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The Melbourne Age is deeply concerned about Hizb ut-Tahrir recruiting in Australia:

A radical Islamic group linked to the London bombings, and outlawed in British universities and across the Middle East, has launched an underground recruitment campaign aimed at Muslim youth in Sydney.

The group, Hizb ut-Tahrir, which describes suicide bombers as martyrs and openly advocates the destruction of Western ideals, held its second meeting behind closed doors in western Sydney on Friday night.

This concern may be more believable had The Age not previously published an opinion piece by an unrepentent member of Hizb ut-Tharir. Mark Steyn has more on the editor of Hizb ut-Theage and Western apologistas:

Bomb us, and we agonise over the “root causes” (that is, what we did wrong). Decapitate us, and our politicians rush to the nearest mosque to declare that “Islam is a religion of peace”. Issue bloodcurdling calls at Friday prayers to kill all the Jews and infidels, and we fret that it may cause a backlash against Muslims. Behead sodomites and mutilate female genitalia, and gay groups and feminist groups can’t wait to march alongside you denouncing Bush, Blair and Howard. Murder a schoolful of children, and our scholars explain that to the “vast majority” of Muslims “jihad” is a harmless concept meaning “decaf latte with skimmed milk and cinnamon sprinkles”.

Until the London bombings. Something about this particular set of circumstances – British subjects, born and bred, weaned on chips, fond of cricket, but willing to slaughter dozens of their fellow citizens – seems to have momentarily shaken the multiculturalists out of their reveries. Hitherto, they’ve taken a relaxed view of the more, ah, robust forms of cultural diversity – Sydney gang rapes, German honour killings – but Her Britannic Majesty’s suicide bombers have apparently stiffened even the most jelly-spined lefties.

“Momentarily” is right. Watch ‘em quickly return to a “relaxed view”.

Posted by Tim B. on 07/25/2005 at 10:58 AM
    1. “Hizb ut-tahrir”? Sounds like the noise a pious muslim would make on being informed that he had just unwittingly eaten a bacon sandwich. Maybe the radicals think that making the names of their little secret societies unpronouncable will help foil our intelligence services.

      Posted by paco on 2005 07 25 at 01:54 PM • permalink


    1. Hey, they can’t all be as catchy as the MILF (Moro Islands Liberation Front)…

      Posted by BruceW on 2005 07 25 at 02:12 PM • permalink


    1. Waiting , waiting , waiting …
      For someone to point out a benefit of multiculturalism apart from the varied food.The coherence of our society is weakened by the fragmentation combined with PC attitudes working against assimilation.

      These groups should be stamped out. Further, any country has a right to be discriminatory regarding immigrants.

      Posted by blogstrop on 2005 07 25 at 05:00 PM • permalink


    1. Truth in advertising…

      Link -> Hizb ut Tahrir

      A choice excerpt from the “leaflet” reveals:

      O Muslims, we know that such material actions, such as explosions and the like in cities among civilians will not solve the problem of the aggression of Kufffar against the Muslims, let alone the fact that is not allowed inside the cities or among civilians.

      What will solve the problem is the creation of a state for the Muslims, the Khilafah Rashidah, which will return the Ummah to the situation with which Allah will be pleased; the position of the best Ummah brought forth for mankind. It will bring back her glory and power and cut the hand of every Kafir colonialist who extends his hand (to harm) the Muslim countries and it will protect Islam, the honour of Muslims and their sanctities. It will begin the conquests and spread goodness to all corners of the world.

      Yup – that’s about it. One big happy Allah-fearing world, with the Caliph in charge and and all us infidels at the proper level (or dead).

      What boggles me is why doesn’t someone – ANYONE – publicly acknowledge that this aim – the Kalifah – is really what Islam is striving for?

      Posted by dc981924 on 2005 07 25 at 05:15 PM • permalink


    1. Democracy: Government by one demos, one people, one culture.

      Multi-culturalism: A way of breaking up and destroying the demos.

      P.S. As a minarchist I’m not a great fan of either.

      Posted by Rob Read on 2005 07 25 at 05:34 PM • permalink


    1. Yes indeed The Age and its support for submission to Islam has brought new meaning to the old Queensland saying ’ the best thing about Melbourne is the road out of it’.

