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Last updated on August 9th, 2017 at 12:00 pm

January 2006:

Australian scientist Tim Flannery said the world still had “one to two decades” to take action to reduce global warming.

June 2006:

Gore says people have only five to 10 years to avert cataclysmic disasters, one thousand times worse than the terror of September 11—and all directly due to global warming.

Posted by Tim B. on 06/23/2006 at 12:54 PM
    1. No, no, we have only 5 MINUTES.

      When the sunlight is about to be directly in my living room windows.  Any my personal earth will be much warmer, unless I close the blinds.

      Blinds for the Earth!  And the Children!

      Posted by BrendaK on 2006 06 23 at 01:10 PM • permalink

 

    1. Aren’t we all supposed to be frozen solid by now? Wasn’t it the “consensus of the scientific community” in the 1970s that we were fast approaching a new Ice Age?

      Aren’t we always doomed?

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 06 23 at 01:10 PM • permalink

 

    1. June 23, 2006

      Paco says, “We only have five or ten minutes before the next emission of greenhouse gassing from Al Gore.”

      Posted by paco on 2006 06 23 at 01:14 PM • permalink

 

    1. Gore says people have only five to 10 years to avert cataclysmic disasters, one thousand times worse than the terror of September 11—and all directly due to global warming.

      Does that mean that in ten years, when all is well, Algore will say, “Boy, was I dumb or what?”

      Or if he’s asked about it, will he give that condescending gay grin and say something snarkily dismissive of the questioner?

      My money’s on #2.

      Boy, it’s gonna be awesome when we revisit this in ten years. Too bad all of our beloved trolls will have changed their Internet handles by then in shame (not that it will stop them from arrogantly posting more incorrect BS under their new names.)

      Posted by Dave S. on 2006 06 23 at 01:24 PM • permalink

 

    1. ::sigh::
      The ‘hockey stick’ is all pucked up.  Let’s review.

      But Dr. paco’s right in respect to noxious emissions.

      Posted by tree hugging sister on 2006 06 23 at 01:25 PM • permalink

 

    1. One thousand times worse that 9/11. One THOUSAND times worse. How can this man look at himself in the mirror and not be moved to helpless, pants-wetting laughter.

      Posted by rick mcginnis on 2006 06 23 at 01:27 PM • permalink

 

    1. How can this man look at himself in the mirror and not be moved to helpless, pants-wetting laughter.

      rick, don’t assume that he can actually see himself in a mirror.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 06 23 at 01:30 PM • permalink

 

    1. 3.5 million dead?  That’s it?  That’s like a couple of Rwanda’s and Darfurs at the most.  Man, that ain’t gonna reduce traffic around here at all.  I want 10,000 times worse, or screw it, I’m just continue running my vehicles at max output.  Of course running all four of my vehicles in one year puts up less carbon than one of Al’s private jet movie promo trips.

      Posted by Cliff on 2006 06 23 at 01:37 PM • permalink

 

    1. The envirotards are battling two conflicting impulses. On the one hand, their spectacular predictive failures in the past have made them look like the frauds they are when their doomsday dates have come and passed (see Paul Ehrlich.) So, the global warming thing has been a boon, because the dire consequences are murky and cast far into the future – hence, like all good religions, un-disprovable. On the other hand, they simply can’t contain their impulse for warnings of IMMINENT DOOM, and must also motivate the apathetic lumpenproles by convincing them the end is near. So, this will all turn out the same as the “populaton bomb”, global famine, the coming Ice Age, depletion of oil reserves, etc – yet another round of Chicken Lib’rel.

      Posted by Dave S. on 2006 06 23 at 01:39 PM • permalink

 

    1. Isn’t this a recurrent theme?

      World Ends: Women, Minorities Hardest Hit

      Except it never does.

      Posted by Bruce Rheinstein on 2006 06 23 at 01:42 PM • permalink

 

    1. One thousand times worse that 9/11. One THOUSAND times worse. How can this man look at himself in the mirror and not be moved to helpless, pants-wetting laughter.

      Just wait – as the years go by and we do nothing, he’ll Lancet-up that number like an Iraqi body count until he’s talking eleventy-billion times worse than Hiroshima and Nagasaki times a zillion!

      Posted by Dave S. on 2006 06 23 at 01:44 PM • permalink

 

    1. And don’t forget, one thousand times worse than 911 is 911,000.

      Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 06 23 at 01:49 PM • permalink

 

    1. I feel like the guy whose doctor told him, “I have some bad news and some really bad news. First the bad news: You have a week to live.”

      “Gee, if that’s the bad news, what can the really bad news be?”

      “I’ve been trying to get in touch with you for six days.”

      Posted by ErnieG on 2006 06 23 at 02:22 PM • permalink

 

    1. Does that mean that in ten years, when all is well, Algore will say, “Boy, was I dumb or what?”

      Nope, it means that in ten years Al Gore will be saying, “Hey, I set out to save the world and, well, here we all are!”, i.e., he’ll be taking credit for being Captain Planet.

      Posted by paco on 2006 06 23 at 02:25 PM • permalink

 

    1. And if he is right, I guess I ought to cash in my savings and buy that Dodge Viper and Harley Fatboy I’ve been dreaming about.

      Posted by paco on 2006 06 23 at 02:27 PM • permalink

 

    1. Typical of the crisis/disaster mongers is Ron Dembo, risk management specialist. In a piece at Huff’nPuff Post, Dr. Duembo says that the “climate crisis” is WWIII and today’s leaders “don’t get it”. He wonders “what would Churchill and Roosevelt do” (he’s got the wrong Roosevelt, calling him Theodore, but never mind) and then he answers himself: Here’s what Winston and Theodorewould do.

      They would lobby all across the world for other nations to join in and would find a way for them to share in the bounty that will be had by re-engineering the world.

      They would mobilize their entire economies around the transformation of our gas-guzzling, polluting homes to clean, sustainable energy. A massive conversion to ground-source heating and cooling would occur, creating an entire new industry. Just like your old car has to undergo an emission inspection every year, so would your home be required to get up to standard in energy efficiency.

      They would insist that every shopping mall roof in their nation become one big solar panel.

      They would be finding ways to get every unlit hut in all corners of the world some basic sustainable lighting (which would cost only as much as a few days of the Iraq war effort).

      There’s more, but you get the idea. He goes on to bemoan how we common folk fiddle while Gaia burns and closes with this gem:

      I guess if we were living in Darfur, where the drying up of Lake Chad has precipitated genocide in the region, we might be closer to believing the world is coming to an end.

      In his blathering, Ron talks about the delicate system that controls our climate. This is a common theme among the doomsayers. The planet is delicate, the atmosphere’s delicate, the ecosystem’s delicate, everything’s delicate. What piffle. If there’s something out there less delicate than Mother Gaia, I’d like to see it.

      Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 06 23 at 02:28 PM • permalink

 

    1. A thousand times worse than 911 would be 914.  It’s on a log scacle, like Richter.

      But the scale is really meant for measuring how much you don’t care about things.  The metric version is milligivashits.

      Posted by rhhardin on 2006 06 23 at 02:47 PM • permalink

 

    1. The planet is delicate, the atmosphere’s delicate, the ecosystem’s delicate, everything’s delicate. What piffle. If there’s something out there less delicate than Mother Gaia, I’d like to see it.

      Exactly. Remember the “incalculable damage” done to the local ecosystem by the Exxon Valdez? Couple years later and everything was fine.

      Posted by Dave S. on 2006 06 23 at 02:55 PM • permalink

 

    1. But the scale is really meant for measuring how much you don’t care about things.  The metric version is milligivashits.

      I am so stealing that.

      Posted by Dave S. on 2006 06 23 at 02:55 PM • permalink

 

    1. No, no, no!! We have to have enough to vote AL into office, so the timeline must be 5-10 years so that when nothing happens in 10 years Al can take the credit.

      Posted by David A on 2006 06 23 at 03:19 PM • permalink

 

    1. no No NO! It’s already to late, we should use all the oil left to throw a big party.

      Posted by aaron_ on 2006 06 23 at 03:26 PM • permalink

 

    1. Don’t ask me how you throw an oil party, if you don’t know your not invited.

      Posted by aaron_ on 2006 06 23 at 03:27 PM • permalink

 

    1. Headline from The Examiner: “Earth Hottest in 2,000 years”.

      Heh. I think I know what happened. In order to clear inspection, I was supposed to install a catalytic converter on the Tardis. But I mistakenly installed a Catholic converter: this is why Wronwright is on a pilgrimage to Lourdes, and why Huck Foley is entering holy orders. Oh, and also why the earth is so warm these days; the Tardis generates an awful lot of greenhouse-type gases.

      Posted by paco on 2006 06 23 at 03:40 PM • permalink

 

    1. This is a common theme among the doomsayers. The planet is delicate, the atmosphere’s delicate, the ecosystem’s delicate, everything’s delicate.

      I suspect it’s some kind of wishy-washy metrosexual impulse…they want to look like take-charge kinda guys as far as this whole glowball warmering thing is concerned (hence the Imminent Disaster predictions), but not without giving up their sensitive New Age-y appearance (hence the misplaced and phony chivalry toward poor Mommy Nature).

