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Among reactions to Janet Albrechtsen’s piece on the David Hicks PR industry is this, from “Mortoyanks”:
As a 43 year old Australian (born and bred), I have been disgusted with John Howard and (his” yes” men) Phillip Ruddock with Alexander Downer. From the behaviour of these Australian leaders, I know that if I am unfortunate enough to become embroiled in something political whilst I am overseas that is not in keeping with the USA mindset, the Howard Government is going to ingore me; at best.
Nothing can justify the lack of support this Australian has received from the Howard Government. The Federal election cannot come soon enough where my vote will say it all.
Poor Dave. He accidentally became embroiled in something political.
- Talk about dancing around the inconvenient truth that Hicks (aka Mahmoudi Dawoodi, or whatever invented alias he goes by) joined a fookin’ terrorist organization to fight the “infidel”… that happened to be the USA.
Yes, Mortoyanks, how “unfortunate” indeed.Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 02 19 at 12:11 PM • permalink
- Sounds like “Mortoyanks” equates politics with terrorism. That says a lot about this fool…..and none of it is good.Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 02 19 at 12:25 PM • permalink
- Poor David. His treatment reminds me of all those nice young German boys who never had their day in court under the Roosevelt regime after being kidnapped while vacationing in France, Italy, North Africa, Denmark, The Netherlands, Norway…when will they ever see justice? Maybe it’s time we thought about reparations.
- Meanwhile, a Man of No Religion, a Nashville cabbie, has had an altercation with two passengers over, er, religion.
Must be Methodist or something.
- Patricia, as a Methodist I am outraged – if we try to run someone down, we can manage not to be “outrun” by someone on foot!Posted by Major John on 2007 02 19 at 02:39 PM • permalink
- We haven’t really been following this in the U.S. What’s the problem with this Hicks guy? As far as I know, we caught him with the enemy, carrying guns, etc. So, we gave him a break and treated him just like any captured enemy soldier. (Maybe not the best idea, in hindsight.) We’ve probably treated him better than the thousands of German, Italian, and Japanese soldiers we captured in WWII. We certainly didn’t get them lawyers or worry about “charging” them. (As far as I know, Australia acted the same way in WWII.) If there’s a “legal” question here, it’s whether we would have been justified in shooting him immediately. If we did turn him over to you guys, wouldn’t it be a lot rougher on him? What’s the penalty for treason in Australia?Posted by Frank the Yank on 2007 02 19 at 03:02 PM • permalink
- Please! Let us not (not even Janet herself) persist with the spurious line that things are “tested” in courts of law.
Our legal system has evolved elaborate rules, often to protect the accused from anything short of complete certainty. Much evidence becomes inadmissable. Evidence about previous offences is inadmissable.
Normal citizens deserve the best protection from miscarriages of justice. People who become adventurers and train, associate, and ultimately identify with fanatical killbots deserve contempt and whatever bad luck befalls them.
Those who want to harp about justice would find enough injustice to keep them busy for a lifetime – in which countries? Those which persecute women and anyone of a different religion – you know who they are.
- BBC News says one way or another, Hicks will be home by year’s end.Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2007 02 19 at 04:38 PM • permalink
- The sad truth is that the drip, drip of carefully trimmed pro-Hicks media reporting over the years has had its effect on ignorant public opinion. As in the US, the poor attention paid to the complexities of war and terrorism works in favour of those who don’t want to think, but can vote.
Result? Rudderless Rudd is now heading Howard as preferred PM.
Hicks is actually a sympathetic figure to millions of Australians, while we are trying to STOP terrorism just like his.
Will we both get the governments our media are wishing on us?
- Dawood’s supporters learnt a lot from the OJ Simpson case.
