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Ever wondered how to reconcile apparently contradictory statements in the Koran? Bilal Abu Aisha has the answer:

The Prophet ordered naming newborns on the seventh day. That is as soon as they were born. Allah’s Messenger said: “Every child is mortgaged with its Aqeeqah, which is to be slaughtered for it on its seventh day. On that day, it should also be named, and its head should be shaved.” On the other hand the Prophet said: “A baby boy was born for me this past night. So I named him with my (great grand) father’s name, Ibrahim.” The best way to reconcile between the Prophet’s statements is by allowing both of them to hold simultaneously.

Sorted. The Green faith, popular in the west, may have to adopt a similar stance. Next Monday the ABC will broadcast a BBC program on the horror of global dimming, allegedly responsible for “many thousands of deaths through drought and famine”:

Global dimming is a product of the fossil fuels that cause global warming. It is the result of tiny airborne pieces of soot, ash and sulphur compounds reflecting back the heat of the sun.

By allowing less sunlight to reach the Earth, global dimming is cushioning us from the full impact of global warming, climatologists say. They fear that as we burn coal and oil more cleanly, and dimming is reduced, the full effects of global warming will be unleashed.

Torch that Prius! Ban catalytic converters! The dimming must be maintained!

The overriding concern expressed by climate scientists in this program is that our climate will be radically altered, rendering many parts of the planet uninhabitable – unless concerted action is taken to combat both global dimming and global warming.

But combating global dimming will only expose us to the even greater threat of global warming. Never mind; as Bilal reminds us, “The best way to reconcile between the Prophet’s statements is by allowing both of them to hold simultaneously.” (Incidentally, most of our planet is already uninhabitable; we call these areas “oceans”.) Green is a religion, of course. Look what happens when ecological holy objects are threatened:

For the past four weeks, a group of protestors has been camped outside the General Motors facility in Burbank. They’re not upset about labor or wages or jobs going off shore, although they certainly could be. No, these people are irate because GM is about to destroy many of the last of the EV 1 electric cars that it built in the 1990s.

GM made one thousand of the clean ‘green’ cars, but leased most of them. Last August, when those leases were up, GM took back the cars. Since then, according to the protestors, GM has been crushing the cars in Mesa, Arizona.

Because nobody wants them. It’s just as well for global dimming that these anti-dim machines are meeting the crusher; greens should applaud, and demand the continued manufacture of Iran’s dim-friendly Paykan:

You may be able to smell Iran’s boxy national car five minutes before it rattles into view, but the imminent end of its production line has stirred mixed emotions.

The square-cut and gas-guzzling Paykan, Persian for arrowhead, is familiar to Britons because its design is the same as the Hillman Hunter car of the 1960s and 1970s. Many of the Paykans spluttering through the tides of Tehran traffic are well over 30 years old.

They will save us from the warming. Hail Paykan, blocker of the sun!

Posted by Tim B. on 03/17/2005 at 10:28 AM
    1. I thought global dimming was caused by the education system.

      Posted by Evil Pundit on 03/17 at 10:40 AM • #


    1. How about “God is omniscient” and “Man has free will.”

      This latest global warming theory is awesome. Brilliant deconstruction, Tim. So, so far, we have:

      Pollution is blotting out the sun and causing another Ice Age; pollution is trapping greenhouse gases and causing catastrophic warming; pollution is doing something-or-other that is causing global warming which is somehow-or-other leading to another Ice Age; and now, pollution-caused cooling and warming are happening simultaneously and are in equilibrium, which is somehow bad. Got it.

      Reminds me of a conversation I had with my Catechism teacher:

      “If the bread and wine are tranformed into the body and blood of Christ, how come they don’t taste like it?”

      “That’s part of the miracle.”

      Posted by Dave S. on 03/17 at 10:57 AM • #


    1. Transformed bread and wine tastes like chicken.

      Posted by rhhardin on 03/17 at 11:00 AM • #


    1. OK, it’s not global warming and it’s not global cooling, it’s um… um…

      Global Temperature Change!

      Yeah, that’s it!  Temperatures keep changing all over the world!  What the hell are Bush and Howard going to do about it?  Huh?  Huh?  Nothing! Because The Man makes money off temperatures changing all the time!

