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Senator Bob Brown at today’s Greens policy launch:
He says the Federal Government has failed to protect Australia against global warming.
Consider it done, Senator:
A fast-moving cold snap from the Antarctic has swept across south eastern Australia sending temperatures plummeting as snow and hail fell across three states.
- Consider it done, Senator:
Except someone forgot to tell the environment…
Australia’s Drought Will Reduce GDP, Forecaster Says (Update1)
By Gemma Daley and Hans van Leeuwen
Oct. 27 (Bloomberg)—Australia’s worst drought in history will subtract 0.7 percentage points from economic growth in the year ended June 30, 2007, the Australian Bureau of Agricultural and Resource Economics said.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aG.zvwfDXmUI&refer=home
- Kilo, you ever heard of El Nino? That kid’s been quietly working his magic on this Continent since record keeping began. Once upon a time you could at least trust the media to tell you when to prepare fo rthe next one. Now it’s just about “global warmening”. I do hope that weather forecasts are not soon to be replaced by “global warming reports”.Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 10 28 at 06:30 AM • permalink
- “The Independent newspaper reported Friday that the long-awaited review would say global warming could cost the world’s economies up to 20 percent of their gross domestic product if urgent action is not taken to stop floods, storms and natural catastrophes.”
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20061027-1221-britain-globalwarming.html
The opposition to combatting Global Warming is ideological and furthermore makes absolutely no sense for its protagonists to prosecute the argument. I
- When Australia relies on Antarctica to save them from the horrific greenhouse gases that will certainly turn the Earth into a Venus-like fiery hell within the next year or so, won’t that mean that Australia has simply become a pawn of the antarctic government and it’s penguin overlords?
We all know the answer to that question. *squeak*
The opposition to combatting Global Warming is ideological
I think you mean “opposition to global warming is ideological”. Those of us who know history don’t resist that which we can’t. Since this period is merely an continuation of the rollback of the Little Ice Age, or perhaps an increase in solar energy, or both, Al Gore flying his private jet around the place will do diddly squat to change it. Remember the mega-fauna? They thrived exceedingly well in much warmer global conditions than exist now, and their dying off coincided with cooler times. Or were you asleep during that class?
Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 10 28 at 07:32 AM • permalink
- In Perth last summer we had no summer at all. In December last year the mean daily maximum temperature was lowest on record at 23.7 degrees. The previous record low mean was 24.3 degrees in 1922. Perth scarcely had a day that hit 30 degrees.
A maximum temperature of 32 degrees or higher was reached on only 24 occasions in the summer of 05/06 whereas the average for summer is 31 such days. It turned out to be the coolest summer in Perth since 1959/60.
Obviously there aren’t enough people in Perth driving SUV’s. We need to lift our bloody game or else we’ll be dodging penguins and polar bears on St Georges Tce come Christmas.
Kilo, you ever heard of El Nino?
Considering it was cited as the source of the drought about four sentences into the very story he linked, you would think so, wouldn’t you?
But as you say, Albury, all of the natural causes of climate variation – El Nino, volcanos, the freakin’ sun – are now being ignored as cavemen like kilo prostrate themselves before the angry Gaia and the demon Global Warmacoolichanging.
I thought it was climate change.
Now the Greenie Brownie has changed tack and reverted its dogma to glowball Varming.
Depends on the weather. When it’s hot, it’s Global Warming. When it’s cool, Brown and kilo and their fellow numbnuts realize what dipshits they sound like talking about warming = cooling, so they revert to Global Climate Change.
Remember, religious believers are impervious to inherent contradictions in their scripture.
A fast-moving cold snap from the Antarctic has swept across south eastern Australia sending temperatures plummeting as snow and hail fell across three states.
Don’t you get it? That’s extreme weather. It’s a manifestation of Global Warmacoolichanging. Because sub-literate, presentist lefties don’t know that observations of extreme weather have been recorded since the invention of writing.
- Australia’s worst drought in history will subtract 0.7 percentage points from economic growth in the year ended June 30, 2007, the Australian Bureau of Agricultural and Resource Economics said.
Ok, which one of you gaia haters had pizza for dinner?
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2006 10 28 at 09:07 AM • permalink
- El Nino never gets a jumper anymore when it comes to our weather.