If your client is guilty as sin, the only way to get him off is to smear the other party and thoroughly confuse the issues (plus engage in a bit of race-baiting).Posted by mr creosote on 2007 02 19 at 05:02 PM • permalink
- So what does ingored mean anyways? Is that like being trapped in a snow storm?Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 02 19 at 05:12 PM • permalink
- The deification of Hicks, past simple disagreement into repugnance. Those that rely the on naive and wilful ignorant to gain support like this are just trash that don’t deserve the usual accommodations.Posted by armageddon on 2007 02 19 at 05:34 PM • permalink
- Why is that when an Australian makes an arsehole of themselves overseas, the MSM makes a celebrity of them. The ‘victim’ industry goes into overdrive. The government gets told ad nauseum they must do something. Look at the ‘Corby industry’. Then, as with Dawood Mohammad, you get self righteous ‘victims of the collective education system’ blogging about how he is being treated, that he should be brought back here. You can tell when the ‘Mo’ brigade are blogging, a majority of them do not know what a Shift key is for, or how to use even spellcheck, not to mention their spurious grasp on politics, which all seems to follow the, ‘it does not matter what he or she did, our “goberment” must use taxpayers money to bring them home’. Well, for these poor deluded fools, some countries do not give a crap what our “goberment” says or does, or what the local lefty sook brigade goes on about. Just because you are an Australian and you make an arsehole of yourself, in another country, no amount of regional ‘touting, pouting, politicising, or using some horrible little antisemitic creep for local political point scoring is going to help. I still say, that he should have been taken out there and then. The trouble is, the ‘Mo’ brigade think we all want this turd to come back here, we don’t.
We’ve probably treated him better than the thousands of German, Italian, and Japanese soldiers we captured in WWII.
And much, much better than the Germans treated first- and second-generation German-Americans they captured.Posted by Rob Crawford on 2007 02 19 at 06:03 PM • permalink
- Kyda S. is right of course. But Dawood Da Da Mohamed will stand trial before a military commission soon. I’d expect no interferance from US politicians, from C in C on down. From what I’ve seen in print, he’s guilty as hell. So with a subtraction of 5 years time served, he’ll get a bunch more, served in Oz jails. Lucky actually, for under the Geneva and ‘laws of war’, he could have just been shot dead on the spot instead of ‘captured’.
Sorry that Aussies will probably have to pay his ‘slammer costs’. Then there’s the problem of ‘which prison’, since I’d think he’d be in mortal danger from other Aussie inmates.
- An interesting chap supporting Mo Daywoo in the Australian letters page today.
The man whos criminal past was washed away by a corrupt copper.
Sure he and his brothers may have served time for drugs offences as well as the quashed mint swindle convictions, but hes a good character witness.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 02 19 at 07:08 PM • permalink
- Don’t know why this convert is alive, guess the Northen Alliance, along with our Special Ops guys, took pity on him.
As I’ve mentioned in the past, my tax dollars are housing, clothing, feeding him three times a day (special food, btw).
We’ve given the boy a waterproof koran, given him the correct direction to bendover 5 times a day, a little rug so his knees won’t get hurt, while he bends over 5 times a day.
Bottom line is, I’m sick and tired of having to pay for any of these assholes. Kill the ones we need to kill* and send the rest back to there homelands and let their homelands do what they choose, on their homelands dole, not mine.
* Of course the U.S. won’t even do that, John Walker Lindh, got plead to 20 years, Jose Padilla, is alive some god damn wear. The assholes we do catch here, none have been executed, hell the assholes from World Trade Center ‘93 are still alive being cared for here. Richard ‘I’m an ugly bastard shoe bomber’ Reid, Moussaoui, housed and fed…ridiculous.
- #El Cid. You have got it dead right. What I was alluding to was that, sympathy for this rodent is being used here for political reasons, and a bit of anti Americanism. We eventually will have to have this turd back here, and pay for him. The irony is, that America has treated him far better than anything his new found buddies would have done for him. I still say, if it were not for the fact that we are more civilised than the outfit he joined, he would be long forgotten, and people here, with their political agenda would have to grub up something else, as a ‘cause celeb’.
