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“Australia is once again making more sense than any other country on earth with regard to issues of culture and immigration,” writes Thomas Lifson:
It is quite insulting and patronizing to immigrate to a country and expect it to adapt to the very things one left behind. This is the behavior of a conqueror, not an immigrant.
By definition, an immigrant asks for the privilege of being allowed to live in a country not his or her own. Immigrants have no right to demand change. No more than I have a right to barge into your house and demand you rearrange the furniture, knock out the wall between the kitchen and family room, and paint the parlor walls a different color.
An immigrant stipulates that the country to which he or she goes has a superior system. Without such an attraction, why else leave behind family, friends, and the attachments of sentiment?
Quite so. It’s why everybody wants to live in Australia.
This is the behavior of a conqueror, not an immigrant.
I think they are fully aware of this and are trying to see how much “conquering” they’re allowed to get away with. Give an inch…
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 09 25 at 11:42 AM • permalink
As Prime Minister Howard said recently, those who want to live under Sharia have quite a number of countries in which to live. There is no reason for Australia (or Canada or America or Britain or France, for that matter) to accommodate them. Other than their own confusion, self-loathing, and moral weakness of their elites, riven with self-soubt and cravenly seeking approval from the cosmopolitan smart set.
My admiration for Prime Minister Howard continues to grow. My love for Australia and Australians, always deep, has turned into utter infatuation. If I couldn’t live in my beloved America, I would be off to Australia in a heartbeat.
Yep, pretty much how I feel too.
I’d have no prob changing allegiance to Australia, except for those spiders that can kill you by simply looking at you, the fact that it often rains deadly poisonous snakes from the sky, spiders that can bite through the reinforced toes of work boots, and kill you, crocodiles wandering the streets…. and those crazy barbarian tribes that wander the hinterlands and occasionally invade towns like what was shown in the Mad Max documentary series.
It is quite insulting and patronizing to immigrate to a country and expect it to adapt to the very things one left behind. This is the behavior of a conqueror, not an immigrant.
DING! DING! DING!
We have a winner!
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 09 25 at 12:09 PM • permalink
- #4. Spiny’s got it.
Muslims are ex-migrants, not in-migrants; they are ex-porting their bullshit by bringing it with them.
Posted by Harry Bergeron on 2006 09 25 at 01:16 PM • permalink
Where, oh where, are the poltiical leaders of America? Don’t they understand that anyone with the guts to follow the lead of PM Howard would become an instant hero?
The GOP is just not there yet. They are still triangulating using paradigms of the ‘60s. Bush’s approval ratings would hit the 80s if he said such a thing. But the “compassionate” one will never dare. I think we have to wait and hope for…Rudy?
- Hmmm.
Like being married, only with no sex.
You’re repeating yourself. The lack of sex is the very definition of marriage.
Posted by memomachine on 2006 09 25 at 02:34 PM • permalink
I think we have to wait and hope for…Rudy?
Doubtful. Better odds, but still doubtful.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 09 25 at 02:40 PM • permalink
- Where, oh where, are the political leaders of America? Don’t they understand that anyone with the guts to follow the lead of PM Howard would become an instant hero?
Exactly so. He describes Canada and the US perfectly. If we don’t get rid of this multiculti PC we’re-so-horrible crap, it’s going to kill us.
- I’m curious- anyone know what’s going on in New Zealand? (they are next door after all). Are they standing firm or are they becoming Zealandistan?
I wonder, or rather hope, that Aussie attitudes are having some infiltrative effect.Posted by daddy dave on 2006 09 25 at 02:55 PM • permalink
The lack of sex is the very definition of marriage.
There are stronger, more binding forces than sex. Every marriage is proof of it.
Posted by daddy dave on 2006 09 25 at 02:57 PM • permalink
- Australia: the “Sweden” for the world’s conservatives.Posted by daddy dave on 2006 09 25 at 02:59 PM • permalink
- Perhaps we could get Mr. Lifson to visit Dearborn and have a little chat with the Lebanese-Americans there.
I’ve come to the conclusion that those who cannot reconcile themselves to the fundamental ideas that underwrite this country, such as the individual rights spelled out for all to see in our constitution and its amendments, ought to give it up and go where they will be happy. I’ve also come to the conclusion that those people who “protest” and march in support of Hizb’allah, may not then complain that they are tired of being seen as potential terrorists.
I’ve come to other conclusions, as those who visit the comments here know, but these two will suffice for the subject at hand.
- #13 Daddy Dave, I’ve got friends in UnZud. Around the time of the Cronulla fiasco, I asked how they were coping with their own collection of assorted MOMEAs.
Not surprisingly, anecdotal evidence has it that the yoots get up to the same crap at the beaches there that led up to Cronulla.