      Posted by PW on 2006 06 23 at 04:27 PM • permalink

 

    1. Or in other words: The question “Is there anything more pathetic than a ‘concerned’ liberal?” continues to be strictly a rhetorical one.

      Posted by PW on 2006 06 23 at 04:29 PM • permalink

 

    1. Well, I have just spent five hours last night and close to six hours today without power because a tree fell on a transformer last night.  It was a pointed reminder of what life would be like in Gore’s Utopia, and I didn’t like it.  I like my comfortable, profligate, decadent, power-driven American life.  The next time I hear this drivel from some lefty about the joys of munching twigs, and bicycling from his recycled cardboard-and-rubber-tire hut to his labors at the incense shop, there’s going to be trouble.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 06 23 at 04:44 PM • permalink

 

    1. So I should cash in my retirement, take up smoking, and, well, then act like Queen Latifah in that movie where she helo-skis.  Fuck tomorrow, man!  I’m gonna practice that Tokyo Drift!  On 495!  During rush hour!

      Posted by ushie on 2006 06 23 at 04:48 PM • permalink

 

    1. “The next time I hear this drivel from some lefty about the joys of munching twigs, and bicycling from his recycled cardboard-and-rubber-tire hut to his labors at the incense shop, there’s going to be trouble.”

      And I’ll hold your coat, Rebecca H.  Except that those weenies probably wouldn’t fight…

      Posted by texasred on 2006 06 23 at 05:00 PM • permalink

 

    1. #17.
      The 911 isn’t a bad little car. The 914 was just a tarted up VW.

      Posted by chrisgo on 2006 06 23 at 05:04 PM • permalink

 

    1. Oops, in case misunderstood, what a falling off we’ve had in the USA. Keep up the good work.

      Posted by stats on 2006 06 23 at 05:36 PM • permalink

 

    1. Oops, wrong place. Sorry.

      Posted by stats on 2006 06 23 at 05:37 PM • permalink

 

    1. Sooo!

      Would taking out a 30 year mortgage be considered immoral?

      I’m conflicted.

      Posted by yojimbo on 2006 06 23 at 05:42 PM • permalink

 

    1. When algore starts using a trans atlantic clipper for his promotional jaunts Ill take him seriously. Besides it would be worth it seeing him with a touch of scurvy.

      (Or is that the Paco industries whaling cruise)?

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 06 23 at 06:45 PM • permalink

 

    1. I’m melting

      Posted by Crispytoast on 2006 06 23 at 07:46 PM • permalink

 

    1. Wait a minute.  Flannery is giving one timeline and Algore is giving another?  I thought there was a consensus about all of this.

      I smell a rat.

      RebeccaH, I remember when they told us that “one touch from man” was enough to damage an entire ecosystem forever.  That bit of hubris still cracks me up.

      Posted by saltydog on 2006 06 23 at 07:53 PM • permalink

 

    1. According to Al Gore’s LAST book, all life on Earth was supposed to be extinct by the year two thousand.

      Is that statement no longer operative, or could Al just find no controlling legal authority to turn off that stubborn damn biosphere?

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 06 23 at 08:24 PM • permalink

 

    1. Here are the temperature records for every state in the US….

      Hmmm, shouldn’t the records be getting broken every year, how about every decade at least.  1898 for Christs sake…one would think global warming could do better than that.

      Posted by trainer on 2006 06 23 at 08:57 PM • permalink

 

    1. Ya think that’s bad? Here’s my prediction:  Within 115 years, all 6 billion of us currently alive will be DEAD!  So lets go into full collectivization mode NOW so maybe we can get one or two of us past that GRIM MILESTONE!

      1000 times worse than 9-11?  3 million?  The left is getting soft isn’t it?  Hell, bull lefties like Stalin and Mao used to knock off that many in a year or less.  Algore needs to step it up!

      Posted by Vanguard of the Commentariat on 2006 06 23 at 09:23 PM • permalink

 

    1. Exactly. Remember the “incalculable damage” done to the local ecosystem by the Exxon Valdez? Couple years later and everything was fine.

      Hell, how about World War II? How many millions of tons of oil were dumped in the oceans from sunken tankers, aircraft carriers, battleships? How much burned and how much sulpher dioxide pumped into the air?

      Mind you, the war years were brutally cold, and it wouldn’t surprise me too much to hear it was caused by blowing ash into the air.

      Actually, let’s face it—if anyone were seriously worried about global warming, they’d advocate revoking the Clean Air Acts passed in the 1970s.

      Posted by John Nowak on 2006 06 23 at 09:57 PM • permalink

 

    1. #33: We invited Al Gore to come along on the Dude Whaling Cruise, but when he saw his rating (“chum”), he politely declined.

      Posted by paco on 2006 06 23 at 10:31 PM • permalink

 

    1. I checked out the state temperature records.  I grew up in Illinois, and I was willing to bet that I remembered the hottest day on record.  I couldn’t remember the exact date, but I remember it was just after the 4th of July in 1954.  It got so hot that when the wind blew it burned the corn in the fields before it could pollinate.  The corn literally turned from green to white overnight.

      So, I looked.  Bingo!!  July 14, 1954 recorded 117 in E St Louis, IL.  I grew up about 50 miles north.  It was one damn hot summer.  Our thermometers read as hot as they would register.  I know it probably wasn’t really 124 degrees where I lived, but it was damn hot.

      I also just went through one of the colder springs in the past century in Michigan.  Nice call, Al.

      Let’s face it, no matter what happens, the Leftoids aren’t going to give up trying to collectivize, rule, and oppress the rest of us.  If global warming (or climate change) doesn’t work, they’ll just find some other reason.

      Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2006 06 23 at 11:06 PM • permalink

 

    1. #17 – The planet is delicate, the atmosphere’s delicate, the ecosystem’s delicate, everything’s delicate. What piffle. If there’s something out there less delicate than Mother Gaia, I’d like to see it.

      Another fabulously delicate place where we’re not allowed to mine or drill is Antartica.  From what I’ve seen it’s about as delicate and subtle as a housebrick. The sooner it’s drilled (along with the Great Barrier Reef) the better for us.

      Posted by walterplinge on 2006 06 23 at 11:17 PM • permalink

 

    1. And the Rant Of The Day award goes to RebeccaH at #26!. Step up to the podium and say a few words Rebecca.

      Posted by Daniel San on 2006 06 23 at 11:22 PM • permalink

 

    1. You know, there’s one genuine ecological catastrophe the greenies always ignore.

      Remember all the oil Saddam dumped into the Gulf at the end of Desert Storm?

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 06 24 at 12:09 AM • permalink

 

    1. Reduce global warming?

      Bugger that, let’s move to a new planet instead.

      Posted by 1.618 on 2006 06 24 at 12:18 AM • permalink

 

    1. Oil is going to run out in 5 years also claims ABC (OZ) TV. You have to wonder about these retards.

      Posted by Astonished on 2006 06 24 at 12:26 AM • permalink

 

    1. 4 the alleged Dave S

      Too bad all of our beloved trolls will have changed their Internet handles by then in shame

      Hey!

      44 Richard McEvil

      Remember all the oil Saddam dumped into the Gulf at the end of Desert Storm?

      His Exxonic Halliburtonian puppetmasters FORCED him to do that!  Setting fire to the Kuwaiti oilfields, they were behind that too!  Because Halliburton hadn’t *had* a nice fat oilfield- fire- extinguishing contract for a long time, is why, so its U.S.Gov subsidiary was made to force Mr Hussein into a situation where his only rational response could be to ignite the neighboring nation’s oil field, several hundred square miles of it.  IT’S SO OBVIOUS!!!
      Wow.
      Sorry.
      Been reading my email.  It’s like getting 75 ~ 100 messages per day from a parallel universe.
      What was the question?

      Posted by Huck Foley on 2006 06 24 at 02:59 AM • permalink

 

    1. You’re on a roll tonight, Huck.

      Posted by saltydog on 2006 06 24 at 03:09 AM • permalink

 

    1. And yes, I am following you.

      Posted by saltydog on 2006 06 24 at 03:10 AM • permalink

 

    1. 23 Paco Diabolico

      I mistakenly installed a Catholic converter: this is why Wronwright is on a pilgrimage to Lourdes, and why Huck Foley is entering holy orders.

      This haircut?  Where’d I get … WO!  Is that Ens Wrongway over there?
      I’d better go the other way, right away, while I try to figure out where I got this haircut.  And WHY I’m wearing this Dominican-looking brown dress?!!?
      Oh crap, somebody “roofered” that last cask of “Chaldean mead” with ouzo, didn’t they?
      I hate it when this happens!
      If I survive long enough to wreak unholy hideous vengeance on whoever has engineered this discomforture, rest assured that this shall be my very first priority for as long as that takes!

      Posted by Huck Foley on 2006 06 24 at 03:16 AM • permalink

 

    1. I just want to know who lifted up the rock that let all of these worms loose?  Isn’t it about time to stomp these twisted weenies back into the ground where they belong? History repeats itself time and time again and they still don’t get it. They flutter from one Panic of the Day to the next marching down the street protesting EVERYTHING.  They pedal naked through the streets to call attention to their cause (unfortunately, due to shock I don’t recall what that cause was… perhaps protesting penis shrinkage).  These brainless, dog-slobber stupid assholes are causing more problems by distracting the attention of those who are actually FIGHTING the enemy. They are wittingly or otherwise working for Bin Laden and his merry gang of cutthroats.  They ARE the enemy just as much as he is.  By God I hate those bastards. I really do.