      Posted by davo on 2005 07 25 at 06:02 PM • permalink


    1. I’m with Blogstrop.

      Er, Rob Read, wotsa ‘minarchist’? Small vertically-challenged monarchist; minimal-monarchist? Or is it just a slop of the finger…

      Posted by kae on 2005 07 25 at 06:54 PM • permalink


    1. Letters in today’s Australian attacking Steyn’s opinion piece.

      When threats of attacks from terrorists are predicted, do we all go running back, in a knee-jerk reaction, to an Australia of the 1950s which the PM clearly yearns for – intolerant, stuffy, condescending and one-dimensional?

      Er, dunno about Mitty O’Shea (see letters section 2),  but I’m pretty intolerant of terrorism and opinions preached to destroy the very heart of our free, democratic society.

      Posted by kae on 2005 07 25 at 07:09 PM • permalink


    1. dc
      What boggles me is why doesn’t someone – ANYONE – publicly acknowledge that this aim – the Kalifah – is really what Islam is striving for?YES YES YES.
      And it has been plainly obvious to anyone with even a smattering of knowledge of islamic History for years.
      The reasons why western govs have ignored it is indeed an interesting subject in itself.

      Posted by davo on 2005 07 25 at 07:16 PM • permalink


    1. Hizb ut Tahrir: What will solve the problem is the creation of a state for the Muslims

      This could be arranged.  There must be an Antarctic island or two nobody else has a use for.

      Posted by Achillea on 2005 07 25 at 08:02 PM • permalink


    1. Once we’ve swiped all the oil, give em’ the entire gulf- they’re welcome to it; it’s not as if there’s going to be a Club Med Doha in the foreseeable future. Oh, and throw in Somalia, the Sudan and Western Sahara; unless there’s a worldwide dirt shortage in the near future, they can scamper around the dunes molesting ruminants and engaging in frisky tribal scuffles to their atavistic heart’s content, and not bother us in the least.

      Posted by Habib on 2005 07 25 at 08:27 PM • permalink


    1. Hizb ut Tahrir was the name of an old whore I met in Tunis. Quite the goer!

      Posted by scowler on 2005 07 25 at 08:37 PM • permalink


    1. I just can’t get the mindset.  If some scowler on the street walks up to you and threatens to kill you, even a multiculturalist would have to take him seriously.  But apparently, if a whole culture threatens to kill you, that particular threat must be politely ignored.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2005 07 25 at 08:54 PM • permalink


    1. Hey, they’re just sassy, not violent!

      Posted by Patricia on 2005 07 25 at 09:49 PM • permalink


    1. There has been a distinctly different tone from the Age/ABC/SMH with regards to the London bombings as opposed to the reflexive sarcasm which followed the attacks of September 11. I guess they all see themselves as colonial branches of the BBC and, as such, are taking the attacks on their beloved London a bit more personally (?) Who knows?
      Whoever is responsible for that opinion piece quoted above…THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
      It’s about time someone said it. It’s quite powerful to see this absurdity exposed so starkly in black and white.
      I’m not so sure however that multiculturalism is the problem. It seems to me only one culture is to blame!

      Posted by Brian on 2005 07 25 at 10:51 PM • permalink


    1. Mark Steyn!
      I want to smother you with kisses Homer Simpson Style!
      Thanks Mate!
      Thanks Tim & Andrea! I think I can skip my blood pressure medication today 😉

      Posted by Brian on 2005 07 25 at 10:58 PM • permalink


    1. Its a bad week for Muslim extremists in Australia. They have been interviewed stating that bin Laden is a ‘good man’ – one was caught telling his audience that Muslims compare with ‘infidels’ like pure rainwater to sewer water. And that its impossible for ‘infidels’ and Muslims to be friends.

      They dont appear to realise that everything they say makes Australians see them as dangerous aliens.

      I would say that the mask has well and truly slipped.

      Posted by dee on 2005 07 25 at 11:07 PM • permalink


    1. RebeccaH stop using me as an example. I wouldn’t threaten you at all – especially if you’re cute. Unlike Wahabbists, scantily dressed women don’t evoke any immediate need in me to jump their bones, fling stones, or even Koranic curses. Unlike those Paki boys in Sydney I am not rendered a helpless rapist at the sight of perkies in a tight t-shirt.