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 03/17 at 11:05 AM • #


    1. Holy Christ, Richard, you’re right!

      Yesterday it was 38 degrees here. Today it’s 40! Tomorrow they’re saying it might be 35!

      Arrrgggghhhh We’re doomed!!!!

      Posted by Dave S. on 03/17 at 11:20 AM • #


    1. Global Dumbing would accuratly summarise the last 10-15 years of BBC “factual” programming.

      I watched an old BBC documentary on the Falklands war and it was excellent, I watched a recent BBC mockumentary on disease and it had a graphic showing DNA with 3 strands!

      The BBC is 2.8 BILLION pounds a year of propaganda, maybe Oz and the US should slap tarrifs on programs produced by forced labour?

      Posted by Rob Read on 03/17 at 11:26 AM • #


    1. I use the phrase “so hot it’s cold” to describe the “I have a nightmare” crowd.

      Posted by Rob Read on 03/17 at 11:27 AM • #


    1. My fellow Morons, we must outlaw clouds, if we are to survive. In order to save the world we must destroy it. Or is it the converse?

      I believe the EPA once carried water vapor as a “pollutant” on its site, that is, until Bush=Hitler came in with plans to kill all the Infidels, including himself. Sound familiar? Islamofascists transposed to be Bush.

      But, my Morons: “You hurt the ones that I love best, and cover up the truth with lies. One day you’ll be in the ditch, flies buzzing around your eyes, blood on your saddle.” Idiot wind….

      Morons instead become Islamofascists, sadomasochists, some real problems.

      Posted by J. Peden on 03/17 at 12:02 PM • #


    1. Rob, the US has the Public Broadcast System.  It ain’t quite the BBC, but close.  So the BBC comes over only on pay TV…..thank God!

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 03/17 at 12:06 PM • #


    1. The unfalsifiability of the Global Warming theory is beginning to trouble distinguished climate scientists like Hans von Storch

      The media are now claiming that all kinds of extreme events are increasing in frequency. Using this logic, a drought in the German state of Brandenburg fits together seamlessly with a catastrophic flood of the Oder River and the two events don’t contradict each other.

      The whole article is well worth reading.

      Posted by rexie on 03/17 at 12:11 PM • #


    1. Ow – I had to read that twice to be sure it wasn’t a put-on.  So the extent of the possible catastrophe of global warming may be mitigated by the benefits of global dimming, which have common root causes?  Where’s my aspirin?

      Reminds me of this article from JunkScience about the problems greens are having: “the apparently cooling stratosphere is masking observation of anticipated warming in the troposphere.” Except that the stratosphere is warming… resulting in the question “How long, do you suppose, before they come up with the old shell game: stratospheric cooling being masked by tropospheric warming?”

      One other thing – according to an interview on Canada’s CBC Radio (like the BBC, but not as conservative) those EV 1 protesters have offered to buy all the remaining cars to the tune of $25000 each.  They may be loopy, but at least they’re willing to put their money where their mouths are.

      Posted by whiteotter on 03/17 at 12:33 PM • #


    1. “The overriding concern expressed by climate scientists in this program is that our climate will be radically altered, rendering many parts of the planet uninhabitable

      apparently this guy has never been to texas.

      Posted by sk on 03/17 at 12:39 PM • #


    1. That’s another beef I have with the chicken littles – sure, some spots would become unihabitable. But Greenland would be, well, green, and Canadians wouldn’t have to huddle against our northern border for warmth.

      I’m in Maine, ten miles from the coast. I welcome global warming. I’ll get waterfront property and balmy winters.

      Posted by Dave S. on 03/17 at 12:52 PM • #


    1. Well, I was just going to walk over to Starbucks for some soulless corporate globalist espresso, but now I think I’ll drive!

      Just doing my bit to end global capitalism and global warming both!

      Posted by Patricia on 03/17 at 01:07 PM • #


    1. I think I’ve got it figured out.

      1. Driving cars causes catastrophic global cooling due to sunlight being reflected by the atmosphere.

      2. Driving cars causes catastrophic global warming due to increased CO2 in the atmosphere.

      Ergo, we are suffering from catastrophic global temperature stasis. Something must be done!

