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Work through the logic of this, posted by Walter Kirn at Sullivan’s place:

Sheehan has every right to her emotion, as far as I’m concerned, since a war that can’t survive a mourning mother shouldn’t be going on at all.

So if the war can survive a mourning mother, then Sheehan loses the right to her emotion? And is that how we measure a war’s sustainability—by the grief of one parent? What if that parent isn’t actually mourning but instead thinks it’s great that her protest demands haven’t been met, allowing her to maintain whatever idiot momentum she’s built thus far?

Posted by Tim B. on 08/25/2005 at 01:48 AM
    1. o/t Fractious fran this a.m. betrayed phat phil’s promo on her programme.He said “the good,the bad and the ugly of yasser arafat-and the mystery of his life AND HIS DEATH in lnl.”
      Colleague fran commented “I’m not sure that there IS any mystery about his death, he was just a sick old man.

      Posted by crash on 2005 08 25 at 03:04 AM • permalink



      Posted by murph on 2005 08 25 at 03:09 AM • permalink


    1. o/t Feckless fran also spoke to gratten.
      “d’you think the Anzac legend is the best way to explain Australian values to the muslim community?  gratten-“well Simpson and his donkey story- it is rather odd”.
      fran “the clear off phrase from Peter Costello and Brendan Nelson could convey negative implications that the teaching in islamic schools is not NICE.”
      “we’ve got to be careful the whole notion of pluralism is not lost.”
      later on anty world today.
      EXPOSE by Edmund Roy on Simpson and his donkey (for our non australian friends -a stretcher bearer at gallipoli ww1.)
      “Simpson has been EXPOSED by historians .
      So much for teaching aust values to islamic schools.THIS IS THE MAN the federal immigration minister wants used as an example.He jumped ship in Sydney,(he was indolent)-that makes him an illegal
      immigrant. He LIED about his name to get into the army -the John Simpson Kirkpatrick myth is quite out of hand.This 6 foot australian is only 5’9. and wasn’t australian.Les Carlyon historian and journalist thank you.
      Finishes ‘an Australian values story with a DONKEY in it.”next presenter eleanor hall laughs loudly.

      Posted by crash on 2005 08 25 at 03:22 AM • permalink


    1. Hmmmmmm.  Grammatically, shouldn’t that be a colon instead?

      Cancel Islam: zeppenwolf pissed.


      Posted by zeppenwolf on 2005 08 25 at 03:24 AM • permalink


    1. I’ve heard some strange stories about the man/donkey relationship in the Middle-East.

      Posted by blogstrop on 2005 08 25 at 03:52 AM • permalink


    1. All wars have to survive the emotion of everybody. But if the population runs around saying “I can’t stand it” they are a bit of a giveaway.
      There comes a point in serious wars where the populace is told what to do or not do. Seems we are not there yet.

      Posted by blogstrop on 2005 08 25 at 04:08 AM • permalink


    1. Andrew’s got a whole weeping choir going on over there. He’s gotten all Oprah on us. Actually he makes Oprah look like Patton.

      Posted by goldsmith on 2005 08 25 at 04:24 AM • permalink



      What a classic!  The SMH is reporting on their website that, following his sporting achievements as All Blecks captain, he served as senior policy advisor to the New Zealand Prime Minister.  What the SMH failed to mention is that the NZ PM he served was the Rt Hon Jim Bolger, not the current PM.

      They’ve got a Tory for a new CEO.  Jaspan must be feeling crook at the moment (ha ha ha).

      Posted by craigo on 2005 08 25 at 07:00 AM • permalink


    1. Cindy is not the only pissed off parent, importantly some of the people mentioned below have travelled long distances to remove the crosses bearing their relatives’ names.

      Cindy’s group are finding out what `moral authority’ really means!