Of course, they’ve also been putting up with problems courtesy of the maoris and the different islander gangs. (One friend’s daughter married a member of the Samoan mafia for goodness’ sake!).
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 09 25 at 05:49 PM • permalink
- What Thomas Lifson writes is true….until Labor gets back in.Posted by ozconservative on 2006 09 25 at 06:25 PM • permalink
I’d have no prob changing allegiance to Australia, except for those spiders that can kill you by simply looking at you, the fact that it often rains deadly poisonous snakes from the sky, spiders that can bite through the reinforced toes of work boots, and kill you, crocodiles wandering the streets…. and those crazy barbarian tribes that wander the hinterlands and occasionally invade towns like what was shown in the Mad Max documentary series.
Sounds like Florida. I’ve always thought I’d feel at home in Australia.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 09 25 at 06:42 PM • permalink
- Yeah, he’s right, for now. But what worries me is that Australia could be the last one standing. I know the USA will put up a good fight, but. And there are positive noises starting to emerge, eg Canada. But it could get lonely, and, let’s face it we’re a very attractive country with a lot of space.
Anyone know what’s happening about, I think 2, USA bases being set up here. Saw something about it a couple of months ago.
New Zealand, hmmmm, lost cause or spoilt brat. Though probably because they are really Oz’s 7th State :), so they’re like the younger sibling. Get away with stuff, cos big bro is standing nearby.
- #25 mr creosote:
you forgot the Drop Bears
Not scary. I dont mind stuff that you can see coming, as long as it’s not filed it’s teeth, riding some strange dune buggy and shooting crossbows or shotguns at me (like those outbackians in the Mad Max documentary series)
After all, we do have
Land Sharks
in the US.
- #9Patricia, I’ve got all the Condi 2008 T-shirts but I have to admit, a Rudy run, with Condi as Veep would be a winner. And, also, not a sell-out.Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 09 25 at 07:13 PM • permalink
- #21 Andrea, well why not go this “summer” as the call winter down there. You’ll really like Darwin in the wet season. I’m going.Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 09 25 at 07:18 PM • permalink
- hey guys these days its easier for an Islamic fundamenalist to immigrate to Australia than NZ.
NZ’s immigration laws these days mean that its only possible to go there if you have a job there…that mean most immigrants come from either the UK or are overseas students in NZ who persuade someone to employ them.
- I would love to emigrate to Australia, but only if I can bring my 30 or so assorted guns with me…Posted by Spectre765 on 2006 09 25 at 07:41 PM • permalink
- I’m flattered by the article, and I’m very glad that PM Howard and Peter Costello have the guts to speak the truth bluntly. If the ‘Motoons’ and the recent Pope controversy have taught us anything, it’s the importance of not being intimidated into silence.
However, the demographic reality here is no better than USA. (Although thankfully nowhere near as bad as say France and Netherlands, etc). We still have a minority that openly professes contempt for our culture, and it is still growing at a much faster pace than the rest of the population.
I actually think USA with its vigorous honouring of its constitution is in a better position than us on some things. I’m not talking about the gun-thing – I have zero interest in that. But I am talking about your constitutional right to freedom of speech.
In Oz (as in UK too), there has been a multiplying of ‘villification laws’, which I’m pretty sure would be illegal under US constitution.
So I think there’s a lot to admire in what USA does too.
There are stronger, more binding forces than sex. Every marriage is proof of it.
Divorce lawyers.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 09 25 at 08:37 PM • permalink
- #33 yep, them too.Posted by daddy dave on 2006 09 25 at 09:02 PM • permalink
- If you guys are so smart, howcum you couldn’t fix Mel Gibson when we sent him to you?Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 09 25 at 09:50 PM • permalink
- richard mcenroe # 35
If you guys are so smart, howcum you couldn’t fix Mel Gibson when we sent him to you?Unfixable – that’s why we sent him back.
Posted by Stop Continental Drift! on 2006 09 25 at 10:09 PM • permalink
- James J – Being able to practice Sharia Law, separate for Australian law, for one thing (Mr Bembrica’s notorious ABC interview)Posted by Stop Continental Drift! on 2006 09 25 at 10:11 PM • permalink
- (*hand raised*) me me me!!! I know this one!
well, it’s pretty much been squashed in Aussieland, but some juicy examples from overseas (from the top of my head). all of the following have been covered by Tim, but I’ll be buggered if I’m going to search out the links.
1. the beginning of “muslim-women-only beaches” in Italy, where women stay covered the whole time. one now. more to come. eventually it will be ulturally “offensive” to “minorities” (ie muslims) for women to not be covered at beaches.