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 06 24 at 03:17 AM • permalink

 

    1. hmmm… looks like one or more of Paco’s personnel are shadowing my ass … I need new clothes right away.  And a new haircut!  I’ll just duck into this alcove …
      THUD!
      Ha!  Glad I stayed awake during the basic blunt instruments seminar … heh heh heh … now I’ll just swap clothes with …
      SALTY???  ‘zatchoo!!
      Oh shit!  More problems!
      That fukkin’ Wronwright will have a lot to answer for, once I get out of this jam!

      Posted by Huck Foley on 2006 06 24 at 03:26 AM • permalink

 

    1. #51, TexasBob, God knows I hear you.  These people have gotten on my last nerve.  They are presumably normal adults possessed of reason and the ability to make a moral choice.  There is no innocent excuse after all that has happened; they are willfully choosing to side with the enemy.

      If they were really just the fringe, there would be nothing to worry about.  But they are the lunatic fringe and the university professors and the media commentators and congressmen.  (Or am I being redundant after “lunatic fringe”?)

      Posted by saltydog on 2006 06 24 at 03:33 AM • permalink

 

    1. Huck, I think you look just DARLING in that outfit.  And I LOVE the do!  You look like you’re wearing a furry TIARA.  But why the face?

      Posted by saltydog on 2006 06 24 at 03:35 AM • permalink

 

    1. Huck, I’m not trying to add insult to injury, but since you’re wearing that outfit, I have to ask. Can you make us some beer… please?

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 06 24 at 03:38 AM • permalink

 

    1. Okay, but you’re not allowed to watch.  Believe me, you won’t be any happier about owning it, once you’ve watched where it came from.  But get it real cold, and glug it real fast, and it’s almost ah almost kind of … kind of good, well not good so much as just less awful than you expected.  That’s not a guarantee or anything.

      Posted by Huck Foley on 2006 06 24 at 05:58 AM • permalink

 

    1. So anyway here’s me, skulking down the alleyway in Salty’s darling outfit, head freshly if ineptly shaved, to alleviate that so-yesterday furry-tiara look, and two instruments of mayhem concealed.  It’s dark, it’s ugly, and my attitude is starting to deteriorate.  What’s the last thing I need just now?

      Posted by Huck Foley on 2006 06 24 at 06:05 AM • permalink

 

    1. Huck, I’m in Iraq. I’d drink hot donkey piss if I thought it would get me drunk.

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 06 24 at 06:12 AM • permalink

 

    1. A pedicure?

      Posted by saltydog on 2006 06 24 at 06:13 AM • permalink

 

    1. Texas Bob,
      Son, if there was a way on this green earth I could help you out….  Oh, well, if wishes were fishes we’d all have a fry.

      Having said that, you need to step away from the donkey.

      (Huck, I knew Bob was in trouble when Miranda started lookin’ good to him.  Boy needs some R&R.  A few beers.  A little lot of conjugal visiting.)  Oh, hey Bob.  I thought you’d gone on ahead.  Ahem.  Boy is my face red.  :^|

      Posted by saltydog on 2006 06 24 at 06:29 AM • permalink

 

    1. saltydog, Look, I was just sayin is all.  I mean, its a mighty fine looking animal. You know, for hauling things and such.
      Ahem.
      Really! I wasn’t even thinking about…er…whatever it was you were getting at.
      Say! That was a tough break for the US team, wasn’t it?

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 06 24 at 07:28 AM • permalink

 

    1. Huck, you never got back with me about whether you were one of the Foley’s from Enshytte, Wyoming. I was going to send you a poatcard.

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 06 24 at 07:31 AM • permalink

 

    1. postcard

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 06 24 at 07:31 AM • permalink

 

    1. Figured I’d just address it:

      Foley, Huck, Enshytte

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 06 24 at 07:32 AM • permalink

 

    1. Tim Flannery? Wasn’t he second baseman for the Padres?

      Posted by mythusmage on 2006 06 24 at 08:11 AM • permalink

 

    1. I was a denialist but have switched. Do you have evidence Tim that global warming is a laughable myth? This argument probably trivilises a potentially major problem. Most climate scientists argue there is reasonable chance anthropomorphic global warming is occurring?

      ‘Yuk, yuk there is no problem at all’  may not be a conservative dismissal of the doomsayers. It may just be wrong.  If it doesn’t cost a lot to deal with the issue (greenhouse gases could be slashed by losing a few percentage points of GNP) and there is a risk then sensibly one should act.

      Posted by harryc on 2006 06 24 at 08:19 AM • permalink

 

    1. What’s the last thing I need just now?

      I do believe the esteemed Mr. Foley is trolling for a troll to stick his nose out just now.  He seems in a mood for mayhem, and I pity the fool who dares him.

      As for my rant award, thank you awfully, Daniel San, but there’ve been a couple rants since that make mine pale in comparison.  Thanks much, though.

      By the way, was there a costume party I didn’t get invited to?

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 06 24 at 08:19 AM • permalink

 

    1. harryc, Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 06 24 at 08:57 AM • permalink

 

    1. Always with the negative waves Moriarty, always with the negative waves.

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 06 24 at 08:58 AM • permalink

 

    1. Tim Flannery? Wasn’t he second baseman for the Padres?

      No, I think this one’s a catcher for the Washington Gorebores.

      Posted by PW on 2006 06 24 at 09:17 AM • permalink

 

    1. Do you have evidence Tim that global warming is a laughable myth?

      Yeah, Tim, why don’t you prove X doesn’t exist? It can’t be that hard, now can it? After all, scientists have been disproving the existence of things since time immemorial.

      If it doesn’t cost a lot to deal with the issue (greenhouse gases could be slashed by losing a few percentage points of GNP)

      Ah, okay, so you’re not just a crank, but economically illiterate, too. Glad to have that established. Now run along, harryc, I think Larvatus Prodeo will be more to your liking.

      (What is it with the overly earnest trolls invariably having a chip on their shoulder about global warming? Say what you will against LLL, Addamo, or Miranda Divide, at least our feisty trolls always have better subjects to go on about.)

      Posted by PW on 2006 06 24 at 09:22 AM • permalink

 

    1. there is reasonable chance anthropomorphic global warming is occurring

      Gaia pride.

      Posted by rhhardin on 2006 06 24 at 10:29 AM • permalink

 

    1. I was supposed to be dead a few years ago. At least according to my elementary school teached who had scared the sh*t out of me in the ‘70s.

      Who thought there would be deer running through my back yard in 2006? I was expecting to be eating Soylent Green.

      Posted by CrankyNeocon on 2006 06 24 at 10:59 AM • permalink

 

    1. harryc, do a site-search on global warming. You’ll find many, many discussions which address your nonsensical point, and others. Frankly, I and many other commenters are sick of having these endless, futile discussions with you Chicken Lib’rels.

      Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to paint up a batch of Lisa Simpson(TM) Tiger Repellent Rocks to sell at the Phish concert next week. Would you like to order one?

      Posted by Dave S. on 2006 06 24 at 11:01 AM • permalink

 

    1. I’m curious, harryc – how much would you have been willing to spend back in the ‘70s to stave off the coming Ice Age, the worldwide famines, and the complete depletion of the world’s oil reserves by 2000?

      Posted by Dave S. on 2006 06 24 at 11:06 AM • permalink

 

    1. Harryc proclaims: “I was a denialist but have switched. Do you have evidence Tim that global warming is a laughable myth? This argument probably trivilises a potentially major problem. Most climate scientists argue there is reasonable chance anthropomorphic global warming is occurring?

      ‘Yuk, yuk there is no problem at all’ may not be a conservative dismissal of the doomsayers. It may just be wrong.  If it doesn’t cost a lot to deal with the issue (greenhouse gases could be slashed by losing a few percentage points of GNP) and there is a risk then sensibly one should act.”

      There may be a problem.  Then again, harryc, there MAY not.  As Dave S. says above, how much would you have spent, how much would you have crippled the world’s economy, back in the ‘70s, when we were all supposed by be dead by 2000?  I remember Future Shock and the coming ice age and the starvation of the entire planet’s population and the eradication of all animals except, possibly, hamsters.  None of that, not even one percent of all that, happened.  And now we’re supposed to be dead, really very sincerely dead, in 10 years?  Oh, come ON!

      Dave S., a note about Phish fans:  You will never see so much litter left behind in your life.  But really, they worry about the ecology, so that makes their littering ok…

      Posted by ushie on 2006 06 24 at 11:22 AM • permalink

 

    1. MEMO
      To: Paco
      From: His Holiness, Pope Benedict
      Subject: Brother Foley

      Are you crazy? Is that your problem? Set the dial on the Catholic converter to “anathematize” and get Foley back on the conversion “to do” list for another day.

      Posted by paco on 2006 06 24 at 11:42 AM • permalink

 

    1. Not just ‘economically illiterate’ but innumerate, too.

      Sure, the globe is warming now.  From 1940 or so to 1975 or so it was cooling.  Over the past 4,000,000,000 years the globe has warmed and cooled and warmed and cooled and (well, I hope harryc gets the point).