I made this point a few weeks ago
Do these people actually think the climate has ever been stable?
- observations of extreme weather have been recorded since the invention of writing.
What?? No, that can’t be true. Extreme weather was introduced only when the murderous system of capitalism was forced upon a pliant populace by the owners of all the wealth and money. (And we all know who that was, don’t we.) Workers of the world, throw off your shackles and your sunscreen, and help return this world to a better time. One man, one cave!
- #19 ArtVandelay
Australia’s worst drought in history will subtract 0.7 percentage points from economic growth in the year ended June 30, 2007, the Australian Bureau of Agricultural and Resource Economics said.
Ok, which one of you gaia haters had pizza for dinner?In other words, which one of you jokers reverberated in here?
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 10 28 at 11:28 AM • permalink
- you know the political weather has changed for ever when peter costello announces a solar power station. & nothing wrong with that either. more solar, less dependence on oil from fucktards like ahmedinejad & the saudi sponsors of headhacking. that’s eminently sensible. warmenizing? who cares? free energy from the sun, yay. a small investment in thin film research will make mirror coatings and solar cells much more efficient & bring the unit price down. that can’t be bad
mind you, if we staked out catsmeat hilaly & his rape-apologist disciples in the sun we could harvest some gas from their rotting carcase after a few days. i can see Protean Abattoir Co doing nicely out of supplying the raw resources. but no, that’s the kind of thing we’d expect from the ROP, so let’s leave it alone…
- #19
Ok, which one of you gaia haters had pizza for dinner?
Well, living in Sydney and feeling peckish, I naturally ordered delicious wood fired oven pizza from a little place in Italy.
That delivery jet reverberated half way round the world.Mmmmmm, delicious.
A fast-moving cold snap from the Antarctic has swept across south eastern Australia sending temperatures plummeting as snow and hail fell across three states.
Hey, finally, the doom bringing ice-age the left was predicting in the 70’s arrives.
- “Greens”
I once predicted that there would never be a stupider group of ideological retards than the communists.
Wrong again.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2006 10 28 at 12:28 PM • permalink
- “The Little Ice Age came in, and with it overarching famine.”
Yeah, but the skiing was awesome.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2006 10 28 at 12:52 PM • permalink
- Wasn’t it in the year 1000 A.D. that Leif Ericson discovered “Greenland”? Which Leif decided was the appropriate name, because of the territory’s environment.
I say the only reason Greenland’s covered in ice these days is because all those Norse Viking ships used so much fossil fuel back a thousand years ago, what with discovering all those “new worlds” and such… which of course really set mankind on a backwards course. Obviously.
- I am sitting here with a small box of crackers called “eco-planet organic cookies.”
I discovered this abomination against cookies at the Socialist Republic’s (where I live) coop store. These cookies that resemble the hoary tradition of animal crackers in type only, are made to resemble the sun (solar energy!), the earth (earth-friendly!) electric cars (green cars!) and fans (wind energy!). There are 16 cookies in the box, all vegan (!).
The fan cookies just make me mad. There’s a perfectly good opportunity to try out wind power off Cape Cod, but those fucking Kennedys want everyone else’s views ruined, but certainly not their own. The Great Bloat Teddy should be hanged by his own petard, but it would probably tear off from straining at carrying his vast evil bulk.
I just hate all this stuff, and now it’s becoming a reflex, not unlike the one I have for making fun of kilos.
- But I thought cars WERE environmental technology. If Mr. Brown is right, they certainly change it, don’t they? But he’s complaining about them…Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 10 28 at 04:33 PM • permalink
- #35, enough of that! I look good on skis.
(getting the ears under a woolly beanie is a problem though)Posted by Crusader rabbit on 2006 10 28 at 04:50 PM • permalink
- A petard is a bomb, specifically a mine set to demolish enemy fortifications. If your sappers (engineers) miscalculated and placed it too near your own position, you’d be hoisted by it when it went off.
But the really important thing is that I too had pizza last night. Damn. Two of us simultaneously – we’re doomed for sure.
Posted by Steve Skubinna on 2006 10 28 at 04:57 PM • permalink
- Kilo, as someone working in climate policy, let me explain that there is a difference between fact and political rhetoric.