      Your comparison is a good one though … considering that most lefties would probably punch out an aggressor on the street, it seems beyond weird that they excuse a gestapo-like culture of religious nutbars whose expertise includes blowing up children. But then lefties have an unbreakable faith in the inherent goodness of downtrodden assholes, that nothing can shake. Crazed Jihadis could unleash a plague of ebola infected monkeys on our collective head, and the commies would try desperately hard to empathize with their tormentors while twitching and frothing at the mouth in their final death throes.

      Posted by scowler on 2005 07 25 at 11:08 PM • permalink


    1. The CRIMES ACT 1914 – SECT 24D defines as an offence “Seditious words”. The definition is:

      (1) Any person who, with the intention of causing violence or creating public disorder or a public disturbance, writes, prints, utters or publishes any seditious words shall be guilty of an indictable offence.

      The enalty for “seditious words” is imprisonment for 3 years.

      So why isn’t the Commonwealth DPP taking action against Hizb ut-Tahrir and Melbourne’s crazy mullah under this legislation?

      Posted by kywong73 on 2005 07 25 at 11:14 PM • permalink


    1. ” … seems to have momentarily shaken the multiculturalists out of their reveries”.

      SHEIKH KHALID YASIN: ‘Our message is to young people, young brothers and sisters — trust is sacred, and how can you put a sacred trust in the hands of a non-Muslim that doesn’t understand what that sanctity is about?’

      SHEIKH KHALID YASIN: ‘There’s no such thing as a Muslim having a non-Muslim friend, so a non-Muslim could be your associate but they can’t be a friend. They’re not your friend because they don’t understand your religious principles and they cannot because they don’t understand your faith’.

      SHEIKH MOHAMMAD OMRAN: ‘We choose to come to Australia as Australia welcomed us to come. You didn’t choose to come to Australia anyhow. And we believe we have more rights than you because we choose Australia to be our country and you didn’t. So don’t come to me now because you are the majority or you are in the power now to say to me, “Well, this is only my way or the highway”. I won’t accept that’.

      DANNY NALIA: (one of the two pastors sentenced to prison for ‘defaming Islam)
      “We have just sacrificed freedom of speech and democracy for Islamic Sharia law by stealth”.

      SHEIKH KHALID YASIN: ‘If you prefer the name of somebody on your clothes other than the name of the Muslims, if you prefer the clothing of the Kaffers other than the clothing of the Muslims, most of the names that’s on most of those clothing is faggots, homosexuals and lesbians. God is very straightforward about this — not we Muslims, not subjective, the Sharia is very clear about it, the punishment for homosexuality, bestiality or anything like that is death. We don’t make any excuses about that, it’s not our law — it’s the Koran’.

      You heard him folks – ITS THE KORAN.

      Posted by dee on 2005 07 25 at 11:15 PM • permalink


    1. But Khomeini was good with bestiality…

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 07 25 at 11:19 PM • permalink


    1. re: 20. Dee

      Lots more of this interview at 60 Minutes

      Posted by kae on 2005 07 25 at 11:22 PM • permalink


    1. And it’s interesting to note that Sheikh Khalid Yasin has applied for Australian Residency

      PETER OVERTON: That’s certainly the kind of message Sheikh Khalid Yasin was preaching at Bankstown Town Hall 10 days after the London terrorist bombings — this from a man who was about to apply to become an Australian resident.

      How much you wanna bet he will get it?

      I’d love to be proved wrong on this, to be shown that the “wake up”  alarm has sounded!

      Posted by kae on 2005 07 25 at 11:25 PM • permalink


    1. Scowler — No, they wouldn’t.  In Paris, the lefties stood around and waited to be mugged by the very Muslims they were protesting in support of.  And the ones I’ve met in the States have been absolute candyasses, great with the threats (especially to women and kids) but advancing like the French army (straight to the rear) when confronted.

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 07 26 at 01:12 AM • permalink


    1. #12, No, Scowler, His Butt to Hire was an old drag queen in Tunis. Anyway, glad you had fun.

