage in that their grandfathers would watch it with them. Whenever I think of the lameness of modern TV comedy, that arsehole Ben Elton springs to mind.

      Posted by slatts on 2006 07 02 at 09:22 PM • permalink


    1. Hi Daphne

      Thanks for your response.  Some I points agree with, some I think we see in a different context.

      I’m not as convinced about the “being held down by two men” and “forcibly pushing a penis” as you are.  (yes I have seen the material).  Sure she said “this is not cool” – which is a long way from “stop”.  Her reactions before and after that comment make it (to my impression) that she thought was quite tacky, but funny at the same time.

      From the material I’ve seen, I’m not buying into your perception of “uninvited sexual behaviour” either.

      I believe these two points are interpretive, and based upon personal values, and I’m certain that some will see unacceptability – and some won’t.

      You’re poorly paraphrasing my argument by suggesting I approve of young teenagers seeing this material.  I certainly do not think it’s appropriate.

      The show has guidlines to cover this.  The guidelines were broken – housemates evicted, the unfortunate side effect is the massive amount of attention received by events that are in poor taste.

      There does appear to be a public fascination just like watching a train smash. They’re disgusted, but they love it.  Sad really.

      Quite frankly Daphne, I believe that our perceptions are quite different, and shaped by different life experiences.  I also think you’re quite entitled to be disgusted by the behaviour.

      I think the event was in poor taste, and just plain stupid by all three participants.  But stupidity is not illegal.


      Posted by MrDays on 2006 07 02 at 09:22 PM • permalink


    1. Cant the guys just say they were doing a Bill Clinton impersonation?

      Posted by knuckleheadwatch on 2006 07 02 at 09:51 PM • permalink


    1. NUNUVYER & MarshallD,

      Just so you understand. This ‘offence’ is not an offence against The Crown (Regina) but against the female victim. Therefore we in the QPS would need a formal complaint from the victim prior to investigating the offence. It doesn’t matter if there is high definition 3D footage from 15 angles proving the offence took place. Without the complaint we don’t have any authority to charge the offenders.

      In terms of assaults it’s only when you start getting to the really serious offences such as GBH and Attempt Murder etc.. that it becomes an offence against Regina and therefore we can proceed with charges without a formal complaint from the victim (such as when sewer dwelling bikies try to kill each other, which happens quite a bit here on the Gold Coast lately, and should be encouraged so long as no one else gets hurt).

      Posted by Skip on 2006 07 02 at 10:05 PM • permalink


    1. #56 I don’t know much about the incident, but this is all the proof I need that the show should continue.

      Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 07 02 at 10:15 PM • permalink


    1. I could easily go into a screed here, but it has been a spectacular sailing day here and therefore, such mundane, low vulgarity just isn’t worth a single moment of the kind of thought a screed would require.  (Pause for applause)

      I will say that, like Kyda (#30), I’ve never heard of the term “turkey slap”, and I find it disconcerting that young people have so corrupted their sexual life that they have a name for … turkey slapping.

      #40, Jim Treacher,

      Thanks for a terrific laugh. out. loud. moment!

      Posted by saltydog on 2006 07 02 at 11:32 PM • permalink


    1. From an analytical viewpoint. It’s an interesting insight into how any sexual assault case may unfold.

      It’s rare to an opportunity for anyone who is interested to be a “witness” to the events.  The result is a wide diversity of opinions about what constitues assault.

      Sadly, I think in the real world, where it is one person’s word against another’s, it could very easily be an argument that is ultimately won by the most expensive lawyer – and it could be for either party.

      Posted by MrDays on 2006 07 02 at 11:36 PM • permalink


    1. Daphne – I didn’t say that the woman “had it coming” but rather that she was a willing participant who KNEW what was coming and climbed into the guy’s bed anyway. I’ve heard the “can’t a girl walk down a dark deserted street at midnight wearing next to nothing and not expect to be molested?” line once too often. OK, walking down the street in a short skirt is fine, I’ll grant you that (although a little common sense about where you are and the hour and what you are wearing is even better). But isn’t there some point where the woman is literally “asking for it”? If instead of being in the street in a short skirt she is in a nighty in another man’s bed? Is she “asking for it” then?  Not yet?  What DOES a woman have to do to “ask for it” nowadays? Does she have to fill out a written consent form in advance , signed and notarized, or if you lay a finger on her you’re a rapist?  There’s a real double standard thing going on here I think.

      Posted by NUNUVYER on 2006 07 02 at 11:38 PM • permalink


    1. Good summary, skip, thanks.

      Otherwise ROFL!!  An ulta tacky show with flagging ratings (year-on-year) saw publicity soar last year with some overt nudity & sex ‘play’.

