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Dylan Kissane describes an international pro-am media process:

British journalist in Lebanon was on a television show hosted in Qatar debating an American and a Palestinian. An Australian in France heard what he said, passed the information to a blogger more than 13,000 kilometres away who – with aid from a worldwide readership – led to further uncovering of Fiskian untruths. Finally, a newspaper in Sydney published an article with further background questioning a fellow journalist in public in a way that a blogger can only do to their obviously more limited audience.

And all of this is entirely normal in a networked, globalised world.

Posted by Tim B. on 01/29/2007 at 11:03 AM
    1. Robert Fisk-giant asshat bringing people together across the globe.

      Posted by 68W40 on 2007 01 29 at 11:29 AM • permalink


    1. #1: Haw! I was going to say something fairly straight forward about the whole thing, but you have summarized the facts admirably, 91B30, and done so with pizzaz!

      Posted by paco on 2007 01 29 at 12:10 PM • permalink


    1. Fiskian untruths sounds like something out of philosophy 101.

      Might be Fichte.  Abolishing Kant’s duality by a process known as Fichting.

      Posted by rhhardin on 2007 01 29 at 12:12 PM • permalink


    1. Dylan Kissane –

      From a blog post to a newspaper editorial: where to next?


      I’ll tell you where next.  Putting Fisk on trial for fabricating from whole cloth ludicrous assertions solely for the purpose of being able to make controversial statements that no one else makes.  In the process, obscuring the truth, adding more fuel to an intensely hot conflagration, and causing more death and destruction.

      After that sentence him to 30 years in prison confinement with Bubba and Big Al.  When he gets pummeled, possibly on a daily basis, he can go on TV saying it was his fault.  Again and again.

      Posted by wronwright on 2007 01 29 at 12:48 PM • permalink


    1. It’s a brave new world.  Or has that been used before?

      I can’t beat what’s already been said.  At least, not without my morning infusion.

      Posted by saltydog on 2007 01 29 at 01:37 PM • permalink


    1. Paco (blushes) wow-praise from the master!!!  Luckily my wife can be counted upon to deflate my head at some point tonight.

      Posted by 68W40 on 2007 01 29 at 02:11 PM • permalink


    1. Interesting description of the process.  Fisk, no doubt, sees a crushing of his dissent.  I see a missile that’s going to hit him, and others like him, squarely between the eyes.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2007 01 29 at 02:23 PM • permalink


    1. A thing of beauty: unmasking fools at the speed of light.

      Posted by cobalt blue on 2007 01 29 at 02:30 PM • permalink


    1. Al Gore gave us the Internet, and Truth.
      Robert Fisk guides and directs us as we expand our Internet psyches to deeper levels of digital awareness.

      Giants, upon whose shoulders we aspire to roost …


      Posted by J.M. Heinrichs on 2007 01 29 at 02:46 PM • permalink


    1. The fragmented nature of the blogging “industry” is its greatest strength: the sheer number of blogs guarantees competition, and if one blogger makes a mistake or consciously tries to pull a fast one, there are a hundred others that will call him on it (or her, as the case may be, and frequently is). It is amazing to watch the level of correction and self-correction at work, and thrilling to see the blogs take on the MSM. What would have happened if LGF and other blogs hadn’t shown Rather and Mapes up as the unprofessional partisans they are in connection with their story on the “National guard” memos? If anybody had noticed the inconsistencies at all, maybe a letter or two to the NYT and the Washington Post, at most, and probably no reaction at all from CBS – and (shiver) maybe even John Kerry in the White House. Blogs are not about to replace the MSM, but they do make increasingly effective gadflies.

      Posted by paco on 2007 01 29 at 02:58 PM • permalink


    1. I agree with you paco.  Except to stress that blogs are more than gadflies (hey, you stole that word from me bucko).  They act as a de facto fact checker.  If “journalists” know there are other people, besides editors with the same liberal philosophy and goals, checking out every fact and assertion, they will make greater efforts to ensure they are reporting substantiated truth.

      That’s all the right desires.  Reporting the truth.

      Posted by wronwright on 2007 01 29 at 03:30 PM • permalink


    1. #11: I agree with you paco.  Except to stress that blogs are more than gadflies (hey, you stole that word from me bucko). 

      The term “gadfly”, in this context, dates to, I believe, 1649. As I recall, we were both within hearing of King Charles I when he used this expression to describe Oliver Cromwell. And I know, I know: I was in charge of the rescue operation, and all I have to show for it is one beheaded monarch. That is a side issue which need not distract us.

      Truth to tell, “watchdogs” would have been a better choice of word than “gadflies”.