This is NOT yet the worst drought ever. It would have to run another year or two for that (which it might well do, BTW, because we have entered another El Nino event, just when it was due).
The worst drought was the 1890-s – 1902 federation drought (allowing people to get away to some extent with saying this drought is the worst in 100 years, as the federation drought happened in the 1890’s), closely followed by the drought during WWII (no one remembers this one too well as there were other more pressing issues at the time). It was also a monster drought similar to this running form 1918 to 1921 or so, and another cracker during the 1930’s, again similar to this one. Note that they were all in the first half of the 20th century.
The period 1950’s to 1970’s were the reverse, very wet by comparison, with the 1965 drought standing out – although interestingly, this was a La Nina year. The 1980’s were relatively normal, a fair bit drier than the 1970’s, and with a sharp, severe drought event in 1983. The 1990’s had a couple of sharp, El Nino driven droughts followed by an exceptionally good run of seasons from 1998 through to 2001. 1999 and 2000 in particular were exceptional years.
The 2002 El Nino event was very nasty, and there has not been any widespread recovery since (it happens sometimes), and there was no La Nina (rarer than El Nino). It is now time for the next El Nino event (the cycle is usually about 3-6 years, if it happens – in the 1970’s there was only one). There is a really good poster summarising this that is available from here.As for the politicians, you must remember that Brackistan (Vic) is in the middle of an election, followed by NSW early next year. Both these areas had a failed winter wheat crop, as was forecast before they planted. But farmers are an optimistic lot, and don’t trust forecasters, so with a nice drop of rain at planting time, went hammer and tongs on the paddocks. This problem has become evident to them and the politicians, right in time for the Vic election. It also doesn’t help that the Feds are going to elections next year as well, so the electoral cycle is driving the rhetoric.
- Can we please have a bit of that warming in Melbourne. It’s bloody freezing today.
Bobby Brown-nose worries of the impacts of climate change, yet opposes new dams, desalination and any other measures to help against future drought. Thank god the folks who build the Thompson Dam didn’t listen to his type of mindless nattering.
Posted by curious george on 2006 10 28 at 05:49 PM • permalink
“The Independent newspaper reported Friday that the long-awaited review would say global warming could cost the world’s economies up to 20 percent of their gross domestic product if urgent action is not taken to stop floods, storms and natural catastrophes.”
Everyone else here has done a marvelous job of pointing out kilo’s mistakes and inconsistencies. Well done!
I just want to emphasize that kilo is a fucking idiot.
That is all.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 10 28 at 06:16 PM • permalink
- #50 : You are thinking of a retard.Posted by curious george on 2006 10 28 at 06:48 PM • permalink
- #24
Of course! When a henchman gives an order, minions obey.
Lessee…<looks an manuals while pushing buttons…>
Hmm. The Paco Industries Global Coolerising/Warmenator instant reversal satellites had a minor malfunction and dumped 12 metres of SHOVELS on his house.
Bummer.
Still, all he has to do is burrow upwards thru 12 metres of snow and grab a shovel, so your order has been obeyed, Mighty Paco!
MarkL
Minionmeister to the VRWC(PSST! Paco! Why are the instructions to the Paco Industries Global Coolerising/Warmenator instant reversal satellites in Akkadian cunieform?)
- So, politicians really can control teh weather. Howard does it again . eat that labourites and lefties.
(I nearly said liberals, but in Oz, they’re the good guys).
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 10 28 at 07:14 PM • permalink
- #52:
(PSST! Paco! Why are the instructions to the Paco Industries Global Coolerising/Warmenator instant reversal satellites in Akkadian cunieform?)
Dammit, paco, if you don’t stop leaving the originals lying around you’re gonna get a call from the TUSP (Tardis Users Security Police). The timeline with Akkadian starships is supposed to be SECURE.
For the most part we’re happy with your peformance, but a few more slips like that and we may have to replace you. Replacement isn’t fatal, you understand—you just get to spend the rest of your life in Shiloh, with all your other malfeasing doppelgangers—and nobody here will be able to tell the difference. Of course you’ll be aware that it’s already happened once…
Word to the wise and all that, hmm?