      So, do we select this year’s pond scum on their debating and literary qualities?  Or do we select a bunch of trash idiots and wait for the fireworks.  OOPS, SORRY about that.  We really hate the publicity.

      Daphne, I’ve seen your prior posts (including those you asked to be removed – ROFL!) and this one is one of your classics:

      It’s about repsect NUNUVYER, not about girls copping what they deserve.

      WHAT’S all about respect?  Big Brother?  Oh, Brother!

      Posted by Stop Continental Drift! on 2006 07 02 at 11:46 PM • permalink


    1. Daphne @ # 55

      When you wrote:
      Your attitude is outrageous! A girl does not “have it coming” because she is in the wrong place at the wrong time. It might be news to you but girls who wear short skirts are not asking to be sexually assaulted either.

      You put “had it coming” in quotes.  Who were you quoting ?  Or are they your own words?

      Just asking.

      Posted by Stop Continental Drift! on 2006 07 02 at 11:51 PM • permalink


    1. Damn.  “have it coming” was the ‘quote’

      Posted by Stop Continental Drift! on 2006 07 02 at 11:52 PM • permalink


    1. Ewwwwwwwwwwww

      Technically sexual assault, but not in the same league as most such. Horseplay that went too far, but at least when she said “NO” they backed off.

      Under most circumstances I’d be the first to throw the book at these two, but in these it was just crudity and idiocy. Something that could have been terribly damaging to the victim, but in this case was seen by her for what it was.

      I hope it doesn’t ruin anyone’s lives, but I bet in 20 years time it’s going to really hurt the victim, and probably hurt the offenders too.

      Maybe I shouldn’t be commenting, given my personal situation, but I broadly agree with NUNUVER is this particular case. In other cases. with the same basic facts, I’d say lock ‘em up for many years.

      Posted by Zoe Brain on 2006 07 02 at 11:54 PM • permalink


    1. Wouldnt be caught dead watching the garbage, but here’s a question:

      Why did ‘Camilla’ go to the beds of two young guys at 4:30am? Obviously she was expecting something to happen but when it turned out to be beyond her definition of ‘cool’ she was suddenly a victim.

      Maybe it isnt ‘cool’ to creep into bed with men in the early hours of the morning and then expect to be treated like Princess Mary—

      Posted by dee on 2006 07 02 at 11:59 PM • permalink


    1. If the description in Update II is accurate, this does not strike me as sexual assault.  I think that calling this situation sexual assault and putting it on the same level as rape or other types of sexual assault has the effect of cheapening the word.  The next time someone says she was sexually assaulted, some people might think it isn’t serious, it’s probably like what happened on Big Brother.  Calling this a sexual assault means that victims of real sexual assault may be less likely to be believed or taken seriously.

      Before I get pummeled for saying this was not sexual assault, remember that I said, IF the description is accurate.  According to that description Camilla joked about it and got back in the bed with the two guys.  If this description is not accurate, I take it all back until I have further information.  But so far, it strikes me as three of the stupidest Aussies alive who got more than they bargained for out of their 15 minutes.

      Posted by Not My Problem on 2006 07 03 at 12:16 AM • permalink


    1. Also, ‘turkey slapped’?  Really?  Who comes up with this?

      Posted by Not My Problem on 2006 07 03 at 12:17 AM • permalink


    1. Australia Big Brother has just gotten progressively raunchier every year. What’s up with the casting people down under? It seems like the whole show is nothing but a big excuse for nudity and sexual situations.

      Not saying I would watch the UK and USA Big Brothers with my 8 year old daughter either, but there’s definitely not anyone getting molested in those houses.

      Posted by BEAM on 2006 07 03 at 12:49 AM • permalink


    1. Ah, Big Brother. This show is a member of an elite fraternity – the shows that Jump The Shark in the first episode.
      #59 Local Oaf,
      Yes, the viewers are both scum and bogans. Did you really have to ask?.

      Posted by Daniel San on 2006 07 03 at 12:53 AM • permalink


    1. Hm. As NUNUVYER and mrdays just signed up July 2nd and have only commented on this post, and from the general tenor ofd their comments, I tend to believe that they are refugees from the closed Big Brother forum in question. That, and the fact that they are BORING, is why I have decided to ban them. Gotta keep the level of riffraff down, doncha know.

      Please, people, if you must argue in favor of the empowerment to women of being slapped in the face with a penis, try to at least be interesting.

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 07 03 at 01:09 AM • permalink


    1. Aw, c’mon Andrea.  How about the fantastic empowerment of women demonstrated by female in question invading the bed of 2 males in the middle of the night on a trashy program?

      But seriously, this whole thread has a nasty whiff of sexism about it.  Having watched the video – strictly for research mind you – there subsequently appears to have been a bit of sexual assault on guy by the gal in question, under the covers.