2. the removal of the swirl from the ice cream (maccas? burger king?) in UK because some dude thought it looked like Allah in Arabic (no joke)
3. the girl whose passport photo got rejected because it showed her shoulders which “could be offensive in some countries”
4. the right to practice female circumcision in western countries
5. the right to practice polygamy in western countries (they already do this, including in Aus, and all the extra wives get money for being single mums)
6. ban on mocking Mohammad in western media (see the danish cartoon controversy)
7. ban on fiction that satirises Muslim dictatorships (see the fatwah on Salman rushdie)
8. ban on movies that criticise the brutal treatment of women in traditional muslim societies (see the assassination of Theo van Gogh)
8. demanding official recognition of Muslim terror organisations such as Hezbollah (that one’s in Australia, about a month ago)
that’s a good enough primer for now…Posted by daddy dave on 2006 09 25 at 10:17 PM • permalink
- I love it when people blow sunshine up our bum, but that article is a little misleading. All our institutions are still dominated by multi-cultists and until that changes it’s all just empty rhetoric.
One more thing you Imperialist American dogs can you please stop with the gun insults? It’s very emasculating for us. We can still own guns, it’s just that they have a cork and a string attached to them. On the bright side at least we have secure borders, so there!
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 09 25 at 10:35 PM • permalink
- The British have run up the white flag….“GOD SAVE THE QUEEN ” because the security forces wont.
Police to brief Muslims before terror raids
Abul TaherPOLICE have agreed to consult a panel of Muslim leaders before mounting counter-terrorist raids or arrests. Members of the panel will offer their assessment of whether information police have on a suspect is too flimsy and will also consider the consequences on community relations of a raid.
Members will be security vetted and will have to promise not to reveal any intelligence they are shown. They will not have to sign the Official Secrets Act.
The first panel, expected to consist of four people, will be set up initially in London. Tomorrow representatives from police forces across England and Wales will decide whether to make the scheme national.Muslim groups have welcomed the move, which is understood to be backed by Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan police commissioner
ah sheeeyit …Sir Ian “bendover” Blair…..him again
- hate to inject a serious note into this happy stream, but I migrated to heaven (AKA Sydney) a loonngg time ago. You telling me I can’t try to change things? I have to take whatever crap the left-wing governement in NSW throws at me (or if I’d made the basic mistake and gone to Qld, I’d have to be happy with Bjelke-Petersen?)
Like it or not, when you let in migrants, they become citizens, just like you. Same rights. What’s missing in the current equation is that citizens also have duties and obligations. If the whingers would stop talking so much about rights, and start talking about duties, like obeying the laws re women, work, education, freedom of expression and freedom of religion, then maybe we’d have a welcoming of migrants.
Posted by rampisadmukerjee on 2006 09 26 at 01:57 AM • permalink
- That’s a good point, rampisadmukerjee, anyone in a democracy can agitate for change. It’s troubling though, when there is an imported ideology agitating for a theocratic fascist state where women are subjugated, free speech is curtailed, and where the ultimate goal is a caliphate where infidels can be executed. It’s also troubling when proponents of this ideology use terrorism as leverage, even if it terrorism committed by others so far.Posted by daddy dave on 2006 09 26 at 04:50 AM • permalink
- #45 daddy dave.
You’re right, it’s worrisome. But the answer is not to close the door, but to open the windows – to freedom. If people who are citizens of Australia are doing things that are harmful, to the state or to other citizens, then it’s our duty to have laws that protect us (? a constitution ?) and to make sure citizens conform to these laws.
If Aussie citizens are “happy” with terrorism – sad, but too bad. If they “do things” to promote terrorism – jail them! If they are teaching their chidren to hate – jail them! If they are abusing their women – jail them! If they want to use force to get me to change my religion – jail them! It’s what we have laws for. The ultimate test of a “good citizen” is whether he is prepared to obey the law, not whether he likes the law or wants it changed. There’s lots of laws in Australia I would like to see changed, but I don’t go around breaking them, I join political movements that seek to have them changed through democratic processes.
Having a policy that tries to keep out migrants is nothing more than “White Australia” all over again. Having a policy that kicks out people because of their ethnic origin, place of birth or religion, is one short step from a Nazi state. That’s not Australia that I love.
Posted by rampisadmukerjee on 2006 09 26 at 06:43 AM • permalink
- The white australia policy targeted ethnicity (ie race), and was therefore racist. Islam is not a race, it is an ideology. There is plenty of precedent for banning people on the basis of beliefs, such as fascism and communism. This is not new. It’s just a different ideology that has been banned.
You might think that this is different because it’s religion, not politics. However, in the past religion always got a free pass in the “freedom of” lists, because you could usually assume that religious beliefs were not political ideologies. Islamism is a blend of religion and politics, so no free pass. It violates the implicit understanding in the “freedom of” lists that religion is harmless.