      I would like him to explain the global warming that occurred before humans existed.  Or even that like in the 1000AD era before we were putting so much human-caused CO2 in the air.

      Chicken Little is simply not that attractive.  Perhaps we should find a model (which is what this is all built on now) that actually, like, you know, predicts either the past (from the further past) or the present (from the past) accurately before we go off the deep end and beggar us all spending on fixes that aren’t.

      I would believe in this more if the people pushing it were changing their behavior more.  Until then (or until one of their idiot models actually includes solar output and *then* accurately predicts the world temp as caused by anthrogenic [NOT anthromorphic, which I think should mean that global warming *looks* like a human {which would indicate that harryc is fairly language illiterate, also}] output, I’ll just assume it’s one more attempt by the collectivists to enslave us all.

      Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2006 06 24 at 12:40 PM • permalink

 

    1. #

      Huck, I’m in Iraq. I’d drink hot donkey piss if I thought it would get me drunk.

      Texas Bob — Add some sugar and let it sit a while… and don’t ask.

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 06 24 at 12:53 PM • permalink

 

    1. Heh, can’t believe I missed that “anthropomorphic”…methinks the harryc model is getting called back to the moonbat sockpuppet factory soon.

      Posted by PW on 2006 06 24 at 01:38 PM • permalink

 

    1. Always with the negative waves Moriarty, always with the negative waves.

      Texas Bob — How much paint can you get in a 120mm round?

      And now I think on it, the Mongols used to drink fermented mare’s milk.  You could try giving a nanny goat a squeeze and leaving that in the jug for a while…

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 06 24 at 02:45 PM • permalink

 

    1. …and why Huck Foley is entering holy orders.

      Climbing over the wall of a convent is NOT entering holy orders.  At least not in the sense I think we’re talking about here…

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 06 24 at 02:48 PM • permalink

 

    1. I was following Huck because, even though he came out of the Tardis dressed kind of funny, he was very energetic and sharp.  It was an interesting contrast, you know?  He kept pacing and mumbling.  I thought he said something about paco converting to Catholicism, but that can’t be right because paco is already a Catholic, right?

      Anyway, he came out of the Tardis wearing this long brown robe and sporting the funniest hair-do I’ve seen since the Middle Ages (not counting the mohawk and that spiky colored do some kids wear with their pierced and tatooed skin.  Oh, and Cindy Lauper’s weed-wacker do).  He must not have liked his new do, because he quickly took a razor to it and now he looks like a deranged Yul Brenner in a monk’s robe.  (I hope it has a cowl to hide that poor, wrecked, bald head.  I mean, dude!  He went from having a really cute furry looking little tiara resting on his head, to looking as though he had shaved his head with 60-grit sandpaper.  I guess he’s still into that self-flagellation thing, bless his heart.)

      He wanted to ditch the robe, but all I had was an old Trekkie uniform with a red jersey, and you know what that means.  Last I saw of him, he was heading down the corridor mumbling something about getting together with paco for a chat about these blunt objects he had found.  It’s probably something to do with all that wronwright, Rovian secret agent stuff.

      I went to sleep after that.  He wore me out trying to keep up with him.

      Posted by saltydog on 2006 06 24 at 03:15 PM • permalink

 

    1. 62

      Huck, you never got back with me about whether you were one of the Foley’s from Enshytte, Wyoming.

      I never what with who about whether what?  Wait.  What’s the question?  I don’t think I’m related to anybody actually named Foley or to anybody in Wyoming unless they are a cartoon character or a goat.  And that includes those stuck-up damn bighorn sheep who all get standoffish when I show up around Yellowstone, so even if they are related, it’s like they’d rather not be.

      Posted by Huck Foley on 2006 06 24 at 03:28 PM • permalink

 

    1. Perhaps we should find a model (which is what this is all built on now) that actually, like, you know, predicts either the past (from the further past) or the present (from the past) accurately before we go off the deep end and beggar us all spending on fixes that aren’t.

      Trouble is, one of the differences between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives look to the past for guidance, wisdom, precedent and pattern. Liberals disdain the past and are ignorant of history, or dismiss it as irrelevant in the modern world (despite the fact that the differences between us and, say, the ancient Babylonians are not very great). That’s why you can’t get liberals to acknowledge the past Chicken Little prophecies, why they go blank when you talk about the MWP, and why (changing subjects) John Edwards has (unironically) begun talking about a War on Poverty (becasue the last one worked out so very well.)

      Posted by Dave S. on 2006 06 24 at 03:38 PM • permalink

 

    1. 77 Heh heh, when you down-tune a standard degibbricizer, it forms a harmonic wave with any nearby degibbricizers.  Add a directional antenna, or just crudely substitute a big ol’ pair of pliers, and voila!  An unreliable but ingenious eavesdropping device.  Let me just power it up here…

      Set the dial on the Catholic converter to “anathematize” and get Foley back

      “Anathematize”??  That’s where you disappear in a fine red mist, isn’t it?  Looks like I’ve pissed off the Pope, along with everything else.  Great.  I need to start working up some better hiding places, and can pretty much scratch Enshyte, Wyoming off the list.  Great great grrrrrrrrrrr…

      Posted by Huck Foley on 2006 06 24 at 03:52 PM • permalink

 

    1. #85:

      John Edwards’ hair is preparing another presidential run, I take it?

      Posted by PW on 2006 06 24 at 04:29 PM • permalink

 

    1. Yup.

      Posted by Dave S. on 2006 06 24 at 11:53 PM • permalink

 

    1. #79 & 81 richard mcenroe, Thank you for what is undeniably the most useful two posts I have ever read. Period.

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 06 25 at 02:17 AM • permalink

 

    1. Texas Bob

      If your home brewing rotgut heres a recipe for you.

      Stone fruit (fruit bars in a pinch), a bin liner, large bucket with a lid, and some dried bread (or yeast).
      Smash up your fruit, crumble in a small amout of bread. Put the bin liner in the bucket and fill about 1/4 full with pulp and 1/2 with water. Tie off the bag but leave enough looseness in the knot that the gas can escape. Put the bucket lid on and leave in a warm place (30-35 degrees). After about 2 days the lid will pop this means it is working. Leave it for a week, or 2 if you want real rocket fuel add a kg or 2 of sugar half way through, top up the water if if evaporates off a lot.
      Strain it through some cloth and test on someone you dont like. If they dont die your mixer of choice is probably milk. this stuff usualy rips your tonsils out.
      (This is a prison/detention centre recipie)
      PS: I found all the brews where I worked using my nose, this stuff smells strong.

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 06 25 at 08:13 AM • permalink

 

    1. 66.. harryc..Good effort but don’t expect a straight answer.
      Of course the world isn’t warmer. Seas aren’t warming, most glaciers are not in retreat or disappearing, parts of the Himalayas are not melting and falling over, the Arctic isn’t less ice bound, the Maldives aren’t disappearing etc etc. Its just a rightist “conspiracy theory” that all lefties are making it up for their own nefarious ends (don’t worry about the hard data.. See Later #) Satellite and acoustic data?? Pppaahh..

      *sighs, yawns, scratches crotch and goes back to medicated sleep*

      You see, anybody who suggests that it might be prudent to listen to, oh, almost the entire body of Earth and Climate scientists, is a raving softie leftie latte wimpy weiner sockpuppet (WTF??) who only wants to bring down the good ol’ US of A. And perhaps a few other global corporations at the same time.
      Hard Data..#
      Don’t bother quoting impartial, learned peer reviewed bodies and journals or even experienced and level headed news sources, when the august scientistoids on this forum can do a quickie calculation and show you that in real “fact” the earth has never been safer BUT if it does actually get any warmer, only midgets paddling about at Brighton need worry..

      Don’t bother reading this..
      http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0625-02.htm
      This sort of reporting is NOT valid, even though the suggestions re massive and catastrophic ice sheet slippage and the mechanisms behind it, might make most wise wimpy weiner type people stop and think for a moment or two….

      The research scientist involved has only spent almost his entire professional life studying the subject and area, so what can he possibly add to the knowledge you will absorb here, from the back of an envelope??

      Posted by drpoll on 2006 06 25 at 11:04 PM • permalink

 

    1. “And don’t forget, one thousand times worse than 911 is 911,000.”

      I hoped someone would throw in a Team America reference.

      Posted by Andjam on 2006 06 25 at 11:39 PM • permalink

 

    1. Damn thing about lefties is that they can write more than anyone, without saying a thing.

      Posted by aaron_ on 2006 06 26 at 12:37 AM • permalink

 

    1. I thought we were gonna have nuclear winter!

      Posted by Texanna on 2006 06 27 at 02:06 PM • permalink

 

    1. 57

      So anyway here’s me, skulking down the alleyway … two instruments of mayhem concealed.  It’s dark, it’s ugly, and my attitude is starting to deteriorate.  What’s the last thing I need just now?

      38, (but not of *this* thread)

      Saltydog – I am an economist.
      Posted by http://kalimna.blogspot.com/ on 2006 06 25 at 10:17 PM

      Ghahaghghgh!!  Stop it!  WHEREZATFRIKINRAZOR!!!  Hold still, you!  NYRRRrrrr!!!

