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Detailed state-by-state predictions from Election Projection for both parties on Super Duper Tuesday. Or, as it’s known in Australia, “Wednesday”.

Might be a big time for Makaniak. Full coverage at PJM.

Posted by Tim B. on 02/05/2008 at 10:14 AM
    1. The polls here in CA have been open for three minutes now.  CNN is calling the state for Ron Paul.  Exit polling indicates the gold standard and the UN black helicopter threat are decisive voter issues.

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2008 02 05 at 11:04 AM • permalink


    1. Bit quieter south of Los Angeles.  Looking forward to casting a write-in for Thompson, followed by watching Casablanca as a reminder of how pointless it is to be such a rank sentimentalist.  (Side note: Goofball friend at work is considering a write-in for Ru Paul…)

      Posted by Apostic on 2008 02 05 at 12:11 PM • permalink


    1. Ugh.  As if having to listen to the endless bromides and meaningless sophistry of the candidates isn’t bad enough, now we must contend with the noise of little minds pretending expertise, telling us what they think is happening.  I use the term “think” as loosely as possible here.  What we are actually getting is their feelings about the various all-important polls of the disembodied masses.

      Posted by saltydog on 2008 02 05 at 12:24 PM • permalink


    1. #1: Well, that’s it for the Republican nomination, then. The Democratic side is likely to be more chaotic. My sources tell me that Dennis Kucinich, who dropped out of the race, was beamed aboard the mother ship and has assembled an extraterrestrial force of buxom, red-headed amazon warriors for the purpose of invading the Democratic convention and placing Kucinich at the head of the ticket. Could lead to some interesting debates.

      McCain: Mr. Kucinich, I’m already an advocate of open borders; you didn’t have to sneak into the country with your red-headed amazon army (straightens tie and smiles at Kucinich’s shapely handler, standing to one side).

      Kucinich: Would you like to field that one, XJ17K?

      XJ17K (Steps up to microphone; sounds of panting among men in audience, as she stands at the podium, dressed in tight-fitting jumpsuit with zipper open to navel): We scoff at your open borders policy, superannuated angry white male! Policy or no, we would still be here. We are the Righteous Intergallactic Left, and we are not bound by your bourgeois notions of democracy. (Pulls ray gun from holster and zaps McCain, who is immediately turned into a frog and begins hopping randomly about the platform).

      NYT headline: “McCain Flip Flops During Debate With Kucinich”

      Posted by paco on 2008 02 05 at 12:38 PM • permalink


    1. Well, it’s early Wednesday morning in OZ.

      Who won.

      Somebody had to do the obligatory day ahead joke.  It was simply my turn.

      Posted by yojimbo on 2008 02 05 at 12:51 PM • permalink


    1. Same message repeated form other places…with one *exception.

      Civic duty, accomplished. Thank you brave military around the world, for making my “civic duty”, my “civic duty.

      *This area is heavily infested with Paulians. The statute here is, that any or all material, people, T shirts, etc. may NOT be closer than 100 feet of the voting site.

      As I left our post office to get my mail, the voting station, is right next door across a parking lot, The American Legion building.

      The Paulians were out in force. As they approached me to hand some of their shit, I raised my left hand/arm (where my watch is) and said…(pointing to my watch)“my watch is a Movado, while certainly not the most expensive watch in the world, it is probably worth more than your combined bank accounts”.

      Did they like that….ummm, NO…but screw them.

      I voted and upon coming out, ‘they’ glared at me…I in return glared back and laughed.

      God, I feel great….:).

      Posted by El Cid on 2008 02 05 at 01:38 PM • permalink


    1. form=from…geezuz.

      Posted by El Cid on 2008 02 05 at 01:39 PM • permalink


    1. #4 paco


      You should be writing for SNL.

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 02 05 at 02:05 PM • permalink


    1. Good one, El Cid.

      Paulians are out here where I live, but not in large numbers, which tends to limit their obnoxiousness.

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 02 05 at 02:08 PM • permalink


    1. #8: Thanks, but there’s a writers’ strike going on, anyway.

      Posted by paco on 2008 02 05 at 02:18 PM • permalink


    1. #9 Spiny: So, there are Paulians where you live? If you look out of your window before retiring at night, I bet you’d see them standing in their front yards, gazing earnestly at the sky, just . . . waiting.