- I think Hicks should sue the travel company who sent him on this holiday. The poor bugger got on a plane with his Hawaiian shirt and boogie board thinking he was off to a tropic paradise and what happens when he gets there – they give him a bazooka and tell him to kill Serbs. Back on the plane again, hoping that this time the travel company got it right and lo and behold, there he is perched on a mountain top shooting at what he thought were clay pigeons when in fact they were Indians. Back to the travel company office to complain. “Where’s the sand in the brochure,” David says. And next day he is under a camel skin tent with a bunch of smelly bearded men jabbering in a foreign language. And what to they do? They give him another gun. Plenty of sand this time, but no surf. Poor Davy, what an awful, awful holiday. Everywhere he goes there are guns, guns and more guns. Finally he sees a life-saving sight – men with the Stars and Stripes on their uniform. Please, he begs, get me away from this terrible place. All I wanted was a holiday on a tropical island. So what the Americans do, they give him a holiday on a tropic island. And still he’s not happy and neither is the Australian left. Have they thought about complaining to Consumer Affairs and not the Prime MInister. Is it his job to fix holidays that have gone awry? Think not.
CORRECTION: My math let me down on Hicks. He is in fact still in his 30s but all the comments about his hard life before Gitmo still apply
- Could some absent minded guard at Gitmo please leave some rope or a belt in David’s suite. We’ll find out soon enough just how upset he is.Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 02 19 at 07:42 PM • permalink
- If my memory serves me correctly, and correct me if I’m wrong, weren’t Hicks’ supporters and lawyers braying for the charging, or release, of Hicks. Now charges are released, they charge unfair!!!
Sorry about the aliteration – it just happened, honest.Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 02 19 at 07:58 PM • permalink
- Treasurer Peter Costello says Hicks rhetoric ‘out of control’:
SUPPORTERS of suspected Australian terrorist David Hicks are losing sight of what the man is accused of, Treasurer Peter Costello said.
This letter illustrates the point rather nicely.
- If we do have to house these scum instead of shooting them we should give them nothing to eat but MREs.
The ones with egg entrees.
I’d call Mohammed Dawood and hius terrorist buddies swine, but that would be an insult to pigs.Posted by Michael Lonie on 2007 02 19 at 08:09 PM • permalink
- OT somewhat
MuslimCatholic Nun Cabbie Charged With Running Over Students After Religious Dispute (there, that makes it correct, in today’s society)
NASHVILLE, Tenn. — A Muslim cabdriver from Somalia ran over two college students near Vanderbilt University after getting into an argument with them about religion, police said.
- Here is someone who has been ingored.Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 02 19 at 08:52 PM • permalink
- #37 – Better do it quickly before the polar ice-caps melt any further. I believe his hitherto comfy Gitmo accomodation is already ankle deep in water.Posted by Whale Spinor on 2007 02 19 at 09:29 PM • permalink
- #42 – He comes, I believe, from a broad spectrum of society. Or so would say our neighbors in The Great White North.Posted by Steve Skubinna on 2007 02 19 at 11:01 PM • permalink
- BTW, I’ve figured out who that phony Hicks pic on the previous thread reminds me of…here you go. (Language and later parts of the video probably NSFW; skip ahead to 4:10 for the guy I’m talking about.)
- Antony Loewenstein and others who’ve invited Chavez to Australia might like to ponder Hicks’ fate if he’d been captured in Venezuela expressing his “penchant for dissent”. In fact, the Americans have one of the few armed forces in the world where scum like Hicks actually get to see the sun rise again after expressing themselves so enthusiastically.
I was shocked to discover a new book by various contributors about how the Howard government has silenced dissent. Naturally it is being publicised here, there and everywhere on the public broadcaster.
Anyways, this is the killer – Loewenstein is not one of the contributors. Now even his much-publicised silencing is being silenced!Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 02 20 at 12:10 AM • permalink
- Actually, I don’t think Mr/Ms Mortoyanks wrote that piece at all. The names of the writers appear to be at the TOP of their “pieces”, which would mean the quoted passage is from “Hicks & his mighty PR machine” (or in other words, some gutless twerp who won’t put a name to his/her ramblings).