      Posted by Bruce Rheinstein on 03/17 at 01:18 PM • #


    1. You’re not quite right about the EV1, Tim.

      Those protestors are begging GM to sell them the cars rather than simply crush them and sell them for scrap. (They have even supposedly said they’re quite fine with GM giving up all support and parts supply, too – they just want to buy the cars, damn it.)

      GM’s reticence is puzzling, given especially the latter point.

      Posted by Sigivald on 03/17 at 01:37 PM • #


    1. There used to be a similar car produced in Kenya. It was mostly an obsolete British model, but the engine was from Peugeot tooling in order to achieve the mandated level of local content.

      There are also a few running around England with late model injected four valve motors, but that’s a whole nother story.

      Posted by triticale on 03/17 at 02:07 PM • #


    1. Let me follow this brilliancy prize, step by step:

      1. global dimming prevents global warming
      2. global dimming is caused by impurities in fossil fuel
      3. global warming is cause by fossil fuel itself
      4. less fuel, and fewer impurities in that fuel, is therefore bad.

      So should we resume incinerating our trash to save the Earth?

      Only a Green could theorize that increased efficiency is BAD.  No wonder they all drive limos and helicopters.

      Posted by Nightfly on 03/17 at 02:25 PM • #


    1. 1. & 6.

      Global dimming is the process caused by BBC propaganda.

      Posted by Kofi Annan on 03/17 at 03:04 PM • #


    1. “The overriding concern expressed by climate scientists in this program is that our climate will be radically altered, rendering many parts of the planet uninhabitable�?

      I lived two and a half years in Yuma, Arizona.  If people can live there they can live anywhere.

      As for GM’s decision to scrap the cars instead of sell them, I read that since they won’t be making spare parts for them anymore they are concerned with worn out parts creating a liability issue in the event of an accident.

      Posted by DanG on 03/17 at 03:50 PM • #


    1. Here’s a hyperlink to a genuine article about a fake turkey (it was on Catalyst last night).

      Posted by Andjam on 03/17 at 03:51 PM • #


    1. Where can I buy a coal-burning Humvee??

      Posted by Ioxymoron on 03/17 at 04:49 PM • #


    1. Global dimming is a product of the fossil fuels that cause global warming. It is the result of tiny airborne pieces of soot, ash and sulphur compounds reflecting back the heat of the sun.

      Sounds like they’ve just dusted off and rebadged the unfounded ‘nuclear winter’ theory they used to scare kids with in the 80s. I guess they’re greens so they’re into recycling…

      Posted by ArtVandelay on 03/17 at 07:06 PM • #


    1. Until recently many scientists had never heard of global dimming

      Well of course not…it hadn’t been invented yet.

      Greens really regard themselves (and all humans I guess) as something near to Gods.

      In their view, we are able to have a greater impact on our surroundings than those puny volcanoes, insignificant oceans, and the Sun itself.

      All this to satisfy our selfish desire for mobility and cheeseburgers.

      I hang my head low.

      Posted by Thomas on 03/17 at 07:33 PM • #


    1. Sigivald — I believe US car manufacturers are required by law to keep spare parts and servicing available for their models for a number of years.  So they would be required to do so for a line of cars that was not a success, that is not going to be manufactured in the future, and was basically coerced out of them by a single state’s green laws.  Not a whole lot of incentive there.

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 03/17 at 08:15 PM • #


    1. If they brought out this model in Tehran, it would be stoned in the street then shot.

      Posted by Habib on 03/17 at 08:29 PM • #


    1. Mr. Blair, you skirt a fine line between humour and bad taste.  I suspect that the later is more applicable.

      Clearly in a secular society, it is important that all religions are ridiculed equally.

      Islam and the “green” religion must be close to your heart, I therefore would like to offer you another view.

      Perhaps the Duality of the Theocrasy of the United States can be similarly reconciled?