Plus, follow the news, ramp. Multiculturalism is failing spectacularly in several countries right now, most notably France. And it’s failing where there are large numbers of adherents to a certain separatist, anti-democracy, sexist, violent ideology.Posted by daddy dave on 2006 09 26 at 11:23 AM • permalink
- but that’s moot, anyway. Howard isn’t banning Muslims.Posted by daddy dave on 2006 09 26 at 11:26 AM • permalink
- “Police to brief Muslims before terror raids”
In a related story, Anthony “Tony the Ant” Spilantro will head a panel of Sicilian-American waste management professionals in advising police on organized crime issues. The panel will authorize wiretapping and other information gathering efforts and be given access to confidential informants who provide police with tips.
“It’s important for us to know who police are talking to about our industry,” said Spilantro. “Many times we find these rats…er, informants have a personal grudge or other hidden agenda that could lead police to commit violations of our constitutional rights. We’re just trying to help.”
- daddy dave. Bigotry comes in many forms. Racist South Africa, anti-semitic Germany, the list is endless.
Tom Lehrer had it right :
Oh, the Catholics hate the Protestants
and the Protestants hate the Catholics
and the Hindus hate the Moslims
and everybody hates the Jews.Islam is as much an ideology as Christianity is. It’s too easy to try and classify things and hide your meaning behind words. The essense of what I am trying to say is that people can, and should, believe and think however they like. It’s what they do that matters to you and me. I’m Jewish, and I’ve got no beef against Islam. But when Muslims behave with malice, then I expect the law of my country to act.
Multiculturalism fails (as you say, spectacularly) in countries where the government makes excuses (poor, uneducated, unemployed) instead of upholding the law. It works when you set the benchmark high enough, and then see to it that people don’t get free passes, because you feel “sorry” for them.
Bottom line, for me, is abide by the law, change the law if it’s wrong, but never break it (goes without saying, I’m not talking here about speeding).
Posted by rampisadmukerjee on 2006 09 26 at 03:06 PM • permalink
- I’m sorry, I should have been more specific. I would love to emigrate to Australia if I can bring (and keep) the following…
1. Heckler & Kock 91, semi-auto, 7.62x51mm
2. Norinco Bullpup, semi-auto, 7.62x39mm
3. Colt AR-15, semi-auto, 5.56x45mm
4. Ruger Mini Thirty, semi-auto, 7.62x39mm
5. Inland M1 Carbine, semi-auto, .30 Carbine
6. Ruger Mini 14, semi-auto, 5.56x45mm
7. Norinco SKS, semi-auto, 7.62x39mm
8. Ruger 10/22, semi-auto, .22 Long RifleAll of the above have a detachable 30 round clip and flash suppressor. (except the M1)
I hope this clears things up.Posted by Spectre765 on 2006 09 26 at 08:32 PM • permalink
- Oops. Forgot to include my Bushmaster M17S Bullpup, semi-auto, 5.56x45mm. Sorry.Posted by Spectre765 on 2006 09 26 at 08:35 PM • permalink
- #51 I agree with you on many points. But regarding immigration, Australia is under no obligation to accept anyone. “having a policy that keeps out migrants” is not White Australia, it’s called having an immigration policy. Read up on the White Australia policy, it was outrageously racist in a way that would never happen today.
I would also like to know who is being “kicked out” on the basis of their ethnicity. I’m guessing your talking about rejected asylum seekers? If so, maybe they were kicked out on the basis that the government is cracking down on asylum seekers.Posted by daddy dave on 2006 09 26 at 11:35 PM • permalink
- Spectre765, I’m sad to say, you probably won’t get in with that collection.Posted by daddy dave on 2006 09 26 at 11:55 PM • permalink
- #54 daddydave
Australia now doesn’t have it’s hateful “white Autralia” policy, but it could develop a “non-Muslim policy” if we aren’t careful. That’s what I mean by ethnic – muslim = arab = terrorist. You’re right, the country is under no obligation to accept anyone, but it does have an obligation to see to it that James Smith from pommyland, and Abdul Mustafa from where-ever, get exactly the same scrutiny by exactly the same rules when applying, and once here, they are treated exactly the same way. Too much of the anti-immigrant ranting that goes for discussion, these days, is nothing more than White Australia in different clothes.
Like I said at the beginning of this stream, I migrated a long time ago, at a time when it was hellishly difficult to get in (95%+ applicants were rejected) but now that I’m in, I have the same rights as my good friend James Milson, 7th generation Sydney-sider, and we have the same duty to obey the same law, just as everyone else does. Judge me not by my place of birth, but by my actions.
Posted by rampisadmukerjee on 2006 09 27 at 06:51 AM • permalink
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Like being married, only with no sex.