      Posted by Huck Foley on 2006 06 27 at 10:59 PM • permalink

 

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January 2006:

Australian scientist Tim Flannery said the world still had “one to two decades” to take action to reduce global warming.

June 2006:

Gore says people have only five to 10 years to avert cataclysmic disasters, one thousand times worse than the terror of September 11—and all directly due to global warming.

Posted by Tim B. on 06/23/2006 at 12:54 PM
    1. No, no, we have only 5 MINUTES.

      When the sunlight is about to be directly in my living room windows.  Any my personal earth will be much warmer, unless I close the blinds.

      Blinds for the Earth!  And the Children!

      Posted by BrendaK on 2006 06 23 at 01:10 PM • permalink

 

    1. Aren’t we all supposed to be frozen solid by now? Wasn’t it the “consensus of the scientific community” in the 1970s that we were fast approaching a new Ice Age?

      Aren’t we always doomed?

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 06 23 at 01:10 PM • permalink

 

    1. June 23, 2006

      Paco says, “We only have five or ten minutes before the next emission of greenhouse gassing from Al Gore.”

      Posted by paco on 2006 06 23 at 01:14 PM • permalink

 

    1. Gore says people have only five to 10 years to avert cataclysmic disasters, one thousand times worse than the terror of September 11—and all directly due to global warming.

      Does that mean that in ten years, when all is well, Algore will say, “Boy, was I dumb or what?”

      Or if he’s asked about it, will he give that condescending gay grin and say something snarkily dismissive of the questioner?

      My money’s on #2.

      Boy, it’s gonna be awesome when we revisit this in ten years. Too bad all of our beloved trolls will have changed their Internet handles by then in shame (not that it will stop them from arrogantly posting more incorrect BS under their new names.)

      Posted by Dave S. on 2006 06 23 at 01:24 PM • permalink

 

    1. ::sigh::
      The ‘hockey stick’ is all pucked up.  Let’s review.

      But Dr. paco’s right in respect to noxious emissions.

      Posted by tree hugging sister on 2006 06 23 at 01:25 PM • permalink

 

    1. One thousand times worse that 9/11. One THOUSAND times worse. How can this man look at himself in the mirror and not be moved to helpless, pants-wetting laughter.

      Posted by rick mcginnis on 2006 06 23 at 01:27 PM • permalink

 

    1. How can this man look at himself in the mirror and not be moved to helpless, pants-wetting laughter.

      rick, don’t assume that he can actually see himself in a mirror.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 06 23 at 01:30 PM • permalink

 

    1. 3.5 million dead?  That’s it?  That’s like a couple of Rwanda’s and Darfurs at the most.  Man, that ain’t gonna reduce traffic around here at all.  I want 10,000 times worse, or screw it, I’m just continue running my vehicles at max output.  Of course running all four of my vehicles in one year puts up less carbon than one of Al’s private jet movie promo trips.

      Posted by Cliff on 2006 06 23 at 01:37 PM • permalink

 

    1. The envirotards are battling two conflicting impulses. On the one hand, their spectacular predictive failures in the past have made them look like the frauds they are when their doomsday dates have come and passed (see Paul Ehrlich.) So, the global warming thing has been a boon, because the dire consequences are murky and cast far into the future – hence, like all good religions, un-disprovable. On the other hand, they simply can’t contain their impulse for warnings of IMMINENT DOOM, and must also motivate the apathetic lumpenproles by convincing them the end is near. So, this will all turn out the same as the “populaton bomb”, global famine, the coming Ice Age, depletion of oil reserves, etc – yet another round of Chicken Lib’rel.

      Posted by Dave S. on 2006 06 23 at 01:39 PM • permalink

 

    1. Isn’t this a recurrent theme?

      World Ends: Women, Minorities Hardest Hit

      Except it never does.

      Posted by Bruce Rheinstein on 2006 06 23 at 01:42 PM • permalink

 

    1. One thousand times worse that 9/11. One THOUSAND times worse. How can this man look at himself in the mirror and not be moved to helpless, pants-wetting laughter.

      Just wait – as the years go by and we do nothing, he’ll Lancet-up that number like an Iraqi body count until he’s talking eleventy-billion times worse than Hiroshima and Nagasaki times a zillion!

      Posted by Dave S. on 2006 06 23 at 01:44 PM • permalink

 

    1. And don’t forget, one thousand times worse than 911 is 911,000.

      Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 06 23 at 01:49 PM • permalink

 

    1. I feel like the guy whose doctor told him, “I have some bad news and some really bad news. First the bad news: You have a week to live.”

      “Gee, if that’s the bad news, what can the really bad news be?”

      “I’ve been trying to get in touch with you for six days.”

      Posted by ErnieG on 2006 06 23 at 02:22 PM • permalink

 

    1. Does that mean that in ten years, when all is well, Algore will say, “Boy, was I dumb or what?”

      Nope, it means that in ten years Al Gore will be saying, “Hey, I set out to save the world and, well, here we all are!”, i.e., he’ll be taking credit for being Captain Planet.

      Posted by paco on 2006 06 23 at 02:25 PM • permalink

 

    1. And if he is right, I guess I ought to cash in my savings and buy that Dodge Viper and Harley Fatboy I’ve been dreaming about.

      Posted by paco on 2006 06 23 at 02:27 PM • permalink

 

    1. Typical of the crisis/disaster mongers is Ron Dembo, risk management specialist. In a piece at Huff’nPuff Post, Dr. Duembo says that the “climate crisis” is WWIII and today’s leaders “don’t get it”. He wonders “what would Churchill and Roosevelt do” (he’s got the wrong Roosevelt, calling him Theodore, but never mind) and then he answers himself: Here’s what Winston and Theodorewould do.

      They would lobby all across the world for other nations to join in and would find a way for them to share in the bounty that will be had by re-engineering the world.

      They would mobilize their entire economies around the transformation of our gas-guzzling, polluting homes to clean, sustainable energy. A massive conversion to ground-source heating and cooling would occur, creating an entire new industry. Just like your old car has to undergo an emission inspection every year, so would your home be required to get up to standard in energy efficiency.

      They would insist that every shopping mall roof in their nation become one big solar panel.

      They would be finding ways to get every unlit hut in all corners of the world some basic sustainable lighting (which would cost only as much as a few days of the Iraq war effort).

      There’s more, but you get the idea. He goes on to bemoan how we common folk fiddle while Gaia burns and closes with this gem:

      I guess if we were living in Darfur, where the drying up of Lake Chad has precipitated genocide in the region, we might be closer to believing the world is coming to an end.

      In his blathering, Ron talks about the delicate system that controls our climate. This is a common theme among the doomsayers. The planet is delicate, the atmosphere’s delicate, the ecosystem’s delicate, everything’s delicate. What piffle. If there’s something out there less delicate than Mother Gaia, I’d like to see it.

      Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 06 23 at 02:28 PM • permalink

 

    1. A thousand times worse than 911 would be 914.  It’s on a log scacle, like Richter.

      But the scale is really meant for measuring how much you don’t care about things.  The metric version is milligivashits.

      Posted by rhhardin on 2006 06 23 at 02:47 PM • permalink

 

    1. The planet is delicate, the atmosphere’s delicate, the ecosystem’s delicate, everything’s delicate. What piffle. If there’s something out there less delicate than Mother Gaia, I’d like to see it.

      Exactly. Remember the “incalculable damage” done to the local ecosystem by the Exxon Valdez? Couple years later and everything was fine.

      Posted by Dave S. on 2006 06 23 at 02:55 PM • permalink

 

    1. But the scale is really meant for measuring how much you don’t care about things.  The metric version is milligivashits.

      I am so stealing that.

      Posted by Dave S. on 2006 06 23 at 02:55 PM • permalink

 

    1. No, no, no!! We have to have enough to vote AL into office, so the timeline must be 5-10 years so that when nothing happens in 10 years Al can take the credit.

      Posted by David A on 2006 06 23 at 03:19 PM • permalink

 

    1. no No NO! It’s already to late, we should use all the oil left to throw a big party.

      Posted by aaron_ on 2006 06 23 at 03:26 PM • permalink

 

    1. Don’t ask me how you throw an oil party, if you don’t know your not invited.

      Posted by aaron_ on 2006 06 23 at 03:27 PM • permalink

 

    1. Headline from The Examiner: “Earth Hottest in 2,000 years”.

      Heh. I think I know what happened. In order to clear inspection, I was supposed to install a catalytic converter on the Tardis. But I mistakenly installed a Catholic converter: this is why Wronwright is on a pilgrimage to Lourdes, and why Huck Foley is entering holy orders. Oh, and also why the earth is so warm these days; the Tardis generates an awful lot of greenhouse-type gases.

      Posted by paco on 2006 06 23 at 03:40 PM • permalink

 

    1. This is a common theme among the doomsayers. The planet is delicate, the atmosphere’s delicate, the ecosystem’s delicate, everything’s delicate.

      I suspect it’s some kind of wishy-washy metrosexual impulse…they want to look like take-charge kinda guys as far as this whole glowball warmering thing is concerned (hence the Imminent Disaster predictions), but not without giving up their sensitive New Age-y appearance (hence the misplaced and phony chivalry toward poor Mommy Nature).