      Posted by paco on 2007 01 29 at 03:51 PM • permalink


    1. Ah the free market, hard at work.

      I wonder how long until somebody calls for blogs to be regulated.

      Posted by Ian Deans on 2007 01 29 at 04:31 PM • permalink


    1. #13 Ian: already been tried.

      Posted by paco on 2007 01 29 at 04:43 PM • permalink


    1. I know: I was in charge of the rescue operation, and all I have to show for it is one beheaded monarch. That is a side issue which need not distract us.

      Distract us?  History has it that the King was supposed to escape Cromwell and lead the royal forces against the Roundheads.  Then become the most popular monarch Britain had ever known.  In homage to the king, for hundreds of years men would wear Cavalier dress with lacey shirts and hats and tall leather boots.  Ladies would wear dresses with increasing lower neck lines.  By 1920’s topless dresses were commonplace.

      Instead of that, what do I find when we get back to 2005?  Drab black suits and Florsheims!  I don’t even want to discuss what the women wear now.

      (wronwright wipes his brow with his lacey silk handkerchief)

      Posted by wronwright on 2007 01 29 at 05:52 PM • permalink


    1. Slightly O/T Great quote from Andrew Klavan in (of all places) The Los Angeles Times:

      In the history of our time as told by the movies, the war on terror largely does not exist. Which is passing strange. Because the war on terror is the history of our time. The outcome of our battle against the demographic, political and military upsurge of a hateful theology and its oppressive political vision will determine the fate of freedom in this century. At the movies, all we’re getting is home-front angst and the occasional Syriana, in which “moderate” Islam is thwarted by evil interests. But the notion that this war is about our moral failings is comfort fantasy, pure and simple. It soothes us with the false idea that, if we but mend ourselves, the scary people will leave us alone …

      It’s a shame for so powerful an art form to become irrelevant because we can’t find a way to dramatise the central event of our time. And purely in artistic terms, it’s a shame that so many great stories are just waiting to be told and we’re not telling them.

      Posted by JonathanH on 2007 01 29 at 06:47 PM • permalink


    1. Hey Wron, can you also confirm the rumours we hear about Paco’s ill-fated visit to the last known breeding ground of the Dodo?

      It can’t be true can it? No-one is that clumsy with a flamethrower….

      Posted by Penguin on 2007 01 29 at 06:52 PM • permalink


    1. #17: All I’ll say is, they tasted just like chicken.

      Posted by paco on 2007 01 29 at 07:44 PM • permalink


    1. Wronwright, Paco, watching you two guys in action, I have only one question: which one of you is Bob Hope, and which one Bing Crosby?  Which one of you gets Dorothy Lamour at the end of the Picture?

      Posted by cuckoo on 2007 01 29 at 08:22 PM • permalink


    1. # 18 – I bet you said the same thing about the Passenger Pigeon.

      Posted by surfmaster on 2007 01 29 at 08:30 PM • permalink


    1. Beautiful example.

      Imagine, the left has worked for 50 years to capture the heights of academia and the media, only to find that their grip on the populace is short lived.

      What will be current in another 50 years is anyone’s guess. But, the lefties will not dominate. It was they who were chanting “Power to the People” in the sixties, although the “people” they meant were their own suburban, middle-class, spoilt, kind.

      Now the people are taking power and listen how they squeal!!

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 01 29 at 08:37 PM • permalink


    1. #20: Well, er, yes, they tasted like chicken, too. But not the carolina parakeet; those things had a gamey flavor, rather like moas.

      Posted by paco on 2007 01 29 at 08:43 PM • permalink


    1. #14 Ah yes, the mighty San Fran Cisco, son of the Cisco Kid and inventor of the mighty Cisco Networks. Yes, they will control the internet.

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 01 29 at 08:44 PM • permalink


    1. Is your dodo being badly burned due to open-flame cooking methods? Then the Poultry Appreciation Convection Oven is for you. Excellent for most fowl, penguins excepted. Do do your dodo with PACO. (Sales void where prohibited by law.)

      Posted by andycanuck on 2007 01 29 at 08:54 PM • permalink


    1. #19 Cuckoo: Actually, Stoop Davy Dave (a/k/a Huck Foley) always got the girl; that’s why we abandoned him to the fleshpots of Constantinople (gee, I wonder how he made out with that Mehmet the Conqueror thing in 1453?).

      Posted by paco on 2007 01 29 at 08:54 PM • permalink


    1. #24: Ok, Andy, you’re obviously working toward a corporate jet. Keep up the good work.