      Posted by paco on 2008 02 05 at 02:22 PM • permalink


    1. A think-piece from academic liberal Stanley Fish, which is typical of its kind: straight-forward, bold and imbecilic.

      Posted by paco on 2008 02 05 at 02:32 PM • permalink


    1. I have dupered.  Or perhaps been duped.

      Either way I have my sticker and even survived showing actual ID to vote.  Lawsuit pending 😉

      Posted by tabitharuth on 2008 02 05 at 03:31 PM • permalink


    1. Somebody tell Denny K. that Ron Paul is the Alien…

      Posted by mojo on 2008 02 05 at 03:50 PM • permalink


    1. The results of the Australian primary are in and it’s McCain v Obama

      “Australia gets ahead of the US once again. Will they follow our lead and endorse Obama and McCain? And if they do, will they also follow our lead in the election and go with the young professor with all the rhetoric rather than the old guy conviction politician?”

      let’s hope not

      Posted by eeniemeenie on 2008 02 05 at 05:36 PM • permalink


    1. O/T Just noticed this on the American Enterprise Institute Web page.

      “Australia’s John Howard Receives 2008 Irving Kristol Award”.

      Posted by Rod C on 2008 02 05 at 05:55 PM • permalink


    1. Any Americans out there care to speculate on Condi’s odds of running next time around?

      Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2008 02 05 at 08:44 PM • permalink


    1. WOZ – not a chance!  She’s even more radioactive to the conservatives than McCain.

      Posted by rabidfox on 2008 02 05 at 09:21 PM • permalink


    1. Me, I have to wait for Washington’s primary on 19 February.  And since my county is “vote by mail”, I can’t glare at any Paulbots on my way to the polls.  Pity, that.

      Re #17, Wizard, I doubt that Condi would win a presidential nomination in 2012.  While she has been Secretary of State, she’s only been there for 4 years, and has limited (if any) executive experience before that (IIRC, she was mainly a policy wonk).  Less than Hillary Clinton, in fact, even if you include her time as First Lady.

      And, IMHO, she’s been less than sterling as Secretary of State these last two years or so.  I’m aware that the problems at Foggy Bottom run deep, but AFAIK, she’s not trying hard to address them.

      None of this would sit well with most conservatives.  SO, probably not as President.  MAYBE as vice president…..that’s hard to say.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 02 05 at 09:23 PM • permalink


    1. 4.paco

      I for one welcome out new buxom, red-headed amazon overlords.

      This might be heresy, but i almost hope obama gets all the way to the presidency. It took a Jimmmah! Carter to get a Regan didnt it?
      Or would he do to much damage for that to be hoped for?

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2008 02 05 at 10:24 PM • permalink


    1. With respect to this primary business, does anybody remember an election cycle where practically all of the people in the race were disliked by such large blocks of voters? Well, maybe that’s not putting it quite rightly; I don’t know that Obama is actively “disliked” (except by die-hard Clintonites). Let me put it this way: does anyone remember an election cycle where there was such widespread exasperation among voters of both parties with the choices that were on offer? I recollect being astonished in ‘96 that the GOP couldn’t find anybody but Dole to run, and I wasn’t extraordinarily enthusiastic about Bush as the Republican candidate in 2000, but I don’t recall that there were vast numbers of voters who were fetched by the charms of None-Of-The-Above. I am frankly disconcerted – no, deeply concerned – that our country cannot do better than this in developing and encouraging competent, effective leaders who are committed to supporting (and, in some cases, restoring) the things that have made our nation great. It’s like watching a sort of inverted series of baseball playoffs among the worst teams in the two leagues to see who goes to the World Series.

      Posted by paco on 2008 02 05 at 10:39 PM • permalink


    1. #20: You got a point, there, frollicking.

      Posted by paco on 2008 02 05 at 10:43 PM • permalink


    1. #18 & 19, Thanks folks, i just cant bring myself to watch your political news for more than 30 seconds these days.  I had a gut full of that crap from our politicians last year.

      What was the story with Fred Thompson? He run out of money or something?