Regards,
Ric
Sector Coordinator
Anglosphere Sector Support & Holographic Assistance Team
Timeline Alteration Force
- #48 When I was in Cairns last November, I met several cabbies who had escaped the cold in Melbourne. Yet another reason to visit Darwin in Jnauary.Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 10 28 at 07:32 PM • permalink
- #45 I thought so entropy.
When I heard “the worst drought in 100 years” I immediately thought of the worser drought at the turn of the last century, without knowing that there was one.
Rather like “warmest weather in 1000 years” meaning it was warmer 1000 years ago.
I always employ this argument with success, because the eco-suckers love to agree with me when I agree with their “warmest sibnce..” argument.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 10 28 at 07:36 PM • permalink
- #48 Seriously for a moment, curious george, why is anyone opposed to desalination?
This is beyond irrational.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 10 28 at 07:41 PM • permalink
- Ushie re Petards
This was a wonderful device to cure mediaeval soldiers suffering manic depression. It was an iron box filled with gunpowder, and had a piece of quickmatch hanging out of it. It was specially designed to blow in the doors at castle gate-houses (the weakest point of a mediaeval fortification) so your chaps could charge in and merrily slaughter the occupants.
The problem was that the things weighed about 50-70 pounds, and the soldier carrying it had to run all the way up to the gate under heavy crossbow and handgun fire, pass under the gatehouse overhang where other armoured chappies would be dropping rocks, throwing javelins and committing various other sundry unfriendly acts and hang it on the timber door. he had to do this while in his armour, with a bunch of others to fend off enemy soldiers who’d pop out of sally ports to discuss the matter with swords, spears, halberds, berdische axes and the like.
THEN he had to hang the petard, light the quickmatch and quickly clank in the general direction of away.
Now, this was all a bit exciting (sometimes the successful petardier would forget to light the quickmatch, or his slow match would have gone out), so often, the big kahuna would say, well, I reckon you can do all of that in 60 seconds, and you need another 30 to get clear, we’ll add another 30 seconds for safety. So as you START your run, we’ll light the 2 minutes of quickmatch for you! That’s a lot of quickmatch, so they’d coil it. And it was not possessed of a regular burn rate. SO often, in would run the volunteer, it’d burn a bit fast (or jump the coil) and BOOM! He’d be “hoist on his own petard”.
AKA “raining down in bloody chunks for hundreds of yards in all directions.”
Kinda like a mediaeval splodeydope, but without the idea of killing innocents in a cafe or bus. This was soldier’s business (but maybe for really dumb soldiers).
MarkL
Canberra
- #57 Wimpy, it depends on the type of desalination.
Solar desalinated water (aka rain) tastes really good.
The only other type I’ve tried was desalinated by reverse osmosis and it tasted foul. Not sure about its costs.
Desalination by distillation is, I believe, too costly and produces too much CO2 in generating the energy needed.
- Ok, I’m very glad that some of you took responsibility and admitted that you’d eaten pizza last night. The Reverberatometer was registering so much activity that I thought wronwright had been accidentally given the launch codes for the Tsunami Machine again.
In future, I’d like you all to try and exercise some self control. Next time you feel like pizza, remember this saying: reverberations make baby gaia cry.
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2006 10 28 at 10:39 PM • permalink
- “Solar desalinated water (aka rain) tastes really good.”
People DRINK that stuff? I thought it was just the base ingredient for coffee and things. And for showering.Posted by Crusader rabbit on 2006 10 28 at 10:48 PM • permalink
- #62 Brian: Bizarrely, stupid channel 7 news was last night touting the cold snap as “further proof of global warming.” Try and work that one out!
The hysterical MSM are trying to get maximum mileage out of ANY changes in the weather.
They’ve got the populace scared of the very ordinary term ‘climate change’ and their rhetoric is now way out of control, they don’t know how to report anything except global WARMENING.
- Re #45, I can see why you chose the blog name of “entropy”. LOL!Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 10 28 at 11:31 PM • permalink
- #57. It seems many the Greens here have a belief that if it is man made then it must be bad. Even if it is clean water.
I think the hidden motive behind this is because they will have no excuse for not showering.
Posted by curious george on 2006 10 29 at 12:26 AM • permalink
- Oct. 27 (Bloomberg)—Australia’s worst drought in history will subtract 0.7 percentage points from economic growth in the year ended June 30, 2007
Yes, and don’t forget that the very concept of economic growth is a capitalist earth-plundering patent.
