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Last updated on August 6th, 2017 at 01:37 pm
Hey, US military! Want to capture one of the insurgency’s principal financial supporters? Robert Fisk can help:
In Iraq, as we all know now, they go for the jugular. The old, the young, pregnant women, infants, soldiers, gunmen, murderers. They all die violently, the innocent along with the guilty. One of the insurgents’ principal financial supporters – we had met in Amman, of course, not in Baghad – put it very succinctly to me. “A decision was made that we have to accept civilian casualties. If we attack the Americans, the innocent will die. We know that. What do you people call it when you kill women and children? Collateral damage?”
Of course, there’s always the chance Fisk was making this up.
- Habib, your OT comment could set off an entire OT storm. Andrea’s whip is near at hand.
Collateral damage is accidental, Mr. Imaginary Insurgent Investor. Bombs in markets and mosques are purely intentional.
Posted by Some0Seppo on 2007 03 01 at 10:21 AM • permalink
“What do you people call it when you kill women and children? Collateral damage?”
Collateral damage is the inadvertent casualties and destruction inflicted on civilians in the course of military operations.
Setting off car bombs (as one small example) in the middle of a funeral is not a military operation, nor is it inadvertant. Nor is kidnapping civilian workers off a bus and then murdering them. And so on.
Those are deliberate acts, not “inadvertant”.
If the terrorists (“insurgents”, in Fisk’s alternate universe) targeted only military personnel (Iraqi or Coalition), this might be true.
Otherwise this “principal financial supporter” (or Fisk, if he’s been hallucinating again) is supporting terrorism, and the outright murder of “[t]he old, the young, pregnant women, infants, [and] soldiers…”.
Moral equivalence really sucks. And Fisk, along with his terrorist buddies, suck at it as well.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 03 01 at 10:29 AM • permalink
- Robert Fisk is a lying sack-o-shat. I guarantee you he’s more familiar with Phatty’s intimate folds than he is with any insurgents’ principal financial supporters. And it appears he knows less about what’s going on in Iraq than Phatty does (who hasn’t a clue, BTW). Is Fisky independently wealthy? Surely no one pays him to write this crap.
- Unfortunately such august publications as The Independent and The Guardian not only give the Fisktser oxygen, but paid contributions for his lame gibberish.
Once fine organs, like the Age and the SMH, they are sad leftist dishrags that perpetuate the stupidity of the perpetually outraged, and reinforce their sad, forty-year-old outlook.
Hippies were a larger blight than marxism- at least the commies wore uniforms.
- Only if a mortgaged house is hit in the process.Posted by Some0Seppo on 2007 03 01 at 11:15 AM • permalink
- Eighteen teenagers were killed on Monday at a football field east of Baghdad.
Robert Fisk is incapable of writing anything halfway incoherent. He accepts that “18 teenagers were killed”, and then goes on to write that nothing of the sort happened, or it might have happened, but nobody knows for sure, because “truth in Iraq is like water, often polluted”, and Western journalists no longer can investigate these matters (kind of hard to do anyway from a nice, comfy hotel room in the Green Zone), but still and all, the world is indifferent to the killing of those 18 teenagers. Who maybe didn’t die. But did. Who pays this man, and don’t they bother to read what he allegedly writes?
- #8 nice!
It’s just kind of baffling. Is this meant to include attacks purely on Iraqi civilians, for which Americans aren’t targetted?
The only Robert Fisk story I ever found remotely convincing was the one where those Afghani punks beat him up and I laughed for a week straight. Now THAT I can believe…
- I suppose they met over say, dinner? And he’s gonna……double the size of his financial support?
This sounds like it came right out of American Pie…..“there was this one time, when I was at band camp….”
Posted by Old Tanker on 2007 03 01 at 02:37 PM • permalink
- Does he have a point beyond nothing is knowable in Iraq? Deep.Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2007 03 01 at 03:31 PM • permalink
- Fisk has marinated in ME culture for so long he has taken on its self-contradictory and self-defeating flavour.
Iraq demonstrates how badly Middle-eastern societies break down, given a chance. Saddam knew the poisoned chalice defence would work. Nurturing democracy in that context is ambitious, and without border control probably impossible.
There is no example to turn to of a properly functioning Arab (or Persian)society – perhaps a glimmer of hope in some smaller gulf states – the major ones are all either dysfunctional or held together by repressive force. The success story – Israel – is the one they all want to destroy.
- My sources tell me that Fisk is willing to divulge his sources only if he is beaten by a man in US military uniform.
For further beatings he is willing to offer a healthy retainer.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 03 01 at 05:38 PM • permalink
- It is not collateral damage when civilians are the target. Most Iraqis killed in the wanton bombings are not within coo-ee of an American. In fact, having American soldiers nearby seems to reduce the chance of being blown apart.
But that is beside the point. It is another Fisk fabrication. He does it so often now he can’t write any other way.
- #17 Margos Maid
I think we could give a Digger a shot at it too
well since Oz is doubling the size of their military maybe 2 Diggers……
Posted by Old Tanker on 2007 03 01 at 06:30 PM • permalink
- As it is Friday and I am in a fair to middling mood, I am prepared to forego the offer of Fisk “Sucking My Nuts” in exchange for footage of Fisk been beaten to a pulp by a gang of Afghan kiddies.
My offer is open until 16:00edst.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 03 01 at 08:24 PM • permalink
- Why do these drooling rabid death monkeys always sound so reasonable, in a cool Bond villain sort of way, when interviewed by the Fiskmeister?
Further, why is he the only Zionist Crusader infidel who can get within a dinner table of these guys and walk away with his head still attached? Or do they just refuse to reach far enough up his ass to saw it off?
Posted by Steve Skubinna on 2007 03 02 at 12:45 AM • permalink
Does he have a point beyond nothing is knowable in Iraq? Deep.
“It’s Chinatown, Fisk…”
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 03 02 at 02:08 AM • permalink
- I’m in the US so I don’t really know this Fisk character. Is it really possible in Oz to have a paying journalism job and not know the difference between “collataral damage” and the deliberate murder of women and kids in marketplaces?Posted by dean martin on 2007 03 02 at 04:03 AM • permalink
- the innocent along with the guilty
OK I guess by Fisks’s lights that’s civilians along with the coalition soldiers. Odd way of putting it though. Most people would give enemy soldiers the benefit of the doubt – in that they (the soldiers) might just be obeying orders, rather than being ideological adversaries.
Fisk seems to be saying that individual soldiers in the COW are personnally guilty.
That would be like me characterising the market place suicide bombers as murderers rather then victims of a Satanic death cult.
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A combo of him and Rudi Guilliani would be harder to beat than an armoured sadist with the only key to the whip cabinet.
The Hildebeest may have to get used to correcting Bill, on a daily, maybe hourly basis, and no more than they both richly deserve.