      Posted by PW on 2006 06 23 at 04:27 PM • permalink

 

    1. Or in other words: The question “Is there anything more pathetic than a ‘concerned’ liberal?” continues to be strictly a rhetorical one.

      Posted by PW on 2006 06 23 at 04:29 PM • permalink

 

    1. Well, I have just spent five hours last night and close to six hours today without power because a tree fell on a transformer last night.  It was a pointed reminder of what life would be like in Gore’s Utopia, and I didn’t like it.  I like my comfortable, profligate, decadent, power-driven American life.  The next time I hear this drivel from some lefty about the joys of munching twigs, and bicycling from his recycled cardboard-and-rubber-tire hut to his labors at the incense shop, there’s going to be trouble.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 06 23 at 04:44 PM • permalink

 

    1. So I should cash in my retirement, take up smoking, and, well, then act like Queen Latifah in that movie where she helo-skis.  Fuck tomorrow, man!  I’m gonna practice that Tokyo Drift!  On 495!  During rush hour!

      Posted by ushie on 2006 06 23 at 04:48 PM • permalink

 

    1. “The next time I hear this drivel from some lefty about the joys of munching twigs, and bicycling from his recycled cardboard-and-rubber-tire hut to his labors at the incense shop, there’s going to be trouble.”

      And I’ll hold your coat, Rebecca H.  Except that those weenies probably wouldn’t fight…

      Posted by texasred on 2006 06 23 at 05:00 PM • permalink

 

    1. #17.
      The 911 isn’t a bad little car. The 914 was just a tarted up VW.

      Posted by chrisgo on 2006 06 23 at 05:04 PM • permalink

 

    1. Oops, in case misunderstood, what a falling off we’ve had in the USA. Keep up the good work.

      Posted by stats on 2006 06 23 at 05:36 PM • permalink

 

    1. Oops, wrong place. Sorry.

      Posted by stats on 2006 06 23 at 05:37 PM • permalink

 

    1. Sooo!

      Would taking out a 30 year mortgage be considered immoral?

      I’m conflicted.

      Posted by yojimbo on 2006 06 23 at 05:42 PM • permalink

 

    1. When algore starts using a trans atlantic clipper for his promotional jaunts Ill take him seriously. Besides it would be worth it seeing him with a touch of scurvy.

      (Or is that the Paco industries whaling cruise)?

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 06 23 at 06:45 PM • permalink

 

    1. I’m melting

      Posted by Crispytoast on 2006 06 23 at 07:46 PM • permalink

 

    1. Wait a minute.  Flannery is giving one timeline and Algore is giving another?  I thought there was a consensus about all of this.

      I smell a rat.

      RebeccaH, I remember when they told us that “one touch from man” was enough to damage an entire ecosystem forever.  That bit of hubris still cracks me up.

      Posted by saltydog on 2006 06 23 at 07:53 PM • permalink

 

    1. According to Al Gore’s LAST book, all life on Earth was supposed to be extinct by the year two thousand.

      Is that statement no longer operative, or could Al just find no controlling legal authority to turn off that stubborn damn biosphere?

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 06 23 at 08:24 PM • permalink

 

    1. Here are the temperature records for every state in the US….

      Hmmm, shouldn’t the records be getting broken every year, how about every decade at least.  1898 for Christs sake…one would think global warming could do better than that.

      Posted by trainer on 2006 06 23 at 08:57 PM • permalink

 

    1. Ya think that’s bad? Here’s my prediction:  Within 115 years, all 6 billion of us currently alive will be DEAD!  So lets go into full collectivization mode NOW so maybe we can get one or two of us past that GRIM MILESTONE!

      1000 times worse than 9-11?  3 million?  The left is getting soft isn’t it?  Hell, bull lefties like Stalin and Mao used to knock off that many in a year or less.  Algore needs to step it up!

      Posted by Vanguard of the Commentariat on 2006 06 23 at 09:23 PM • permalink

 

    1. Exactly. Remember the “incalculable damage” done to the local ecosystem by the Exxon Valdez? Couple years later and everything was fine.

      Hell, how about World War II? How many millions of tons of oil were dumped in the oceans from sunken tankers, aircraft carriers, battleships? How much burned and how much sulpher dioxide pumped into the air?

      Mind you, the war years were brutally cold, and it wouldn’t surprise me too much to hear it was caused by blowing ash into the air.

      Actually, let’s face it—if anyone were seriously worried about global warming, they’d advocate revoking the Clean Air Acts passed in the 1970s.

      Posted by John Nowak on 2006 06 23 at 09:57 PM • permalink

 

    1. #33: We invited Al Gore to come along on the Dude Whaling Cruise, but when he saw his rating (“chum”), he politely declined.

      Posted by paco on 2006 06 23 at 10:31 PM • permalink

 

    1. I checked out the state temperature records.  I grew up in Illinois, and I was willing to bet that I remembered the hottest day on record.  I couldn’t remember the exact date, but I remember it was just after the 4th of July in 1954.  It got so hot that when the wind blew it burned the corn in the fields before it could pollinate.  The corn literally turned from green to white overnight.

      So, I looked.  Bingo!!  July 14, 1954 recorded 117 in E St Louis, IL.  I grew up about 50 miles north.  It was one damn hot summer.  Our thermometers read as hot as they would register.  I know it probably wasn’t really 124 degrees where I lived, but it was damn hot.

      I also just went through one of the colder springs in the past century in Michigan.  Nice call, Al.

      Let’s face it, no matter what happens, the Leftoids aren’t going to give up trying to collectivize, rule, and oppress the rest of us.  If global warming (or climate change) doesn’t work, they’ll just find some other reason.

      Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2006 06 23 at 11:06 PM • permalink

 

    1. #17 – The planet is delicate, the atmosphere’s delicate, the ecosystem’s delicate, everything’s delicate. What piffle. If there’s something out there less delicate than Mother Gaia, I’d like to see it.

      Another fabulously delicate place where we’re not allowed to mine or drill is Antartica.  From what I’ve seen it’s about as delicate and subtle as a housebrick. The sooner it’s drilled (along with the Great Barrier Reef) the better for us.

      Posted by walterplinge on 2006 06 23 at 11:17 PM • permalink

 

    1. And the Rant Of The Day award goes to RebeccaH at #26!. Step up to the podium and say a few words Rebecca.

      Posted by Daniel San on 2006 06 23 at 11:22 PM • permalink

 

    1. You know, there’s one genuine ecological catastrophe the greenies always ignore.

      Remember all the oil Saddam dumped into the Gulf at the end of Desert Storm?

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 06 24 at 12:09 AM • permalink

 

    1. Reduce global warming?

      Bugger that, let’s move to a new planet instead.

      Posted by 1.618 on 2006 06 24 at 12:18 AM • permalink

 

    1. Oil is going to run out in 5 years also claims ABC (OZ) TV. You have to wonder about these retards.

      Posted by Astonished on 2006 06 24 at 12:26 AM • permalink

 

    1. 4 the alleged Dave S

      Too bad all of our beloved trolls will have changed their Internet handles by then in shame

      Hey!

      44 Richard McEvil

      Remember all the oil Saddam dumped into the Gulf at the end of Desert Storm?

      His Exxonic Halliburtonian puppetmasters FORCED him to do that!  Setting fire to the Kuwaiti oilfields, they were behind that too!  Because Halliburton hadn’t *had* a nice fat oilfield- fire- extinguishing contract for a long time, is why, so its U.S.Gov subsidiary was made to force Mr Hussein into a situation where his only rational response could be to ignite the neighboring nation’s oil field, several hundred square miles of it.  IT’S SO OBVIOUS!!!
      Wow.
      Sorry.
      Been reading my email.  It’s like getting 75 ~ 100 messages per day from a parallel universe.
      What was the question?

      Posted by Huck Foley on 2006 06 24 at 02:59 AM • permalink

 

    1. You’re on a roll tonight, Huck.

      Posted by saltydog on 2006 06 24 at 03:09 AM • permalink

 

    1. And yes, I am following you.

      Posted by saltydog on 2006 06 24 at 03:10 AM • permalink

 

    1. 23 Paco Diabolico

      I mistakenly installed a Catholic converter: this is why Wronwright is on a pilgrimage to Lourdes, and why Huck Foley is entering holy orders.

      This haircut?  Where’d I get … WO!  Is that Ens Wrongway over there?
      I’d better go the other way, right away, while I try to figure out where I got this haircut.  And WHY I’m wearing this Dominican-looking brown dress?!!?
      Oh crap, somebody “roofered” that last cask of “Chaldean mead” with ouzo, didn’t they?
      I hate it when this happens!
      If I survive long enough to wreak unholy hideous vengeance on whoever has engineered this discomforture, rest assured that this shall be my very first priority for as long as that takes!

      Posted by Huck Foley on 2006 06 24 at 03:16 AM • permalink

 

    1. I just want to know who lifted up the rock that let all of these worms loose?  Isn’t it about time to stomp these twisted weenies back into the ground where they belong? History repeats itself time and time again and they still don’t get it. They flutter from one Panic of the Day to the next marching down the street protesting EVERYTHING.  They pedal naked through the streets to call attention to their cause (unfortunately, due to shock I don’t recall what that cause was… perhaps protesting penis shrinkage).  These brainless, dog-slobber stupid assholes are causing more problems by distracting the attention of those who are actually FIGHTING the enemy. They are wittingly or otherwise working for Bin Laden and his merry gang of cutthroats.  They ARE the enemy just as much as he is.  By God I hate those bastards. I really do.