      And yet not a peep about this disgrace.  Why is that, I wonder?

      Posted by Stop Continental Drift! on 2006 07 03 at 01:22 AM • permalink


    1. Oh do get off you high horse Andrea a bit of Turkey Slapp’n in the right context is nothing to get your panties in a bunch over!.

      Posted by knuckleheadwatch on 2006 07 03 at 01:28 AM • permalink


    1. #81
      Because its only gui’ty if its got a penis

      Posted by knuckleheadwatch on 2006 07 03 at 01:35 AM • permalink


    1. #74. Zoe, I’m betting she’s regretting it about now, but you won’t hear about it so long as she’s in the house.

      We can classify it as horseplay gone too far on all sides, but the basics of out society are that women who are seen to behave in an overtly sexual way are often vilified for it, while men are usually not.

      If she was really having a good time, then I’m cool with that, but I would also not be surprised if it was more that she found herself in an unexpected situation that she really couldn’t deal with.

      In cases like that, women/girls tend to gloss over it all. Especially because there is that automatic condemnation of their actions.

      By all accounts, the young people are in an environment where alcohol and suggestive behaviour are encouraged, but that doesn’t mean the inhabitants are equipped to fully cope with the consequencesof their behaviour.

      The lack of decency shown by all three involved is sad, but not uncommon.

      Perhaps young people (gawd I sound old! I’m not even 39!) will think a bit harder about the positions they find themselves in, but I doubt it.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 07 03 at 02:10 AM • permalink


    1. Oh, and for some quality reality tv? Channel 4’s The Edwardian Country House is must-see television.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 07 03 at 02:12 AM • permalink


    1. I know why Peta Beattie wants shows like this retained for their “camera and lighting” jobs.

      Given a decent push they would have to go offshore.
      Like a reality TV show aboard the Pacific Sky.

      A Dianne Brimble memorial special maybe.

      A ship full of Liquid Seamen dripping from every gunwale.

      Alcohol, drugs, rape, atypical Australian males running around the cruise deck slapping their penises willy nilly (or just willie) into matronly female faces.

      They get this Seamen in Your Face bit from most Internet porn sites and no doubt would be quite happy exhibiting such cultural behaviour for the world to see on their idiot boxes.

      Your average Rugby League team would do- there are some skilled practitioners of these finer art forms playing for Sydney teams at the moment and one ex League exponent currently playing for a Union side.

      Let’s show the world that Pommie Soccer Buffoons have nothing on the depths of Depravity to which Australian males can sink. At least the Poms only want to get drunk, brawl then have an all in with the German coppers. Decent sport in other words.

      Posted by MarshallD on 2006 07 03 at 02:59 AM • permalink


    1. I’m glad I’m not a modern male…I guess my husband now has to get me to sign a consent form in triplicate before holding my hand!
      From what I’ve seen of the incident, Camilla was not a victim…she was probably uncomfortable AFTERWARDS,when everyone around her started intimitating that she should be, but at the time – from the video I’ve seen – it seems to me that she was a willing participant in the “incident”. Why should the boys be punished because of distaste by others at what appeared to be consensual play between three adults? The boys, idiots as they are, stopped immediately she asked them to. The way this thing has been blown up is an insult to real victims of sexual abuse.

      Finally, whether you like BB or not and want it off the air, surely posters on this forum should be worried at the intrusion of government in what should democratically be out of its sphere of control? If you want BB removed, stop watching it; get your neighbours and your workmates and the bloke who delivers your mail to stop watching it…don’t let a couple of politicians decide what you should or should not be watching. It’s a slippery slope…what next…banning V8 racing because the grid girls are an insult to women?

      Posted by Black Chick on 2006 07 03 at 03:28 AM • permalink


    1. I forgot to add why Beattie backs Big Brother.

      It goes to the root of this Rotten Government in Queensland.

      Beattie’s Government footed the bill, to the tune of several millions, for Schoolies on the Esplanade at Surfers last November.

      And who pocketed a whack from being compere on the main stage at Schoolies- the wanker from Big Brother.

      This wanker invited some morons from MMM radio station up on stage. Apart from wrecking expensive stage equipment, one of these radio morons used the microphone, in front of thousands of susceptible teenagers, that he was “going to fuck a certain young girl (in the front row) on the sand after the show.”

      This moron was in his mid thirties. The girl may even have been underage.

      Brilliant Beattie. Why don’t you go on the next Pacific Sky cruise. Right up your alley.