      Perhaps Moses’ victory over King Og, can be likened to “the war on terror” as told in Deuteronomy

      1 Then we turned and went by the way of Basan: and Og the king of Basan came out to meet us with his people to fight in Edrai. 2 And the Lord said to me: Fear him not: because he is delivered into thy hand, with all his people and his land: and thou shalt do to him as thou hast done to Sehon king of the Amorrhites, that dwelt in Hesebon. 3 So the Lord our God delivered into our hands, Og also the king of Basan, and all his people: and we utterly destroyed them, 4 Wasting all his cities at one time, there was not a town that escaped us: sixty cities, all the country of Argob the kingdom of Og in Basan. 5 All the cities were fenced with very high walls, and with gates and bars, besides innumerable towns that had no walls.

      6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we had done to Sehon the king of Hesebon, destroying every city, men and women and children: 7 But the cattle and the spoils of the cities we took for our prey. 8 And we took at that time the land out of the hand of the two kings of the Amorrhites, that were beyond the Jordan: from the torrent Amen unto the mount Hermon, 9 Which the Sidonians call Sarion, and the Amorrhites Sanir: 10 All the cities that are situate in the plain, and all the land of Galaad and Basan as far as Selcha and Edrai, cities of the kingdom of Og in Basan.

      Hey, they killed all the women and children but at least they left the oil, sorry I mean cattle.

      The “though shalt not kill” commandment can be held simultaneously through a wonderful technique known as “doublethink�? I think a prophetic author may have spoken of this last century.

      Posted by mushtaq_omar on 03/17 at 09:57 PM • #


    1. Are you sure that program is not scheduled for today fortnight?  I’m surprised they didn’t call it something like global-shading, given the potential jokes out the new horror we’ve been warned of.

      Obviously someone is worried the warming message is being contradicted by the evidence and so a supplementary scare is needed.

      Posted by pedro on 03/17 at 10:10 PM • #


    1. I knew they’d eventually find a way to blame to problems of drought and deprivation in Africa on America.
      I can just hear one of them now…pointing to a starving child, some journalist in that irritating BBC sneer will say…”and THIS is the product of George W. Bush’s failure to sign Kyoto.”
      Turning catastrophes in Africa into YET ANOTHER stick to whack Americans will finally give them an excuse to pay some long over-due attention to the masses of suffering Africans. Up until now, much of the ‘bleeing heart’ Left hasn’t had any use for them.
      Global dimming…what next!? I can just hear it now…”oh it’s not as sunny as it was when I was a child.” BLOODY HELL! Maybe it’ll help our skin cancer rates???

      Posted by Brian on 03/17 at 10:34 PM • #


    1. Dear Mushtaq

      Your lengthy quotation from the “Bible” reflects nothing more than an effort by the jewish-controlled media of the day to distract from the plight of the Jebusites.

      Posted by Ioxymoron on 03/17 at 11:52 PM • #


    1. Ioxymoron, I’m assuming you are joking.

      However, the quotation is from the King James Bible version of the books of Deuteronomy.  I don’t think that there was much in the way of jewish controlled media then.

      Actually, unless Rupert Murdoch is Jewish, I don’t think that there is much in the way of Jewish media ownership now.

      Posted by mushtaq_omar on 03/18 at 12:02 AM • #


    1. Global Dimming is caused by the vacuum between the ears of George W Bush, the man who makes Al Gore look like Einstein.  He has single handedly dropped the worlds IQ and social/religous tolerance to Dark Ages status.  Long live the crusades!

      However, we would be in total darkness if it wasn’t for the sun that supposedly shines from Condalisa’s arse.

      Posted by MaxV on 03/18 at 12:19 AM • #


    1. So, the world is going to starve because the soot in the atmosphere is filtering out the sunlight at the same time skin cancer is increasing because of higher levels of ultraviolet sunlight… makes sense to me.

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 03/18 at 12:22 AM • #


    1. Clearly in a secular society, it is important that all religions are ridiculed equally.

      You lost me after that. I don’t see mainstream Christians, Catholics, Buddhists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, etc. calling for the complete and utter destruction of nonbelievers. And before you can say anything about eternal damnation, the believers certainly aren’t out there sending nonbelievers on their way.

      Posted by david on 03/18 at 12:26 AM • #


    1. hey rayman. are you THE raymond vardanega? i’ve always admired your posts! they’re SO original.

      Posted by Deo Vindice on 03/18 at 12:58 AM • #


    1. If you think global dimming is bad, it’s nowhere near as bad as hydroxl acid pollution.

      Posted by steve68 on 03/18 at 01:01 AM • #


    1. . . . or dihydrogen monoxide!