      “Military families disturbed by a sea of crosses erected by anti-war protesters near President Bush’s ranch in Crawford, Texas, have removed crosses bearing the names of their fallen children and transferred them to another site to show support for American troops in Iraq.
      Anti-war protesters “never asked for my permission to put up a cross for my son for their cause,” said Gary Qualls, whose son was killed in Iraq. “They are not respecting our sons and daughters.”
      The rival cross camps are evidence of a growing public backlash against the anti-war campaign of California activist Cindy Sheehan, who blames Mr. Bush for son Casey’s death in Iraq and has called for immediate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.
      Gregg Garvey’s son, Army Sgt. Justin Garvey, 23, was killed in Iraq in July 2003. On Tuesday, Mr. Garvey of Keystone Heights, Fla., removed two crosses bearing the name of his son that were posted at the Sheehan demonstration site—dubbed “Camp Casey”—outside the Bush ranch.
      “I also picked up crosses of two colleagues [of his son], after their parents gave me permission to remove their crosses as well,” Mr. Garvey said yesterday.
      The crosses were erected by a group called Veterans for Peace as part of Mrs. Sheehan’s protest that began Aug. 6.
      “One by one, [Mrs. Sheehan’s] crosses are coming down,” said Mr. Qualls, whose son, Louis Qualls, 20, was a Marine reservist killed in Fallujah last fall.”

      Read More …

      Posted by Peter W on 2005 08 25 at 07:23 AM • permalink


    1. It’s really too bad that President Bush can’t just come out and say, “Some people can’t seem to grasp the idea that war can be waged for reasons more complicated than ‘oil’ or ‘WMD’; or that the causes of terrorism can be explained with two-syllable words like ‘despair’, and not just ‘hate’.” Oh well….

      Posted by Challeron on 2005 08 25 at 08:01 AM • permalink


    1. It’s unconscionable that as soon as parents remove their sons’ crosses from the site, the demonstrators replace them, knowing full well the families do not give permission.  But then, that’s typical of extremist lefties.  They have no respect for anyone or anything.  Things are apparently heating up in Crawford, and isn’t it interesting that St. Cindy remains not only absent but silent?

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2005 08 25 at 09:19 AM • permalink


    1. Did the wailing lefties really think that an anti-American activist from Californ-I-A flagellating herself in a country ditch would actually fly in Crawford Texas?

      Wouldn’t that be akin to Pat Robertson vying for the grand marshall slot of the “How Berkely Can You Be” parade?

      Sheesh! Between Sheehan and Margrok et al, I’m beginning to think that leftism is a transnational plot to discredit the left.

      Posted by monkeyfan on 2005 08 25 at 09:38 AM • permalink


    1. Oops, I was mistaken.  St. Cindy is back in Crawford, with her boy’s boots to put next to his cross.  I wonder what she thinks of the moral authority of the parents who want the crosses bearing their loved ones’ names removed?  Or does it impinge on her consciousness at all?

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2005 08 25 at 10:00 AM • permalink


    1. #12 Leftism isn’t a transnational plot to discredit the left. It’s a very public demonstration of how the heart can rule the head to come up with a manifestly stupid solution to every problem going. Do the lefties think the Islamofascists will thank them?  Well yes they will, just before they chop their heads off.

      Posted by platey mates on 2005 08 25 at 10:03 AM • permalink


    1. RebeccaH — The “You don’t speak for me Cindy” caravan made several stops here in California. Plenty of video of purple-faced lefties screaming at the Gold Star Mothers.  Apparently only Mother Sheehan’s moral authority is absolute.

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 08 25 at 10:21 AM • permalink


    1. “Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” – Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

      “Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.” – Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

      “There is no doubt that … Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.” – Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

      “We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.” – Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

      “We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.” – Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

      “Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.” – Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

      “We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” – Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

      “The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…” – Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

      “I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force– if necessary– to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.” – Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

      “There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.” – Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

      “He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do” Rep. – Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

      “In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.” – Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

      “We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.” – Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

      “Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real …” – Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

      Posted by duh on 2005 08 25 at 11:51 AM • permalink


    1. #14 Platey Mates

      Shhhhhh, I’m trying to start the next tranzibat meme.

      Posted by monkeyfan on 2005 08 25 at 12:24 PM • permalink


    1. Tim: I just found this weblog because of a link from Michelle Malkin, and all I can say is GENIUS!! Pure Genius!! Many of your comments are so on top of the story, it’s unreal. And the best part from my perspective is how you identify and highlight the most crucially silly aspects in such a witty and refreshing tone. I had three huge belly laughs in the pat ten minutes of reading how silly some, well ok maybe a whole bunch of, Americans can be. Warning you have been bookmarked and I will be back.

      Posted by cbank13 on 2005 08 26 at 06:46 PM • permalink


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