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Attention, Newsweek! A religious document has been defiled:
Two Muslim students have been expelled from an Islamic school in Melbourne for urinating and spitting on a Bible and setting it on fire.
The explosive incident has forced the East Preston Islamic College to call in a senior imam to tell its 650 Muslim students that the Bible and Christianity must be respected.
Anxious teachers at the school have also petitioned principal Shaheem Doutie, expressing “grave concern” about an “inculcation of hatred and radical attitudes towards non-Muslims” at the school, including towards non-Muslim teachers.
The school apparently receives about $3.9 million in state and federal government funding each year. Another Islamic education centre in Victoria, Werribee’s Poison Bananas College, gets around $3 million.
- Are riots planned only in Australia or will there be one here in the US that I can join?Posted by Paul Zrimsek on 2006 12 06 at 10:31 AM • permalink
- It gets better and better – have a look at this.
“If we leave (Muslims) in these (non-Muslim Australian) schools they will be destroyed,” he says in the sermon.
“You know very well what takes place in these schools … it is all about evolution, Christmas, Easter, St Valentine’s Day – a barrage. And you expect your children to survive? You think you live in a sewer and you come up smelling of roses?
“Merely living in the company of evil people will inevitably begin to rub off on us and we will begin to acquire their characteristics.”
- More on this in the Australian: Schoolboys told of ‘evil’ Aussies.
- The Howard Government continues to fund only rich schools, leaving public and smaller private schools to fight over the scraps. This incident is an indictment of the Howard Government policies that leave schools without ablution facilities and leave these poor misunderstood muslim students with nothing but Bibles to piss on.
Of course when another poor Catholic school, also lacking funding, is forced to provide the koran to students, this will be a deliberate and insulting attack on islam. It will also be the Howard Government’s fault!
- If they pissed on a Phantom comic I might get upset.
But the Presbyterians will soon be seething and backlashing like billyo and cutting infidel’s heads off and setting fire to embassies and, and . . . whoops , wrong mob.
Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2006 12 06 at 12:38 PM • permalink
- As I posted on my blog, I’m quite to happy to accept people pissing on the Bible as a recreational activity, if everyone is given free reign to urinate on whichever religious text takes their fancy.
Dianetics, here I come!
Posted by Quentin George on 2006 12 06 at 04:17 PM • permalink
- Expulsion is a bit lame isn’t it? Shouldn’t they be getting ready to behead them?
Oops, wrong book.
Posted by mr creosote on 2006 12 06 at 04:34 PM • permalink
- As was pointed out on the LGF post on the same topic, the reason why Christians don’t go all, er Muslim, on the matter is that we believe it is the Words in the Bible that are holy, not the material its printed on.
— Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2006 12 06 at 04:57 PM • permalink
- This came up on Neil Mitchel’s program yesterday. It seems non-Muslim teachers at the school are treated by students with contempt and female non-Muslim teachers are forced to wear a hijab.Posted by walterplinge on 2006 12 06 at 05:07 PM • permalink
- There is a telling quote in the article linked to by Burbank.
“For far too long priests and preachers have completely ignored the vicious criminal acts that the Bible promotes,” the website says. “The so called God of the Bible makes Osama bin Laden look like a boy scout.”
This is classic missing of the point. Yes, there is some dreadful stuff in the Old Testament. But to their credit Christians today ignore it – Jesus made it redundant – while Muslims are inspired by similar episodes in the Koran, and too many of them try to emulate it.
Two Muslim students have been expelled from an Islamic school in Melbourne for urinating and spitting on a Bible and setting it on fire.
Expelled….really? They got off easy. Bible pissing is such a waste of time, when they should be studying for their course in basic bomb making/self-exploding.
Besides, how stupid are they? Piss on paper, then try to set it on fire!
- Expulsion is a pretty heavy punishment. When I went to shcool you had to be a real bad egg to get expelled.
Though it seems to be a light punishment compared to what the P&C had in mind…
The news had footage of a meeting of parents and teachers. One parent (I think), was asking, “What else can we do? We can’t kill them?” Or words very similar.
- Call me crazy, but I don’t think desecrating a Bible should be an expellable (is that a word?) offense.Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 12 06 at 06:30 PM • permalink
- #22 Yes, there is some dreadful stuff in the Old Testament.
Indeed there is. What a lot of people don’t appreciate is the Bible is not one book, it is a compendium of 66.
It is made up of books of history, biography, legal and social studies, letters, poems, prophecy, collected words of wisdom and yes, there’s a book on sex too.
The really nasty stuff falls in the books on history, it is not a DIY manual for murder and mayhem, anymore than a book on the history of WWII is an instruction manual on how to create a genocidal regime.
Anyone with half a brain can see that.
— Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2006 12 06 at 06:37 PM • permalink
- Someone please let me know when the Christians plan on rioting so I can bring the cat inside.
#19
As was pointed out on the LGF post on the same topic, the reason why Christians don’t go all, er Muslim, on the matter is that we believe it is the Words in the Bible that are holy, not the material its printed on.
I’m not sure if you were being serious, but assuming so: Are you kidding? You know as well as I do, that if a prominent Sheik started talking about Jesus the paedophile rapist, it would provoke ‘outrage’ in the form of angry (but polite) letters. There are other reasons why Christians (and pretty well every non-Muslim religion) don’t go, er… Muslim after their religion is attacked. It’s called modern civilisation. Er, you were kidding weren’t you?
- This is a messed-up situation.
Nobody should get expelled for pissing on a book (although they should be made to replace it, and perhaps be expelled for subsequent offences).
On the other hand, if their expulsion represents the Islamic community “taking a stand” against intolerance of non-muslims, then I applaud it.
Posted by closeapproximation on 2006 12 06 at 06:47 PM • permalink
- I’m not sure what your question was Dan.
— Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2006 12 06 at 06:51 PM • permalink
- before we start waving our pitchforks and lighting up the faggots we better be sure it wasnt just an art class? maybe andres serrano’s got a realish jobPosted by eeniemeenie on 2006 12 06 at 07:22 PM • permalink
- #30 – Not in The Age online either. I imagine the Fairfax press doesn’t want to offend local Muzzie sensibilities.Posted by walterplinge on 2006 12 06 at 07:39 PM • permalink
- #30, No, Dan, certainly not in my dead-tree copy of the Age this morning. Their idea of a lead story is ’Howard’s bio-terror distortion‘. While even I don’t think these dopey kids should have been expelled, I’m trying to imagine how the Age would cover it if some Scotch College boys were found urinating on a Koran.
- More from Burbank’s (#2) link:
“I think this needs to be seen in the context of five years of certain types of reporting on global events like the war on terror, what is happening in Iraq, attacks on the Koran by some soldiers in Guantanamo Bay and the Abu Ghraib prison scandal,” [Yasser Solimon, a former head of the Islamic Council of Victoria] said.
More mealy-mouthed evasion and denial from Muslim community leaders though his idea of schools as centres of political resistance will hardly be news to the Teachers’ Unions.
I doubt that he means that the reporting (and misreporting) of these events is stoking Muslim intolerance – or providing a rationale for it.
- Sounds like the senior local immam that’s being called in might be breaking from the word of Allah if he tells the students they must respect the Bible and Christianity. I expressly recall reading an entry in Islam Q&A under the bringing up of children that dictates that they must instill a hatred of this culture and religion in their children as part of being a good muslim.Posted by Hank Reardon on 2006 12 06 at 11:31 PM • permalink
- #40 but it’s Taqqiya Hank, so that’s okay.
— Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2006 12 06 at 11:53 PM • permalink
- Okay, here’s my $4.50 worth.
#14.Monkeyfan, the reason the religious schools get govt funding comes from a situation back in the 60s, I think, when the parochial schools went unfunded by the govt. One of the country catholic schools up in NSW (I’m thinking Orange, but I am probably wrong) had a plumbing problem and there were no funds to fix it.No loos for the kids, and the authorities refused to help. As a result, there was a decision made by the school community to close the school and enroll all the kids in the local state schools.
As the system was not capable of handling that number of extra students – either physically or fiscally, whomever was in charge at the time made arrangements to assist the private schools.
Unfortunately, as ever, what started out in response to a specific emergency has been co-opted to get as many private schools on the gravy train as possible, and there are now plenty of seriously rich schools receiving funding they don’t actually need.
The amount given to the privates (secular and religious) is still way less than what it would cost for all those students to go through the state systems, but I think there should be a better way to distribute the funding.
And in the name of “diversity” and “tolerance” that means that muslim schools also get funding.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 12 07 at 12:27 AM • permalink
- Um, there were no attacks on the Koran by soldiers in Guantanamo Bay. The reports were fiction.Posted by Warmongering Lunatic on 2006 12 07 at 02:10 AM • permalink
- Expulsion does seem a little harsh.
“senior imam to tell its 650 Muslim students that the Bible and Christianity must be respected”
Acceptance doesn’t end with Christian and Jewish “children of the book”. It goes for Buddhists and Hindus and everyone else.
“The Bible desecration comes at a time of heightened tension among Australia’s 300,000-member Islamic community, many of whom believe their religion is being unfairly discriminated against because of terrorism fears.”
I’m not scared of terrorism. I’m angry at terrorism. I’m scared of the terrorists’ objectives.
- #42 Nilkarf, are you saying that because a parent decides to send their sprog to a prestigous school, they don’t deserve any government funding, but still have to pay the taxes to fund state schools? What if they were sacrificing to pay the fees?