      Posted by steve68 on 03/18 at 01:05 AM • #


    1. Mushtaq,

      It’s “Thou Shall Not Murder” not kill. Killing and murder are two different dogs.

      Posted by zefal on 03/18 at 01:34 AM • #


    1. This will be the only thing that will keep your kiddies safe- I suggest you get knitting immediately.

      Posted by Habib on 03/18 at 01:35 AM • #


    1. Even when the heathen knows not what they do, they bring forth the word of God.  We are at the end of days.

      Beginning with Tokyo on 10 March 1945 Moses, reincarnated as Curtis LeMay, smote 67 Japanese cities with fire.  Incendiary bombing from B29s destroyed 51% of Tokyo, taking the lives of 100,000 civilian men, women and children in the course of a single night.

      Over the next 5 months, LeMoses went on to smite 66 more Japanese cities with God’s fire, killing millions of civilians.

      Commo Lefties such as Robert S. McNamara (then a military statistician in Le Moses’ command, later CEO of Ford Motor Company, Secretary of Defence under Kennedy and Johnson, CEO of the World Bank etc) names LeMoses and himself a war criminal in the 2003 documentary “Fog of War�?.

      Which just shows how little these “liberals�? understand of God’s plan for humanity.

      These are the end times.  With the resurrection of militant Israel, and amid a sea of fire, Jesus will return for Armageddon.  True believers will be called up to heaven, and all else will be destroyed in God’s righteous fire.

      When Mushtaq_Omar says that all religions need equal ridicule, he consigns himself to the fiery pits.

      Posted by ssssabre on 03/18 at 01:58 AM • #


    1. oh dear.

      isn’t it good to know that mushtaq omar is a pilot.

      Posted by murph on 03/18 at 02:27 AM • #


    1. Murph, What is your point?

      Are you suggesting that because I opposed the US occupation of Iraq, that I am a terrorist?

      I ask administration to remove post 41 as it is an abhorrently racist comment.

      As for post 40, I hope that the rest of you are as scared as I am that this lunatic is roaming the streets.

      Posted by mushtaq_omar on 03/18 at 02:42 AM • #


    1. uh, i’m kinda concerned that mister omar has something to do with the aviation industry. i ask administration to remove mushtalk omo from the vicinity of ANY plane i’m about to fly on. as for post 42, i’ll be in touch with ASIO re YOU old boy.

      Posted by Deo Vindice on 03/18 at 02:49 AM • #


    1. Mushtaq Omar

      No.  I’m suggesting that you are a cunt.

      Posted by murph on 03/18 at 06:01 AM • #


    1. Statement 41 is Racist?

      Just as racist as stating that Louis Hissink is a geologist, I suppose.

      Andrea Please remove this comment NOW! It is Racist!

      Posted by Louis on 03/18 at 06:07 AM • #


    1. No it isn’t, it is terrorist! Geologist in charge of Bulldozer, unsupervised, lose on planet earth, will commit unspeakable crimes against (wails and ululus by the usual ululurers as fx) Mater Earth.


      Will the “Glowball Mining Industry” now be regarded as GeoTerrorists!

      arrrghhhhhhhh – the silliness of it all.

      Quick – some one quote the latest Margo to return me to reality.

      Posted by Louis on 03/18 at 06:11 AM • #


    1. Heads off to draft the next SMERSH comment for posting on Sunday.

      Posted by Louis on 03/18 at 06:13 AM • #


    1. Murph, What is your point?

      My point is that your analogy with Deuteronomy is bollocks.  If the West wanted to destroy the Muslim world, we would have done it many times over by now.  Nothing would have stopped us, least of all your imaginary friend Allah.  It’s only because the Western democratic tradition is to execute a war of annhilation as the last resort that Mecca and Medina aren’t two sheets of glass.

      Are you suggesting that because I opposed the US occupation of Iraq, that I am a terrorist?

      Nobody (including yourself) has previously mentioned the fact that you were or weren’t supportive of the continuation of the Iraqi Ba’athist regime.

      I ask administration to remove post 41 as it is an abhorrently racist comment.