“Mortoyanks” appears to have written the following:
“Mortoyanks of East-Brunswick (18 February at 07:24 PM)
Bush is a proven liar, our Prime Minister is another one, Blair too. The Yanks have been lying about Iraq, and yet you want me to believe that those charges – coming curiously after 5 years – are not lies?
Liars have no credibility in my books.”
- The Hicks turd needs to be flushed (something done to get it out of media attention) ASAP for the sake of reducing the potential fodder for Krudd come election time. Once this gibberish has ended, conservatives can get back to reminding the swinging outer suburban metro voters what is going to happen to their over capitalised mortgages should a labor government, who will increase the minumum wage, reinstate awards and squeeze business and economy, return to power.
The conservative in me says leave Dawood to rot… the pragmatic conservative says clear Dawood from the media so labor can focus on publicly wrongfooting policy and alienate it’s voter base with idiot green policies and unworkable welfare and work packages that are impossible to articulate in 5 second sound bytes.Posted by CanberraNeoCon on 2007 02 20 at 09:51 AM • permalink
- Looks like the pressure is getting to Howard:
Howard pressures Bush on Hicks
When the US President rang yesterday with news of progress in North Korea and Iraq, the PM seized an opportunity to harangue Mr Bush about delays in Hicks’ legal proceedings.
Mr Howard revealed he received a guarantee from Mr Bush that the Adelaide-born captive would be the first Guantanamo Bay inmate tried before the contentious military commission.
“He said that Hicks was the first in the line, and he understood very much the concerns that I had,” Mr Howard said in Perth. “He said that he would do everything he could to make sure the process was pushed along.”
Hicks is expected to face charges of attempted murder and providing support for terrorism after being apprehended in Afghanistan fighting with the Taliban in 2001.
Mr Howard said the conversation about Hicks lasted several minutes, during which Mr Bush accepted the case had dragged on far too long.
“I left him in no doubt during our discussion that this was an issue of great concern to the Australian people, not a judgment as to whether Hicks is guilty or innocent,” the PM told ABC radio.
Opposition leader Kevin Rudd said Mr Howard’s diplomatic efforts were insincere and driven by opinion polls.Posted by SoCalJustice on 2007 02 20 at 12:05 PM • permalink
- #62 & #63
One way or another Hicks should have been processed by now. Howard and Bush have stuffed up big time with this. They should have been well aware that their political enemies would make a martyr of Hicks.
Ideally, the US should never have set up Gitmo. They should have interrogated him, then handed him back to the Northern Alliance who would have shot him and buried him in the Hindu Kush.
The best bet now would be to hand Hicks over to the Afghans or Indians.
- Whatever happened to the old “shot while trying to escape” scenario?Posted by nobody important on 2007 02 20 at 02:23 PM • permalink
- # 65
I’m sorta fond of the “hanged by his tormentors while trying to escape” myself.
Have to agree with Murph at #64. You’re not going to get any useful intel out of this clown and it just provides the useful idiots with another round to jam into the chamber of defeat Bush and HoWARd at all costs to everything and everyone.
- This gunman represents who he was fighting for:
LAHORE, Pakistan (Reuters) – A suspected Islamist zealot shot dead a Pakistani woman provincial government minister on Tuesday because he believed women should not be in politics, officials said.
Zil-e-Huma, social welfare minister of the Punjab government, a women’s activist and supporter of President Pervez Musharraf, was about to give a speech to dozens of people when the lone attacker shot her in the head. She died later in hospital.
The gunman, identified as Mohammad Sarwar, was immediately arrested. Punjab Law Minister Raja Basharat told Reuters the gunman had been implicated in six previous murder cases but had never been convicted because of a lack of evidence.
And this is the standard of justice the “civil liberties” agitators want applied – ineffective justice.
- No doubt this speedy Iranian justice would be much more to the liking of the Australian branches of the islamo-romper-stomper support crew.
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