There is a better way. Milton Freidman advocated vouchers for education. In the Australian context, each voucher would be worth on average about $10,000. You would present that voucher to your school of choice at the begininnig of the year. There would be no distinction between government or privately operated schools. Competition would determine which local school provided the best service.
The beauty of vouchers is that if you were of the view that rich people should not get as much funding for their sprogs, because they can afford a good education, you means test the vouchers. Then it doesn’t matter if the rich send their kids to a state school (where they currently pay nothing) or private school, the amount of govt. funding their kid gets would be the same. And there would be more cash for the poor kids as you would give them higher value vouchers, expanding their options.
The behaviour/ideology preached at a school is not related to the amount of government funding it receives. This could only be controlled by proper oversight by the state education systems, which as we all know, do an outstanding job with the current curriculum/.
- Entropy, you have a much better way of looking at it. I tend to be somewhat jaundiced about the whole education system down here.
We have a lot of schools, state and private, that do not seem to be able to get funding while the larger, more prestigious schools seem to be rolling in it.
I like your idea of meanstesting vouchers. That is much more equitable, and I can guarantee that something like that will never be implememented here in Brackistan.
*disclaimer: I am a believer in homeschooling*
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 12 07 at 04:49 AM • permalink
- The desecration was yesterday condemned by Muslim and non-Muslim leaders who called on the community not to overreact.
Does laughing hysterically count as overreaction?
The Islamic Council’s past president was interviewed on this issue and he uttered the above caution, evidently:
1)projecting his own culture’s response patterns onto everyone else and:
2) not realising that most Australians profess almost any religion other than Christianity and would not care what you did to a Bible.It was also interesting that he managed to blame outside events for the conduct of a 12 and 13 year-old boy, who were the ones that did the urinating.
Posted by carpefraise on 2006 12 07 at 05:57 AM • permalink
- As a work of art I object to these chauvinisms!!Posted by Piss Mohammed on 2006 12 07 at 06:14 AM • permalink
- #47 well, home-schooling is an argument for another day (my sister does it), but there is no reason a voucher system couldn’t be used for that too.
Ironically, Mark Latham’s proposal at the 2004 election was setting things up for a voucher system, but I bet that the ALP didn’t see it that way, or really thought through what lay at the end of the policy.
- Seriously, does anyone give a rat’s arse that a couple of kids pissed on a book?
They did it because they thought it would enrage the filthy infidels and engender the same reaction that occurred in their third world ratholes when false reports were published about US soldiers flushing Korans down the dunny, (another book, FFS.)
The kids and their school have earned themselves a nice little spot on the “watch these mongrels” list from the security services, and reinforced many people’s opinions that muslims are not fit to live in an open Australian society.
Good effort, that.
Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2006 12 07 at 07:29 AM • permalink
- Zscore, the horrors in the Koran are mostly historical, which cannot be directly said of the old testament; and the Christians’ book is really the Hew testament, also largely historical.Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 12 07 at 09:15 AM • permalink
- #56 RebeccaH
The kiddies were at a camp – which was not just for Muslims so i reckon there might have been one lying around
Or maybe thier loving parents packed it in their backpacks along with the chips, OJ and PJs and gave them instructions on what to do with it
n
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2006 12 07 at 11:27 AM • permalink
- #55 Wimpy, if I may be so rude as to correct you, the horrors in the quran are the word of allah for all time, and a template to live by.
The OT, however is considered jewish historical record and not an example for how to get by in the modern world. For jews or christians.
The NT is the record of Jesus and his teachings, and how they affected the early christian community.
Jesus is the example set to live by as opposed to Mohammed in the quran.
Since the quran is used as the excuse for muslim antics worldwide, I think it’s safe to assume that the horrors therein are not mere historical record.
(I hope this is legible. It’s too early in the morning and while it makes sense to me, it may not to anyone else).
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 12 07 at 04:58 PM • permalink
- Nilk, but even Paul advocates that women should be covered.
I think that if I was of a particularly religious bent, I would seize the salvation by grace offered by jesus, heed his message about how to treat my neighbour, and not worry too much about the cultural stuff, even in the NT.Th urinator’s father is covered in the OZ today talking about his shame at his son’s behaviour, and how he has pulled his five children out of the school due to their lack of supervision at the camp. The kid is only 13 after all, and just might look back on this incident in shame when he is older.
- sweden has school vouchers. if the socialists can do school vouchers then surely we can. 🙂
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/3717744.stm
Posted by drscroogemcduck on 2006 12 08 at 07:56 PM • permalink
- #16 “Dianetics, here I come!”
Don’t forget your “Diuretics”…
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 12 08 at 10:21 PM • permalink
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