      Who the hell are you?  Who made you the arbitrator of morality?  How is my comment racist?  I do not know what race you are.  For all I know you might have been born in Dubbo, have blue eyes and red hair, and drive cabs in Melbourne (between business trips to Afghanistan).  I’m attacking your evil religion, matey.

      Get one thing straight butt-boy:  Just because YOU don’t like something I say, doesn’t give YOU the right to attempt to censor me.  Just because YOU belong to a religion which teaches that its adherents are somehow superior to infidels and atheists (like me), does not make it so, nor entitle you to any special treatement within our society.

      Posted by murph on 03/18 at 06:24 AM • #


    1. Glad we’ve sorted that out.

      Now can we get back to global warming?

      Posted by rexie on 03/18 at 06:41 AM • #


    1. Rexie,

      You hav an error in your pronounciation!

      It is “Glowball Vorming”!

      🙂 Ya ?

      Posted by Louis on 03/18 at 06:54 AM • #


    1. I think the global frauding items that Tim posted above can be summed up as: American cars cause climate destruction, while Iranian cars undo the damage.

      Posted by Jim Geones on 03/18 at 06:55 AM • #


    1. I ask administration to remove post 41 as it is an abhorrently racist comment.

      When did Islam become a race?

      Posted by david on 03/18 at 06:59 AM • #


    1. david,

      you inadvertently raised an interesting idea – while Islam is not a race, (but a relgious belief), this obvious distinction is blurred when the word “Jew” or “Jewish” is used.

      If you are “Jewish” are you being identified as being religiously different to a “Christian”, or “Muslim” or “Bhuddist”?

      Or are you being identified as an ethnic group – (or sub-group) as Semetic, Caucasian, etc.

      Or are you being identified nationally – American, Canadian, or Australian?


      Posted by Louis on 03/18 at 07:15 AM • #


    1. Hey Mush-head. Don’t troll here. Don’t make me roll my eight-sided dice.

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 03/18 at 07:17 AM • #


    1. 8-sided die hmm, (goes back and looks at Dana, and other ancient tomes on crystallography).

      Takes out order to take out Admin for definitional silliness with a Gyro Gearloose, Custard Gun.


      Posted by Louis on 03/18 at 07:30 AM • #


    1. It does exist, of course, but not as a die used in crap.

      Double order of gloop.

      Posted by Louis on 03/18 at 07:57 AM • #


    1. Murph,

      Your comments are most upsetting to myself and family.

      We are peaceful people.  Please look into your heart and realise that a majority of Muslims are appalled by fundamentalism and violence.  Please don’t judge us by the minority.  Remember that there are over a billion of us.

      Posted by mushtaq_omar on 03/18 at 08:09 AM • #


    1. Your comments are most upsetting to myself and family.

      No one is talking about you and your family. Newsflash: everything isn’t about you.

      We are peaceful people.

      If you are confining that to you and your relatives I am willing to believe that, but I hardly think you are qualified to speak for the two billion Muslims worldwide.

      Please look into your heart and realise that a majority of Muslims are appalled by fundamentalism and violence.

      How on earth is he or anyone else to find this “realization” in his or her own “heart”? That’s a meaningless and cheap greeting-card sentiment. What you are actually asking is for someone to take your word—with no idea what your qualifications are for being an authority on this—that a majority of people are something about something. Please stop peddling perfumed bullshit here. I am losing patience with you.

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 03/18 at 08:25 AM • #


    1. Bloop – cool it !

      2 million ? Now that is inflation.

      Posted by Louis on 03/18 at 08:28 AM • #


    1. Louis, do yuo have some sort of problem?

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 03/18 at 08:30 AM • #


    1. No, just a well developed sense of droll humour.

      You? 🙂

      Posted by Louis on 03/18 at 08:32 AM • #


    1. Like Victor Borge, Danny de Vito (when reading his scripts verbatim), etc,

      Jeez, get a life already, in a Bronx sense 🙂

      Posted by Louis on 03/18 at 08:37 AM • #


    1. Like you said, Louis, “Jew/Jewish” works for all three. Which is why there is usually a qualifier attached: “Christian Jew,” for example. Obviously, not everyone in Israel is Jewish, or even a Jew, but they could all be defined as Israeli (sans tourists, I suppose), which is why you hear them named as such in news reports and the like.