… and what the authentic Jeffs said about Kilo being a deadset moron.
- Vexorg
Either a flash evaporator system (use waste heat to heat seawater, pump it in to a partial vacuum so it boils at low temp, condense the vapur with a seawater heat exchanger), or a reverse osmosis system.
Theya re the standard ones these days (flash vaps are very old tech, but are simple and reliable)
MarkL
Canberra
- #14, Hey lets not forget we had a solid week (8 days straight if my memory serves) of days over 38, thats 100 for you yanks, the summer before.
As for not having enough SUV’s (known locally as YAV’s – Yuppie Assualt Vehicles), you live south of the river or something?
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2006 10 29 at 05:04 AM • permalink
- #57, Desal only becomes economically viable with nulcear power. Otherwise your burning huge amounts of coal (thats what we use down under) to make water. Although the partial vacuum/flash boil process sounds more efficient.
What we need is a viscious cyclone season to get some rain into the red centre.
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2006 10 29 at 05:39 AM • permalink
- Heh. We were visiting moonbats this evening, and had an amusing exchange.
There was a brief discussion about religion, and about how at least Jesus (whether you believe in Him or not) had some good ideas and set an example that can’t be beat.
Then global warmenising came up. ie, I made a crack about the religion of global warmenising, that is.
The immediate rejoinder was that: at least global warming is real, not like religions.
With great difficulty I kept a straight face and bit my tongue.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 10 29 at 06:21 AM • permalink
- What is religion of global womanising you’re all talking about?Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2006 10 29 at 06:42 AM • permalink
- Oh FFS, PIMF
What is this religion …
Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2006 10 29 at 06:52 AM • permalink
- Correction to #73, those 8 days of heat were in March, thats autumn for us…Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2006 10 29 at 06:59 AM • permalink
- #74
What we need is a viscious cyclone season to get some rain into the red centre.
That is exactly right. It’s an ill wind…….
Of course, as southern hemisphere ocean temperatures are lower than normal, especially around Australia, a normal cyclone season, let alone a bumper year, is unlikely. This is even more so with an El Nino, when the equatorial central pacific ocean is warmer than usual. The cyclones (mostly) stay offshore.
One thing that erks me about eastern Australian ocean temps – they have been lower than average for quite a few years now. Think about that next time some
rent seekerresearcherreaching the end of their fundingstarts crapping on about coral bleaching and the end of the GBR due to global warmening. Even if it were true how do they manage to get such excellent coral in lower latitudes, like the Solomon Islands?
- #72 there is very good & very simple australian solar water purifying technology being used in africa, timor, etc, that could be employed on an industrial scale in australia to recyle grey water & such. but for some reason greenies prefer singing kumbayah in the forest & pushing for wealth & death taxes to promoting stuff that could do a power of good
- Did all remember to set clocks, forward one hour (OZ, those areas that participate) or back one hour (Us in Imperial America,
except for those in some areas of our nation that remain entrenched in medieval thinking and don’t give a rats ass about Daylight Savings Time…lol)Ooopsss, just was informed that the State of Indiana came aboard the DST train as of April 2nd, 2006 and now has seen the light, so to speak.
- #84 El Cid “just was informed that the State of Indiana came aboard the DST train as of April 2nd, 2006”
Enjoy it while you can! The DST Thingy has now been labeled a Republican Plot, and may have actually put some House seats in trouble (see article in Saturday’s Weekend WSJ). (Yes, congressmen don’t have anything to do with it, but the governor isn’t up for reelection until 2008, and the natives seem eager to punish somebody.)
Interesting thing is that people are now floating the idea of DST all year around. Which is what Indiana had been doing for the last 30 years or so, with most of the state staying at GMT -5.
Now ‘scuse me while I go reset all the damn clocks.
Posted by Old Grouch on 2006 10 29 at 03:30 PM • permalink
- #50 #51
PETA is at it again. I see that they are trying to ban Australian Wool in the US, they already have some poncy clothing designer who won’t use Australian Wool because of muelsing.
Perhaps he should see what happens to a flyblown sheep?
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If I was as irrational as Brown-eye Bob and Inconvenient Al, I’d say John Howard brought on the change by refusing to sign the Kyoto Treaty.