      Queensland taxpayers paid for that at Schoolies.
      Your idiot police force walked up and down the Esplanade whilst groups of roving islander thugs picked on young and susceptible and innocent young blokes fresh out of school to see if they could inflict permanent brain damage on them. But did you tell parents of the real risk of having their high achieving offspring running the risk of becoming brain dead vegetables at the hands of roving groups of subnormal New Zealanders and islanders. No you did not.
      As for the pornographic act of whacking penises against girl’s faces, or was it intend to ejaculate as well?- this sort of nonsense is wha generation Y-ers regard as sex. They think because every porn site can’t just show ordinary sex but must actually demean and humiliate the females involved in porn by ejaculating into their faces or mouths- that this is how sex is performed.

      You don’t have to be a rabid feminist to know how sick this sort of thing is.

      That Camilla is a rubbish dropkick and loser if she accepts this insult. Her future lies in porn movies where insult after insult is inflicted on women for $50.

      Posted by MarshallD on 2006 07 03 at 03:57 AM • permalink


    1. What a fucking arsehole Beattie is?  When all else fails, distract the cretins with good ol’ anti-Americanism.

      Posted by murph on 2006 07 03 at 05:08 AM • permalink


    1. ‘The West Wing’ is excellent.  Sure it’s about a Democratic administration but it is brilliantly scripted, well-acted and thoroughly deserves the many awards it has won.  It’s bias is clearly left but it is not pig-headed, dogmatic or moonbat.  Aaron Sorkin, the writer knows that good drama requires conflict and the Republicans get their due.

      Big Brother takes the fun out of voyeurism.

      Posted by Inurbanus on 2006 07 03 at 05:34 AM • permalink


    1. #90 Inurbanus,
      The West Wing is an exclusive club whose purpose seems to be the employment of leftist actors and writers, check out the politics of all involved. If you can see through the agenda to the entertainment underneath then I salute you, for I won’t allow it in my house.

      Posted by Daniel San on 2006 07 03 at 06:20 AM • permalink


    1. Anyone else want to tell me to “get off my high horse”—and get banned? I’ve had hardly any sleep last night due to the idiots upstairs, especially some shouting cow (who definitely needs to be slapped in the face with a penis—or something) and I am in a banning mood.

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 07 03 at 06:53 AM • permalink


    1. Andrea, you do a fine job here, especially in light of your circumstances. Just when things start getting dumb, you arrive having done your homework, armed with reason & the Ban Button to save us from boring. Bless you.

      It does get a bit tedious when hormone-driven brats act like hormone-driven brats & then we’re surprised or outraged and of course, someone must be punished. Please.

      I don’t watch it. This is probably why.

      Posted by KC on 2006 07 03 at 07:43 AM • permalink


    1. #57

      It’s not John’s fault, and he was hoping to parlay his stint in the house into a career as a journalist.

      This an instance where his departure from the BB House and his arrival at the AJA will raise the average IQ of both places?

      Posted by amortiser on 2006 07 03 at 09:16 AM • permalink


    1. where is the muslim brotherhood when you really, really need it?  why are there no chaps in robes protesting against this filth on tv?

      seriously though, will someone volunteer to watch big brother & list the advertisers so we can boycott them?  i can’t as the sight will shatter my specs

      Posted by KK on 2006 07 03 at 09:24 AM • permalink


    1. mort, you left the bold drawer open

      Posted by KK on 2006 07 03 at 09:25 AM • permalink


    1. ….

      Posted by KK on 2006 07 03 at 09:30 AM • permalink


    1. #13 Margrok is moonlighting for the Byron Bay rag obviously.. the article talks of the drum master leading a “parad” and “druming” away..
      Oh what a difference Magrok makes.There’s just that je ne sait quoi..

      Posted by crash on 2006 07 03 at 10:11 AM • permalink


    1. Bolds fixed. I have a day off work tomorrow so I may be in a better mood later. Operative word, “MAY.”

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 07 03 at 06:16 PM • permalink


    1. Can I be the first to suck up to the Administrator & wish her a Happy 4th of July?

      Posted by Stop Continental Drift! on 2006 07 03 at 06:30 PM • permalink


    1. #91 Daniel San

      Well, DS, I’m watching Season 7 right now and like it.  Alan Alda plays the Republican candidate and though the show clearly leans to Matt Santos and the Democrats, it seems to me to be pretty even-handed.

      To those not living in the states, the left there seems embattled.  You see, DS, even Australia is a nanny state in comparison to the US, so the Democrats seem quite far to the right to us – at least the administration in this show, which also has to ‘compromise its idealism’ whan faced with actual policy decisions.

      You have to realise too that ‘The West Wing’ is great advertising for the US.  Knee jerk anti-americans hate it and the BBC keeps shifting it around its schedules to shake viewers off. It’s a great antidote to fashionable leftoid bigotry.

      Posted by Inurbanus on 2006 07 04 at 06:36 AM • permalink


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