      Posted by david on 03/18 at 09:02 AM • #


    1. david,

      interesting reply – it basically reduces to the silliness of finding a Jewish Muslim.

      I might be pedantic, but a Jewish Muslim???

      According to your rules, this is possible.

      OK, I am not Jewish or,, Islamist?, let alone Christian, but obviously the laws of logic that I am familiar with are not those you are with.

      Posted by Louis on 03/18 at 09:13 AM • #


    1. Already ?

      Posted by Louis on 03/18 at 09:36 AM • #


    1. Re 8-sided die

      All fair dice here

      Posted by rexie on 03/18 at 09:57 AM • #


    1. Murph,

      Your comments are most upsetting to myself and family.

      I think I’ve found the mysterious root cause for violence in the Muslim world. YOU ARE TOO GODDAM SENSITIVE.

      Posted by drscroogemcduck on 03/18 at 10:16 AM • #


    1. Louis, careful, she’s gonna go D20 on yer ass…

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 03/18 at 10:25 AM • #


    1. Roll….

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 03/18 at 11:14 AM • #


    1. ‘global warming’ vs. ‘pollution winter’

      Sounds like the plot of Fallen Angels

      Posted by Achillea on 03/18 at 11:59 AM • #


    1. Please don’t judge us by the minority.

      This seems to me a reasonable request.  It’s possible to argue how to determine the minority, but could that please be done on another thread so we can carry on with the business of mocking environuts on this one?

      Posted by Achillea on 03/18 at 12:09 PM • #


    1. I guess my Ford F150 pickup truck must be negative on the environment, since it has all that anti-pollution crap.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 03/18 at 01:51 PM • #


    1. I want to do my part to save the planet. Is there such a thing as a Trabant SUV?

      Posted by Paul Zrimsek on 03/18 at 02:11 PM • #


    1. It’s great news for Gore if the planet can perish from global warming and global cooling at the same time. Now he doesn’t have to worry about being contradicted by that giant glacier that keeps growing.

      Posted by Van Helsing on 03/18 at 04:15 PM • #


    1. Your comments are most upsetting to myself and family.

      Neither you nor I mentioned your family.  You seem to have a problem with containing the argument to the facts and matters at hand.

      We are peaceful people.

      Who?  Muslims?  Evidence?  There is violent conflict at every cultural fault-line on the planet which is shared by a large Muslim community – Israel/Palestine, Lebanon, Kashmir, Sudan, Chad, Nigeria, the Caucasus, Western China, Aceh, Timor and Thailand.  It doesn’t seem to matter where they are or who they are living beside – Hindu, Jew, Sikh, Christian, Buddhist – Muslims seem for some reason to get their tits in a tangle with their neighbours.

      Face it pal – your religion is violent and breeds violence because it was founded on violence and supremacy.  It treats other beliefs and religions with utter contempt.

      Please look into your heart

      Sorry, my brain will do for now.

      and realise that a majority of Muslims are appalled by fundamentalism and violence.

      What kind of fundamentalism and violence would that be?  The sort of stuff orchestrated by your brothers in the Umma which involves slaughtering 4 year old girls hiding under their beds? Or is it the type that is the figment of your medieval imaginations?

      Please don’t judge us by the minority.

      Is that a pretty please?

      Remember that there are over a billion of us.

      Don’t worry, I know.

      My question is this:  what have YOU done lately to counteract Muslim terrorism?

      Posted by murph on 03/18 at 06:14 PM • #


    1. It’s the fault of all those ‘Greens’-
      those tree hugging, vegitarian and vegan lefties have not yet understood it is they who are causing the problems, by emitting too much methane from the colorectal orifice- they will have to tighten up the anal ‘banal’ sphinter from which they emit too much fetid hot air!

      Posted by Rose on 03/18 at 06:39 PM • #


    1. What is the DM for a saving throw vs the Ban attack by the dreaded Killer Admin? (Like a Killer DM, except worse.)

      Posted by Patrick Chester on 03/18 at 06:43 PM • #


    1. Patrick — Which has the higher Charisma, a KDM or a KA?

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 03/18 at 08:11 PM • #


    1. Let’s find out. (Rolls…)

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 03/18 at 09:20 PM • #


    1. Richard: Killer admin. Killer DMs (in this case, Dungeon Master) are from an old April Fool’s issue of Dragon magazine. They at least can be subdued. Killer admins, otoh are immune to that.