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 06 24 at 03:17 AM • permalink

 

    1. hmmm… looks like one or more of Paco’s personnel are shadowing my ass … I need new clothes right away.  And a new haircut!  I’ll just duck into this alcove …
      THUD!
      Ha!  Glad I stayed awake during the basic blunt instruments seminar … heh heh heh … now I’ll just swap clothes with …
      SALTY???  ‘zatchoo!!
      Oh shit!  More problems!
      That fukkin’ Wronwright will have a lot to answer for, once I get out of this jam!

      Posted by Huck Foley on 2006 06 24 at 03:26 AM • permalink

 

    1. #51, TexasBob, God knows I hear you.  These people have gotten on my last nerve.  They are presumably normal adults possessed of reason and the ability to make a moral choice.  There is no innocent excuse after all that has happened; they are willfully choosing to side with the enemy.

      If they were really just the fringe, there would be nothing to worry about.  But they are the lunatic fringe and the university professors and the media commentators and congressmen.  (Or am I being redundant after “lunatic fringe”?)

      Posted by saltydog on 2006 06 24 at 03:33 AM • permalink

 

    1. Huck, I think you look just DARLING in that outfit.  And I LOVE the do!  You look like you’re wearing a furry TIARA.  But why the face?

      Posted by saltydog on 2006 06 24 at 03:35 AM • permalink

 

    1. Huck, I’m not trying to add insult to injury, but since you’re wearing that outfit, I have to ask. Can you make us some beer… please?

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 06 24 at 03:38 AM • permalink

 

    1. Okay, but you’re not allowed to watch.  Believe me, you won’t be any happier about owning it, once you’ve watched where it came from.  But get it real cold, and glug it real fast, and it’s almost ah almost kind of … kind of good, well not good so much as just less awful than you expected.  That’s not a guarantee or anything.

      Posted by Huck Foley on 2006 06 24 at 05:58 AM • permalink

 

    1. So anyway here’s me, skulking down the alleyway in Salty’s darling outfit, head freshly if ineptly shaved, to alleviate that so-yesterday furry-tiara look, and two instruments of mayhem concealed.  It’s dark, it’s ugly, and my attitude is starting to deteriorate.  What’s the last thing I need just now?

      Posted by Huck Foley on 2006 06 24 at 06:05 AM • permalink

 

    1. Huck, I’m in Iraq. I’d drink hot donkey piss if I thought it would get me drunk.

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 06 24 at 06:12 AM • permalink

 

    1. A pedicure?

      Posted by saltydog on 2006 06 24 at 06:13 AM • permalink

 

    1. Texas Bob,
      Son, if there was a way on this green earth I could help you out….  Oh, well, if wishes were fishes we’d all have a fry.

      Having said that, you need to step away from the donkey.

      (Huck, I knew Bob was in trouble when Miranda started lookin’ good to him.  Boy needs some R&R.  A few beers.  A little lot of conjugal visiting.)  Oh, hey Bob.  I thought you’d gone on ahead.  Ahem.  Boy is my face red.  :^|

      Posted by saltydog on 2006 06 24 at 06:29 AM • permalink

 

    1. saltydog, Look, I was just sayin is all.  I mean, its a mighty fine looking animal. You know, for hauling things and such.
      Ahem.
      Really! I wasn’t even thinking about…er…whatever it was you were getting at.
      Say! That was a tough break for the US team, wasn’t it?

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 06 24 at 07:28 AM • permalink

 

    1. Huck, you never got back with me about whether you were one of the Foley’s from Enshytte, Wyoming. I was going to send you a poatcard.

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 06 24 at 07:31 AM • permalink

 

    1. postcard

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 06 24 at 07:31 AM • permalink

 

    1. Figured I’d just address it:

      Foley, Huck, Enshytte

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 06 24 at 07:32 AM • permalink

 

    1. Tim Flannery? Wasn’t he second baseman for the Padres?

      Posted by mythusmage on 2006 06 24 at 08:11 AM • permalink

 

    1. I was a denialist but have switched. Do you have evidence Tim that global warming is a laughable myth? This argument probably trivilises a potentially major problem. Most climate scientists argue there is reasonable chance anthropomorphic global warming is occurring?

      ‘Yuk, yuk there is no problem at all’  may not be a conservative dismissal of the doomsayers. It may just be wrong.  If it doesn’t cost a lot to deal with the issue (greenhouse gases could be slashed by losing a few percentage points of GNP) and there is a risk then sensibly one should act.

      Posted by harryc on 2006 06 24 at 08:19 AM • permalink

 

    1. What’s the last thing I need just now?

      I do believe the esteemed Mr. Foley is trolling for a troll to stick his nose out just now.  He seems in a mood for mayhem, and I pity the fool who dares him.

      As for my rant award, thank you awfully, Daniel San, but there’ve been a couple rants since that make mine pale in comparison.  Thanks much, though.

      By the way, was there a costume party I didn’t get invited to?

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 06 24 at 08:19 AM • permalink

 

    1. harryc, Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 06 24 at 08:57 AM • permalink

 

    1. Always with the negative waves Moriarty, always with the negative waves.

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 06 24 at 08:58 AM • permalink

 

    1. Tim Flannery? Wasn’t he second baseman for the Padres?

      No, I think this one’s a catcher for the Washington Gorebores.

      Posted by PW on 2006 06 24 at 09:17 AM • permalink

 

    1. Do you have evidence Tim that global warming is a laughable myth?

      Yeah, Tim, why don’t you prove X doesn’t exist? It can’t be that hard, now can it? After all, scientists have been disproving the existence of things since time immemorial.

      If it doesn’t cost a lot to deal with the issue (greenhouse gases could be slashed by losing a few percentage points of GNP)

      Ah, okay, so you’re not just a crank, but economically illiterate, too. Glad to have that established. Now run along, harryc, I think Larvatus Prodeo will be more to your liking.

      (What is it with the overly earnest trolls invariably having a chip on their shoulder about global warming? Say what you will against LLL, Addamo, or Miranda Divide, at least our feisty trolls always have better subjects to go on about.)

      Posted by PW on 2006 06 24 at 09:22 AM • permalink

 

    1. there is reasonable chance anthropomorphic global warming is occurring

      Gaia pride.

      Posted by rhhardin on 2006 06 24 at 10:29 AM • permalink

 

    1. I was supposed to be dead a few years ago. At least according to my elementary school teached who had scared the sh*t out of me in the ‘70s.

      Who thought there would be deer running through my back yard in 2006? I was expecting to be eating Soylent Green.

      Posted by CrankyNeocon on 2006 06 24 at 10:59 AM • permalink

 

    1. harryc, do a site-search on global warming. You’ll find many, many discussions which address your nonsensical point, and others. Frankly, I and many other commenters are sick of having these endless, futile discussions with you Chicken Lib’rels.

      Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to paint up a batch of Lisa Simpson(TM) Tiger Repellent Rocks to sell at the Phish concert next week. Would you like to order one?

      Posted by Dave S. on 2006 06 24 at 11:01 AM • permalink

 

    1. I’m curious, harryc – how much would you have been willing to spend back in the ‘70s to stave off the coming Ice Age, the worldwide famines, and the complete depletion of the world’s oil reserves by 2000?

      Posted by Dave S. on 2006 06 24 at 11:06 AM • permalink

 

    1. Harryc proclaims: “I was a denialist but have switched. Do you have evidence Tim that global warming is a laughable myth? This argument probably trivilises a potentially major problem. Most climate scientists argue there is reasonable chance anthropomorphic global warming is occurring?

      ‘Yuk, yuk there is no problem at all’ may not be a conservative dismissal of the doomsayers. It may just be wrong.  If it doesn’t cost a lot to deal with the issue (greenhouse gases could be slashed by losing a few percentage points of GNP) and there is a risk then sensibly one should act.”

      There may be a problem.  Then again, harryc, there MAY not.  As Dave S. says above, how much would you have spent, how much would you have crippled the world’s economy, back in the ‘70s, when we were all supposed by be dead by 2000?  I remember Future Shock and the coming ice age and the starvation of the entire planet’s population and the eradication of all animals except, possibly, hamsters.  None of that, not even one percent of all that, happened.  And now we’re supposed to be dead, really very sincerely dead, in 10 years?  Oh, come ON!

      Dave S., a note about Phish fans:  You will never see so much litter left behind in your life.  But really, they worry about the ecology, so that makes their littering ok…

      Posted by ushie on 2006 06 24 at 11:22 AM • permalink

 

    1. MEMO
      To: Paco
      From: His Holiness, Pope Benedict
      Subject: Brother Foley

      Are you crazy? Is that your problem? Set the dial on the Catholic converter to “anathematize” and get Foley back on the conversion “to do” list for another day.

      Posted by paco on 2006 06 24 at 11:42 AM • permalink

 

    1. Not just ‘economically illiterate’ but innumerate, too.

      Sure, the globe is warming now.  From 1940 or so to 1975 or so it was cooling.  Over the past 4,000,000,000 years the globe has warmed and cooled and warmed and cooled and (well, I hope harryc gets the point).