      #20, Frollick, “I for one welcome our new buxom, red-headed amazon overlords.”  Please tell me we didn’t just give Gillard a taxpayer funded boob job…

      Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2008 02 05 at 11:57 PM • permalink


    1. Hang on, isn’t buxom amazon an oxymoron?  Or at least half an oxymoron…

      Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2008 02 06 at 12:08 AM • permalink


    1. #21, Paco;

      You are not alone in your observation.  I cannot speak as anything more than an individual; the closest thing I come to belonging to a block died with Goldwater.  Anyway, my own thinking is this:

      I voted against Gore in 2000.  I held my unhappy nose in 2004 and voted for Bush because, as unhappy as I was with the conduct of the war, and the prescription bill, and the immigration problem, and the conduct of the war, there was no way in hell I was going to vote for Mr. Heinz.  All of the reasons I had for not liking Bush in the first place came to reality.  And for all the rightness of his wonderful speeches after 9-11, stating in no uncertain terms our right to defend ourselves, there is not one tenet of the stated principles that has not been abnegated, rendering the moral arguments null and void in the minds of too many, and the support for any part of a proper war against Islamofascism tenuous at best.  Add to the deficit that war brings, to the prescription for economic disaster involved in the Global Warming BS, with the government taxing the people so they can spend trillions to find alternative energy, rather than leaving things to the market and the energy industry, and we’ll have energy rationing, brown outs and black outs just to begin with.  I won’t go into what will happen then while the bureaucrats tinker with the laws that are causing the problem.  Just look at what’s happening to the medical industry to get a hint.

      There is so much wrong with what is being posited as policy, both domestic and foreign, that I find I can no longer attempt to determine the least evil.  I’ve spent my adult voting life doing that and all I’ve gotten for my breached integrity is a greater and growing evil.

      At least, that’s why I’m unhappy.  But that’s just me.  I know I’m going against many here (and elsewhere) in their thinking.  All I can say in my defense is that I do not see where my own sanction for the mess will make any difference.  I live in California and my vote hasn’t counted once in 20 years.

      Posted by saltydog on 2008 02 06 at 12:50 AM • permalink


    1. #25 Dear Salty: It is so good to hear from you! I wish it could be on a happier theme.

      I, too, am tired of voting for mediocre candidate A for no better reason than stopping god-awful candidate B. I will probably wind up doing it again, this time, but I confess, I’m beginning to feel like Confederate General Joseph Johnston, engaged in a slow, but inexorable, retreat.

      But, of course, cheerfulness will break in, again, no doubt. I felt pretty much that we were on the road to damnation during the administrations of Ford and (the execrable) Carter. Then Reagan happened.

      Posted by paco on 2008 02 06 at 01:03 AM • permalink


    1. #24: How come? Amazons were female warriors. Don’t tell me they were all flat-chested!

      Posted by paco on 2008 02 06 at 01:06 AM • permalink


    1. #23:Wizard

      Thompson ran out of votes.  He couldn’t gain any traction.

      Posted by yojimbo on 2008 02 06 at 01:29 AM • permalink


    1. #27, P.A.C.O., According to Hippocrates “They have no right breasts…for while they are yet babies their mothers make red-hot a bronze instrument constructed for this very purpose and apply it to the right breast and cauterize it, so that its growth is arrested, and all its strength and bulk are diverted to the right shoulder and right arm.” – Wiki second paragraph, third section.

      Something to do with improved archery if my memory serves.

      Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2008 02 06 at 01:57 AM • permalink


    1. I, too, am tired of voting for mediocre candidate A for no better reason than stopping god-awful candidate B.

      I hears ya, paco.  That’s been my voting mode since 1992, truth be told.  It just plain sucks.

      I don’t know that we have, as salty put it, “a greater and growing evil.”  We might, but it often seems that lazy idiots are taking over, and stupidity and evil are sometimes nearly identical.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 02 06 at 02:28 AM • permalink


    1. TRJS, I won’t equate stupidity with evil, but I will laziness.  And indifference.  And thinking that all’s well because, well, don’t we just muddle along somehow?  There are times when we accept the little evils so many times, that we find that it has turned into a soul-eating evil that crept up on us so slowly that it didn’t catch our attention.  What is the saying:  all that required for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing.  I’ve slowly come to appreciate just how insidious accommodating the little evils becomes.

      We haven’t demanded enough.  We’ve given them too damn much money and the corruption, and the power mongering, and the rats’ race for congressional favors is commiserate.  The worst part is that we now have several generations with no memory of anything else, and because of government schools and the political power of teachers unions, their knowledge of history, even the history of this country, is scant and skewed to fit the notions of the social engineers.