      (…and it’s DC for the saving throw. This d20 stuff is conflicting with my knowledge of other gaming systems. Difficulty Modifiers (DM) are from Traveller.)

      Posted by Patrick Chester on 03/19 at 02:03 AM • #


    1. Having seen (most of) the BBC show on 4 Corners, we have found it difficult to read all the above comments and not feel vastly disappointed at most of the commentator’s intolerance, the verbal abuse, the obvious hatred they feel for people who give a damn about the future of this planet. And at the hopelessness of our situation when (seemingly) so many people think the way they (collectively) seem to think.

      We see very little evidence of anyone wanting to impartially examine the evidence and come up with an independent assessment of the issues. Rather you all present as a bunch of trained seals, ready to jump on the circus bandwagon on cue as it rolls past.

      Just on the specific issue of global dimming, can you not admit the ‘possibility’ that the phenomenon of global dimming, if it exists, may have had an alleviating effect on the phenomenon of global warming, if it exists, and that cleaner methods of burning fossil fuels, while ameliorating particulate air pollution locally, may be contributing to the diminishing of the dimming effect, thus speeding up global warming.

      Only a fool would look at the above and say ‘well let’s burn fuel dirtier then’, and to give you all the benefit of the doubt, we’ll allow that you were all ‘just joking’.

      Climate science is obviously beyond the scope of the current technology. Predictions of global warming are just that, predictions, and not firm fact, but to react to all and every attempt by scientists to draw our attention to possible future scenarios with scorn, belittlement, and braying bigotries would align one, in a different century, with those who insisted the Sun revolved around the Earth.

      Why are you, like your forebears, so violently angry with those who don’t share your ideas? Do you not share a concern for the future habitability of the Earth? It almost seems like you guys would like to promote the environmental degradation of the planet. ‘Bring it on’ you seem to be saying, and bugger the consequences. ‘And if we can get some fun out of kicking those who give a damn along the way, well all the better.’

      Perhaps you do not agree with environmentalists about what are the major concerns in the world today, yet can you not accept that they are not, for the most part, motivated by anything other than a concern for the continued existence of humanity on an Earth that can sustain its burden of biota in conditions not much worse, or hopefully even better than, today. Is this evil?

      We are sure that most of you share this concern. Some of you have children and, unless there is something really dark in your hearts, we assume that you would like them and their children’s children to continue to be able to experience the delights of the natural world, to breathe relatively clean air, to drink clean water etc. Disagreeing on the modus operandi seems small cheese in comparison to our collective acceptance that we share our fate with the fate of this planet.

      But enough of this. Our main concern is not the specific issues that are raised and thrashed around on sites like these, but rather with the tone of debate, which is anything but constructive. On sites (unlike this one) that allow for debate, protagonists from both sides fall so easily into childish abuse that Australia’s parliament looks good in comparison. On this site, of course, the donkeys all came from the same sire. I have a reasonable amount of respect for Mr Blair who can at times be even-handed. We feel certain that he would prefer to have a constructive debate in this forum rather than the current blagging war with which it is afflicted.

      Posted by loadedog on 03/22 at 12:50 AM • #


  1. Thank God for loadedog. I too am appalled by the tone and quality of the comments about this article. I see almost NO analysis other than fairly puerile gloating and bandwagon-jumping and I’m NOT a global-warming advocate. But I am from a science background. I see little if any science here at all.

    What I see is fear. That maybe there is some truth here that will take just a little more braintime than it does to spout the anti-leftist party-line.

    I challenge you to attack the facts. The hypothesis that dimming has masked warming is not in itself absurd. What is absurd is the irrational response of many if not most of the writers.

    May I suggest that you forego the ad-hominem attacks tempting as they might be and THINK about the facts. And not simply to bolster your own preconceptions but to find the TRUTH.

    Isn’t that what’s important?

    Posted by ronvanwegen on 03/22 at 08:28 AM • #