      BTW, speaking of eat-your-peas government, you and Wimpy might be interested in this . I found it over atAce of Spades. I loved Ace’s comment about the Canadian Health guy quoted in the article: “That jerk probably wears a helmet when he’s sitting on the can, in case of meteors.”

      Posted by paco on 2007 01 29 at 09:11 PM • permalink


    1. Stories are a dime a dozen, what’s more important is accuracy in story telling.

      Posted by 1.618 on 2007 01 29 at 09:13 PM • permalink


    1. paco
      “(gee, I wonder how he made out with that Mehmet the Conqueror thing in 1453?).”

      Id be betting he can hit the high notes with ease.

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 01 29 at 09:19 PM • permalink


    1. Hi Paco and Mrs Paco!!

      Posted by 1.618 on 2007 01 29 at 09:35 PM • permalink


    1. #29: And a pleasant good evening to you, 1.618.

      Posted by paco on 2007 01 29 at 09:59 PM • permalink


    1. Cuckoo—the real question is, “Which one is Abbott?”

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 01 29 at 10:09 PM • permalink


    1. Yes, paco, the media here has been full of it, er, um, that story, I mean.

      Posted by andycanuck on 2007 01 29 at 10:54 PM • permalink


    1. #17:  As hard as it may be to believe, yes someone CAN be that clumsy with a flamethrower.  I warned him that he should read the instructions before he started messing around with the Pyrotechnic Avian Colony Obliterator, but he never listens to me anyway, and just HAD to press the big shiny red button.  All I can say is that he’s VERY lucky that reconstructive cosmetic surgery has advance- er, is going to advance advance as much as it will 20 years from now (although it still remains quite painful.)  The worst part was that he only managed to scare all the blasted things off, and it took me the better part of a week to track ‘em all down and fix the problem (yeah, I know, extinction sucks, but it turns out one of the things was going to end up attacking Jimmy Carter, and as entertaining as it would have been, it’s not in the timeline, so it had to be “repaired.”)  On the plus side, not a single person at last week’s motivational potluck suspected for a minute that it wasn’t chicken…

      Posted by Vexorg on 2007 01 30 at 01:30 AM • permalink


    1. I wonder if the “professionals” disquiet with blogging, comes from a similar outlook that sees so many people railing against Wikipedia. I’m not vouching for Wikipedia’s veracity but it seems that the constant checking and reworking by any number of people on the internet would make entries tend toward accuracy and comprehensiveness (a wisdom of crowds argument). It would not depend on “experts” with barrows to push giving their own spin on each subject as print encyclopedias can do. Hence the seeimingly endless objections of experts.

      Posted by Francis H on 2007 01 30 at 02:23 AM • permalink


    1. #19 cuckoo,

      That’s not the right analogy.  Although I absolutely believe Bob was the far better of the two, they were essentially equal in status.  In our situation, paco is simply a henchman third class.  It’s not as low as minion or the other lower classes of RWDB (wronwright takes a swill of coffee in order to dispel bad taste in mouth), but he doesn’t get to wear a narwhal leather apron during VRWC rituals.

      Good lord, the time line has been changed so many times, even I am having trouble remembering the correct order of things.  Can anyone confirm that there really are not three moons, only one?  And hover cars, where are the hover cars?

      Posted by wronwright on 2007 01 30 at 05:56 AM • permalink


    1. #25 paco –

      Actually, Stoop Davy Dave (a/k/a Huck Foley) always got the girl; that’s why we abandoned him to the fleshpots of Constantinople

      Is that where goat boy is?  Well why in sam hell didn’t you tell me that?  With Michael Lonie, we’ve been touring the past looking for him.  And you’ve known where he was all along?  I almost got killed at Agincourt!

      And for the record, Stooped Over Drunk Like a Sailor was only popular because the ladies thought he was Bacchus carrying Sumerian mead.  If Lonie would have removed his goat disguise, he’d score about as badly as the rest of us do.

      Posted by wronwright on 2007 01 30 at 06:04 AM • permalink


    1. #5: In our situation, paco is simply a henchman third class.

      Hot damn! A promotion!!!

      Posted by paco on 2007 01 30 at 09:07 AM • permalink


    1. #33: Can’t . . . resist . . . shiny . . . red button . . .

      Posted by paco on 2007 01 30 at 09:10 AM • permalink


    1. This reminds me of an old product here in the U.S.  Stouffer’s Mexican-style French bread Pizza.  Globalization is old news.

      Posted by Thom on 2007 01 30 at 12:09 PM • permalink


    1. Do you want me to send you a Pressing Aversion Control Optimiser, paco? I think there are still some left in the warehouse.

      Posted by andycanuck on 2007 01 30 at 11:08 PM • permalink


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