      Pay no attention.  I’ve been on lots of medicine.  That’s it.  Anyway, it’s time for more and bedtime.  As Scarlet would say, tomorrow is another day.

      Posted by saltydog on 2008 02 06 at 04:42 AM • permalink


    1. saltydog—it would be nice to be able to blame the mess on the candidates but…

      for example: we are told over and over again that voters in the US are worried about the economy.  Yet there are only two candidates in the race, Romney and Giuliani, who have proven records of being able to pull their city or state out of a financial mess.  Giuliani has already been run out of the race and Romney is fighting for his life.

      The three front-runners are all US Senators.  Anyone care to remember the last time the Congress solved an economic crisis rather than starting one?

      We are told that the voters oppose the Iraq war, yet the most openly hawkish candidate, McCain, is polling best among self-styled antiwar voters.

      I’m reminded of Heinlein’s old saying:
      <i>Vox Populi,Vox Dei means, “‘My God, how did we get in this mess?’”

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2008 02 06 at 11:04 AM • permalink


    1. #32: Excellent point, Richard. It ain’t like the voters are just innocent bystanders.

      Posted by paco on 2008 02 06 at 11:31 AM • permalink


    1. “We are told that the voters oppose the Iraq war,..”

      And if that were really the case, we would be getting out by now because Congress would have voted a timetable. We are also told that Americans are worried about our civil liberties being trampled upon.  If that were the case 41 Democrats in the House would not have voted for the “Protect America Act”  That would be roll call 836 for all of you playing the home version.

      Posted by yojimbo on 2008 02 06 at 02:16 PM • permalink


    1. Too true, richard.  Voters put those lazy idiots into office, so it follows that they are probably lazy, idiotic, or both as well.

      And let’s not forget two other applicable quotes from Heinlein:

      You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity.

      The capacity of the human mind for swallowing nonsense and spewing it forth in violent and repressive action has never yet been plumbed.

      (More Heinlein quotes)

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 02 06 at 03:49 PM • permalink


    1. “An armed society is a polite society” sorta sings.

      Posted by yojimbo on 2008 02 06 at 04:31 PM • permalink


    1. #20

      This might be heresy, but i almost hope obama gets all the way to the presidency. It took a Jimmmah! Carter to get a Regan didnt it? Or would he do to much damage for that to be hoped for?

      Be careful what you wish for. read this review of Obama’s autobiography. Since I have no intention of reading the actual book itself, this is as close as I’ll get, and it bothered me greatly.

      Actually I think conservatives should hope Clinton gets the Dem nomination, not for tactical reasons, but because Obama would be a disaster.
      Clinton might be bad in some ways, but mostly it would be business as usual. Not so Obama. He’s a utopian hippy college peacenik who is invoking the ghost of the sixties cultural revolution, and who has a passionate hatred of middle-class America.

      Also, everyone- almost everyone- was fooled by his “bomb Pakistan” comment. Really, Obama? I don’t believe it for a second. name one hawk, one real actual Hawk, who suggests that. It was like some silly parody of a Hawk position that no Hawk would ever actually suggest, that only someone on the far left would think was even remotely plausible. Yet it threw everyone off the scent.

      Posted by daddy dave on 2008 02 06 at 06:51 PM • permalink


    1. daddy dave, I agree, Clinton would be a far better president than Obama.  I’ll take self-interest over self-enlightenment any day.

      Of course, President Hillary would be a disaster as well, but at least the country would survive with it’s geographical boundaries more or less intact.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 02 06 at 08:25 PM • permalink


    1. The feeling around where I live kinda reflects the written accounts of how things were progressing in the US circa 1859ish.

      I live in CA, but in the central valley area which is much less libtard than the central coastal area.

      But, still, there are two very well defined sides to opinion and neither feels at all inclined to pursue peaceful coexistence with the other’n.

      Posted by Grimmy on 2008 02 06 at 09:15 PM • permalink


  1. #39, Grimmy, thats an interesting perspective.  From what i can tell from the state by state and county by county polling maps from your last presidential election, all the food growers and military bases are in the ‘red’ areas.

    Second time around sounds a bit one sided to me.

    Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2008 02 06 at 10:09 PM • permalink