      Posted by mr magoo on 2005 07 26 at 01:52 AM • permalink


    1. Scowler,

      The last major confrontation I recall between “commies” and Jihadis was in Afghanistan in the ‘80s. The commies were expressing their empathy via AKs and Hind gunships (though it didn’t save them in the end).

      Not all lefties, then or now, are limp-wristed about dealing with Islamist lunatics.

      Posted by Lionel Mandrake on 2005 07 26 at 03:36 AM • permalink


    1. That’s kind of like saying not all clinically insane people hear voices in their head. It’s great, but what about the other 98%, Lionel?

      Posted by PW on 2005 07 26 at 05:26 AM • permalink


    1. #18, Scowler, abject apologies for inappropriate use of your name!  I believe my eye tricked my brain, as your post was directly above mine.

      I find Sheikh Omran “We have more rights than you” distinctly scary.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2005 07 26 at 10:15 AM • permalink


    1. Lionel: Not all lefties, then or now, are limp-wristed about dealing with Islamist lunatics.

      And, credit where credit is due, the PRC doesn’t exactly play patty-cake with them, either.

      Posted by Achillea on 2005 07 26 at 11:54 AM • permalink


    1. When are secular lefties going to stop excusing/appeasing religious, extreme right-wing conservative ratbags i.e. Islamic fundamentalists?

      I can’t take the irony much longer captain..

      Posted by Srekwah on 2005 07 26 at 01:50 PM • permalink


    1. Mandrake
      calling islamic Jihadists lunatics is just excusing them for their slaughters of innocent folk.
      They are not Lunatics.
      they are followers of islam.

      Posted by davo on 2005 07 26 at 07:28 PM • permalink


    1. Encouraging letter in today’s Age:

      Don’t speak for me
      It was interesting to hear Melbourne cleric Sheikh Mohammed Omran speaking in the media about Islamic issues. I was born a Muslim and I will always be a Muslim, but I will never agree with his opinions and his strange interpretation of my religion. He does not, and never will, represent me. My homeland, Afghanistan, was destroyed and people’s lives were ruined because of the poisonous opinions of some imams and mullahs. I would ask Sheikh Omran not to speak on my behalf any more.
      I. Saydi, Thornlie, WA

      Does this mean that I shouldn’t abandon hope?

      Posted by kae on 2005 07 26 at 08:10 PM • permalink


    1. Forgive me for throwing up over my keyboard BUT it does make me gag to read Muslims, who have been silent as tombs since 9/11, suddenly start decrying the bastardization of their religion by “fanatics” after the outrages in London.

      Let’s back up a little. Prior to 9/11 mosques throughout western Europe, N. America and even in esteemed Aussieland, were CRAWLING with Wahhabists and jihadist shit disturbers. Did ANY imam at that time come forward to either the media or the authorities to say – “Um, I think we might have a little problem in our midst”. If one or two did, please give me their names.

      Let’s take a hypothetical scenario in which Christian churches on these continents become infested with neo-Nazi, Aryan type nutbars who believe they must begin a crusade worldwide and start blowing up innocents like there is no tomorrow. Would ministers and concerned Christians step forward and blow the whistle? You bet they would. In droves.

      How can Muslims pretend that they are committed to democracy and an egalitarian society, when they have quietly facilitated the traffic in their mosques that has resulted in all this mayhem.

      Forget the eerie silence of Muslims prior to 9/11. What about the months afterwards? Did one major Muslim leader in America or Europe step forward to unconditionally condemn Al Qaeda and to add force to the words by issuing fatwahs against these “perverters of Islam”? No they didn’t. The fatwah issued by imams in Spain following the Madrid train bombings was issued to protect the asses of the Islamic community in Spain from revenge attacks by outraged Spaniards. So they only issued the fatwah as an internal security measure basically – not because they reject everything bin laden stands for.

      Muslims in the west are a deeply conflicted people. They can’t play this double game any longer. Either they are willing to support democratic values and the aims and ideals of a pluralistic society – or they are not. Sorry folks, there is no in-between “luxury” category reserved for followers of Mohammad. 

      To all Muslims in here struggling with this – make your damn minds up – and fast!!

      Posted by scowler on 2005 07 27 at 09:33 AM • permalink


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