      I would like him to explain the global warming that occurred before humans existed.  Or even that like in the 1000AD era before we were putting so much human-caused CO2 in the air.

      Chicken Little is simply not that attractive.  Perhaps we should find a model (which is what this is all built on now) that actually, like, you know, predicts either the past (from the further past) or the present (from the past) accurately before we go off the deep end and beggar us all spending on fixes that aren’t.

      I would believe in this more if the people pushing it were changing their behavior more.  Until then (or until one of their idiot models actually includes solar output and *then* accurately predicts the world temp as caused by anthrogenic [NOT anthromorphic, which I think should mean that global warming *looks* like a human {which would indicate that harryc is fairly language illiterate, also}] output, I’ll just assume it’s one more attempt by the collectivists to enslave us all.

      Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2006 06 24 at 12:40 PM • permalink

 

    1. #

      Huck, I’m in Iraq. I’d drink hot donkey piss if I thought it would get me drunk.

      Texas Bob — Add some sugar and let it sit a while… and don’t ask.

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 06 24 at 12:53 PM • permalink

 

    1. Heh, can’t believe I missed that “anthropomorphic”…methinks the harryc model is getting called back to the moonbat sockpuppet factory soon.

      Posted by PW on 2006 06 24 at 01:38 PM • permalink

 

    1. Always with the negative waves Moriarty, always with the negative waves.

      Texas Bob — How much paint can you get in a 120mm round?

      And now I think on it, the Mongols used to drink fermented mare’s milk.  You could try giving a nanny goat a squeeze and leaving that in the jug for a while…

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 06 24 at 02:45 PM • permalink

 

    1. …and why Huck Foley is entering holy orders.

      Climbing over the wall of a convent is NOT entering holy orders.  At least not in the sense I think we’re talking about here…

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 06 24 at 02:48 PM • permalink

 

    1. I was following Huck because, even though he came out of the Tardis dressed kind of funny, he was very energetic and sharp.  It was an interesting contrast, you know?  He kept pacing and mumbling.  I thought he said something about paco converting to Catholicism, but that can’t be right because paco is already a Catholic, right?

      Anyway, he came out of the Tardis wearing this long brown robe and sporting the funniest hair-do I’ve seen since the Middle Ages (not counting the mohawk and that spiky colored do some kids wear with their pierced and tatooed skin.  Oh, and Cindy Lauper’s weed-wacker do).  He must not have liked his new do, because he quickly took a razor to it and now he looks like a deranged Yul Brenner in a monk’s robe.  (I hope it has a cowl to hide that poor, wrecked, bald head.  I mean, dude!  He went from having a really cute furry looking little tiara resting on his head, to looking as though he had shaved his head with 60-grit sandpaper.  I guess he’s still into that self-flagellation thing, bless his heart.)

      He wanted to ditch the robe, but all I had was an old Trekkie uniform with a red jersey, and you know what that means.  Last I saw of him, he was heading down the corridor mumbling something about getting together with paco for a chat about these blunt objects he had found.  It’s probably something to do with all that wronwright, Rovian secret agent stuff.

      I went to sleep after that.  He wore me out trying to keep up with him.

      Posted by saltydog on 2006 06 24 at 03:15 PM • permalink

 

    1. 62

      Huck, you never got back with me about whether you were one of the Foley’s from Enshytte, Wyoming.

      I never what with who about whether what?  Wait.  What’s the question?  I don’t think I’m related to anybody actually named Foley or to anybody in Wyoming unless they are a cartoon character or a goat.  And that includes those stuck-up damn bighorn sheep who all get standoffish when I show up around Yellowstone, so even if they are related, it’s like they’d rather not be.

      Posted by Huck Foley on 2006 06 24 at 03:28 PM • permalink

 

    1. Perhaps we should find a model (which is what this is all built on now) that actually, like, you know, predicts either the past (from the further past) or the present (from the past) accurately before we go off the deep end and beggar us all spending on fixes that aren’t.

      Trouble is, one of the differences between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives look to the past for guidance, wisdom, precedent and pattern. Liberals disdain the past and are ignorant of history, or dismiss it as irrelevant in the modern world (despite the fact that the differences between us and, say, the ancient Babylonians are not very great). That’s why you can’t get liberals to acknowledge the past Chicken Little prophecies, why they go blank when you talk about the MWP, and why (changing subjects) John Edwards has (unironically) begun talking about a War on Poverty (becasue the last one worked out so very well.)

      Posted by Dave S. on 2006 06 24 at 03:38 PM • permalink

 

    1. 77 Heh heh, when you down-tune a standard degibbricizer, it forms a harmonic wave with any nearby degibbricizers.  Add a directional antenna, or just crudely substitute a big ol’ pair of pliers, and voila!  An unreliable but ingenious eavesdropping device.  Let me just power it up here…

      Set the dial on the Catholic converter to “anathematize” and get Foley back

      “Anathematize”??  That’s where you disappear in a fine red mist, isn’t it?  Looks like I’ve pissed off the Pope, along with everything else.  Great.  I need to start working up some better hiding places, and can pretty much scratch Enshyte, Wyoming off the list.  Great great grrrrrrrrrrr…

      Posted by Huck Foley on 2006 06 24 at 03:52 PM • permalink

 

    1. #85:

      John Edwards’ hair is preparing another presidential run, I take it?

      Posted by PW on 2006 06 24 at 04:29 PM • permalink

 

    1. Yup.

      Posted by Dave S. on 2006 06 24 at 11:53 PM • permalink

 

    1. #79 & 81 richard mcenroe, Thank you for what is undeniably the most useful two posts I have ever read. Period.

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 06 25 at 02:17 AM • permalink

 

    1. Texas Bob

      If your home brewing rotgut heres a recipe for you.

      Stone fruit (fruit bars in a pinch), a bin liner, large bucket with a lid, and some dried bread (or yeast).
      Smash up your fruit, crumble in a small amout of bread. Put the bin liner in the bucket and fill about 1/4 full with pulp and 1/2 with water. Tie off the bag but leave enough looseness in the knot that the gas can escape. Put the bucket lid on and leave in a warm place (30-35 degrees). After about 2 days the lid will pop this means it is working. Leave it for a week, or 2 if you want real rocket fuel add a kg or 2 of sugar half way through, top up the water if if evaporates off a lot.
      Strain it through some cloth and test on someone you dont like. If they dont die your mixer of choice is probably milk. this stuff usualy rips your tonsils out.
      (This is a prison/detention centre recipie)
      PS: I found all the brews where I worked using my nose, this stuff smells strong.

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 06 25 at 08:13 AM • permalink

 

    1. 66.. harryc..Good effort but don’t expect a straight answer.
      Of course the world isn’t warmer. Seas aren’t warming, most glaciers are not in retreat or disappearing, parts of the Himalayas are not melting and falling over, the Arctic isn’t less ice bound, the Maldives aren’t disappearing etc etc. Its just a rightist “conspiracy theory” that all lefties are making it up for their own nefarious ends (don’t worry about the hard data.. See Later #) Satellite and acoustic data?? Pppaahh..

      *sighs, yawns, scratches crotch and goes back to medicated sleep*

      You see, anybody who suggests that it might be prudent to listen to, oh, almost the entire body of Earth and Climate scientists, is a raving softie leftie latte wimpy weiner sockpuppet (WTF??) who only wants to bring down the good ol’ US of A. And perhaps a few other global corporations at the same time.
      Hard Data..#
      Don’t bother quoting impartial, learned peer reviewed bodies and journals or even experienced and level headed news sources, when the august scientistoids on this forum can do a quickie calculation and show you that in real “fact” the earth has never been safer BUT if it does actually get any warmer, only midgets paddling about at Brighton need worry..

      Don’t bother reading this..
      http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0625-02.htm
      This sort of reporting is NOT valid, even though the suggestions re massive and catastrophic ice sheet slippage and the mechanisms behind it, might make most wise wimpy weiner type people stop and think for a moment or two….

      The research scientist involved has only spent almost his entire professional life studying the subject and area, so what can he possibly add to the knowledge you will absorb here, from the back of an envelope??

      Posted by drpoll on 2006 06 25 at 11:04 PM • permalink

 

    1. “And don’t forget, one thousand times worse than 911 is 911,000.”

      I hoped someone would throw in a Team America reference.

      Posted by Andjam on 2006 06 25 at 11:39 PM • permalink

 

    1. Damn thing about lefties is that they can write more than anyone, without saying a thing.

      Posted by aaron_ on 2006 06 26 at 12:37 AM • permalink

 

    1. I thought we were gonna have nuclear winter!

      Posted by Texanna on 2006 06 27 at 02:06 PM • permalink

 

    1. 57

      So anyway here’s me, skulking down the alleyway … two instruments of mayhem concealed.  It’s dark, it’s ugly, and my attitude is starting to deteriorate.  What’s the last thing I need just now?

      38, (but not of *this* thread)

      Saltydog – I am an economist.
      Posted by http://kalimna.blogspot.com/ on 2006 06 25 at 10:17 PM

      Ghahaghghgh!!  Stop it!  WHEREZATFRIKINRAZOR!!!  Hold still, you!  NYRRRrrrr!!!

      Posted by Huck Foley on 2006 06 27 at 10:59 PM • permalink

 

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